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What game or mod have you played that's ruined by the community?  @ 2014/05/14 15:06:20


Post by: inferno445


I was just thinking about how many games are ruined by the people that play them, other than league of legends, which most people know has a community that isn't very good. I know sometimes you meet good people, but I'm met by slightly more distasteful people when I play. I'm sure many people have faced this in a game that they really want to enjoy and just can't because of the other people.

My example is the battlegrounds 2 mod for half-life 2. For my story to make sense I'll need to give a background on the mod. It's a revolutionary war mod that actually has long reload times coupled with single shot guns and it's pretty tense and enjoyable. The most fun are the linebattle servers, where people actually line up and follow an admin as they lead the group, ordering when to fire and move and also when to skirmish or go in for the final charge with bayonets. It's really tense when the enemy fires at you from a distance as you reload, since being in a line makes you an easy target, and the feeling of surviving what's usually a 10 man firing line when the guy next to you bit the bullet is awesome.

I played a while ago and decided to pick it up again a few weeks ago. However, to my dismay there are only two servers I can find that are up on a good day and usually just one. I joined one of these line battle servers and started playing. Now I recently moved into an area with time warner cable, and that coupled with the rather low quality servers gave me a high ping. I clicked the mouse button on the fire command like everyone else, but it took a second or two longer due to the lag. This short delay made the admin at the back of the group who watches everyone shout at me, and I quote, "Inferno! What the hell is wrong with you, fire on the command like everyone else!" (He proceeded to slay me in the console almost immediately) He does this to anyone who slips up even a little, as I'd played on the server when I played it more frequently.

This guy and some others really ruin the game with this behavior, as newcomers can't feel welcome at all (probably explains the only one or two servers thing, as well as the small community) and even people who play frequently like I used to are treated like garbage. I didn't even bother trying to explain the ping issue to him as he likely would've kicked me from the server, like those kind of people tend to when I try to reason with them.


What game or mod have you played that's ruined by the community?  @ 2014/05/14 15:19:18


Post by: sarpedons-right-hand


I don't know about ruined per se, but the DOTA 2 community is a little, erm, abrupt on occasion. It's not such a bad thing, but as its very much a team game and working together means getting results, if one or two of the five man team are a little off the boil, it can lead to some one sided games. And let's face it, ain't nobody likes to get spanked when they have played to their very best.
I've been cursed and virtually spat at before during the chat afterwards. But then I wasn't really at my best, and playing as a hard carry means you have to be at your best. So I deserved it on that occasion.


What game or mod have you played that's ruined by the community?  @ 2014/05/14 15:35:55


Post by: mega_bassist


Really, the only game I can think of off-hand was the multiplayer for Red Dead Redemption. What usually happened was that someone who was higher level, with all the weapons unlocked, would hang around spawn areas and just murder all the lower level players. Since I never played the online a lot, that happened to me every time I played.

It was fun, but extremely frustrating, and I eventually stopped trying.


What game or mod have you played that's ruined by the community?  @ 2014/05/14 15:53:19


Post by: liquidjoshi


Guys playing games like they're MilSims.

I have no problem with guys organising themselves as a military-esque unit with a command structure and so on, but when they get super serious about it, that's when you get problems. When people forget its a game.

I've seen this happen with Space Marine. I used to a member of the Dark Angels. These days there's two groups of them, and neither are exactly paragons of virtue. In fact, they're both pretty much entirely made of (not nice people), run by (not nice people) that probably honestly believe they are Space Marines.

The Night Lords, on the other hand...

Edit: In case it wasn't clear, Space Marine. Only a few groups, but God do they make it unbearable. Calling out the Crimson Fists, Dern Angels, xDAx. Yeah, those guys.

The more you know.


What game or mod have you played that's ruined by the community?  @ 2014/05/14 16:00:12


Post by: mega_bassist


 liquidjoshi wrote:
Guys playing games like they're MilSims.

I have no problem with guys organising themselves as a military-esque unit with a command structure and so on, but when they get super serious about it, that's when you get problems. When people forget its a game.

I actually have that issue with airsoft in real life lol.

Bro, you're not in the military, and you're shooting plastic bb's at people. Take it down a notch.


What game or mod have you played that's ruined by the community?  @ 2014/05/14 16:26:52


Post by: Ashiraya


I agree on Space Marines. The game being ruined by the community is not probably out of malice but when one team consists of an organised group of ''''''''''''''''''''pro'''''''''''''''''''' players and the other is just random people who wanted a nice match of Space Marine this evening the game quickly becomes unenjoyable to play.

I have noticed this primarily with 'Grey Knights' and some other group I can't remember the name of.


What game or mod have you played that's ruined by the community?  @ 2014/05/14 16:47:47


Post by: Leigen_Zero


mega_bassist wrote:Really, the only game I can think of off-hand was the multiplayer for Red Dead Redemption. What usually happened was that someone who was higher level, with all the weapons unlocked, would hang around spawn areas and just murder all the lower level players. Since I never played the online a lot, that happened to me every time I played.

It was fun, but extremely frustrating, and I eventually stopped trying.


This is the reason I never bothered to even get a subscription to Legend of Mir.

Basically, it was free to get to level 7, then you needed a subscription to get any higher, you started out with a wooden sword, a few roast chickens and some health potions. but due to PvP, high level players would spawn-camp and level grind on new players

My play experience consisted of:
1. 'Welcome adventurer!' (level 1)
2. *get's insta-PK'ed by some level 40 guy with a sword of badassery*
3. go to 1.


What game or mod have you played that's ruined by the community?  @ 2014/05/14 16:54:50


Post by: Melissia


Off the top of my head (without looking through my massive game library to try to stir up bad memories)...

World of Warcraft (and the 'craft series as a whole)
Combat Arms
Defense of the Ancients
Combat Arms
And also Combat Arms.

Surprisingly, NOT Call of Duty. It may be because I play on the PC, but CoD players tend not to be any worse than shooters in most other games, aside from a slightly higher prevalence for hackers.


What game or mod have you played that's ruined by the community?  @ 2014/05/14 17:08:33


Post by: TheCustomLime


As above, World of Warcraft. Especially if you are a roleplayer.


What game or mod have you played that's ruined by the community?  @ 2014/05/14 17:15:25


Post by: liquidjoshi


 Ashiraya wrote:
I agree on Space Marines. The game being ruined by the community is not probably out of malice but when one team consists of an organised group of ''''''''''''''''''''pro'''''''''''''''''''' players and the other is just random people who wanted a nice match of Space Marine this evening the game quickly becomes unenjoyable to play.

I have noticed this primarily with 'Grey Knights' and some other group I can't remember the name of.


Yeah, being on the receiving end is never fun, it wasn't great for us either. A few randoms against an organised team just don't provide a challenge (not to be patronising, but that's the way the game went down. A coordinated team vs a disparate group... never ends well, doesn't give us a proper challenge either, not until the meltaguns came out. Those matches were never great either :/ )

Bad news is that most of these groups are aiming at going over to Eternal Crusade. So, that'll be.... interesting. If the EC team can keep it balanced it'll be ok. However, I don't see this happening.


What game or mod have you played that's ruined by the community?  @ 2014/05/14 17:17:21


Post by: SkavenLord


 liquidjoshi wrote:
 Ashiraya wrote:
I agree on Space Marines. The game being ruined by the community is not probably out of malice but when one team consists of an organised group of ''''''''''''''''''''pro'''''''''''''''''''' players and the other is just random people who wanted a nice match of Space Marine this evening the game quickly becomes unenjoyable to play.

I have noticed this primarily with 'Grey Knights' and some other group I can't remember the name of.


Yeah, being on the receiving end is never fun, it wasn't great for us either. A few randoms against an organised team just don't provide a challenge (not to be patronising, but that's the way the game went down. A coordinated team vs a disparate group... never ends well, doesn't give us a proper challenge either, not until the meltaguns came out. Those matches were never great either :/ )

Bad news is that most of these groups are aiming at going over to Eternal Crusade. So, that'll be.... interesting. If the EC team can keep it balanced it'll be ok. However, I don't see this happening.


Is there any way to play Space Marine's multiplayer with bots?


What game or mod have you played that's ruined by the community?  @ 2014/05/14 17:18:55


Post by: mega_bassist


You know, I never had an issue with people in Space Marine. But, I also played on PS3. Different crowd, perhaps?


What game or mod have you played that's ruined by the community?  @ 2014/05/14 17:22:45


Post by: liquidjoshi


Completely. They could get their gak together while not being horrendous douchebags to everyone else, or so I hear. Mostly kept to themselves I think.


What game or mod have you played that's ruined by the community?  @ 2014/05/14 17:30:00


Post by: purplefood


 Melissia wrote:
Off the top of my head (without looking through my massive game library to try to stir up bad memories)...

World of Warcraft (and the 'craft series as a whole)
Combat Arms
Defense of the Ancients
Combat Arms
And also Combat Arms.

Surprisingly, NOT Call of Duty. It may be because I play on the PC, but CoD players tend not to be any worse than shooters in most other games, aside from a slightly higher prevalence for hackers.

Last time i played any Call of Duty on a console I was shouted at for not using a sniper rifle on what must have been the smallest map in the game...


What game or mod have you played that's ruined by the community?  @ 2014/05/14 17:52:18


Post by: chaos0xomega


Pretty much any online multiplayer game, only games I didnt have issues with the community were Killzone 3, Bad Company 2, Medal of Honor (2010), and Battlefield 3 all on the PS3. Any other game I touched on PS3, XBOX 360 or PC all had too many annoying children or dickheads to find enjoyable.

Thats not to say that there weren't dickheads or annoying children on the games I listed, just that they were more limited... I think though, to this day, the worst offender for me was Halo 2.


What game or mod have you played that's ruined by the community?  @ 2014/05/14 17:56:33


Post by: Deathklaat


4 letters for you: GTAO. I love GTA so much but online makes me want to reach through the console and choke some people.


What game or mod have you played that's ruined by the community?  @ 2014/05/14 17:59:23


Post by: SkavenLord


I've never had a problem with Mass Effect 3's multiplayer. Everyone seems to work together and though there's the occasional person who would kill steal, that same person would heal you if you were down.


What game or mod have you played that's ruined by the community?  @ 2014/05/14 18:00:28


Post by: Trondheim


Any game that requiers interaction with other people to win, mainly MMO and most RTS games online, one always seems to end up with a horde of slobering oafs for team mates. A great exampel of this is CoH1 & 2, alongside DoW 2 + expansions


What game or mod have you played that's ruined by the community?  @ 2014/05/14 18:06:57


Post by: purplefood


Company of Heroes gets to a hilarious level at times...


What game or mod have you played that's ruined by the community?  @ 2014/05/14 18:11:08


Post by: Trondheim


 purplefood wrote:
Company of Heroes gets to a hilarious level at times...


You dont say.....


What game or mod have you played that's ruined by the community?  @ 2014/05/14 18:15:05


Post by: carlos13th


League of legends has the most toxic community I have ever encountered.



What game or mod have you played that's ruined by the community?  @ 2014/05/14 18:28:25


Post by: Ashiraya


 liquidjoshi wrote:
 Ashiraya wrote:
I agree on Space Marines. The game being ruined by the community is not probably out of malice but when one team consists of an organised group of ''''''''''''''''''''pro'''''''''''''''''''' players and the other is just random people who wanted a nice match of Space Marine this evening the game quickly becomes unenjoyable to play.

I have noticed this primarily with 'Grey Knights' and some other group I can't remember the name of.


Yeah, being on the receiving end is never fun, it wasn't great for us either. A few randoms against an organised team just don't provide a challenge (not to be patronising, but that's the way the game went down. A coordinated team vs a disparate group... never ends well, doesn't give us a proper challenge either, not until the meltaguns came out. Those matches were never great either :/ )

Bad news is that most of these groups are aiming at going over to Eternal Crusade. So, that'll be.... interesting. If the EC team can keep it balanced it'll be ok. However, I don't see this happening.


Vengeance Launchers.


What game or mod have you played that's ruined by the community?  @ 2014/05/14 18:32:07


Post by: liquidjoshi


 Ashiraya wrote:
 liquidjoshi wrote:
 Ashiraya wrote:
I agree on Space Marines. The game being ruined by the community is not probably out of malice but when one team consists of an organised group of ''''''''''''''''''''pro'''''''''''''''''''' players and the other is just random people who wanted a nice match of Space Marine this evening the game quickly becomes unenjoyable to play.

I have noticed this primarily with 'Grey Knights' and some other group I can't remember the name of.


Yeah, being on the receiving end is never fun, it wasn't great for us either. A few randoms against an organised team just don't provide a challenge (not to be patronising, but that's the way the game went down. A coordinated team vs a disparate group... never ends well, doesn't give us a proper challenge either, not until the meltaguns came out. Those matches were never great either :/ )

Bad news is that most of these groups are aiming at going over to Eternal Crusade. So, that'll be.... interesting. If the EC team can keep it balanced it'll be ok. However, I don't see this happening.


Vengeance Launchers.


Yes. I hold a special love for them.


What game or mod have you played that's ruined by the community?  @ 2014/05/14 18:42:05


Post by: Ashiraya


It does get a bit stupid when it is a melta/launcherfest.

Try to shoot them? Nope, Launcher'd.

Try to close in? Nope, melta'd.

It feels like every weapon in that game is either nooby or just bad.

And even then I have seen ASMs wreck face and getting most of their kills with pistols.


What game or mod have you played that's ruined by the community?  @ 2014/05/14 18:50:57


Post by: Sigvatr


League of Legends. Pure utter trash community.


What game or mod have you played that's ruined by the community?  @ 2014/05/14 18:52:50


Post by: liquidjoshi


I have to say, Bolt Pistol headshot kills are some of the most satisfying. But it's a difficult game because of those weapons anyway. When you get whole teams whose strategy is to spam those weapons on Capture points games (seriously, 8 guys with melta/ rapid redeploy on Seize isn't a fun matchup.), then yeah. You get problems.


What game or mod have you played that's ruined by the community?  @ 2014/05/14 19:01:29


Post by: chaos0xomega


So not having played LoL, what is it about the community that makes it so terrible? I know a few people who play the game seemingly religiously and I've not heard ill of it... I've also met a few INSANELY attractive girls that play it as well...


What game or mod have you played that's ruined by the community?  @ 2014/05/14 21:03:08


Post by: Eumerin


chaos0xomega wrote:
So not having played LoL, what is it about the community that makes it so terrible? I know a few people who play the game seemingly religiously and I've not heard ill of it... I've also met a few INSANELY attractive girls that play it as well...


My brothers play it, and have never complained about the community. But they've got their own little group for it, and so don't have to mix as much with the rest of the community. I would imagine that helps quite a bit.


What game or mod have you played that's ruined by the community?  @ 2014/05/14 21:28:30


Post by: purplefood


 Trondheim wrote:
 purplefood wrote:
Company of Heroes gets to a hilarious level at times...


You dont say.....

I do. The arty strikes were even more fun


What game or mod have you played that's ruined by the community?  @ 2014/05/14 22:42:18


Post by: Blacksails


chaos0xomega wrote:
So not having played LoL, what is it about the community that makes it so terrible? I know a few people who play the game seemingly religiously and I've not heard ill of it... I've also met a few INSANELY attractive girls that play it as well...


Well my quick experience was playing a normal online match with a buddy (unranked, or whatever its called) and being new, I was fairly bad. Not like paste-eating bad, but didn't get any of the game specific tactics/strategies.

I was reported for being bad. Never have I ever played a game where I was reported for being bad.

I played World of Tanks fairly seriously for a while, and I've never seen that level of absurdity that you can report someone for not playing well enough.

I never played again, because feth playing a game with people like that.


What game or mod have you played that's ruined by the community?  @ 2014/05/15 06:20:08


Post by: Palindrome


World of Tanks has some absolute cretins (telling people that they deem to be bad to uninstall, go play pokemon etc etc etc). They also love to report people for utterly random things, some idiot recetnly threatened to report me for being a 'bot' when I was half way across the map in a hull down sniping position. Strangely when it was in Beta the community was actually pretty friendly but these days there are an awful lot of man children screaming some gibberish about 'noobs'.

I tend to find that forums dedicated to specific games tend to be very toxic places, the Steam forums for example are filled with bile and stupidity.


What game or mod have you played that's ruined by the community?  @ 2014/05/15 06:32:34


Post by: The Grumpy Eldar


Tera in-game Global chat.
COD community, which slowly ruined most online shooter communities.
League of Legends.
[insert most competitive games here] anything old MLG related ruined the games. COD and LoL easily reaching the top in idiocy and douchebaggery.


What game or mod have you played that's ruined by the community?  @ 2014/05/15 06:37:19


Post by: dementedwombat


I vacillate regularly between the opinion that EVE Online is the best game ever with the worse community ever, or the opposite way around. I think anything you can apply to other game communities apply to it only amplified somewhat. The barrier to entry manages to weed out most of the most obvious immature idiots, but that only means the people left over are more competent at what they decide to do. Some of the nicest people I have ever met online play that game, but on the other hand people who seemingly have a grudge against humanity in that game can get really devious in their plans to make you suffer.


What game or mod have you played that's ruined by the community?  @ 2014/05/15 06:39:53


Post by: Palindrome


 dementedwombat wrote:
I vacillate regularly between the opinion that EVE Online is the best game ever with the worse community ever, or the opposite way around. I think anything you can apply to other game communities apply to it only amplified somewhat. The barrier to entry manages to weed out most of the most obvious immature idiots, but that only means the people left over are more competent at what they decide to do. Some of the nicest people I have ever met online play that game, but on the other hand people who seemingly have a grudge against humanity in that game can get really devious in their plans to make you suffer.


This is a good example. A PvP corp waited 3 years for an alt to log on with his titan so they could kill it (its worth around £1750 in real money). Misanthropes...


What game or mod have you played that's ruined by the community?  @ 2014/05/15 08:08:46


Post by: purplefood


 dementedwombat wrote:
I vacillate regularly between the opinion that EVE Online is the best game ever with the worse community ever, or the opposite way around. I think anything you can apply to other game communities apply to it only amplified somewhat. The barrier to entry manages to weed out most of the most obvious immature idiots, but that only means the people left over are more competent at what they decide to do. Some of the nicest people I have ever met online play that game, but on the other hand people who seemingly have a grudge against humanity in that game can get really devious in their plans to make you suffer.

They are a community of people wherein murder is not only allowed but also profitable.
There are entire spreadsheets of hate that these people dedicate towards destroying their enemies.
They make petty gestures on a grand scale out of sheer spite.
I love those guys.


What game or mod have you played that's ruined by the community?  @ 2014/05/15 10:25:53


Post by: carlos13th


 dementedwombat wrote:
I vacillate regularly between the opinion that EVE Online is the best game ever with the worse community ever, or the opposite way around. I think anything you can apply to other game communities apply to it only amplified somewhat. The barrier to entry manages to weed out most of the most obvious immature idiots, but that only means the people left over are more competent at what they decide to do. Some of the nicest people I have ever met online play that game, but on the other hand people who seemingly have a grudge against humanity in that game can get really devious in their plans to make you suffer.


EVE is a game where everyone feths each other over. I love hearing stories about EVE but could never get into it.


What game or mod have you played that's ruined by the community?  @ 2014/05/15 11:45:47


Post by: Leigen_Zero


 carlos13th wrote:
 dementedwombat wrote:
I vacillate regularly between the opinion that EVE Online is the best game ever with the worse community ever, or the opposite way around. I think anything you can apply to other game communities apply to it only amplified somewhat. The barrier to entry manages to weed out most of the most obvious immature idiots, but that only means the people left over are more competent at what they decide to do. Some of the nicest people I have ever met online play that game, but on the other hand people who seemingly have a grudge against humanity in that game can get really devious in their plans to make you suffer.


EVE is a game where everyone feths each other over. I love hearing stories about EVE but could never get into it.


Yeah, I think EVE is one of those games where it is much more fun to read/watch things about the game, than it is to actually play it.

e.g. that battle recently that was described as the largest PvP conflict in MMO history or whatever. Excellent to read about, watch some clips on, hear the discussions etc.
Thought after reading, 'y'know what, EVE sounds like my kind of game, might give the free trial a go'. So on my lunchbreak I read some 'beginner tutorials', was greeted with the advice
'If you're good with spreadsheets, you'll go far in EVE'
...
Never even signed up for the trial.


What game or mod have you played that's ruined by the community?  @ 2014/05/15 11:53:08


Post by: purplefood


I'm interested in EVE Online from a logistics point of view.
I'd love to have a look at some of the organisational stuff some people have behind it all.


What game or mod have you played that's ruined by the community?  @ 2014/05/15 12:16:41


Post by: Daba


Dota 2 is an obvious one.

But the other is Stellar Impact, a game that somehow managed to have an even worse community than Dota 2 yet was a more niche, independent game.


What game or mod have you played that's ruined by the community?  @ 2014/05/15 12:58:49


Post by: purplefood


Stellar Impact huh?
Might explain why the servers are empty...


What game or mod have you played that's ruined by the community?  @ 2014/05/15 15:15:25


Post by: Overlord Thraka


I play League of Legends a lot. I find that the idiots who scream at you for being bad are few and far between. They exist but they don't pop up often for me. I've had people laugh at me for doing poorly, but never scream at me for doing badly.

I yelled at a couple of people doing things like leaving their lanes and going to the wrong lanes for their champion.

So example. IN basic League there are 3 lanes. Certain champion work better in certain lanes. Melee Tanky Champs work better on top. Mages work best in mid and Marksmen and certain Mages work best on bot.

Now In the example game we had a Zed (a Assassin champ that's best mid) go top. Not listening to the person who had already claimed top lane and pretty much forcing them to go mid. He was doing badly and so was the mid laner being the wrong champ for mid. It took the entire team yelling at him to get him to go mid so that we had a chance of winning. And whattya know? Once they swapped back to the proper lanes we started winning.

You might get reported for doing something like that.


What game or mod have you played that's ruined by the community?  @ 2014/05/15 16:16:49


Post by: Ratius


Bad experiences with Conan online, might just have been the server but woah was it full of angry, petty teens. Didnt help you could derobe the females down to their bare chests I suppose.....


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Bad experiences with Conan online, might just have been the server but woah was it full of angry, petty teens. Didnt help you could derobe the females down to their bare chests I suppose.....


What game or mod have you played that's ruined by the community?  @ 2014/05/15 16:51:33


Post by: Palindrome


I never had any issues with Conan but I haven't played it for about 3 years. MMOs in general tend to have quite immature communities, including EvE, but its usually fairly easy to avoid them.


What game or mod have you played that's ruined by the community?  @ 2014/05/15 23:38:44


Post by: ZebioLizard2


Eve online.

DOTA 2 has one of the most toxic communities out of all the MOBA's I've played, some of those people are far worse then league, smite, or anything else combined.


What game or mod have you played that's ruined by the community?  @ 2014/05/16 14:16:27


Post by: Spyder68


Every online game is tainted with donkey-caves.

The only way it can ruin the game is if you let it.


For example.

Out of the 5 years i played wow, and as bad of a rep that game can get.. I found a worse community the 3 months i played Guild Wars 2.


League of legends can be a bit worse then most at times though.


What game or mod have you played that's ruined by the community?  @ 2014/05/16 16:15:33


Post by: purplefood


I've only heard bad things about LoL but what i've heard is much worse than what i've seen in Dota 2...


What game or mod have you played that's ruined by the community?  @ 2014/05/17 01:14:25


Post by: inferno445


Lol is pretty bad because when one person is angry with someone else, it slowly corrupts the entire team into arguing with each other.

I have to agree with whoever it was that said combat arms too. In that community people brag over their hacks, not how good they are.

As for EVE, I tried that game for the free trial and got bored of it. For you to earn the PLEX you need to continue playing for free, it becomes SPREADSHEETS IN SPACE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Seriously, it's looking at fething charts to do most stuff. I've also heard that russian eve players cut eachother's internet connection to win big battles, and I don't want risk that starting in the US too.


What game or mod have you played that's ruined by the community?  @ 2014/05/17 18:03:25


Post by: Locclo


 Blacksails wrote:
chaos0xomega wrote:
So not having played LoL, what is it about the community that makes it so terrible? I know a few people who play the game seemingly religiously and I've not heard ill of it... I've also met a few INSANELY attractive girls that play it as well...


Well my quick experience was playing a normal online match with a buddy (unranked, or whatever its called) and being new, I was fairly bad. Not like paste-eating bad, but didn't get any of the game specific tactics/strategies.

I was reported for being bad. Never have I ever played a game where I was reported for being bad.

I played World of Tanks fairly seriously for a while, and I've never seen that level of absurdity that you can report someone for not playing well enough.

I never played again, because feth playing a game with people like that.


Pretty much hit the nail on the head with that one. I tried to get into it a few times (again, not knowing any real strategies - my main one was not knowing when to back off from an attack), and after three games in a row ended with people on my team quitting after calling me a feeder, I decided that LoL was not for me.


What game or mod have you played that's ruined by the community?  @ 2014/05/18 15:20:20


Post by: CthuluIsSpy


 purplefood wrote:
I've only heard bad things about LoL but what i've heard is much worse than what i've seen in Dota 2...


LoL is ok. There are some donkey-caves there, but I've personally found the community to be reasonable. No worse than Dota 2 or any other MP game, really.
There is a report system that allows you to deal with muppets at least.

I've experienced much more hostility from the original Dota in WC3, tbh.


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 Locclo wrote:
 Blacksails wrote:
chaos0xomega wrote:
So not having played LoL, what is it about the community that makes it so terrible? I know a few people who play the game seemingly religiously and I've not heard ill of it... I've also met a few INSANELY attractive girls that play it as well...


Well my quick experience was playing a normal online match with a buddy (unranked, or whatever its called) and being new, I was fairly bad. Not like paste-eating bad, but didn't get any of the game specific tactics/strategies.

I was reported for being bad. Never have I ever played a game where I was reported for being bad.

I played World of Tanks fairly seriously for a while, and I've never seen that level of absurdity that you can report someone for not playing well enough.

I never played again, because feth playing a game with people like that.


Pretty much hit the nail on the head with that one. I tried to get into it a few times (again, not knowing any real strategies - my main one was not knowing when to back off from an attack), and after three games in a row ended with people on my team quitting after calling me a feeder, I decided that LoL was not for me.


Ugh, yeah that happened to me.
Kept dying since it was my first time playing Vel'Koz (freaky squid mage), and some bloke called me a feeder and reported me.
So I reported him back for being an donkey-cave. Still haven't heard from the Tribunal, so I guess everything's fine.

What's ironic about your case is that Leaving in itself is an offence


What game or mod have you played that's ruined by the community?  @ 2014/05/18 15:34:21


Post by: Senden


Towards the end of its life, the now defunct Metal Gear Online

It's biggest problem was that the optimal playstyle was nothing like the game was intended to be. Instead of carefully considered stealth or co-ordinated teamwork (which was heavily supported but the interface) you wound up with twitchy fingered duck-shoot-duck (or rather Cardboard Box-Shoot-Cardboard Box) players or two groups of campers picking off anyone who stuck their head out. Added to that the maps were two small to have more than 3 or so avenues of approach, making stealth useless



That and all the bloody lagswitches


What game or mod have you played that's ruined by the community?  @ 2014/05/18 20:18:39


Post by: Palindrome


I'm going to add counter strike to the list. I haven;t played in years so I fired it up this evening. In the very first life on the first server the admin killed me using an admin command and on the second life he kicked me, apparently for 'camping'.

Power hungry admins are something that I love to despise.


What game or mod have you played that's ruined by the community?  @ 2014/05/19 11:26:50


Post by: Doctadeth


War Thunder and Runescape

War thunder, I got reported 4 or 5 times by a guys squadron for *Stealing his kill* He then proceeded to gun my plane down, and then rammed my third plane, costing our team the match (The other team was behind in tickets). Cue that experience every second match now thanks to the squadron system and I decided to leave. A pity, because I liked war thunder.

Runescape
Got into it since it came out, had a hiatus from it and came back just before it went 3d. The community are mostly gakkers, people will try and hack you EVERY chance they get, and the cool bosses are now ruined by people trying to get you to it to kill you.



What game or mod have you played that's ruined by the community?  @ 2014/05/19 15:16:47


Post by: Melissia


 Palindrome wrote:
Power hungry admins are something that I love to despise.
Yeah, Counterstrike was awful in that regard. Still better than Combat Arms though.

In Combat Arms it wouldn't be an admin doing it. You'd be votekicked for it. Also for using a shotgun, or a rocket launcher, or... anything that wasn't a sniper rifle or assault rifle. Or for getting a high score without being popular enough or without being in a well known clan.

Once got votekicked for using a female name. The game itself was okay, but goddamn the userbase sucked ass...


What game or mod have you played that's ruined by the community?  @ 2014/05/19 18:43:02


Post by: BrookM


Gears of War pretty much turned me away from any sort of multiplayer for quite a few years. My god could those twelve year olds swear like sailors.


What game or mod have you played that's ruined by the community?  @ 2014/05/19 19:02:12


Post by: CthuluIsSpy


 Melissia wrote:
 Palindrome wrote:
Power hungry admins are something that I love to despise.
Yeah, Counterstrike was awful in that regard. Still better than Combat Arms though.

In Combat Arms it wouldn't be an admin doing it. You'd be votekicked for it. Also for using a shotgun, or a rocket launcher, or... anything that wasn't a sniper rifle or assault rifle. Or for getting a high score without being popular enough or without being in a well known clan.

Once got votekicked for using a female name. The game itself was okay, but goddamn the userbase sucked ass...



Wait what? Well, that's a new one.
Never heard of that sort of idiocy


What game or mod have you played that's ruined by the community?  @ 2014/05/19 19:07:28


Post by: Slarg232


 BrookM wrote:
Gears of War pretty much turned me away from any sort of multiplayer for quite a few years. My god could those twelve year olds swear like sailors.


It wasn't so much the swearing that turned me off of the Gears universe, it was how much EVERYONE hated tactics in those games.

The first game, if you weren't using the shotgun or the sniper rifle, you were a noob, no matter how high you were on the scoreboard. That notion seemed to transmit to the other games....


What game or mod have you played that's ruined by the community?  @ 2014/05/19 19:53:01


Post by: Sigvatr


 CthuluIsSpy wrote:



Wait what? Well, that's a new one.
Never heard of that sort of idiocy


My wife plays Call of Duty (nobody's perfect ). She can't play with voicechat outside of her clan.


What game or mod have you played that's ruined by the community?  @ 2014/05/19 19:56:24


Post by: purplefood


 Sigvatr wrote:
 CthuluIsSpy wrote:



Wait what? Well, that's a new one.
Never heard of that sort of idiocy


My wife plays Call of Duty (nobody's perfect ). She can't play with voicechat outside of her clan.

I can understand that...
I had a friend who played that game so much. Utter tool used to talk so much gak in lobbies.
Still a bellend actually


What game or mod have you played that's ruined by the community?  @ 2014/05/20 04:24:59


Post by: SickSix


Halo 2 multilayer. The 12 year Olds screaming and cursing was awful.


What game or mod have you played that's ruined by the community?  @ 2014/05/20 04:28:31


Post by: EmilCrane


 purplefood wrote:
 Sigvatr wrote:
 CthuluIsSpy wrote:



Wait what? Well, that's a new one.
Never heard of that sort of idiocy


My wife plays Call of Duty (nobody's perfect ). She can't play with voicechat outside of her clan.

I can understand that...
I had a friend who played that game so much. Utter tool used to talk so much gak in lobbies.
Still a bellend actually


Call of Duty on PC is like a whole different game. Without aim assist there is less "quick scoping" and whatever else d-bags on youtube claim to be experts at and people tend to be civilized mature players. Some of the annoying stuff still exists though.

Admittedly I haven't payed CoD online since MW2 though, so things may have changed.


What game or mod have you played that's ruined by the community?  @ 2014/05/21 12:18:14


Post by: Shadow Captain Edithae


 Melissia wrote:


Once got votekicked for using a female name. The game itself was okay, but goddamn the userbase sucked ass...


Wow, that takes a special kind of stupid.

I've received abuse and mockery when playing female characters online from players who thought I was female. Its...bizarre.


What game or mod have you played that's ruined by the community?  @ 2014/05/21 12:34:00


Post by: chaos0xomega


Eve-online is probably the only community I *can* tolerate, I've only ever met cool people playing that game, but it helps that I roll with some of the more powerful nullsec corps/alliances I suppose... we're just donkey caves to everyone else


What game or mod have you played that's ruined by the community?  @ 2014/05/22 15:19:37


Post by: Overlord Thraka


Well I just got yelled in Team Fortress 2 for dying a couple times. That was fun... I'm glad I mostly play with friends though


What game or mod have you played that's ruined by the community?  @ 2014/05/22 15:40:55


Post by: streamdragon


 SkavenLord wrote:
 liquidjoshi wrote:
 Ashiraya wrote:
I agree on Space Marines. The game being ruined by the community is not probably out of malice but when one team consists of an organised group of ''''''''''''''''''''pro'''''''''''''''''''' players and the other is just random people who wanted a nice match of Space Marine this evening the game quickly becomes unenjoyable to play.

I have noticed this primarily with 'Grey Knights' and some other group I can't remember the name of.


Yeah, being on the receiving end is never fun, it wasn't great for us either. A few randoms against an organised team just don't provide a challenge (not to be patronising, but that's the way the game went down. A coordinated team vs a disparate group... never ends well, doesn't give us a proper challenge either, not until the meltaguns came out. Those matches were never great either :/ )

Bad news is that most of these groups are aiming at going over to Eternal Crusade. So, that'll be.... interesting. If the EC team can keep it balanced it'll be ok. However, I don't see this happening.


Is there any way to play Space Marine's multiplayer with bots?


Yes! And no.

Space Marine has a 4 player vs waves of Orks mode called Exterminatus that I find fun to play. It doesn't really scale to the number of players though, so it tends to be easier with 4 people than with 2, for instance, despite the shared life pool.


What game or mod have you played that's ruined by the community?  @ 2014/05/23 12:00:19


Post by: inferno445


I recently bought space marine and I'm having a good time with its multiplayer mode even though I die a lot. I don't use voice chat so that might be helping quite a bit. I've only tried Exterminatus solo, and that unsurprisingly didn't go very well.


What game or mod have you played that's ruined by the community?  @ 2014/05/23 14:48:24


Post by: Shadow Captain Edithae


inferno445 wrote:
I recently bought space marine and I'm having a good time with its multiplayer mode even though I die a lot. I don't use voice chat so that might be helping quite a bit. I've only tried Exterminatus solo, and that unsurprisingly didn't go very well.


Exterminatus is a lot of fun with a full team of 4 players using a variety of classes.

Devestators armed with Heavy Bolters mowing down hordes of Orks charging across a bridge, with Assault Marines wielding Thunder Hammers dropping from the skies to crush entire mobs...

The game definitely deserves a sequel.


What game or mod have you played that's ruined by the community?  @ 2014/05/23 15:00:07


Post by: Raz'kull Skull Krusha


If I am honest, If I was not such a massive myself it would of been World of Warcraft looking back, but it always appeared like a smooth and calm ride since I was a too.

Best game would of been Eve, so much fun... So much Adrenaline....


What game or mod have you played that's ruined by the community?  @ 2014/05/23 15:00:13


Post by: liquidjoshi


Yeah, Exterminatus is pretty sweet. Just stay clear of the clans on there. Especially any Dark Angels. There's two groups of them going about, and they're both as bad as each other.


What game or mod have you played that's ruined by the community?  @ 2014/05/23 20:07:38


Post by: Kain


 TheCustomLime wrote:
As above, World of Warcraft. Especially if you are a roleplayer.

The memories of the hermaphrodite furry characters having cybersex with the first thing that moves are coming back to me.

*Shudder*


What game or mod have you played that's ruined by the community?  @ 2014/05/23 20:21:07


Post by: Avatar 720


 Kain wrote:
 TheCustomLime wrote:
As above, World of Warcraft. Especially if you are a roleplayer.

The memories of the hermaphrodite furry characters having cybersex with the first thing that moves are coming back to me.

*Shudder*


I glanced his way, and that was my first mistake. Everything about him, from his hair to his toes, sent my senses into overdrive. It wasn't his fault that he was sat so provocatively, but then it wasn't my fault that I just had to have him. A memory from earlier that night told me his name was Kain, and that his voice to my ears was akin to sipping the finest nectar of the Gods. It made my fur, amongst other things, stand on end every time he parted his supple lips to speak, and I could tell from the looks I was getting from the people around me that I was purring something fierce. It took all my strength to force myself to stand up, and a whole lot more would be needed before I could even think of approaching him. I subconsciously twirled my tail around a finger, and nibbled my lip as a thousand potential things to say rushed through my mind like the winds of Dun Morogh. I watched him put his tankard to his lips and empty the contents, and I knew I was running out of time. Sighing, I adjusted my top to better show off my assets, and made sure my downstairs area was arranged, before slipping over to the bar on silent, padded feet. With a firm paw, I grabbed his shoulder as he decided his last drink had called the night to an end, and gently pushed him back down into his seat. He tensed a little, but didn't complain as I brushed a lock of hair away from his ear and whispered through lips that ached to taste his skin, "Tell me, stranger, what's your poison?"


What game or mod have you played that's ruined by the community?  @ 2014/05/24 00:19:23


Post by: Kain


 Avatar 720 wrote:
 Kain wrote:
 TheCustomLime wrote:
As above, World of Warcraft. Especially if you are a roleplayer.

The memories of the hermaphrodite furry characters having cybersex with the first thing that moves are coming back to me.

*Shudder*


I glanced his way, and that was my first mistake. Everything about him, from his hair to his toes, sent my senses into overdrive. It wasn't his fault that he was sat so provocatively, but then it wasn't my fault that I just had to have him. A memory from earlier that night told me his name was Kain, and that his voice to my ears was akin to sipping the finest nectar of the Gods. It made my fur, amongst other things, stand on end every time he parted his supple lips to speak, and I could tell from the looks I was getting from the people around me that I was purring something fierce. It took all my strength to force myself to stand up, and a whole lot more would be needed before I could even think of approaching him. I subconsciously twirled my tail around a finger, and nibbled my lip as a thousand potential things to say rushed through my mind like the winds of Dun Morogh. I watched him put his tankard to his lips and empty the contents, and I knew I was running out of time. Sighing, I adjusted my top to better show off my assets, and made sure my downstairs area was arranged, before slipping over to the bar on silent, padded feet. With a firm paw, I grabbed his shoulder as he decided his last drink had called the night to an end, and gently pushed him back down into his seat. He tensed a little, but didn't complain as I brushed a lock of hair away from his ear and whispered through lips that ached to taste his skin, "Tell me, stranger, what's your poison?"


ohgodwhat.

10/10


What game or mod have you played that's ruined by the community?  @ 2014/05/24 00:32:20


Post by: purplefood


Avatar has a great talent in the artifices of slash writing and other such things.


What game or mod have you played that's ruined by the community?  @ 2014/05/24 00:37:14


Post by: liquidjoshi


... My eyes.


What game or mod have you played that's ruined by the community?  @ 2014/05/24 00:52:52


Post by: MrDwhitey


I'm leaking.


What game or mod have you played that's ruined by the community?  @ 2014/05/24 00:53:53


Post by: Shadow Captain Edithae


 Avatar 720 wrote:
 Kain wrote:
 TheCustomLime wrote:
As above, World of Warcraft. Especially if you are a roleplayer.

The memories of the hermaphrodite furry characters having cybersex with the first thing that moves are coming back to me.

*Shudder*


I glanced his way, and that was my first mistake. Everything about him, from his hair to his toes, sent my senses into overdrive. It wasn't his fault that he was sat so provocatively, but then it wasn't my fault that I just had to have him. A memory from earlier that night told me his name was Kain, and that his voice to my ears was akin to sipping the finest nectar of the Gods. It made my fur, amongst other things, stand on end every time he parted his supple lips to speak, and I could tell from the looks I was getting from the people around me that I was purring something fierce. It took all my strength to force myself to stand up, and a whole lot more would be needed before I could even think of approaching him. I subconsciously twirled my tail around a finger, and nibbled my lip as a thousand potential things to say rushed through my mind like the winds of Dun Morogh. I watched him put his tankard to his lips and empty the contents, and I knew I was running out of time. Sighing, I adjusted my top to better show off my assets, and made sure my downstairs area was arranged, before slipping over to the bar on silent, padded feet. With a firm paw, I grabbed his shoulder as he decided his last drink had called the night to an end, and gently pushed him back down into his seat. He tensed a little, but didn't complain as I brushed a lock of hair away from his ear and whispered through lips that ached to taste his skin, "Tell me, stranger, what's your poison?"


I guess Dakka Dakka can now be classified as a fetish site. Do we have a sub forum for this sort of ...ahem. Fan Fiction?



What game or mod have you played that's ruined by the community?  @ 2014/05/24 01:30:54


Post by: liquidjoshi


I always assumed that was the DCM forum


What game or mod have you played that's ruined by the community?  @ 2014/05/24 01:41:42


Post by: Ashiraya


Glorious.


What game or mod have you played that's ruined by the community?  @ 2014/05/24 02:05:26


Post by: purplefood


 liquidjoshi wrote:
I always assumed that was the DCM forum

Ummm
Yeah kinda true i guess...


What game or mod have you played that's ruined by the community?  @ 2014/05/24 03:37:35


Post by: TheCustomLime


Mon dieu, Avatar, that wasn't bad at all. Still creepy tho.


What game or mod have you played that's ruined by the community?  @ 2014/05/24 03:40:57


Post by: purplefood


Try talking to him...


What game or mod have you played that's ruined by the community?  @ 2014/05/24 03:46:10


Post by: TheCustomLime


Does he have it hard for you too, Purplefood?


What game or mod have you played that's ruined by the community?  @ 2014/05/24 03:52:27


Post by: purplefood


I don't think he's ever written anything about me...
Though he wouldn't tell me if he had...


What game or mod have you played that's ruined by the community?  @ 2014/05/24 04:37:48


Post by: Avatar 720


I saw the opportunity to exploit Kain's memories, and went for it; I never pass up a chance to scar someone for life!

Anyway, what was this thread about, again?


What game or mod have you played that's ruined by the community?  @ 2014/05/24 07:45:39


Post by: Trondheim


 Avatar 720 wrote:
 Kain wrote:
 TheCustomLime wrote:
As above, World of Warcraft. Especially if you are a roleplayer.

The memories of the hermaphrodite furry characters having cybersex with the first thing that moves are coming back to me.

*Shudder*


I glanced his way, and that was my first mistake. Everything about him, from his hair to his toes, sent my senses into overdrive. It wasn't his fault that he was sat so provocatively, but then it wasn't my fault that I just had to have him. A memory from earlier that night told me his name was Kain, and that his voice to my ears was akin to sipping the finest nectar of the Gods. It made my fur, amongst other things, stand on end every time he parted his supple lips to speak, and I could tell from the looks I was getting from the people around me that I was purring something fierce. It took all my strength to force myself to stand up, and a whole lot more would be needed before I could even think of approaching him. I subconsciously twirled my tail around a finger, and nibbled my lip as a thousand potential things to say rushed through my mind like the winds of Dun Morogh. I watched him put his tankard to his lips and empty the contents, and I knew I was running out of time. Sighing, I adjusted my top to better show off my assets, and made sure my downstairs area was arranged, before slipping over to the bar on silent, padded feet. With a firm paw, I grabbed his shoulder as he decided his last drink had called the night to an end, and gently pushed him back down into his seat. He tensed a little, but didn't complain as I brushed a lock of hair away from his ear and whispered through lips that ached to taste his skin, "Tell me, stranger, what's your poison?"


Ahhhhh it burns! It burns! Now I feel the need to wash my eyes with bleach


What game or mod have you played that's ruined by the community?  @ 2014/05/24 08:52:05


Post by: Doctadeth


Day Z. I love the scavenging mechanic, I love the way the zombies and maps are different. I don't even mind the bleedouts.

But the community are just.....


What game or mod have you played that's ruined by the community?  @ 2014/05/24 12:19:20


Post by: Pacific


 Palindrome wrote:
I'm going to add counter strike to the list. I haven;t played in years so I fired it up this evening. In the very first life on the first server the admin killed me using an admin command and on the second life he kicked me, apparently for 'camping'.

Power hungry admins are something that I love to despise.


The best was Ultima Online, in its earlier days - remember someone giving a mod lip and taunting him (they were actually present in the game as characters) and the mod fired a spell that killed him instantly, and I heard of another case where someone got teleported onto the peak of a mountain that had no paths leading to it so no way of exiting.

A friend of mine was 'macroing' (which apparently was forbidden - you would get skill increments from repeating the same action, so you could leave a macro going moving you around and hiding for instance while you were at work) - when he came back he had been moved into a room with no doors and a message on the wall 'think of your mistakes' or something similar - the game was full of that kind of stuff


What game or mod have you played that's ruined by the community?  @ 2014/05/26 11:37:46


Post by: CthuluIsSpy


 Avatar 720 wrote:
 Kain wrote:
 TheCustomLime wrote:
As above, World of Warcraft. Especially if you are a roleplayer.

The memories of the hermaphrodite furry characters having cybersex with the first thing that moves are coming back to me.

*Shudder*


I glanced his way, and that was my first mistake. Everything about him, from his hair to his toes, sent my senses into overdrive. It wasn't his fault that he was sat so provocatively, but then it wasn't my fault that I just had to have him. A memory from earlier that night told me his name was Kain, and that his voice to my ears was akin to sipping the finest nectar of the Gods. It made my fur, amongst other things, stand on end every time he parted his supple lips to speak, and I could tell from the looks I was getting from the people around me that I was purring something fierce. It took all my strength to force myself to stand up, and a whole lot more would be needed before I could even think of approaching him. I subconsciously twirled my tail around a finger, and nibbled my lip as a thousand potential things to say rushed through my mind like the winds of Dun Morogh. I watched him put his tankard to his lips and empty the contents, and I knew I was running out of time. Sighing, I adjusted my top to better show off my assets, and made sure my downstairs area was arranged, before slipping over to the bar on silent, padded feet. With a firm paw, I grabbed his shoulder as he decided his last drink had called the night to an end, and gently pushed him back down into his seat. He tensed a little, but didn't complain as I brushed a lock of hair away from his ear and whispered through lips that ached to taste his skin, "Tell me, stranger, what's your poison?"


I don't get it.
Was that supposed to be shocking?



What game or mod have you played that's ruined by the community?  @ 2014/05/27 08:09:12


Post by: trexmeyer


Personally, I think Elder Scrolls games are actually made worse by the community that seems intent on producing an ever increasing amount of misogynistic and hyper sexual mods. Admittedly, I'm a prude outside of the bedroom, but for Skyrim it seems like the only quality mods out there are basically pseudo pornographic with the exception of the Morrowind port. Morrowind had really great mods, especially some very impressive and well developed landmasses that rivaled the original game at least visually. Oblivion mods focused more on character beautification and Skyrim has just gone completely off the deep end.


What game or mod have you played that's ruined by the community?  @ 2014/05/27 11:11:12


Post by: Blacksails


 trexmeyer wrote:
Personally, I think Elder Scrolls games are actually made worse by the community that seems intent on producing an ever increasing amount of misogynistic and hyper sexual mods. Admittedly, I'm a prude outside of the bedroom, but for Skyrim it seems like the only quality mods out there are basically pseudo pornographic with the exception of the Morrowind port. Morrowind had really great mods, especially some very impressive and well developed landmasses that rivaled the original game at least visually. Oblivion mods focused more on character beautification and Skyrim has just gone completely off the deep end.


I agree with you that there are a lot of...special...mods out there for Skyrim, but you can filter than on the NMM site. Once you've done that, there is a nearly endless goldmine of amazing mods, ranging from simple weapon additions, to entire overhauls or new realms (see Falskaar). Seriously, my Skyrim enjoyment improved by a degree of magnitude when I discovered modding.


What game or mod have you played that's ruined by the community?  @ 2014/05/27 14:42:56


Post by: Asherian Command


Halo, Call of Duty, Every FPS ever


Automatically Appended Next Post:
 Doctadeth wrote:
Day Z. I love the scavenging mechanic, I love the way the zombies and maps are different. I don't even mind the bleedouts.

But the community are just.....


They kill everything. Everyone is paranoid of everyone else.


What game or mod have you played that's ruined by the community?  @ 2014/05/28 12:04:26


Post by: inferno445


 Blacksails wrote:
 trexmeyer wrote:
Personally, I think Elder Scrolls games are actually made worse by the community that seems intent on producing an ever increasing amount of misogynistic and hyper sexual mods. Admittedly, I'm a prude outside of the bedroom, but for Skyrim it seems like the only quality mods out there are basically pseudo pornographic with the exception of the Morrowind port. Morrowind had really great mods, especially some very impressive and well developed landmasses that rivaled the original game at least visually. Oblivion mods focused more on character beautification and Skyrim has just gone completely off the deep end.


I agree with you that there are a lot of...special...mods out there for Skyrim, but you can filter than on the NMM site. Once you've done that, there is a nearly endless goldmine of amazing mods, ranging from simple weapon additions, to entire overhauls or new realms (see Falskaar). Seriously, my Skyrim enjoyment improved by a degree of magnitude when I discovered modding.


There are some really good mods out there and the sexual ones are just a small portion of the mods. Even just on the steam workshop I've downloaded enough content to make my game feel unique. I wouldn't say the community is necessarily terrible. It's just the matter of some modders making some rather sexual mods and a lot of people using them. Hopefully Elder Scrolls VI (not online) will keep mods in.


What game or mod have you played that's ruined by the community?  @ 2014/05/28 17:17:09


Post by: Bromsy


 trexmeyer wrote:
Personally, I think Elder Scrolls games are actually made worse by the community that seems intent on producing an ever increasing amount of misogynistic and hyper sexual mods. Admittedly, I'm a prude outside of the bedroom, but for Skyrim it seems like the only quality mods out there are basically pseudo pornographic with the exception of the Morrowind port. Morrowind had really great mods, especially some very impressive and well developed landmasses that rivaled the original game at least visually. Oblivion mods focused more on character beautification and Skyrim has just gone completely off the deep end.


Strong disagree. I have roughly 100 mods that I use on a given playthrough, and none of them are 'pseudo pornographic'. Use Steam if you can't be bothered to sort them out yourself, but saying that the modding community made Skyrim worse overall because some of it made bewbs is ridiculous.


What game or mod have you played that's ruined by the community?  @ 2014/05/28 19:25:48


Post by: Palindrome


 Asherian Command wrote:

They kill everything. Everyone is paranoid of everyone else.


The sad thing is that the community started out being very friendly and helpful; bandits existed of course but you could be fairly confident that people that you met wouldn't shoot you in the face and bandits themselves put a lot more effort in. As it became poplar it became more and more of a deathmatch to the extent that its now far safer to find friendly players outside of the game itself. Its a real shame.


What game or mod have you played that's ruined by the community?  @ 2014/05/28 22:06:59


Post by: Melissia


There's a similar problem in Space Station 13, though at the very least that's sort of the point of the game.


What game or mod have you played that's ruined by the community?  @ 2014/05/28 22:12:58


Post by: purplefood


Space Station 13 is fun to watch and sometimes play but the number of times you get fethed on that is amazing.


What game or mod have you played that's ruined by the community?  @ 2014/05/29 03:09:36


Post by: SkavenLord


 Palindrome wrote:
 Asherian Command wrote:

They kill everything. Everyone is paranoid of everyone else.


The sad thing is that the community started out being very friendly and helpful; bandits existed of course but you could be fairly confident that people that you met wouldn't shoot you in the face and bandits themselves put a lot more effort in. As it became poplar it became more and more of a deathmatch to the extent that its now far safer to find friendly players outside of the game itself. Its a real shame.


To be fair, (and I've never played it so I may be wrong) doesn't it give a new sense of immersion and tension in that you can't trust anyone else?


What game or mod have you played that's ruined by the community?  @ 2014/05/29 03:44:26


Post by: Melissia


If I wanted that, I'd go play SS13, which does it better in every way imaginable, while STILL being more pleasant and varied to play.

And this is in spite of me playing /TG/Station (Or NTStation, as it's apparently known now).


What game or mod have you played that's ruined by the community?  @ 2014/05/29 15:20:31


Post by: Palindrome


 SkavenLord wrote:

To be fair, (and I've never played it so I may be wrong) doesn't it give a new sense of immersion and tension in that you can't trust anyone else?


You never really could trust anyone, for instance I was in a largeish group of random people I met in a server. we were systematically scavenging villages which was going fine until we were ambushed by a group of bandits who had a mole in our group all the time feeding them intel over TS. The issue now though is that people nearly always shoot on sight which means that situations like I described just don't happen.


What game or mod have you played that's ruined by the community?  @ 2014/06/04 02:05:31


Post by: trexmeyer


 Bromsy wrote:
 trexmeyer wrote:
Personally, I think Elder Scrolls games are actually made worse by the community that seems intent on producing an ever increasing amount of misogynistic and hyper sexual mods. Admittedly, I'm a prude outside of the bedroom, but for Skyrim it seems like the only quality mods out there are basically pseudo pornographic with the exception of the Morrowind port. Morrowind had really great mods, especially some very impressive and well developed landmasses that rivaled the original game at least visually. Oblivion mods focused more on character beautification and Skyrim has just gone completely off the deep end.


Strong disagree. I have roughly 100 mods that I use on a given playthrough, and none of them are 'pseudo pornographic'. Use Steam if you can't be bothered to sort them out yourself, but saying that the modding community made Skyrim worse overall because some of it made bewbs is ridiculous.


I've been involved with the community since the days of Morrowind and the level of innovation has dropped dramatically over the last decade. The community used to police itself, but has gone completely out of control. It's not even worth the trouble to peruse mod sites because of the sheer amount of juvenile garbage you have to crawl through in order to find a lone gem.


What game or mod have you played that's ruined by the community?  @ 2014/06/04 02:11:19


Post by: Shadow Captain Edithae


 trexmeyer wrote:
 Bromsy wrote:
 trexmeyer wrote:
Personally, I think Elder Scrolls games are actually made worse by the community that seems intent on producing an ever increasing amount of misogynistic and hyper sexual mods. Admittedly, I'm a prude outside of the bedroom, but for Skyrim it seems like the only quality mods out there are basically pseudo pornographic with the exception of the Morrowind port. Morrowind had really great mods, especially some very impressive and well developed landmasses that rivaled the original game at least visually. Oblivion mods focused more on character beautification and Skyrim has just gone completely off the deep end.


Strong disagree. I have roughly 100 mods that I use on a given playthrough, and none of them are 'pseudo pornographic'. Use Steam if you can't be bothered to sort them out yourself, but saying that the modding community made Skyrim worse overall because some of it made bewbs is ridiculous.


I've been involved with the community since the days of Morrowind and the level of innovation has dropped dramatically over the last decade. The community used to police itself, but has gone completely out of control. It's not even worth the trouble to peruse mod sites because of the sheer amount of juvenile garbage you have to crawl through in order to find a lone gem.


So watch Game Spot's Top Skyrim Mods of the Week.

https://www.youtube.com/show/top5skyrimmodsoftheweek


What game or mod have you played that's ruined by the community?  @ 2014/06/04 05:26:31


Post by: Blacksails


 trexmeyer wrote:


I've been involved with the community since the days of Morrowind and the level of innovation has dropped dramatically over the last decade. The community used to police itself, but has gone completely out of control. It's not even worth the trouble to peruse mod sites because of the sheer amount of juvenile garbage you have to crawl through in order to find a lone gem.


There's a filter on NMM that ignores all the weird stuff.

I wasn't into modding back during Morrowind (peasant box player at the time), but I think you're being hyperbolic claiming the level of innovation has dropped off dramatically.

There are plenty of amazing mods for Skyrim, ranging from the visual to the gameplay, to the entire overhauls and new land addtions, and down to the simple inclusion of a single weapon or stat tweak.

The existence of some questionable mods doesn't rule out the rest of the community, especially given how easy it is to ignore mods like that.


What game or mod have you played that's ruined by the community?  @ 2014/06/04 05:45:05


Post by: Melissia


Yeah, the filter is on by default. You have to actively turn it off.


What game or mod have you played that's ruined by the community?  @ 2014/06/04 13:54:01


Post by: ZebioLizard2


 Melissia wrote:
If I wanted that, I'd go play SS13, which does it better in every way imaginable, while STILL being more pleasant and varied to play.

And this is in spite of me playing /TG/Station (Or NTStation, as it's apparently known now).


Still better then the goonstations.


What game or mod have you played that's ruined by the community?  @ 2014/06/04 14:04:47


Post by: Stuebi


As a WoW-Roleplayer, all the non-RP'ers occupying the servers, standing around in their glowing armor on the biggest dragon, spamming the chat. Everyone that does not plan on Roleplaying, or at least acting upon the most basic of rules on the servers, should NOT choose a RP-Server. I despise people like that, and I remember the day I hit the Ignore-List Limit (Back when there still was one) on my server like it was yesterday.

DOta 2 is another good example, mainly because it made me play it with voice chat muted, biased against russian players and basically trained me to hammer the ignore button the moment someone utters something I find even mildly inaccurate or mean.

Last but not least, the majority of the Dark Souls PvP Community. On one hand a screaming Zoo of monkeys demanding that EVERYONE has to be forced into PvP, so they can grief even those who dont want to get involved with it at all, and on the other hand demand everyone adheres to some kind of slowed "honor code". So you invade MY game, try to reset MY progress and then you expect that I play nice, fair and even climb up your butt half way? Go feth yourself, buddy. It's either pulling the cable, or summoning 2 other Lads to beat you back into your basement.


What game or mod have you played that's ruined by the community?  @ 2014/06/05 07:17:08


Post by: Pacific


Stuebi wrote:
As a WoW-Roleplayer, all the non-RP'ers occupying the servers, standing around in their glowing armor on the biggest dragon, spamming the chat. Everyone that does not plan on Roleplaying, or at least acting upon the most basic of rules on the servers, should NOT choose a RP-Server. I despise people like that, and I remember the day I hit the Ignore-List Limit (Back when there still was one) on my server like it was yesterday.


The issue of non-roleplayers on the RP servers existed since the first RP servers were made.

Most tend to keep quiet - they just preferred the less childish comments and players on the RP servers, but some it seems actively interfere to be scurrilous and join the RP server for that purpose.

Wonderful RP memories from WoW though, at one time it was a great game for it.



What game or mod have you played that's ruined by the community?  @ 2014/06/05 14:36:36


Post by: Hulksmash


 Pacific wrote:
Stuebi wrote:
As a WoW-Roleplayer, all the non-RP'ers occupying the servers, standing around in their glowing armor on the biggest dragon, spamming the chat. Everyone that does not plan on Roleplaying, or at least acting upon the most basic of rules on the servers, should NOT choose a RP-Server. I despise people like that, and I remember the day I hit the Ignore-List Limit (Back when there still was one) on my server like it was yesterday.


The issue of non-roleplayers on the RP servers existed since the first RP servers were made.

Most tend to keep quiet - they just preferred the less childish comments and players on the RP servers, but some it seems actively interfere to be scurrilous and join the RP server for that purpose.

Wonderful RP memories from WoW though, at one time it was a great game for it.



Agreed. I wasn't a huge roleplayer but I loved the RP servers because they weren't so.....childish? I would roleplay in group and such and really enjoyed that back in the day. Pretty much gave up on RP in WoW though during BC.

Still remember fleeing the elven lands in shame and making the long swim from Menethil to Stormwind after helping a Satyr (or whatever he was)


What game or mod have you played that's ruined by the community?  @ 2014/06/08 16:33:13


Post by: Squigsquasher


TF2's community is pretty awful. The community falls into 2 categories: people who have no idea what they're doing and don't care about anything beyond messing around, and the "1337 pro" types who rant on about how MY TEAM ARE ALL IDIOTS because they're not running the exact same build as him, witter on for ages about weapon/class tier lists and how anyone who plays Heavy is an idiot and how everyone should play Sniper and so on...

In fact, I could crop my answer down to the "Pro/hardcore" gaming scene as a whole. Because computer games are serious business!


What game or mod have you played that's ruined by the community?  @ 2014/06/08 16:38:38


Post by: Melissia


Competitive players tend to be like that. I prefer to hang around casual gaming clans in TF2, actually joined one for a while before I got pissed off at Valve for being scumbags regarding some customer support thing.


What game or mod have you played that's ruined by the community?  @ 2014/06/16 14:13:41


Post by: CthuluIsSpy


So, LoL...well, you know how I said that the community isn't bad?
Well...that was before I had a look at the official forums...
It isn't pretty. It's a jungle over there.


What game or mod have you played that's ruined by the community?  @ 2014/06/16 15:09:52


Post by: Co'tor Shas


That's the reason it doesn't have built in voice chat . The community has a reputation for being 'interesting'.


What game or mod have you played that's ruined by the community?  @ 2014/06/17 10:46:49


Post by: thebarnet


GTA online I still play it as I have friends who play and it's fun But what Put me off it was the fact My female Char got chased around the map By a bunch of the other players During this time I was getting messages into my Xbox live Inbox like
"hey baby your hot"
"will you go out with me" and such. I should properly clarify I am man.
There was one good thing that came out this the guys I was playing with found It funny as did I


What game or mod have you played that's ruined by the community?  @ 2014/06/23 06:03:34


Post by: remilia_scarlet


The crystal greatsword and washing pole mods in dark souls made it miserable.


What game or mod have you played that's ruined by the community?  @ 2014/06/23 15:53:55


Post by: Evertras


thebarnet wrote:
GTA online I still play it as I have friends who play and it's fun But what Put me off it was the fact My female Char got chased around the map By a bunch of the other players During this time I was getting messages into my Xbox live Inbox like
"hey baby your hot"
"will you go out with me" and such. I should properly clarify I am man.
There was one good thing that came out this the guys I was playing with found It funny as did I


When I played WoW, I had a female hunter. I joined a small guild and we all got very friendly. It was good times. Then one day we got voice chat. I have a very deep radio voice. It went something like this.

<joins>
Guy - "Hey!"
Girl - "Who just joined?"
Me - "Hey"
Girl - "Who.... the feth... is that?"
Me - "Uhhhhh... Tanisa?"
Girl - "OH MY GOD I THOUGHT YOU WERE A GIRL HOLY gak"

Still makes me laugh remembering it. I was "Tanisa the Truck Driver" for a bit.

(edit)

Also, League of Legends. I will not touch that game ever again because of the community. I have never had a disgust for humanity so much through a video game as that experience.


What game or mod have you played that's ruined by the community?  @ 2014/06/24 17:25:31


Post by: remilia_scarlet


 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
So, LoL...well, you know how I said that the community isn't bad?
Well...that was before I had a look at the official forums...
It isn't pretty. It's a jungle over there.


LoL's online community is really, really gakky. too many people there are obsessed with esports and think they're pros, and it makes playing really annoying.


What game or mod have you played that's ruined by the community?  @ 2014/06/28 17:20:03


Post by: SkavenLord


 remilia_scarlet wrote:
 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
So, LoL...well, you know how I said that the community isn't bad?
Well...that was before I had a look at the official forums...
It isn't pretty. It's a jungle over there.


LoL's online community is really, really gakky. too many people there are obsessed with esports and think they're pros, and it makes playing really annoying.


Eh, I usually just watch this sort of thing from the sidelines whenever it happens. Best enjoyed with popcorn.
That's how I usually manage with this sort of thing.


What game or mod have you played that's ruined by the community?  @ 2014/06/30 18:11:36


Post by: Overlord Thraka


 SkavenLord wrote:
 remilia_scarlet wrote:
 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
So, LoL...well, you know how I said that the community isn't bad?
Well...that was before I had a look at the official forums...
It isn't pretty. It's a jungle over there.


LoL's online community is really, really ****ty. too many people there are obsessed with esports and think they're pros, and it makes playing really annoying.


Eh, I usually just watch this sort of thing from the sidelines whenever it happens. Best enjoyed with popcorn.
That's how I usually manage with this sort of thing.


I'm still low level in League so I haven't encountered the worst yet, (Your outside of game level unlocks certain things. Once you hit level 30 you cap out and play with all the other level 30s.) I've had 1 or 2 Gitz on my team but mostly it's just for fun.

Playing with friends also helps alot.

As for TF2, again, play with friends and on bot servers.


What game or mod have you played that's ruined by the community?  @ 2014/06/30 21:36:48


Post by: SkavenLord


I haven't played TF2 with bots very much, but from what I have played, they do certainly offer a decent challenge.

(Except when your whole team gets stuck in a teleporter because Scout decided to not move. Long story.)


What game or mod have you played that's ruined by the community?  @ 2014/06/30 21:49:44


Post by: Trondheim


 Evertras wrote:
thebarnet wrote:


<joins>
Guy - "Hey!"
Girl - "Who just joined?"
Me - "Hey"
Girl - "Who.... the feth... is that?"
Me - "Uhhhhh... Tanisa?"
Girl - "OH MY GOD I THOUGHT YOU WERE A GIRL HOLY gak"

Still makes me laugh remembering it. I was "Tanisa the Truck Driver" for a bit.

(edit)

Also, League of Legends. I will not touch that game ever again because of the community. I have never had a disgust for humanity so much through a video game as that experience.


LOL I would have paied to overhear that


What game or mod have you played that's ruined by the community?  @ 2014/06/30 22:02:46


Post by: Jimsolo


Lol, every online game ever!

In all seriousness though, World of Warcraft, no joke. Playing that game made my sympathize with comic-book villains that wanted to exterminate humanity.


What game or mod have you played that's ruined by the community?  @ 2014/06/30 23:17:33


Post by: Ashiraya


 Jimsolo wrote:
Lol, every online game ever!

In all seriousness though, World of Warcraft, no joke. Playing that game made my sympathize with comic-book villains that wanted to exterminate humanity.


You should look at Argent Dawn. I love the community, but really, some people take the roleplay very seriously.


What game or mod have you played that's ruined by the community?  @ 2014/06/30 23:18:03


Post by: Trondheim


 Jimsolo wrote:
Lol, every online game ever!

In all seriousness though, World of Warcraft, no joke. Playing that game made my sympathize with comic-book villains that wanted to exterminate humanity.


Aye I still can recall all the rage that was aimed at me when I, during a raid happend to ask what I thougth a harmless question, that and the fiends that take joy in rubbing everyones noses in how much "better" they are at said game


What game or mod have you played that's ruined by the community?  @ 2014/06/30 23:31:20


Post by: Avatar 720


What annoys me most about WoW at the moment is how pointless the vote-kick option is in dungeons. Usually the people you want to kick can't be kicked again for another <insert time it'd take to finish the dungeon here> minutes, and if you leave to get away from them then you're penalised by not being able to requeue.

For example, in an HC Scholo run I had a few days ago we had a Monk who queued as a healer, but was a DPS, a shadow priest who refused to act as stand-in healer, and another DPS who left and was replaced by a Shaman with 15mins of res sickness left. The Monk and Shaman couldn't be kicked for another 10mins, the dungeon wasn't about to be completed any time soon, and I left and was hit with a "You can't queue for another 6 minutes" for both dungeons and scenarios. -.-

It's crap like that that really gets me.


What game or mod have you played that's ruined by the community?  @ 2014/07/01 02:40:56


Post by: Ashiraya


 Avatar 720 wrote:
What annoys me most about WoW at the moment is how pointless the vote-kick option is in dungeons. Usually the people you want to kick can't be kicked again for another <insert time it'd take to finish the dungeon here> minutes, and if you leave to get away from them then you're penalised by not being able to requeue.

For example, in an HC Scholo run I had a few days ago we had a Monk who queued as a healer, but was a DPS, a shadow priest who refused to act as stand-in healer, and another DPS who left and was replaced by a Shaman with 15mins of res sickness left. The Monk and Shaman couldn't be kicked for another 10mins, the dungeon wasn't about to be completed any time soon, and I left and was hit with a "You can't queue for another 6 minutes" for both dungeons and scenarios. -.-

It's crap like that that really gets me.


To be fair, with the items available currently, heroic dungeons are absurdly easy to solo, for any class.


What game or mod have you played that's ruined by the community?  @ 2014/07/01 12:17:20


Post by: Leigen_Zero


 Squigsquasher wrote:
TF2's community is pretty awful. The community falls into 2 categories: people who have no idea what they're doing and don't care about anything beyond messing around, and the "1337 pro" types who rant on about how MY TEAM ARE ALL IDIOTS because they're not running the exact same build as him, witter on for ages about weapon/class tier lists and how anyone who plays Heavy is an idiot and how everyone should play Sniper and so on...

In fact, I could crop my answer down to the "Pro/hardcore" gaming scene as a whole. Because computer games are serious business!


When I briefly played TF2, I found that I started in category 1, and found it incredibly difficult to move beyond that because everyone else was either also in category 1, or in category 2, and thus refused to help me beyond 'lol you suck n00b!!1!!!!11!!1one!'


What game or mod have you played that's ruined by the community?  @ 2014/07/01 16:32:24


Post by: Avatar 720


 Ashiraya wrote:
 Avatar 720 wrote:
What annoys me most about WoW at the moment is how pointless the vote-kick option is in dungeons. Usually the people you want to kick can't be kicked again for another <insert time it'd take to finish the dungeon here> minutes, and if you leave to get away from them then you're penalised by not being able to requeue.

For example, in an HC Scholo run I had a few days ago we had a Monk who queued as a healer, but was a DPS, a shadow priest who refused to act as stand-in healer, and another DPS who left and was replaced by a Shaman with 15mins of res sickness left. The Monk and Shaman couldn't be kicked for another 10mins, the dungeon wasn't about to be completed any time soon, and I left and was hit with a "You can't queue for another 6 minutes" for both dungeons and scenarios. -.-

It's crap like that that really gets me.


To be fair, with the items available currently, heroic dungeons are absurdly easy to solo, for any class.


Available =/= everyone has them. There are times where you get that HC SoO-geared DPS that boosts an entire party through a couple of HCs in a few minutes, but more often than not you still need a party to actually be capable of some sort of cohesion. All my gear is base timeless isle stuff at least, with about 4 timeless pieces, 2-3 raid finders, and a crafted belt, but even as a Frost DK I can't come close to carrying entire groups on my own, and most people in the groups I get are similarly geared. I wish I could just log in and ask a GM for the best raid gear available, but unfortunately I can't.


What game or mod have you played that's ruined by the community?  @ 2014/07/01 16:42:35


Post by: Big Mek Dattrukk


Killing Floor.

only game I've ever played where you can be kicked, and be told it was because you suck, when your kill count is more than triple the next highest player.

Also the only game I have played recently where in order to prevent trolling, servers have had to install a mod to make the players pass through each other between rounds.


What game or mod have you played that's ruined by the community?  @ 2014/07/01 16:56:21


Post by: Palindrome


Big Mek Dattrukk wrote:
Killing Floor.

only game I've ever played where you can be kicked, and be told it was because you suck, when your kill count is more than triple the next highest player.

Also the only game I have played recently where in order to prevent trolling, servers have had to install a mod to make the players pass through each other between rounds.


I've never had an issues in Killing floor, nor TF2 for that matter.


What game or mod have you played that's ruined by the community?  @ 2014/07/03 04:34:23


Post by: Ashiraya


 Avatar 720 wrote:
 Ashiraya wrote:
 Avatar 720 wrote:
What annoys me most about WoW at the moment is how pointless the vote-kick option is in dungeons. Usually the people you want to kick can't be kicked again for another <insert time it'd take to finish the dungeon here> minutes, and if you leave to get away from them then you're penalised by not being able to requeue.

For example, in an HC Scholo run I had a few days ago we had a Monk who queued as a healer, but was a DPS, a shadow priest who refused to act as stand-in healer, and another DPS who left and was replaced by a Shaman with 15mins of res sickness left. The Monk and Shaman couldn't be kicked for another 10mins, the dungeon wasn't about to be completed any time soon, and I left and was hit with a "You can't queue for another 6 minutes" for both dungeons and scenarios. -.-

It's crap like that that really gets me.


To be fair, with the items available currently, heroic dungeons are absurdly easy to solo, for any class.


Available =/= everyone has them. There are times where you get that HC SoO-geared DPS that boosts an entire party through a couple of HCs in a few minutes, but more often than not you still need a party to actually be capable of some sort of cohesion. All my gear is base timeless isle stuff at least, with about 4 timeless pieces, 2-3 raid finders, and a crafted belt, but even as a Frost DK I can't come close to carrying entire groups on my own, and most people in the groups I get are similarly geared. I wish I could just log in and ask a GM for the best raid gear available, but unfortunately I can't.


Fair enough. Still, honestly, Raid Finder exists. The 528 gear from there (Which can be upgraded to 544) is super-strong compared to Timeless Isle gear. Assuming you get 540, you are now one hundred item levels above the requirement, which makes... A lot of difference.

Grind your brain to destruction in Raid Finder and your problems will go away.

I had the fortune of still being in a raid team in early 5.4, granting me a fair few Normal items before I took a break. So I am sitting at item level 567 now, or well over 300K dps on Garrosh flex.


What game or mod have you played that's ruined by the community?  @ 2014/07/03 04:44:21


Post by: Vash108


League of Legends, it just got too toxic.


What game or mod have you played that's ruined by the community?  @ 2014/07/03 05:23:26


Post by: Avatar 720


 Ashiraya wrote:
 Avatar 720 wrote:
 Ashiraya wrote:
 Avatar 720 wrote:
What annoys me most about WoW at the moment is how pointless the vote-kick option is in dungeons. Usually the people you want to kick can't be kicked again for another <insert time it'd take to finish the dungeon here> minutes, and if you leave to get away from them then you're penalised by not being able to requeue.

For example, in an HC Scholo run I had a few days ago we had a Monk who queued as a healer, but was a DPS, a shadow priest who refused to act as stand-in healer, and another DPS who left and was replaced by a Shaman with 15mins of res sickness left. The Monk and Shaman couldn't be kicked for another 10mins, the dungeon wasn't about to be completed any time soon, and I left and was hit with a "You can't queue for another 6 minutes" for both dungeons and scenarios. -.-

It's crap like that that really gets me.


To be fair, with the items available currently, heroic dungeons are absurdly easy to solo, for any class.


Available =/= everyone has them. There are times where you get that HC SoO-geared DPS that boosts an entire party through a couple of HCs in a few minutes, but more often than not you still need a party to actually be capable of some sort of cohesion. All my gear is base timeless isle stuff at least, with about 4 timeless pieces, 2-3 raid finders, and a crafted belt, but even as a Frost DK I can't come close to carrying entire groups on my own, and most people in the groups I get are similarly geared. I wish I could just log in and ask a GM for the best raid gear available, but unfortunately I can't.


Fair enough. Still, honestly, Raid Finder exists. The 528 gear from there (Which can be upgraded to 544) is super-strong compared to Timeless Isle gear. Assuming you get 540, you are now one hundred item levels above the requirement, which makes... A lot of difference.

Grind your brain to destruction in Raid Finder and your problems will go away.

I had the fortune of still being in a raid team in early 5.4, granting me a fair few Normal items before I took a break. So I am sitting at item level 567 now, or well over 300K dps on Garrosh flex.


Ugh, don't mention RF. >.< If the raid isn't mind-numbingly stupid then it's full of control-freaks and people who treat everything as if they're going for a Heroic Garrosh run. I'd sooner dip my bollocks in oil and deep fry them. Again.