Via Grot Orderly

I've heard via the rumour mill that it runs to £220. Considering the Codices would stack up to £275 I am adding some salt.


http://grotorderly.blogspot.co.uk/2014/06/white-dwarf-19-wycieki-leaks.html

that whole site is filled with rumored goodies and stats for the cannons @.@ delicious !!!

I already own five of those books why would I need to buy them again?

smh

GW...you just keep on keeping on...

When all Codex's are updated to 7th Edition I might about it.

It'll be interesting to see how this sells (if it indeed exists). There are many people who are interested in reading the background and/or rules for each faction (myself included) and if there's a reduced price, then all the more reason to buy it. However, the vast majority of people will own one, if not several, codices already, which makes it rather worse value for money...

 nettraper wrote:
that whole site is filled with rumored goodies and stats for the cannons @.@ delicious !!!

Already being discussed in depth in the Ork rumour thread here.

no Ork codex in there ...

That was my first thought too.

 The Shadow wrote:
It'll be interesting to see how this sells (if it indeed exists). There are many people who are interested in reading the background and/or rules for each faction (myself included) and if there's a reduced price, then all the more reason to buy it. However, the vast majority of people will own one, if not several, codices already, which makes it rather worse value for money...

Well GW does thrive on new blood, so it may be a reasonable sell to the parents with more money than sense brigade who buy the huge one click collections

(interesting to see the Rules in there without the background and modelling books too)

I would actually be interested in buying something like that but in mini form. I.e. A mini rulebook ala DV and a set of mini summary codecies for all armies.

It would be most useful.

Dare I say it; a TO/Tournament Players compendium!

Would have to do something about the price a bit though.

If Privateer Press can update 8 factions to a new edition in one year, GW better sure as hell be able to do the same.

But after seeing the rip off that was the 7e books, with a useless picture book and fluff that everyone already had, I doubt they'll bother to update these books.

Presumably there is no Ork codex in there because they are all the older codexes with the 7th edition errata in them?

The style of the binding sure makes them look like a new printing.

jamesk1973 wrote:
I already own five of those books why would I need to buy them again?

smh

GW...you just keep on keeping on...

Cool man. Not everyone does.

And I wouldn't put too much salt with the discount; most of their bundles for the past 4-5 months have been discounted pretty nicely off their normal MSRP.

 Squidbot wrote:
Via Grot Orderly

I've heard via the rumour mill that it runs to £220. Considering the Codices would stack up to £275 I am adding some salt.


http://grotorderly.blogspot.co.uk/2014/06/white-dwarf-19-wycieki-leaks.html

It is 220 pounds

No Orks, DE, GK, BA, SW in there

Oh go to hell with that box*. That's like one of those useless boxed set that gathers together a few seasons of a television show but not all of them. And there will be a new edition before they finish off the remaining books, so what is the purpose of this?






*Not directed at the person above me, Mann.

Did people expect all of the books? It's the "primary" army books in hardcover.

Don't know why anyone would buy it, but whatever.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Oh go to hell with that box. That's like one of those useless boxed set that gathers together a few seasons of a television show but not all of them. And there will be a new edition before they finish off the remaining books, so what is the purpose of this?

To make some money quick

They look like the A5 format books.

It would have been a great idea last edition when these books were still current.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Did people expect all of the books? It's the "primary" army books in hardcover.

Don't know why anyone would buy it, but whatever.

Orks and DE arnt primary?

The Canadian price tag makes me queezy. Its like they don't want me to buy things from local Canadian retailers and get it across the border for a 15% discount plus what ever 3rd party retailer discount on top of that. I hope that free trade with the EU sees the savings on duties passed on to Canadians because this is getting out of hand.

 Billagio wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Did people expect all of the books? It's the "primary" army books in hardcover.

Don't know why anyone would buy it, but whatever.

Orks and DE arnt primary?

Did you miss the "in hardcover" bit?

Orks, Dark Eldar, Space Wolves, and Blood Angels all are softcover books.

 insaniak wrote:
They look like the A5 format books.

It would have been a great idea last edition when these books were still current.

If these have the updated errata information, then the package has some value (for those who don't like digital books and have money to spare), especially if they are also a smaller A5 size.

 yakface wrote:

 insaniak wrote:
They look like the A5 format books.

It would have been a great idea last edition when these books were still current.

If these have the updated errata information, then the package has some value (for those who don't like digital books and have money to spare), especially if they are also a smaller A5 size.

If they are A5, that price is waaaaay off.

 loki old fart wrote:
To make some money quick

Ah. Yes. The short-term buck. Almost forgot that that's what GW does.

If those are small scale books it might be worth pooling some cash and splitting with friends. If you can’t find someone locally who wants something, e-bay the spares.

Well, looks like I'll be saving money again. I never bought any of the other "special" release books and was always amazed watching people who did. Guess I'll just have to be amazed some more.

Have to say - I'm kinda confused at the point of this.

Most people don't buy every Codex. Even with a significant discount I doubt they would be tempted.

The people who do buy every Codex probably will regardless of price. So why give them a discount? (and presumably - they already own all these books).

It's nice they're giving a discount on something - I'm just not sure who they're targeting.

I thought it was obvious they were targeting newer players who didn't have all the rules yet and were trying to tempt them into buying a big box set of them (all of which are now outdated since 7th just dropped, except "The Rules" I assume).

Problem is that even with a discount the rules are too fething expensive, nearly $400 just for a few books.

Maybe they saw the big box FW put out for their Horus Heresy stuff and thought "We can do that!", of course failing to realise that the HH books are successful because they're actually, y'know, good.

I would have bought this...

I have bought codices electronically so far and I could have done with a beautiful paper version but:

- this is not a collection, the orks, Dark angels, and so many more means that I can't even sit down and look at this as a collection.
- this is already heavily FAQ/errata'd, so grabbing an electronic version will provide more accurate information
- some of these books are probably going to become obsolete by the time I actually read them.

I have gladly bought box sets of comics collector because 30 years later they are actually making my kids' day opening them and reading them... this ? in 2 years time it's just pictures in a book and nostalgia.

I do hope these are A5 sized. That means that there is a chance somewhere down the road that they may release the rules separately and that's probably the only way I'll pick up the 7th edition rules.

Good god they Don't know what they are doing. With the HH collection it made sense (same basic army) but this?! It's useless unless you own the armies in question

 Bronzefists42 wrote:
Good god they Don't know what they are doing. With the HH collection it made sense (same basic army) but this?! It's useless unless you own the armies in question

If it's cheaper it will be split meaning cheaper books?

It's all my fault. If I were to get back into 40k, I'd be one of the people buying that box.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Maybe they saw the big box FW put out for their Horus Heresy stuff and thought "We can do that!", of course failing to realise that the HH books are successful because they're actually, y'know, good.

Do you have a link for this product? I'm looking but can't even find a picture of it.

 Billagio wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Did people expect all of the books? It's the "primary" army books in hardcover.

Don't know why anyone would buy it, but whatever.

Orks and DE arnt primary?

And Necrons...

 Billagio wrote:
No Orks, DE, GK, BA, SW in there

Or AS, Inquisition or Legion of the Damned.

I was one of those people who bought every codex (and every army book.... ) until these hardcovers killed that for me. I liked having all the books, but I'm a fan, not an idiot (or that well off). If GW would sell codexes at a reasonable (read that as 'around the same price as every other fething company in the world') I would still do it. I like looking at the fluff, and seeing what other people's armies can do, and tracking the changes over time.

10 Codexes for $375 is actually approaching what I would consider a reasonable price (I would aim for $30 per book, myself), but it's a LOT of money to spend all at once. Also, a nice kick in the pants for everyone who actually spent money on their army book at $50 (Hey, look, we can afford to sell these for less! You are stupid!).

I just wish that GW would realize that:

1) the revenue from selling a few items at a high margin could also be achieved by selling MORE STUFF at a lower margin

2) even if you make money on a high margin item, if you drive enough people out of your shops with high prices, your fan base will evaporate if you lose critical mass.

 Squidbot wrote:
Via Grot Orderly

I've heard via the rumour mill that it runs to £220. Considering the Codices would stack up to £275 I am adding some salt.


http://grotorderly.blogspot.co.uk/2014/06/white-dwarf-19-wycieki-leaks.html

Price 900 Dollars

Is it possible they make changes to the Codexes to bring them in line with 7th and streamline them with upcoming 7th ed books?

rollawaythestone wrote:
Is it possible they make changes to the Codexes to bring them in line with 7th and streamline them with upcoming 7th ed books?

I wouldn't count on it, that would require the use of logic on GW's part. This looks like a simple repackaging job, even possibly going with smaller books (A5 - is that going to be readable without reflowing the books?)

And they included Imperial Knights instead of Necrons?

Da Butcha wrote:
I was one of those people who bought every codex (and every army book.... ) until these hardcovers killed that for me. I liked having all the books, but I'm a fan, not an idiot (or that well off). If GW would sell codexes at a reasonable (read that as 'around the same price as every other fething company in the world') I would still do it. I like looking at the fluff, and seeing what other people's armies can do, and tracking the changes over time.

10 Codexes for $375 is actually approaching what I would consider a reasonable price (I would aim for $30 per book, myself), but it's a LOT of money to spend all at once. Also, a nice kick in the pants for everyone who actually spent money on their army book at $50 (Hey, look, we can afford to sell these for less! You are stupid!).

I just wish that GW would realize that:

1) the revenue from selling a few items at a high margin could also be achieved by selling MORE STUFF at a lower margin

2) even if you make money on a high margin item, if you drive enough people out of your shops with high prices, your fan base will evaporate if you lose critical mass.

+1
Before GW codex prices became totally outrageous, I too would buy many of the army books for WHFB. The four I needed for my armies, of course, but a few others as well, either ones that my opponents played or that interested me. With this hardcover nonsense and prices at $60 US, that's gone by the wayside. Just what I need, and no more. In fact, I'm looking at alternate rules sets both for 40K and WHFB as the cost of staying current has tripped my pain threshold.

No one from GW put a gun to my head and forced me to buy into Necrons two years ago. GW can set their prices at whatever they like, and if people buy, that was the customer's choice. Doesn't mean I'll continue to spend money on GW products though.

 Stormonu wrote:
(A5 - is that going to be readable without reflowing the books?)

It's worked fine for the least three rulebooks.

And they included Imperial Knights instead of Necrons?

It's just a collection of all of the 6th Ed codexes... So yes, it includes Knights instead of Necrons.

 insaniak wrote:
It's worked fine for the least three rulebooks.

For some of us. I find reading them extremely difficult.

I don't know what you're all complaining about:
- It's a discount on buying all the books separarately
- They look to be rebound in a smaller format, making them possibly more desirable for gaming
- As above, includes a mini version of the rules
- Potentially these may have Errata included in the text... though I wouldn't necessarily hold out for that.

It follows good business practice of attempting to get money up front for purchases (time value of money and all that), gives a discount and is a new product.

Unfortunately I can see it running at $800 or so In Australia, which means I won't be buying. That doesn't stop it frombeing a good product - just too expensive for me.

If they've halfed the size of the books (A4->A5) that's great, I'd love an A5 rulebook for IG. But it doesn't look like there's been a suitable reduction in price?

I'd want to be paying no more than 60% of the big book price for a mini book, before any bundle deals.

 Asherian Command wrote:

 Squidbot wrote:
Via Grot Orderly

I've heard via the rumour mill that it runs to £220. Considering the Codices would stack up to £275 I am adding some salt.


http://grotorderly.blogspot.co.uk/2014/06/white-dwarf-19-wycieki-leaks.html

Price 900 Dollars

$375, but thanks for playing.

Actually, I really like the idea. If they are full codices, $400AUD for 9 codices + rule book is something I'd normally be down with (compared to the ~$900 to buy them separately.

I used to collect codices when they were reasonably priced, when they got stupid with colour pages and hard backs I stopped because it just got silly.

I'm not saying I WILL buy them, I already own a couple of those codices anyway and I dislike 7th edition rules so I'm not overly enthused... but it's definitely something that interests me.

For a club or gaming store, it's a good deal.If the only way to get these is in this box, it marks them as different, and not normal for anyone to own.
If one goes missing from the box, it's easy to see who walked off with it.

Apart from the cost....

When this gets announced, and if they've been confirmed as updated, I'll pitch in to get my armies' books.

$37.50 a book, most likely not fixed and just copies of the original copies.

I would consider it if they posted on the site that they are updated versions

Yeah, you would think they would mention on the site if these had the 7th edition errata corrections, so the fact that they don't makes it seem pretty likely they are not indeed updated, which is really sad.

Ordinarily I'd love something like this for a hobby I'm invested in. As expected, GW does it in a half-assed manner, probably with the intention of re-releasing a full edition later. Then changing the format no doubt next edition so you can't slot new books into the case.

So, $400 in Australia. I'm surprised. And if I had the spare cash, would actually be tempted, since I only have a couple of the 6th edition books (bought off Ebay) due to the exorbitant hardcover pricing down here.

I'm surprised that they didn't delay this a few weeks so they could include the Ork codex or at least leave a space for it, seems a bit short sighted.

They are not even discounting the Dark Vengeance boxed set with the wrong rulebook so dicscount may be a bit hoepful...........

Is it just that I'm desensitised to the prices or does $400 Aus for that collection seem VERY reasonable?

As for readability of the rulebook in A5 size, I bought the munitorum box (sucker for bling) and the A5 rulebook in that is quite readable with my 51 year old eyes. So long as I'm wearing my reading glasses of course...

The stupid thing about this is that GW can produce the codexes in a smaller, more manageable size, and at a more manageable price. So why the hell don't they sell them individually?

At around the £20 mark, I'd be happy to buy new codexes; at £30 I've just kept the last ones and 'filled in the gaps' with the information I need. The only one I've bought is the SM one, as it's the template for DA and presumably BA as well, it's worth more to me and saves me buying those two.

The upshot is, over the course of the last couple of years, and what we can assume the rest of this year, GW would have sold me IG, DA, BA and maybe SW and GK, so £100 of books. Selling them at £30, they sell me £0 worth of product. So, GW, see the maths here?

No, because they assume everyone buys literally every product they release regardless of price, or even what army or system it belongs to. If it's new and GW you have to have it and you'll buy it.

The only thing they understand is "If they buy it at £20 they'll buy it at £30." And £40. And £50. Etc.

 Sidstyler wrote:
No, because they assume everyone buys literally every product they release regardless of price, or even what army or system it belongs to. If it's new and GW you have to have it and you'll buy it.

The only thing they understand is "If they buy it at £20 they'll buy it at £30." And £40. And £50. Etc.

Truer words have never been spoken.

Exactly, hence the complaints.

Some of us won't pay £120 for the rules and the codexes for two armies we own because it is too much money. Why would we want to pay £220 for the rules and a bunch of other codexes we don't want? It isn't even all of the codexes, which might have been worth considering if you are a keen player who wants to know about all the possible opposing armies even if you don't own them yourself.

The concept is that "collectors" buy GW stuff, so they will buy this because GW have published it. There isn't any idea that it ought to be useful or good value for money.

I wouldn't be surprised if this ended up like the Limited Edition rules, failing conspicuously to sell out.

What might save it is if clubs and groups of friends bought the sets to split up and redistribute, but that is all extra hassle and barriers in the way of consumers buying your product.

Like I bought the Dark Vengeance to get the 6th edition rules, then sold off the Chaos models to bring the cost down, but actually I would have preferred just to be able to buy a small format rulebook at a lower price. By the time GW came out with the £30 small format hardback rules, which was a product I would have liked, I already had the softback rules so I didn't need them.

I don't even play 40K but I gotta admit thats a real nice looking collection, might even be worth picking up just for the fluff and art, depending on final price of course.

 Rolt wrote:
I don't even play 40K but I gotta admit thats a real nice looking collection, might even be worth picking up just for the fluff and art, depending on final price of course.

We know how GW operates so you can make an educated guess I'm sure. It's not like you'll be getting a discount..

Both my armies are not inside. Damn you GW! *shakes fist*

But on the bright side, I won't get duplicate codex buying this.....but....nah.

Kirasu wrote:

 Rolt wrote:
I don't even play 40K but I gotta admit thats a real nice looking collection, might even be worth picking up just for the fluff and art, depending on final price of course.

We know how GW operates so you can make an educated guess I'm sure. It's not like you'll be getting a discount..

You don't need to guess. Its out in 6 days, prices on website (£220 in UK).

 Kirasu wrote:

 Rolt wrote:
I don't even play 40K but I gotta admit thats a real nice looking collection, might even be worth picking up just for the fluff and art, depending on final price of course.

We know how GW operates so you can make an educated guess I'm sure. It's not like you'll be getting a discount..

Ah I see... , so its one of GW's classic one-click bundle type deals? Meh, I pass then. I was hoping these were going to be something new or at least a saving on price,

I guess I'll put the money into the start of a Dark Reaper themed army instead, gotta get round to playing 40k one day.

 Kilkrazy wrote:
The concept is that "collectors" buy GW stuff, so they will buy this because GW have published it. There isn't any idea that it ought to be useful or good value for money..

The thing is, here in Oz it's actually a fairly substantial discount over buying the codexes separately. I used to buy every codex (partly because I needed most of them for existing armies, and partly because I liked to know what the other armies could do...) up until the price of the 6th edition codexes put a stop to it. With these working out at about half the price, like I said before, I'd be all over it if I had the cash.

Unfortunately, I don't... But if they chose to release these individually at the equivalent price per book, I certainly might start buying codexes again.

 Rolt wrote:

 Kirasu wrote:

 Rolt wrote:
I don't even play 40K but I gotta admit thats a real nice looking collection, might even be worth picking up just for the fluff and art, depending on final price of course.

We know how GW operates so you can make an educated guess I'm sure. It's not like you'll be getting a discount..

Ah I see... , so its one of GW's classic one-click bundle type deals? Meh, I pass then. I was hoping these were going to be something new or at least a saving on price,

I guess I'll put the money into the start of a Dark Reaper themed army instead, gotta get round to playing 40k one day.

It's not cheap,

but it's substantially cheaper than buying the lot from GW individually

 Kilkrazy wrote:
Like I bought the Dark Vengeance to get the 6th edition rules, then sold off the Chaos models to bring the cost down, but actually I would have preferred just to be able to buy a small format rulebook at a lower price. By the time GW came out with the £30 small format hardback rules, which was a product I would have liked, I already had the softback rules so I didn't need them.

That's entirely why GW release it this way. They know that there are plenty of folks who would rather have the mini rulebook but are impatient. So they release the big book at full cost (which they have also released in two digital formats) then they have the collectors edition for collectors which I think was pitched right at 2000 copies because only a few would want them. Then they try something new bringing out a new version of the rules and codices (updated for 7th I assume) which is something that people have complained about before. Then eventually they do a starter box and a mini book because they know that will fly off the shelves. If they did it the other way around with the mini book first most people would probably buy only that and so sales of the other formats would suffer. Whilst their current method is not convenient it does make good business sense and whilst I know some will argue that it's not good sense because they wont buy the expensive version, GW isn't as interested in the "cheap seats" because those customers are less likely to buy their products regularly if at all.

You know what would probably make better business sense would be to "make things people actually want" rather than use the weird tactics described. I'm going to bet on the guy selling stuff people want over the guy selling things people don't want, but if you buy that you can get the thing you do want with it but you've paid 200% what the thing you want was worth, etc.

Well, it is a tricky one to judge because if you take someone like me; I won't pay more than £30 for the rules and £20 for a codex and I only want two codexes (£70 total revenue), so GW need to release everything separately at those price points and it takes three people like me to equal one person who will buy the entire collection for £220. (I am assuming the other £10 is made up for by not printing the rest of the books that people like me are not going to buy.)

GW do not do market research, though. Their only way to judge the appeal of their products is to see the sales figures and naturally they cannot see sales figures of products they do not release. Consequently, having decided to release this style of collection, GW are unlikely to be able to decide if it is a mistake unless it is a disastrous failure.

Even then, they may take the wrong lesson from a failure. Look at Dread Fleet, which genuinely was a disastrous failure, and the message GW seem to have taken from that is not that people don't buy gakky badly designed games based on unpopular IP, but that people don't want to buy boxed games. Therefore they have not made any more boxed games, and the prophesy is self-fulfilling as no-one buys their boxed games.

Hence my point that GW's business strategy is to issue a product and expect people to buy it because people are "collectors" whose HHHobby is buying GW products.

So, I'm one of the people that actually bought this. And I'll Explain Why. I'm from europe so I'll explain the pricing in euros which may be a bit inconvenient but bear with me.

8 Codexes at 39 euro's a piece
1 Space Marine Codex at 46 Euro's
1 Rulebook at 65 Euro's

This totals up to 423 Euro's. Instead it sells for 270.
I already bought the big rulebook for 65 a few weeks ago and I have enough models to field an army for every faction due to having collected 40k for a long time. In addition all of these are Limited Edition books with the glossy black page edges in A5 format, which as a gamer I am literally dying to have. so not only am I saving money on each book to begin with this set is treated as a limited edition with the better paper quality. I had Eldar, Tau and Chaos bought for this edition but spilled coke on my chaos dex which absolutely ruined it so I needed a new one of these. I needed the knight codex to be able to field my shiny new knight, and I need the AM codex to, I honestly can use every codex in this collection, I just haven't been buying them because of the codex price points. at 10 books the average price of a codex in this set is 27 euros, I can probably sell my used codexes for about 29 a piece and trade those in for the smaller format that i like more. At this point this set was looking better by the minute and I took the plunge to buy it. Maybe I'm crazy or something, but it's limited to a 1000 copies, it looks nicer and it's a gamers format in A5 at half the cost of the normal codexes instead of double like limited editions usually are. I'm surprised people are not more positive about it.

The discounted per book price is quite remarkable given GWs track record for not offering them.
I think that might be part of the lack of enthusiasm for this set. GW haven't exactly engendered a lot of trust with their customer base, so for them to be extending a generous hand, you're kind of looking to see if the other one is swinging a chainsword!

'Wow! We just printed 7th edition Warhammer 40,000, but we still have a mountain of 6th edition codexes! What the heck are we going to do with those?!'
'I know! We stuff them all into a big box, and sell 'em as a bundle!'

They need to get rid of the books, and selling them in a box means not trashing them later.

The Auld Grump

 TheAuldGrump wrote:
'Wow! We just printed 7th edition Warhammer 40,000, but we still have a mountain of 6th edition codexes! What the heck are we going to do with those?!'
'I know! We stuff them all into a big box, and sell 'em as a bundle!'

They need to get rid of the books, and selling them in a box means not trashing them later.

The Auld Grump

Uh, those 6th edion books will continue to be used for most of this edition at the very least. And the particular books in this box are completely new printings...

It's apparently impossible for GW, but I'd love if when they issued a new edition they would update all the codexes at once and put them out in a set. The arms race the staggered release schedule creates benefits GW, and no one else (which I'm sure is why the do it).

 TheAuldGrump wrote:
'Wow! We just printed 7th edition Warhammer 40,000, but we still have a mountain of 6th edition codexes! What the heck are we going to do with those?!'
'I know! We stuff them all into a big box, and sell 'em as a bundle!'

They need to get rid of the books, and selling them in a box means not trashing them later.

The Auld Grump

I believe on page two of this three page thread it was mentioned that these are in a smaller format. So not the same books.

 Talos63 wrote:
The discounted per book price is quite remarkable given GWs track record for not offering them.

Indeed, it's a huge bundle of books at half the size for 63% of the cost. It's just a shame I don't need 8 of the books in the bundle :(

It makes sense as a collectors thing, and as a gamer primarily I'd love the A5 books, but I wish they'd make them available individually or in smaller bundles, since they've already done all of the work with them.

Don't know why people think it's a discount. You're not getting 10 Codices (or 9 and the rulebook) for a discount. You're getting books half the size for less than half the cost. If it were the full sized books this'd be a different story, but right now not a discounted existing product it's a slightly cheaper different product.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Don't know why people think it's a discount. You're not getting 10 Codices (or 9 and the rulebook) for a discount. You're getting books half the size for less than half the cost. If it were the full sized books this'd be a different story, but right now not a discounted existing product it's a slightly cheaper different product.

If you think that the only cost of producing a book is the size of the paper it's printed on then I don't know what to say.

MaxT wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Don't know why people think it's a discount. You're not getting 10 Codices (or 9 and the rulebook) for a discount. You're getting books half the size for less than half the cost. If it were the full sized books this'd be a different story, but right now not a discounted existing product it's a slightly cheaper different product.

If you think that the only cost of producing a book is the size of the paper it's printed on then I don't know what to say.

I think the really obvious point is if you put the big and small books next to each other... no-one would ever expect the small one to be the same price. They are different products.

Just to dispel any lingering doubts about the size of the books from GW's 'What's New Today'.

I'm fairly tempted, but I'd hate to have half the codexi in small format and then not be able to get the rest in that size.

They should have done a Grot edition of the Ork book with the regular & Warboss versions.

I like the size for portability, but should of been a thing to sell in tandem early on...

Might be good for tournament players (to have all the rules) and collectors and if you have the money...


But 40k has only half the armies updated for 6th/7th!

Chaos Space Marines
Dark Angels
Chaos Daemons
Tau Empire
Eldar
Space Marines
Tyranids
Imperial Guard
Orks
Plus the Imperial Knights


Blood Angels
Space Wolves
Dark Eldar
Necrons
Grey Knights
are still stuck in soft-cover black and white.

As opposed to Fantasy where only 3 armies need updated to the hardback full colour.

I'll assume a second wave will hit once they get the final books in place.

I suppose we know for sure which armies aren't getting an update anytime soon?

Or have the rumors already made this clear?

 Ghaz wrote:


Just to dispel any lingering doubts about the size of the books from GW's 'What's New Today'.

My question is: is the text proportionate to the page size, or are there more pages?

 Ghaz wrote:


Just to dispel any lingering doubts about the size of the books from GW's 'What's New Today'.

That's actually really awesome then. Mini-codexes are sweet.

I already have all of those books in the bundle except the Imperial Knights book. Interesting idea, but I have to pass.

 Dr. Temujin wrote:
My question is: is the text proportionate to the page size, or are there more pages?

Same page count, smaller text.

Makes me want to sell/trade off my copies and buy this set.

 WarOne wrote:
I'll assume a second wave will hit once they get the final books in place.

Except wave 2 won't be available separately, you'll just be able to buy the whole lot for £330.

If the text is scaled to size they should include the collectable "Commissar Reading Monocle(tm)" for those of us over 40 and the eyes are going...

MaxT wrote:
If you think that the only cost of producing a book is the size of the paper it's printed on then I don't know what to say.

Of course that's not what I was saying.

 Talizvar wrote:
If the text is scaled to size they should include the collectable "Commissar Reading Monocle(tm)" for those of us over 40 and the eyes are going...

Stop giving them ideas!

With modern digital publishing the paper and binding etc is the major cost other than the original copy, artwork and layouts.

In this case all the layouts are already in the system. GW just need to order a new set of plates at the smaller page size. If the print run is small enough they just go digital straight to print.

If they decide to change the layouts and reflow all the text the costs increase because an editor has to revise everything.

 pretre wrote:
That's actually really awesome then. Mini-codexes are sweet.

Not for that price they're not.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 pretre wrote:
That's actually really awesome then. Mini-codexes are sweet.

Not for that price they're not.

We'll have to agree to disagree then because I think that's a pretty good deal.

 pretre wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 pretre wrote:
That's actually really awesome then. Mini-codexes are sweet.

Not for that price they're not.

We'll have to agree to disagree then because I think that's a pretty good deal.

The problem is the rate they change.
I really see codex's going digital and updated "live" and may go without FAQ's altogether.
It is still a hard thing to move away from hard copies...
I heard something that if you order direct you can only download a limited number of times, another point for I-store.

 Talizvar wrote:
I heard something that if you order direct you can only download a limited number of times, another point for I-store.

Nope, I've downloaded it many times and there's nothing in the Ts and C's about it. That's just unsubstantiated rumor.

I think the one thing that would push me to buying this set is knowing for certain that GW would release all the missing books in this format as well.
As I mentioned earlier, the a5 format rulebook in the Munitorum box is easily readable for me (I'm 51, and do need glasses to read). The text isn't really any smaller than a standard paperback novel. Perhaps the only thing that requires any extra concentration is some of the photo diagrams. For that I think the "collectable "Commissar Reading Monocle(tm)" is a great idea!

It seems to me that it is a good deal if;

You want all these books
You don't want the other books that aren't in the set (there is no guarantee they will ever be released)
You like the reduced size format
You don't mind that most of the codexes are now out of date because they were written for 7th edition and will be replaced over the next couple of years.

I can't help thinking that this is an attempt by GW to get some cheap and easy revenue by recycling old stuff to sell to collectors, completists and super-fans.

Most players surely would prefer all of the rules codexes to be available in this format as separate purchases so that people could buy just what they want.

This probably would kick the crap out of normal book sales, though. How many users prefer the heavy expensive format?

 pretre wrote:

 Talizvar wrote:
I heard something that if you order direct you can only download a limited number of times, another point for I-store.

Nope, I've downloaded it many times and there's nothing in the Ts and C's about it. That's just unsubstantiated rumor.

Thanks, for the correction.
Some poster had "complained" of limited downloads and I had no immediate means to confirm.
I will cease with my "lies" now...

another triumph.

I hope all buyers demand their extra copy of the elder codex

Yeah i noticed that one to. Will have to see if they fix it before saturday or i will play this for a laugh at my local gw.

Ridiculous product.

Good one GW.