Argh. Those Flayed Ones are NOT an improvement of the older models IMO.

dont like the flayed ones, but so far so good

combatmedic wrote:The new flayed ones don't look too bad. I mean I have seen worse.

Not quite as good as they could have been though..

Here's a bit more detail on the Lychguard & Praetorians:


Lychguard: S5 T5 A2 3+ save. Warscythes (2h +2 str power weapon) or A +4 inv. shield and power weapon. Shield can bounce saved shots back at any enemy if they are within 6". 40pts each.

Praetorians: S5 T5 jump infantry. 3+ save. Have a 6" shot S5 AP2 Assault 1 power weapon staff or 2 rending swords and a 3+ inv. 40 pts each.


And a recap from my rumor thread with a little taste about what the sniper unit is like:

yakface wrote:Another new Elites choice is a sniper style unit that can Deep Strike into play normally or it can choose to immediately Deep Strike immediately after the opponent brings an enemy unit on from Reserves, and they have some nasty additional damage ability against one nominated unit...obviously we need more info to know how useful this will really be, but the concept of countering an opponent's Reserve deployment immediately sounds interesting at least.

Well, look at the bright side: at least they don't have loincloths.

Steelmage99 wrote:Argh. Those Flayed Ones are NOT an improvement of the older models IMO.

I no, right?

Metal flayed ones for me I think.

The whole point of the original flayed ones was that they seemed like skeletons wrapped in bloody freshly carved skin. Not like really fat warriors with bandages and tubes (which are supposed to be skin and entrails? I'm not even certain-poor sculpting there)

I really don't see the horror or the grim visceral terror these things are meant to evoke in those models.

And rumor is that Flayed Ones are troops. If this is true, and they're not Failcast, I may have to put together a Flayed Army.

mikhaila wrote:

alphaomega wrote:I don't like the Mk one style mixed with an ancient civilisation. More so when it seems the sculpturer couldn't decided if that civilisation was Ancient Eygpt or Incas.

You have it backwards. Both Egypt and the Incas had a Necron look because both cultures worshipped the Necrons as their 'Space Gods'.

I thought this comment was great

Also, so refreshing to have N&R thread full of pics once again!!

yakface wrote:
Here's a bit more detail on the Lychguard & Praetorians:


Lychguard: S5 T5 A2 3+ save. Warscythes (2h +2 str power weapon) or A +4 inv. shield and power weapon. Shield can bounce saved shots back at any enemy if they are within 6". 40pts each.

Praetorians: S5 T5 jump infantry. 3+ save. Have a 6" shot S5 AP2 Assault 1 power weapon staff or 2 rending swords and a 3+ inv. 40 pts each.


And a recap from my rumor thread with a little taste about what the sniper unit is like:

yakface wrote:]Another new Elites choice is a sniper style unit that can Deep Strike into play normally or it can choose to immediately Deep Strike immediately after the opponent brings an enemy unit on from Reserves, and they have some nasty additional damage ability against one nominated unit...obviously we need more info to know how useful this will really be, but the concept of countering an opponent's Reserve deployment immediately sounds interesting at least.

40pts each? really?
This doesn't sound good...

Ketara wrote:Metal flayed ones for me I think.

The whole point of the original flayed ones was that they seemed like skeletons wrapped in bloody freshly carved skin. Not like really fat warriors with bandages and tubes (which are supposed to be skin and entrails? I'm not even certain-poor sculpting there)

I really don't see the horror or the grim visceral terror these things are meant to evoke in those models.

Right. Weren't they supposed to "hide" in the skins of others? Those Flayed Ones don't seem to be hiding at all. Course, maybe the fluff has changed. . .

Yo yo chekkit ma new skins dawg!

I be snippin it up in da hizzouse.

Kanluwen wrote:

BrookM wrote:Most interesting, I'm sure a few of those kits will find some sort of use in my Rogue Trader collection. Xeno constructs of unknown origin.

The Deathmarks are looking like they might find a home in my collection as some kind of Adeptus Mechanicus experiment gone horribly, horribly wrong for scenario games.

Oh yes, either that, or an expedition into a tomb world, with more and more of them reactivating as the Rogue Trader and party venture deeper and deeper.

According to BoW, that's the last of the pics.

yakface wrote:

Shield can bounce saved shots back at any enemy if they are within 6".

Everything I have ever wanted when rolling 6's on my armor saves... sweet mother of god

combatmedic wrote:

yakface wrote:

Shield can bounce saved shots back at any enemy if they are within 6".

Everything I have ever wanted when rolling 6's on my armor saves... sweet mother of god

Yeah, but 6"?
That won't happen often. Hopefully it's an invul save.

Awesome, another great new line from GW.

No new monolith?

Lord Magnus wrote:The boatload arrived on the dreadfleet tomb king ship

So? Frankly, I don't see a problem with the 'Tomb Kings in Space' look. The other common complaint about the Necron range was that the models were boring. Now they have bling. Works for me.

Or, it would, if I had any intention of buying them. Which I won't until GW does something about their ridiculous worldwide selling policies.

scarletsquig wrote:The Ghost Ark is a direct copy+paste of the cylon resurrection ship from Battlestar Galactica, right down to the angles.

There certainly seems to be some 'inspiration' there...

By what you say yakface it appears warscythes no longer ignore invulnerable saves?

That's a damn shame, unsurprising since they did the same with the Callidus but still a great shame.

Lord Magnus wrote:No new monolith?

There may be some new things, just not released in the first wave. Patience, my young padowan.

CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Yeah, but 6"?
That won't happen often. Hopefully it's an invul save.

It will anytime someone wants to shoot and assault you with assault or pistol weapons! I do it all the time with my Ork Shoota Boyz, Deff Dreads, Killa Kans, etc.

CthuluIsSpy wrote:

combatmedic wrote:

yakface wrote:

Shield can bounce saved shots back at any enemy if they are within 6".

Everything I have ever wanted when rolling 6's on my armor saves... sweet mother of god

Yeah, but 6"?
That won't happen often. Hopefully it's an invul save.

Gods know I have said it jokingly every time someone shoots me that close. Why the hell not? While its not a huge ability, it adds some fun to the game, something this game has been lacking as of late.

insaniak wrote:

Lord Magnus wrote:The boatload arrived on the dreadfleet tomb king ship

So? Frankly, I don't see a problem with the 'Tomb Kings in Space' look. The other common complaint about the Necron range was that the models were boring. Now they have bling. Works for me.

Or, it would, if I had any intention of buying them. Which I won't until GW does something about their ridiculous worldwide selling policies.

scarletsquig wrote:The Ghost Ark is a direct copy+paste of the cylon resurrection ship from Battlestar Galactica, right down to the angles.

There certainly seems to be some 'inspiration' there...

I also like the tomb kings in space look, I am just saying, its the boat that got them there.

combatmedic wrote:

yakface wrote:

Shield can bounce saved shots back at any enemy if they are within 6".

Everything I have ever wanted when rolling 6's on my armor saves... sweet mother of god

Just from shooting weapons though?

puma713 wrote:Right. Weren't they supposed to "hide" in the skins of others? Those Flayed Ones don't seem to be hiding at all. Course, maybe the fluff has changed. . .

They hide in the skins of others in order to infiltrate enemy lines. The models presumably are representing them at some point after the 'Ooga Booga!' bit...

Lt. Coldfire wrote:Well, look at the bright side: at least they don't have loincloths.

That's because they're wearing other people's loins wrapped around them.

Dravenguild wrote:By what you say yakface it appears warscythes no longer ignore invulnerable saves?

That's a damn shame, unsurprising since they did the same with the Callidus but still a great shame.

THANK GOD.

Swara wrote:

combatmedic wrote:

yakface wrote:

Shield can bounce saved shots back at any enemy if they are within 6".

Everything I have ever wanted when rolling 6's on my armor saves... sweet mother of god

Just from shooting weapons though?

Ever sense that one part in Iron Man in the cave, I thought "Why not?". CC attacks make no sense, to much parrying and dodging and whatnot.

This "leak" does seem a little controlled though. Pretty clean, lots of info, near the announcement date.

These Leaks have me very excited...


By my count, there are 10 items released so far
New Immortals
New Flayed Ones
3 new HQ choices
Triarch Preatorians
Lytchguard
Deathmarks
Ghost Ark/Doomsday Ark
Barge Command/Barge Support

If everything leaked comes in the first wave, this will be much bigger than the Dark Eldar release. (I counted only 5 things in the first wave http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/blogPost.jsp?aId=13200009a)

Very excited

puma713 wrote:This "leak" does seem a little controlled though. Pretty clean, lots of info, near the announcement date.

The leak could be legitimate.

Beasts of War could have gotten an early edition of White Dwarf which these images are obviously from.
Then they're trickling these images one-by-one in order to keep people oming to their site and checking them out (not that there's anything wrong with that).

Colour me interested, can't wait to fight some of these with my Wolves in a month's time.

Flayed ones a bit of misfire, but never really liked them anyway.

Yeah, but in terms of quality, the Dark Eldar far surpassed these new Necrons. There are one or two nice items (the converted sickle skimmer with the massive gun, the doomsday ark, one or two of the lords, and the teleporting chaps), but I would say about slightly over half of the releases smack to me of poor design choices.

Some of that can be potentially rectified if they retcon well enough, but I find myself a little disappointed; the excellence of the DE release gave me high hopes for a similar quality of xenos release for the Necrons.

Ah well, ho-hum, mustn't complain I guess.

Ketara wrote:Yeah, but in terms of quality, the Dark Eldar far surpassed these new Necrons.

They had longer to sculpt the Dark Eldar

Where's the rumoured new Tomb Spyder, that's what I wanted to see.

HOLY MOLY.

I needed this leak like a fat-kid needs cake! I love pretty much all of it, and GW, take note, leaks of this kind and grainy pictures make my want to buy stuff! No leaks and no pics make me bored with the hobby!

Agamemnon2 wrote:

Lt. Coldfire wrote:Well, look at the bright side: at least they don't have loincloths.

That's because they're wearing other people's loins wrapped around them.

Matt Ward wrote:And after the battle, Necron Lord awarded his fellow BA allies with loincloths made from the dead tyranids for their troubles.

Never mined doing a IG army im going to start a Necron army

Cyrax wrote:

Agamemnon2 wrote:

Lt. Coldfire wrote:Well, look at the bright side: at least they don't have loincloths.

That's because they're wearing other people's loins wrapped around them.

Matt Ward wrote:And after the battle, Necron Lord awarded his fellow BA allies with loincloths made from the dead tyranids for their troubles.

Ok, as much as I hate the hyperbole on that BA/Necron "alliance", that made me chuckle.

I wouldn't call it a leak, more like a sneak peek nice looking stuff though, looking forward to seeing all the other new stuff

Cyrax wrote:

Agamemnon2 wrote:

Lt. Coldfire wrote:Well, look at the bright side: at least they don't have loincloths.

That's because they're wearing other people's loins wrapped around them.

Matt Ward wrote:And after the battle, Necron Lord awarded his fellow BA allies with loincloths made from the dead tyranids for their troubles.

You... can't be serious. This would explain a lot, however.

Lt. Coldfire wrote:

Cyrax wrote:

Matt Ward wrote:And after the battle, Necron Lord awarded his fellow BA allies with loincloths made from the dead tyranids for their troubles.

You... can't be serious. This would explain a lot, however.

This is the kind of thing that makes me rage hard enough to catch the notice of Khorne himself. While I still have my composure, let me just point ou that Mat Ward (MAT MAT MAT ONE FREAKING "T" FOR CRYING IN THE BLOOD!) did not actually write that "quotation" -- it's just a joke, just like how the "brofist" never actually happened but was just a joke.

Well it fits so it had me going.

Lt. Coldfire wrote:Well it fits so it had me going.

No ... no, it doesn't "fit" at all. (takes valium)

Manchu wrote:

Lt. Coldfire wrote:Well it fits so it had me going.

No ... no, it doesn't "fit" at all. (takes valium)

Calm down friend. Slow deep breaths.

Swara wrote:

Manchu wrote:

Lt. Coldfire wrote:Well it fits so it had me going.

No ... no, it doesn't "fit" at all. (takes valium)

Calm down friend. Slow deep breaths.

Sorry, you know first it's Tomb'Crons then it's Mat Ward jokes ... oh, I'm still dizzy ...

Anpu-adom wrote:These Leaks have me very excited...


By my count, there are 10 items released so far
New Immortals
New Flayed Ones
3 new HQ choices
Triarch Preatorians
Lytchguard
Deathmarks
Ghost Ark/Doomsday Ark
Barge Command/Barge Support

If everything leaked comes in the first wave, this will be much bigger than the Dark Eldar release. (I counted only 5 things in the first wave http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/blogPost.jsp?aId=13200009a)

Very excited

I guess this implies a confirmation for the rumour that said that GW would no longer release the new ranges in waves, but all in one month. Like they did with the Ogres. DE however had two big waves (november 2010 with Warriors, Wyches, Raiders... and the second one with Scourges, Hellions, the Venom, the Razorwing...) plus lesser releases between and after them (Haemis and Wracks, the beast creatures, Archon's retinue...). I would say that the total amount of new stuff is bigger for DE. And I agree with Ketara, the quality of the new DE range is higher. This one isn't bad at all to me though.

It's turning into the T.O. show in here.

Erasoketa wrote:

Anpu-adom wrote:These Leaks have me very excited...


By my count, there are 10 items released so far
New Immortals
New Flayed Ones
3 new HQ choices
Triarch Preatorians
Lytchguard
Deathmarks
Ghost Ark/Doomsday Ark
Barge Command/Barge Support

If everything leaked comes in the first wave, this will be much bigger than the Dark Eldar release. (I counted only 5 things in the first wave http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/blogPost.jsp?aId=13200009a)

Very excited

I guess this implies a confirmation for the rumour that said that GW would no longer release the new ranges in waves, but all in one month. Like they did with the Ogres. DE however had two big waves (november 2010 with Warriors, Wyches, Raiders... and the second one with Scourges, Hellions, the Venom, the Razorwing...) plus lesser releases between and after them (Haemis and Wracks, the beast creatures, Archon's retinue...). I would say that the total amount of new stuff is bigger for DE. And I agree with Ketara, the quality of the new DE range is higher. This one isn't bad at all to me though.

So where be the Tomb Spyder? Cos I ain't using the old one

EDIT - Yes, not quite as good as DE, but much better than Grey Knights IMHO.

Erasoketa wrote:

Anpu-adom wrote:These Leaks have me very excited...


By my count, there are 10 items released so far
New Immortals
New Flayed Ones
3 new HQ choices
Triarch Preatorians
Lytchguard
Deathmarks
Ghost Ark/Doomsday Ark
Barge Command/Barge Support

If everything leaked comes in the first wave, this will be much bigger than the Dark Eldar release. (I counted only 5 things in the first wave http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/blogPost.jsp?aId=13200009a)

Very excited

I guess this implies a confirmation for the rumour that said that GW would no longer release the new ranges in waves, but all in one month. Like they did with the Ogres. DE however had two big waves (november 2010 with Warriors, Wyches, Raiders... and the second one with Scourges, Hellions, the Venom, the Razorwing...) plus lesser releases between and after them (Haemis and Wracks, the beast creatures, Archon's retinue...). I would say that the total amount of new stuff is bigger for DE. And I agree with Ketara, the quality of the new DE range is higher. This one isn't bad at all to me though.

Not necessarily, I don't see any new Tomb Spyders or C'tan models, and the rumours were that they were going to get redone (if not in their models, then in their rules, which would imply a different model to me). However, it would make sense to put these particular models in the 2nd wave since old models will fill in for them for the moment.

Lt. Coldfire wrote:It's turning into the T.O. show in here.

I had no idea what that was, so I goggled it and got naked pictures of a black guy... I'll stay away from whatever it is.

puma713 wrote:And rumor is that Flayed Ones are troops. If this is true, and they're not Failcast, I may have to put together a Flayed Army.

Those models don't look like they could be plastic. The poses are too distinctive to be part of a multi-pose kit, so unless it's some kind of new mono-pose set of plastics, they're Finecast.

Anpu-adom wrote:These Leaks have me very excited...


By my count, there are 10 items released so far
New Immortals
New Flayed Ones
3 new HQ choices
Triarch Preatorians (replacement for Pariahs?)
Lytchguard
Deathmarks
Ghost Ark/Doomsday Ark
Barge Command/Barge Support

If everything leaked comes in the first wave, this will be much bigger than the Dark Eldar release. (I counted only 5 things in the first wave http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/blogPost.jsp?aId=13200009a)

Very excited

So things that we haven't seen that we know are coming:
The new destroyer kit
The new Tomb Spyder
The Wraiths (plastic or Finecast?!?)
Warriors w/added bitz
Solo plastic scarabs (which are supposed to be much more dynamic)

Rumored items we haven't seen yet include:
Jet bikes
The monstrous creatures
and one other type of vehicle
C'Tan slaves or whatever
maybe 1 or 2 more elites choices (depending on how things count in the FOC)

Altruizine wrote:

puma713 wrote:And rumor is that Flayed Ones are troops. If this is true, and they're not Failcast, I may have to put together a Flayed Army.

Those models don't look like they could be plastic. The poses are too distinctive to be part of a multi-pose kit, so unless it's some kind of new mono-pose set of plastics, they're Finecast.

Agreed, they scream Finecast to me. That would be odd for a standard troop choice though

insaniak wrote:

puma713 wrote:Right. Weren't they supposed to "hide" in the skins of others? Those Flayed Ones don't seem to be hiding at all. Course, maybe the fluff has changed. . .

They hide in the skins of others in order to infiltrate enemy lines. The models presumably are representing them at some point after the 'Ooga Booga!' bit...

Still doesn't make a lot of sense, unless one of the Necrons chose "three-headed mutant" as the theme for his disguise...

Flashman wrote:

Altruizine wrote:

puma713 wrote:And rumor is that Flayed Ones are troops. If this is true, and they're not Failcast, I may have to put together a Flayed Army.

Those models don't look like they could be plastic. The poses are too distinctive to be part of a multi-pose kit, so unless it's some kind of new mono-pose set of plastics, they're Finecast.

Agreed, they scream Finecast to me. That would be odd for a standard troop choice though

It would, but aren't just he immortals and warriors the standard troops?

One of the Necrons i guess threw some more gore on his back for later? I don't know, I do not particularly like that one model.

Altruizine wrote:

insaniak wrote:

puma713 wrote:Right. Weren't they supposed to "hide" in the skins of others? Those Flayed Ones don't seem to be hiding at all. Course, maybe the fluff has changed. . .

They hide in the skins of others in order to infiltrate enemy lines. The models presumably are representing them at some point after the 'Ooga Booga!' bit...

Still doesn't make a lot of sense, unless one of the Necrons chose "three-headed mutant" as the theme for his disguise...

As I remember it from the book, they had "flayer disease" which made them want to rip off skin and wear it.

Altruizine wrote:

insaniak wrote:

puma713 wrote:Right. Weren't they supposed to "hide" in the skins of others? Those Flayed Ones don't seem to be hiding at all. Course, maybe the fluff has changed. . .

They hide in the skins of others in order to infiltrate enemy lines. The models presumably are representing them at some point after the 'Ooga Booga!' bit...

Still doesn't make a lot of sense, unless one of the Necrons chose "three-headed mutant" as the theme for his disguise...

The thing you're missing about Flayed Ones is that they kind of operate in 'stages'.

The first 'stage' is they pick off isolated outposts, leaving nothing but a bloody mess behind.
The second 'stage' is that they infiltrate into the enemy's lines wearing the flayed skins of their enemies to hide the glint of their metallic bodies.
The final 'stage' is that they reveal themselves, cutting a blood-soaked swathe through the enemy and wearing the bloody hides as an intimidation factor.

If I had to guess, those "corpses" attached to the Flayed Ones aren't corpses. Their victims could very well still be alive.

Swara wrote:

Flashman wrote:

Altruizine wrote:

puma713 wrote:And rumor is that Flayed Ones are troops. If this is true, and they're not Failcast, I may have to put together a Flayed Army.

Those models don't look like they could be plastic. The poses are too distinctive to be part of a multi-pose kit, so unless it's some kind of new mono-pose set of plastics, they're Finecast.

Agreed, they scream Finecast to me. That would be odd for a standard troop choice though

It would, but aren't just he immortals and warriors the standard troops?

Dunno, I was reacting to his rumour that they might be troops. Maybe a particular character moves them to troops ala Haemonculi and Wracks...

Swara wrote:

Altruizine wrote:

insaniak wrote:

puma713 wrote:Right. Weren't they supposed to "hide" in the skins of others? Those Flayed Ones don't seem to be hiding at all. Course, maybe the fluff has changed. . .

They hide in the skins of others in order to infiltrate enemy lines. The models presumably are representing them at some point after the 'Ooga Booga!' bit...

Still doesn't make a lot of sense, unless one of the Necrons chose "three-headed mutant" as the theme for his disguise...

As I remember it from the book, they had "flayer disease" which made them want to rip off skin and wear it.

And personally I like this background a lot better. But I do think there was some indication in 3rd edition book that they used the skins for infiltration. I hope that's retconned, though, because it's dumb, and pyschopathic serial-killer robots are cooler and scarier than cunning robots who play dress-up with carcasses.

Sorry about that joke if I've angered anyone. In my defence I'm extremely tired and little drunk right now. Also about his name I've always thought that it was Matt and google gave me this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Ward_(game_designer). Am I missing something?

If you read "Dead Men Walking," you'll understand how the whole skins for infiltration thing works.

Swara wrote:

Flashman wrote:

Altruizine wrote:

puma713 wrote:And rumor is that Flayed Ones are troops. If this is true, and they're not Failcast, I may have to put together a Flayed Army.

Those models don't look like they could be plastic. The poses are too distinctive to be part of a multi-pose kit, so unless it's some kind of new mono-pose set of plastics, they're Finecast.

Agreed, they scream Finecast to me. That would be odd for a standard troop choice though

It would, but aren't just he immortals and warriors the standard troops?

I thought it was a character that made them troops? Being elites or fast on a vanilla list. But then nobs and termies are plastic so who knows.

LOL...Man these things are horrible. Ask and ye shall receive!

I bet necron fans are trilled with so many new minis!
Necron was always a bit lacking in diversity but unless codex screws up the balance I think from now on the Necrons will have as much variety as most of the other armies.

Me personally I dislike the models, I mean if they went along the lines of huge robotic insects like the FW stuff I would be pleased but this is more a fantasy tomb kings meets necrons.

I think some of the weapons have potential for nice convos for other armies.

Overall nice sneak peek ( I doubt this is not a controlled leak), lots of new kits for all necron fans and unfortunately the look is a kind of meh for me.

All this talk about DE being better and whatnot, and here I actually thought the DE mini's looked ridiculous.

Wow I turn my back for a couple of hours and theres pages to wade through!

Other reveals that BoW have been putting up look great, loving the new direction that the necrons are taking. But looking at this direction it has me wondering how the fluff behind the army will be hammered out. Also more importantlywondering what else shall be getting the makeover and are GW sugesting the plastics are "safe" to buy just to shift them on...

blood reaper wrote:Interesting design but the Necron pilots set me off a bit, I mean why would Necrons require pilots for their vehicles? I mean, I could see Necron gunners but its not that bad.

As a theory, remember that Necrons aren't "robots" they're people... And presumably, before being Necron-ized they had two legs, two arms, etc. Presumably they can adapt to Destroyer bodies reasonably well (Maybe they acted in a role similar to cavalry in life) but adapting to being a more traditional vehicle might be a bit too much.

combatmedic wrote:

Swara wrote:

It would, but aren't just he immortals and warriors the standard troops?

I thought it was a character that made them troops? Being elites or fast on a vanilla list. But then nobs and termies are plastic so who knows.

I don't know, but the BoW pictures all had small tidbits of info, and this one was about the Immortals and Flayed Ones:

Beasts of War wrote:Brand New Necron Troop Models


Finally, All Necron armies need troops, but what about some new models to represent them?


Check out the Games Workshop's new Flayed Ones and Immortals...

Quick capsule review:

I got mixed feelings about vehicles. Especially Command Barge which reminds me of 70's SF movies and THAT approach to space-alien-tech...
New Immortals and Deathmarks are awesome... Lords look cheesy. Lychguard and their multi-part friends... Will need to see them in my own paint palette, but seem OK.

Now the cherry on top: the new Flayed Ones. Boy I'm happy I bought all metal blisters available in Warsaw few weeks ago Shops were already almost out of stock, but I managed to scavenge 10 metal Flayed Ones and, if you ask me, they look much better then those new grotesque abominations. Banish them all to Haemonculi Zoo! Hope I won't need more than those 10...

Cyrax wrote:Sorry about that joke if I've angered anyone. In my defence I'm extremely tired and little drunk right now. Also about his name I've always thought that it was Matt and google gave me this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Ward_(game_designer). Am I missing something?

You're apparently using Wikipedia as a credible source of information, for starters...

His name is Matthew. Whether you shorten that to 'Matt' or 'Mat' comes down largely to personal preference. 'Matt' is more common, which is why most people default to it.

Lord Magnus wrote:

Steelmage99 wrote:

Lord Magnus wrote:

WarlordRob117 wrote:OMG the derp continues... Crons with tails?!?!?!

Next thing y'know they're gonna give space marines wings... oh... wait... yeah... DUR!!!!!!

Still dont make it right...

"Oh my god he's so terrifying he's going to rearrange my face ah... wait... is his tail wagging?!?!?! thats so cute, like a little puppy cron!"

On a side note, some people actually think these models look nice, and since you are now in the negative about this thread, is this really constructive?

Only "allowing" positive comments isn't constructive either...

What I meant is that his negativity is not constructive.

You calling my opinion negative is not constructive... To me my opinion is positive... am I not allowed to joke on the new cron models like people joked on my beloved Draigo? (who does look like he's wearing his oh face... this had nothing to do with me wanting his helmet on BTW)

Again... whats with the flayed ones? its like they purposefully took a unit meant to cause fear and dread even among their own ranks and turned them into a cartoon from Rob Zombies nightmares?

To address what was said about the designer sympathy? then whats the excuse for the last models... the followed the similar formula to the orks... necron warrior=boyz sized, immortals=Nob sized, Lord=Boss sized... I can see them being made a little more elaborate, but for crying out loud... there is so much bling its gonna harder to distinguish now... its like flava flav got ahold of them and put them through some wacky flavanized device... that or the harlequins played a prank on the crons for the stuff the deciever pulled on the laughing god lol

Sorry if all ready said - but hasnt GWs policy of embargoing all info prior to a release backfired specatularly with BOW leak.

Whilst the GW website has posted stupid pictures of studio staff dressed as pirates for weeks on end - theres been no mention of necrons. No teasers - no building up of excitement/interest in this release - instead BOWs site has crashed out of the amount of traffic theyve had and GW have missed a great opportunity to drag people to their site and missed the marketing opportunity of more visitors!!!!!!

Pleases someone - you must check theses boards - sack the person who came up with this crazy strategy and employ someone who really knows how to market products!!!!

Bet thisll take the shine of the mistep that is Dreadful Fleet!

HoundyDog wrote:Sorry if all ready said - but hasnt GWs policy of embargoing all info prior to a release backfired specatularly with BOW leak.

Whilst the GW website has posted stupid pictures of studio staff dressed as pirates for weeks on end - theres been no mention of necrons. No teasers - no building up of excitement/interest in this release - instead BOWs site has crashed out of the amount of traffic theyve had and GW have missed a great opportunity to drag people to their site and missed the marketing opportunity of more visitors!!!!!!

Pleases someone - you must check theses boards - sack the person who came up with this crazy strategy and employ someone who really knows how to market products!!!!

Bet thisll take the shine of the mistep that is Dreadful Fleet!

On the contrary, it makes the leak all the more omg newsworthy. Maybe they leaked it themselves?

MunkeyKungFu wrote:

HoundyDog wrote:Sorry if all ready said - but hasnt GWs policy of embargoing all info prior to a release backfired specatularly with BOW leak.

Whilst the GW website has posted stupid pictures of studio staff dressed as pirates for weeks on end - theres been no mention of necrons. No teasers - no building up of excitement/interest in this release - instead BOWs site has crashed out of the amount of traffic theyve had and GW have missed a great opportunity to drag people to their site and missed the marketing opportunity of more visitors!!!!!!

Pleases someone - you must check theses boards - sack the person who came up with this crazy strategy and employ someone who really knows how to market products!!!!

Bet thisll take the shine of the mistep that is Dreadful Fleet!

On the contrary, it makes the leak all the more omg newsworthy. Maybe they leaked it themselves?

Dont agree - BOW get all the credit/publicity and in the process GW look icompetent at keeping to their own policy whether or not they leaked it. Marketing 1-0-1 - control your own product - they cant!! Its like Apple leaking the iphone 4.5 to microsoft and let them make the announcement - doesnt make sense!

Yeah, wasn't the Ogre Kingdom stuff leaked about a week in advance of the official GW announcement? If things continue to follow this pattern the only reasonable conclusion is that GW is comfortable with and/or intentionally facilitating the leaks, as long as they adhere to that timeline.

HoundyDog wrote:

MunkeyKungFu wrote:

HoundyDog wrote:Sorry if all ready said - but hasnt GWs policy of embargoing all info prior to a release backfired specatularly with BOW leak.

Whilst the GW website has posted stupid pictures of studio staff dressed as pirates for weeks on end - theres been no mention of necrons. No teasers - no building up of excitement/interest in this release - instead BOWs site has crashed out of the amount of traffic theyve had and GW have missed a great opportunity to drag people to their site and missed the marketing opportunity of more visitors!!!!!!

Pleases someone - you must check theses boards - sack the person who came up with this crazy strategy and employ someone who really knows how to market products!!!!

Bet thisll take the shine of the mistep that is Dreadful Fleet!

On the contrary, it makes the leak all the more omg newsworthy. Maybe they leaked it themselves?

Dont agree - BOW get all the credit/publicity and in the process GW look icompetent at keeping to their own policy whether or not they leaked it. Marketing 1-0-1 - control your own product - they cant!!

First of all, the policy was never set forth explicitly by GW or publicly announced to their fanbase at large. The only people who are aware of it are those that pursue GW rumours and news online. Secondly, those same people are all capable of putting 2 and 2 together and realizing that GW are behind the leaks (assuming, as I said, that things continue to reflect this pattern).

GW wants sales not credit.

As I've said before I think that GW are rather more savvy than the Internet "experts" give them credit for. Who knows they could be a Market leader someday.

notprop wrote:GW wants sales not credit.

WELL SAID SIR... GOOD FORM!!!

Lord Magnus wrote:Out of curiosity, what is the big problem people have with finecast? Is it the resin?

I think it's the reports of high defect counts.

insaniak wrote:His name is Matthew. Whether you shorten that to 'Matt' or 'Mat' comes down largely to personal preference. 'Matt' is more common, which is why most people default to it.

vs.

Manchu wrote:let me just point ou that Mat Ward (MAT MAT MAT ONE FREAKING "T" FOR CRYING IN THE BLOOD!)

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WarlordRob117 wrote:
"Oh my god he's so terrifying he's going to rearrange my face ah... wait... is his tail wagging?!?!?! thats so cute, like a little puppy cron!"

In all fairness, the Xenomorphs from the Alien series had tails and could be quite scary. Skeletal looking tails kind of like this, even, although much longer.

notprop wrote:GW wants sales not credit.

As I've said before I think that GW are rather more savvy than the Internet "experts" give them credit for. Who knows they could be a Market leader someday.

I think this is naive: to think that GW doesn't care at all about Marketing, and only wants sales. If so, why create a Facebook page, why have the little quirky things they do on the website? To drive you to the website. You know what happens if you're driven to the website? You may make a purchase. You may not, but the chance is there. If all of the traffic that had been going to Beasts of War today went to Games Workshop instead, someone might have seen Dreadfleet that hadn't seen it before. Someone might have read an article that really pushed them into starting that new Khorne Berzerker army. Whatever it is. Having another website leaking your information (intentional or not) is counter-intuitive marketing-wise. If you want the drive and you want the groundswell of newsworthy release, it is not going to detract from it if you release it yourself.

I think it's interesting to call them 'savvy' and then saying they're more interested in sales than in where the information comes from. That is not marketing. Even if they are trying 'viral' marketing - it would still go viral if they released it themselves.

It's backwards logic. If you go into a store and ask them about their new product, they're going to bend over backwards to tell you about it and hopefully, you'll leave with either one in hand, one ordered or with the intention of ordering. If you walk into a GW and ask them about the new Necron stuff, they'll stare at you with a blank face and say, "keep watching White Dwarf!"

That's not marketing.

Let's pick it up over here:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/403994.page