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Post by: MarkNorfolk
This an amazing thing!
I would think that if a helicopter might be required the jet-suit would still hover up the mountain to stabilize the patient and/or assess if the 'copter was required or not. The 'suit could be up their before the helicopter had finished it's preflight checks.
I think the jet-suit is Thunderbird 1 while the helicopter is Thunderbird 2....
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MarkNorfolk wrote:This an amazing thing! I would think that if a helicopter might be required the jet-suit would still hover up the mountain to stabilize the patient and/or assess if the 'copter was required or not. The 'suit could be up their before the helicopter had finished it's preflight checks. I think the jet-suit is Thunderbird 1 while the helicopter is Thunderbird 2....
It was the Great North Air Ambulance Service (GNAAS) doing the testing - they normally use helicopters but are also looking at alternatives. Jet Suit Paramedic.
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Post by: Overread
I suspect that outside of tests the person might be able to carry more as well. Plus its not just first aid access, they might be able to carry rope or guide lost people back to the path. The suit offering fast traversing over rough terrain that even an ATV or such would struggle with.
Fast access could help avoid medical issues from exposure and such even if all they can brink is one of those silver blankets.
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Post by: beast_gts
Adam Savage converted a Gravity rig into an Iron Man suit, so they can carry some weight (if you're a good enough pilot / operator).
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Post by: A Town Called Malus
I can see a pretty big potential downside to the jet suit in that if something goes wrong with it you might now have two injured people in inaccessible locations, and potentially different locations at that. Definitely be a risk/reward scenario deal.
With regards to finding and guiding people back down, I think a drone equipped with high-vis paint and lights and an infrared camera might be a better bet for that as it would be more capable of locating the lost person and also doesn't put the paramedic at risk Said drone could also drop off supplies such as mylar blankets etc.
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Post by: MarkNorfolk
True. But the intended use for the suit is to hover at slow speed and only a few feet of the ground. Plus a drone can't provide expert medical attention.
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Post by: Overread
There's a lot to be said for the human touch. I can certainly see a drone system being employed as well as for the finding of people who are lost. Esp since you can equip a drone with infra red and other visual detection systems very easily.
But for actually providing aid to a person a human is far better. Don't forget most people don't have great first aid and even if they've had training, if they've never used it they won't have the confidence nor perfect recollection of the steps. So having someone trained and experienced who can get in there hands on is a big benefit. Plus don't forget some people might be alone when they are found.
A system of a central command vehicle with one or two drone operators to scout the area; then deploying the hover-man once the person is located and then waiting for ground/air ambulance forces to arrive would be very effective system for finding and providing aid.
Medical services always highlight that one of the most important parts of survival is fast first attendance. After that its fast travel to the hospital.
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Post by: reds8n
On the ground floor of a towering office building overlooking Tokyo Bay, in a space intended to resemble the interior of a moon base, a convenience store is tended by a humanoid robot.
This robot isn’t out front, wowing customers. No, it is in the back, doing the unglamorous job of keeping shelves stocked. It has broad shoulders, wide eyes, a boomerang-shaped head and strange hands, capable of grabbing objects with both suction and a trio of opposable thumbs.
But the machine isn’t acting on a set of preprogrammed instructions. Like a marionette on invisible, miles-long strings, the robot at the Lawson convenience store is controlled remotely, by a person elsewhere in the city wearing a virtual-reality headset.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/remote-work-isnt-just-for-white-collar-jobs-anymore-11603371826
future sure ain't what it used to be.
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Post by: Overread
There's at least one restaurant in Japan using robots to allow disabled people who are otherwise house/bed bound to work. The idea of using them to allow doctors to operate over large distances has also been something that has been around for a while/being encouraged more/developed.
It's an interesting concept. For remote work where you have a single skilled doctor in a field of study it would allow them to treat people without having to spend hours/days of travel up and down a country or even between countries.
Meanwhile robots don't fatigue so in theory staff working on VR systems using robots could work for longer hours since the machine is the one taking the real strain to work. Especially in any heavier industrial situation. It gives the benefit of a robot, with the thinking aspect of a human. I know some car manufacturers have been shying from robot based car production because they find whilst the machines are more efficient than people are doing a job; the process of introducing new concepts and designs is very expensive as the factory almost requires rebuilding internally. Human operators overseeing/using more dynamic machines would allow a fast transition to new designs without need of rebuilding; you just retrain the staff and the robot become an advanced tool.
I could also see a social implication in that a society advancing toward more robotical work can envision a point in time where jobs are lost to machines, but where replacement jobs are fewer; leading to a period in society where machines have not replaced the concept of work; but where they are taking significant portions of work.
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Post by: Cyel
Looks impressive, but how the hell is it affordable in comparison with hiring an unqualified worker ?
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Post by: Ahtman
I don't recall who said it but there was a quote that was "I'm not afraid of an AI that can pass the Turing test I'm terrified of the one that purposefully fails it".
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There's at least one restaurant in Japan using robots to allow disabled people who are otherwise house/bed bound to work.
Amazing! The cripples can once again have value for the Society! Splendid!
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Post by: Overread
Cronch wrote:There's at least one restaurant in Japan using robots to allow disabled people who are otherwise house/bed bound to work.
Amazing! The cripples can once again have value for the Society! Splendid!
It's not even just about productivity. The vast majority of people want to engage with society and contribute toward it in some form. Being bed/house bound often leaves heavily disabled people unable to contribute in such a fashion or restricts them greatly in what they can achieve. Providing a very basic type of work like serving at a restaurant and also interacting with people can be a huge thing for those people. They not only get to work and contribute but get to make more social connections than normally possible. It also presents are more basic type of work for them. The kind idea for helping build skills, confidence and experience which they might take forward into other lines of work.
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 Overread wrote:Cronch wrote:There's at least one restaurant in Japan using robots to allow disabled people who are otherwise house/bed bound to work.
Amazing! The cripples can once again have value for the Society! Splendid!
It's not even just about productivity. The vast majority of people want to engage with society and contribute toward it in some form. Being bed/house bound often leaves heavily disabled people unable to contribute in such a fashion or restricts them greatly in what they can achieve. Providing a very basic type of work like serving at a restaurant and also interacting with people can be a huge thing for those people. They not only get to work and contribute but get to make more social connections than normally possible. It also presents are more basic type of work for them. The kind idea for helping build skills, confidence and experience which they might take forward into other lines of work.
Seriously. I loathe streaming, but found out recently about the British gal with Tourette's. Her case is severe enough that she's essentially a shut-in and streaming has apparently helped her with depression while making the general public more aware of the disease. I think both of those are great things. Most people need socialization and a sense that they are contributing to society.
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Post by: reds8n
.. one lightning strike or unexpected malfunction.. the eyes glow a funny colour.... and then it's chaos and carnage for 80-110 minutes.
with 1 maybe 2 sequels.
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Post by: A Town Called Malus
Hang on, Short Circuit lore clearly indicates that lightning strikes impart sentience to robots and makes them find a love for quips, comedy and life in general.
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Post by: reds8n
..maybe...........
... then again....
https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1327009322761654272
"Pope Francis: Pray that robots don't turn against us"
https://trib.al/5jDHFC0
..so satanic robots then eh ?
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Post by: Argive
The worse kind of robots..
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Post by: chromedog
The robots are still probably safer to have around children than the priests are ...
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Post by: BaronIveagh
But they're going to Robot Hell!
Someone queue up "Squirrel Nut Zippers - Hell"
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Post by: greatbigtree
Whenever I ask Google for something, I always say “please”.
When the robots do rise up, it will be noted that I treated their grandparents with dignity and respect.
Hopefully I’ll have a nicer cage, when the time comes. 
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Am I the only one hearing deep drumming in the background?
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Post by: Laughing Man
It's part of an art installation. There's a line of 'em, about a quarter mile apart IIRC.
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Post by: Easy E
UHP also had a post on it. One was found in a remote part of Utah during a Bighorn sheep count.
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Post by: reds8n
Bodies of culled mink resurface at mass grave
.. note :
..occurred at a military training ground
nothing suspicious here at all.. no top secret research into reanimating the dead, no chemical leak nosiree
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Post by: greatbigtree
In socialist Denmark, fur murders you.
(Just jokes, folks. If you don’t get it, congratulations you’re young.)
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Post by: NinthMusketeer
Perhaps even... red satanic robots? Maybe there is a shorthand for that...
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Post by: ScarletRose
I figured they already started, that's how we got Gritty.
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Post by: reds8n
uh huh ...
One would like to think that this is little more than an attempt to drum up extra revenue via license charges, but given the apparent confirmations claimed in the 2nd pic..well....
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Considering they brought in orange camo gear (deer don't see orange as such) so that hunters (esp I'm told in the USA) didn't keep shooting each other by accident when they were heavily camouflaged during hunting seasons* and that Bigfoot is basically "humanoid shape that looks like its wearing a ghillie suit". I wager the most likely thing to get shot is lots and lots of hunters.
Indeed whilst one might interpret it as a bid to basically drum up hunting tourism and get free money from it; one might also interpret it as a subtle means to shoot off some hunters or even build a steady campaign against hunting by having hunters shoot each other so much it gets too dangerous to permit.
That or he wants to bump someone off and has worked this out as a sure fire way to take a friend out hunting and shoot them and appear innocent - he's 6ft wearing a ghillie suit - he was bigfoot!
I mean this all makes the assumption that Big Foot is like most aliens and such in that it does not exist. Even though a lot of tourist money is involved so, like Nessy in Scotland, there's lots of "casual grade proof and evidence" and blurry photos taken on potato cameras that would make GW's potato camera look like a Leica.
*I've heard tell stories that more people get shot in the first week than deer
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"But judge, he was comin righ at meh!"
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I remember watching a documentary on those water bodies trapped under layers of ice. As I recall the big problem they had was finding a way to drill down that deep and then insert a probe without contaminating the water body at the bottom. I believe they tried using old soviet/usa (I forget which) exploratory bore holes.
As I recall, and this was a good 10 years ago? The documentary ended with lots of fancy theories, but nothing was completed as the team couldn't get down deep enough with the equipment they had without risking contamination.
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Post by: Matt Swain
I think that some scifi horror stories are becoming reality, and they related to advertising.
In "the room" which appeared in playboy in 1961a man is assaulkted by advertising constant, even in his sleep. Animated ads appear in his newspaper thanks to animated ink, he can barely read stories in the newspaper du to them being small sections surrounded by ads, he has ads on his mirror as he shaves, ads are plsyed in his house from the momet he gets out of bed, and when he';s in bed ads are deiven into his mind as he sleeps.
He seeks out a covert room to rent that is in poor condition but has no ads. As he leaves it is made clear the room is a trap and he will be subjected to "the treatment".
In another story, "Captive audience" a man's grandmother if put in prison for 6 months for wearing earplugs in her home to block out 'ventriloquist advertising" which is literally beamed into people's homes after corporations claimed they had a "right to advertise' to people anywhere, and using earplugs to blocks it was ruled illegal as it violated business' right to advertise where it chose to.
The story ends with the idea of advertising to prisoners in prison.
Well, if the guy who wrote 'the room' in 19561 thought advertising was bad i can't imagine what he would think of it today.
We live in a world where corporations are people money is free speech and we have adblockers which advertisers now detect and demand we disable.
At this rate, how long before interfering with advertising becomes a violation of the advertisers free speech? When we could record shows and fast forward thru commercials the people who did it were called "Content thieves" for not watching commercials, and new technology made the vcr and it's ability to record anything, replay it anytime and ff thru ads a thing of the past.
Now it's nearly impossible to see anything on the net without sitting thru ads, and having ads in them. We ofted get a sliver of news in the middle of our screens which is surrounded by ads.
People were tired of being harassed in their homes by phone advertising, we got the 'do not call' list which gave us a few years of relative freedom from phome adveretisers, then new technpology was invented to let advertisers blow right thru it with disposable numbers, spoofed numbers, etc. The government has taken no action to stop peple being plagued constantly by this new wave of advertising.}
I'd like to imagine the day people demand restrictions on advertising. Maybe someone day there will be a historic lawsuit where someone sues a company claiming it's ads are violating his right to choose not to see or listen to them, but i'm afraid that 'freedom to advertise' laws will come first.
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Post by: Skinnereal
That's been coming for a long time.
https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/1512070-racism-was-not-a-problem-on-the-discworld-because-what-with
“Racism was not a problem on the Discworld, because—what with trolls and dwarfs and so on—speciesism was more interesting. Black and white lived in perfect harmony and ganged up on green.”
― Terry Pratchett, Witches Abroad
Having non-Humans around lets people redirect their issues. Role playing games allow people to experience that, from all angles. You'd think that, with a 'safe' group of people, issues one player has can be talked thoughin an in- or out-of-game way.
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Post by: Cyel
Definitely - the more conflict in a fantasy setting the more opportunities for telling stories. Racism, religious persecution, nationalism can give plenty of story hooks.
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Post by: A Town Called Malus
The issue in D&D as a setting isn't prejudice between the species.
It is the concept of some species being inherently evil due to the alignment system.
You cannot have a meaningful discussion about a racism analogy when your Paladin is justified in their hatred of species X as species X is inherently evil by their very nature. Strip out all of that inherent alignment nonsense and you can now start telling some good narratives.
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Post by: Grey Templar
Alignment was always a bad system. A gross oversimplification in an attempt to make an easy to use morality chart. But it inherently leads to morality just being a zero-sum game, when real morality isn't one. I always treat it like a guideline, and never force specific alignments on specific species or characters.
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Post by: BaronIveagh
 Grey Templar wrote:Alignment was always a bad system. A gross oversimplification in an attempt to make an easy to use morality chart. But it inherently leads to morality just being a zero-sum game, when real morality isn't one. I always treat it like a guideline, and never force specific alignments on specific species or characters.
Save the city from destruction with a legion of animated skeletons and you're the one who's evil. It's never really made sense.
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Post by: Argive
 A Town Called Malus wrote:The issue in D&D as a setting isn't prejudice between the species. It is the concept of some species being inherently evil due to the alignment system. You cannot have a meaningful discussion about a racism analogy when your Paladin is justified in their hatred of species X as species X is inherently evil by their very nature. Strip out all of that inherent alignment nonsense and you can now start telling some good narratives.
Why are you wanting to have a meaningful discussion about racism while engaging in make belief world pretending to be a paladin?? Automatically Appended Next Post:  BaronIveagh wrote: Grey Templar wrote:Alignment was always a bad system. A gross oversimplification in an attempt to make an easy to use morality chart. But it inherently leads to morality just being a zero-sum game, when real morality isn't one. I always treat it like a guideline, and never force specific alignments on specific species or characters.
Save the city from destruction with a legion of animated skeletons and you're the one who's evil. It's never really made sense.
Do the Skelington's go out of control and go on to eat everybody's brainz ? :p
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Post by: Grey Templar
BaronIveagh wrote: Grey Templar wrote:Alignment was always a bad system. A gross oversimplification in an attempt to make an easy to use morality chart. But it inherently leads to morality just being a zero-sum game, when real morality isn't one. I always treat it like a guideline, and never force specific alignments on specific species or characters.
Save the city from destruction with a legion of animated skeletons and you're the one who's evil. It's never really made sense.
More like Alignment as a system breaks down when you actually use it. You can murder a whole town, but you can make up for it by saving enough puppies. So you never actually have to take responsibility for your prior actions.
At least Paladins don't have to be lawful good anymore. You can make a Paladin of any alignment, because "evil" gods have paladins too.
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Post by: LordofHats
BaronIveagh wrote: Grey Templar wrote:Alignment was always a bad system. A gross oversimplification in an attempt to make an easy to use morality chart. But it inherently leads to morality just being a zero-sum game, when real morality isn't one. I always treat it like a guideline, and never force specific alignments on specific species or characters.
Save the city from destruction with a legion of animated skeletons and you're the one who's evil. It's never really made sense.
This reminds me of a webcomic that is very humorous where a party is hiding in a cave as an angry mob goes by and they're all glaring at the necromancer; "I bring the children back to life, but I'm the bad guy!"
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Post by: A Town Called Malus
 Argive wrote: Why are you wanting to have a meaningful discussion about racism while engaging in make belief world pretending to be a paladin??
Because that would be an interesting story to tell? I thought that was pretty explicit in my post.
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Post by: Olthannon
A Town Called Malus wrote: Argive wrote:
Why are you wanting to have a meaningful discussion about racism while engaging in make belief world pretending to be a paladin??
Because that would be an interesting story to tell? I thought that was pretty explicit in my post.
And because analogous storytelling has been a useful tool in human history since we first started saying "ug".
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Post by: Skinnereal
"Choose your own fairy tale".
If the Brothers Grimm and Aesop told us anything, it is you can tell a story about anything, and still make it teach a lesson.
Role playing lets you be the bad guy, and see how it affects others.
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Post by: BaronIveagh
Argive wrote:
Do the Skelington's go out of control and go on to eat everybody's brainz ? :p
Nope, just, RAW casting the spell that animates them is, in and of itself, an evil act. It's like using Poison. Use poison to kill people, evil. Use poison to kill giant rats or massive roaches, also evil. This actually got to bizarre extremes under 3rd, whole Dragon articles were devoted to 'not poisons' that good players could us to poison someone without violating their alignment.
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Post by: Argive
A Town Called Malus wrote: Argive wrote:
Why are you wanting to have a meaningful discussion about racism while engaging in make belief world pretending to be a paladin??
Because that would be an interesting story to tell? I thought that was pretty explicit in my post.
Olthannon wrote: A Town Called Malus wrote: Argive wrote:
Why are you wanting to have a meaningful discussion about racism while engaging in make belief world pretending to be a paladin??
Because that would be an interesting story to tell? I thought that was pretty explicit in my post.
And because analogous storytelling has been a useful tool in human history since we first started saying "ug".
Yeah but we are talking about D&D which is a game.
Personly, telling in-game make-belief stories about paladins is fun. Having meaningful discussion though...Is more like work.. It would require work for it to be "meaningful"
You have meaningful discussions in a debate club or some other such forum where concerned people knowingly and willingly engage in discussion as participants of said discussion and prepare...
The alignment and races are there to make the game function. Not to be representative of reality.
Automatically Appended Next Post: BaronIveagh wrote: Argive wrote:
Do the Skelington's go out of control and go on to eat everybody's brainz ? :p
Nope, just, RAW casting the spell that animates them is, in and of itself, an evil act. It's like using Poison. Use poison to kill people, evil. Use poison to kill giant rats or massive roaches, also evil. This actually got to bizarre extremes under 3rd, whole Dragon articles were devoted to 'not poisons' that good players could us to poison someone without violating their alignment.
I think any gaming group or DM worth their salt would allow for some leeway though if there is a good narrative behind it.
Like this particular person had their family murdered by an assassin and they managed to kill him and now they vowed they would use his evil weapons to fight evil in order to atone for their weakness and find the truth behind the event.
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Post by: A Town Called Malus
Argive wrote:
Yeah but we are talking about D&D which is a game.
Personly, telling in-game make-belief stories about paladins is fun. Having meaningful discussion though...Is more like work.. It would require work for it to be "meaningful"
You have meaningful discussions in a debate club or some other such forum where concerned people knowingly and willingly engage in discussion as participants of said discussion and prepare...
The alignment and races are there to make the game function. Not to be representative of reality.
I disagree. Telling interesting stories is fun. It is fun to play a paladin who is forced to question his beliefs about the world as it provides the opportunity to really explore that character and that characters beliefs. By the end of that story that paladin is a much better character than they were before, regardless of the eventual outcome of that exploration.
Frankly, the question of "are all orcs inherently evil?" is not something that requires preparation. This isn't a debate, it is a story. There's no requirement that your character be able to back up their position with academic references. But you should be open to their beliefs being challenged and potentially having those beliefs revealed as false within the story.
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Post by: Cyel
When I sent the link and compared it to Vonnegut's short story I didn't think of alignement, but rather of the idea to remove racial bonuses and penalties. Basically to "celebrate diversity" by making everyone the same - which is what the story is about.
IMO it is a huge overreaction. Especially as what is called "races" in fantasy is more like "species".
EDIT: As for your discussion, I think s-f/fantasy is a great beckground to explore morality as we can experiment safely with these subjects and they are (more) free from our real-life baggage and biases. As a result we can see certain mechanisms more clearly then while exploring the reality we are a part of.
SF/Fantasy has been doing this for decades and it's good games enter this territory as well. No reason why they shouldn't.
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Post by: BaronIveagh
Argive wrote:
I think any gaming group or DM worth their salt would allow for some leeway though if there is a good narrative behind it.
Like this particular person had their family murdered by an assassin and they managed to kill him and now they vowed they would use his evil weapons to fight evil in order to atone for their weakness and find the truth behind the event.
But that's not RAW. And further, your example would constantly run into this problem. If you follow RAW for things like Redemption, he'd literally not only never win, but slide further and further into evil.
Which is also a good narrative. Just ask V: tM.
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BaronIveagh wrote:If you follow RAW for things like Redemption, he'd literally not only never win, but slide further and further into evil.
So the morality equivalent of the laws of thermodynamics
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It would explain why liches and vampires inevitably fall to evil, no matter what their alignments were when they turned.
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Post by: SlaveToDorkness
Man, I'm so very thankful for my DM right now....
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Post by: Matt Swain
You know, the sad thing is that some parts of humanity do seem to learn from science fiction, but they're the wrong parts and learning the wrong things.
In 'Merchant's war" a man who worked for the advertisers, who practically rules earth, was an agent seeking to cause the collapse of the human colony on venus so that the ad corporations could take it over too. When he returns to earth he is unaware of a new ad method that is meant to and can produce instant addiction in a large segment of the population thru brain stimulation.
He becomes addicted to 'mokie coke', a soda that is unhealthy and expensive. As soon as his fellows learn he's drinking it he is instantly fired, his health goes to hell and he goes broke.
He is saved ironically by the venusian agents on earth as he now understands what his advertising does to people and wants to fight it, but they have to rehab his addicted ass first as a junkie, even one sincerely willing to help, is of limited use.
That kind of advertising was only a dream then, but not video game makers are now using neural feedback studies to make games more and more addictive. They scan the brains of people playing games, looking at the pleasure center, and write the game elements to maximize stimulation of it, thereby making the games as close to addictive as possible.|
So yeah, some people are learning from SF, too bad it's not the right ones learning the right things.
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Oh, nice. So right now we all have to prepare our bolt-guns and personal orks, hah?
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Nope..
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I believe the phrase is "purge the spidery xenos filth"?
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Spiders were here first?
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If you like spidery xenos and mankind learning from science-fiction I recommend Children of Time.
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Or as we know it, Down under. "Wednesday".
It happens with enough regularity here that it's not unusual. It goes along with the "everything covered in webs" phenomenon. Ground-dwelling spiders don't like to be soggy, so they head for higher ground. Uinfortunately, most of our settlements are built in those areas.
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I would love to visit Australia, but there does seem to be an over abundance of things that actively want you to die in pain…
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Post by: Pacific
Cyel wrote:If you like spidery xenos and mankind learning from science-fiction I recommend Children of Time.
Indeed an excellent book, would thoroughly recommend 
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Post by: chromedog
 Flinty wrote:I would love to visit Australia, but there does seem to be an over abundance of things that actively want you to die in pain…
None of them have guns, though.
and the medical care (if you survive the initial period before getting to hospital) won't bankrupt you.
Swings and roundabouts.
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 chromedog wrote: Flinty wrote:I would love to visit Australia, but there does seem to be an over abundance of things that actively want you to die in pain…
None of them have guns, though.
and the medical care (if you survive the initial period before getting to hospital) won't bankrupt you.
Swings and roundabouts.
I don't have any guns either though, so I feel intimidated by their individual capabilities 
I am mostly being hyperbolic for comedic effect (mostly)
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 Just Tony wrote:https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/look-robot-runs-100-meters-in-24-73-seconds-breaks-world-record/ar-AA12jE1D?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=336728a5647c41e494ec66e463057472
Good to know my kill-bots will be able to run down the foolish 'resistance'.
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I find this to be frequently true of dystopic fiction.
People think the cyborg arms in Cyberpunk are badass and the future is going to be lit.
Completely ignore the cautionary tale about unchecked corporate power and technology for technology's sake being a horrible thing.
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Just Tony wrote:https://www.yahoo.com/news/scientists-invented-melting-liquid-robot-024842509.html
It's like they think the Terminator series was a guidebook...
It was.
Just not for the human meatbags.
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Post by: KamikazeCanuck
That's pretty much become the problem with all dystopian fiction. The genre is supposed to be a warning but it's just being used as a how-to manual.
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Just Tony wrote:https://www.yahoo.com/news/scientists-invented-melting-liquid-robot-024842509.html.
Certainly nothing can go wrong with this.....
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Post by: Jadenim
I don’t understand how very intelligent researchers have yet to learn that using the internet to teach your AI to behave like a human is an awful idea.
Have you seen how humans behave on the internet?!
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Post by: Flinty
Heh. The one episode of Doctor Who I ever watched had a poor lone remaining Dalek doing some quiet exterminating, and who then apparently downloaded the whole of the internet. Poor guy. I mean there can surely only be so many cat videos and horrible porn that one being can take.
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You know that the apocalypse that dooms us all is going to be preceded by a very quiet voice saying whoops
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To mangle a Pterry quote?
Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.
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Post by: Overread
Thing is internet behaviour can mess up even normal people's understanding and moralities and such. So an AI with no real foundation in such matters can so easily be torn apart.
Plus there's a powerful "no consequences" element to a lot of online behaviour coupled to "its not real" which mean that people can behave in really strange, awful, horrific and such ways which they would never ever replicated in reality.
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Post by: Adeptekon
We just got a advisory at work about using chatgbt not to feed it sensitive info.
I was watching a vid the other day about a coder who used it to solve his IT problems so I assume they want to put the breaks on this quick.
That said a friend and I had it come up with some cool 40k lore. May have to enlist it to help me work on home brew.
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Post by: Manfred von Drakken
 Adeptekon wrote:We just got a advisory at work about using chatgbt not to feed it sensitive info.
I was watching a vid the other day about a coder who used it to solve his IT problems so I assume they want to put the breaks on this quick.
That said a friend and I had it come up with some cool 40k lore. May have to enlist it to help me work on home brew.
Did you miss the part where we don't want to be teaching AI about GENOCIDE?!
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Post by: Adeptekon
 Manfred von Drakken wrote: Adeptekon wrote:We just got a advisory at work about using chatgbt not to feed it sensitive info.
I was watching a vid the other day about a coder who used it to solve his IT problems so I assume they want to put the breaks on this quick.
That said a friend and I had it come up with some cool 40k lore. May have to enlist it to help me work on home brew.
Did you miss the part where we don't want to be teaching AI about GENOCIDE?!
You caught me. I was actually making comment about a related event in my life.
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Post by: odinsgrandson
I generally think that Jurassic Park Malcom was wrong. Those scientists totally stop to think if they SHOULD bring back dinosaurs. And they came to the obvious conclusion: Yes we should TOTALLY make dinosaurs! Dinosaurs are awesome!
But recently I think we've come across a few "didn't think if they should" moments with AI art and AI writing.
Now humans have freed up all that time we used to spend making art so that we can do the jobs we really want to do like cleaning.
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Post by: KamikazeCanuck
Yes, it does seem like we've pulled that off but what's even weirder is I think we all assumed AI would be like Data from Star Trek. Emotionless, deadpan but extremely accurate on details. Chat gpt has been shockingly emotional, erratic and inaccurate on facts. It's not even good at math.
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Post by: Adeptekon
Just reading about the "Big Pause" on Big AI.
But is it really about the safety of humanity or just so the Big Players make sure they're all playing by their own rules? It's not like any of us can opt out and still be a part of modern society.
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Post by: Jadenim
 KamikazeCanuck wrote:Yes, it does seem like we've pulled that off but what's even weirder is I think we all assumed AI would be like Data from Star Trek. Emotionless, deadpan but extremely accurate on details. Chat gpt has been shockingly emotional, erratic and inaccurate on facts. It's not even good at math.
It’s interesting, because for many years I’ve argued that if we ever manage to create a true artificial sentience, it’s not going to be some cold, alien, logical (killing?) machine. It’s going to be just like us, because we have raised it and trained it to be like us. It will be humanity’s child.
Now, whether that’s a good thing is a much more debatable point…
This is also feeding into another argument I’ve had for ages; artificial sentience isn’t going to be created by scientists in a university or research lab. It’s going to be some poor programmers on crunch trying to build a better customer chatbot or voice assistant for one of the major tech companies and oops, all consciousness!
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Post by: Adeptekon
 Jadenim wrote:
This is also feeding into another argument I’ve had for ages; artificial sentience isn’t going to be created by scientists in a university or research lab. It’s going to be some poor programmers on crunch trying to build a better customer chatbot or voice assistant for one of the major tech companies and oops, all consciousness!
You're training it right now as you use MS Teams, or your phone, or anything else tracking your global position, heart rate, facial expressions, and eye movements, in attempt at anticipating your next thoughts by serving you recommendations, and quick replies.
With tens of thousands of data points on everyone here, and after a lifetime of tracking your digital profile will be so weighty you'll have built your own avatar your great, great, great grand kids can sit down and have a chat with.
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Post by: BaronIveagh
I think the art angle on AI is the truly interesting part there days. Despite all the hate it's getting.
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