Aeneades wrote: Looking at the female with skull again she may be Val, the wildling princess rather than Mellisandre which would suggest the second starter is Nightswatch vs Wildlings.
I agree that she's almost certainly a wildling but I can't see her being Val (or Dalla). Can't think why she'd be wearing bones and carrying a skull. I'd have gone more along the lines of her being a generic Wildling Woods Witch attachment or whatever name they give them.
She meets the description of Val down to the Weirwood face on her shoulder and bone fastenings on her clothes. It is of course possible that she's some other wilding loosely based on Vals description.
http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Val
Aeneades wrote: Looking at the female with skull again she may be Val, the wildling princess rather than Mellisandre which would suggest the second starter is Nightswatch vs Wildlings.
I agree that she's almost certainly a wildling but I can't see her being Val (or Dalla). Can't think why she'd be wearing bones and carrying a skull. I'd have gone more along the lines of her being a generic Wildling Woods Witch attachment or whatever name they give them.
She meets the description of Val down to the Weirwood face on her shoulder and bone fastenings on her clothes. It is of course possible that she's some other wilding loosely based on Vals description.
http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Val
Ah, I'd clearly not remembered the detail about the Wierwood carving (been a long time since I've read them and to be honest I can't think why I'd remember that detail anyway...). May very well be her then. Still can't explain the Skull or the skeletal decoration (bit more than 'bone fastenings IMO'). That said, probably more likely than not it's Val now you've mentioned the carving.
I just heard from a friend at Gencon who went into this one with a fair bit of cynicism, that said the folks demo'ing and CMoN really won him over.
Apparently the NCU, and unit-attachment systems add a lot of nuance to a very lean/simple rule set.
Supposedly if the game does well they've already got design work done on 5-6 more full army lists as well, including the more fantastical elements of Westeros.
In the end I threw $1 at the KS in case I wanted some cheap terrain, but i'm thinking there might be something to do this one, if it finds a bit of an audience.
Still, man... Spring is going to be a blood-bath. This, Star Wars Legion, Fallout, and a recently launched Necromunda, all vying for miniature game sales, alongside a now renewed 40k.... I don't envy new players trying to build a group/playerbase for XYZ.
I'm in for Song of ice and fire, Fallout and if it is compatible with Imperial Assault figures then maybe starter for Legion as I already have all IA releases including multiple of all the early troop boxes.
Someone attending Gencon asked about the models so can now confirm who they are.
(all taken from the main unofficial facebook group)
Top left is Qhorin Halfhand. Top right is a Freefolk Thenn warrior. Bottom left is Sam. Bottom right is Gilly.
Left is Cold hands but they are resizing his elk to make it bigger. Middle is Val. Right is a generic mounted ranged Freefolk model.
The catapult is a Nights Watch unit.
They also confirmed that the Nights Watch will be a dedicated faction rather than mercanaries. No word on whether the Free Folk will be part of Night Watch, independent faction or mercenaries.
As mush as I enjoy the night's watch and the wildlings, I would much rather establish the other major factions in the War of the 5 Kings first. Stark and Lannister were a good choice. Now we need Baratheons (both Renely and Stannis), the Greyjoys, and the Tyrells (though their position is slightly different since they never had a player from their own house for the throne). As fun as it is to have white walkers and dragons, I think it would annoy potential players if CMoN skipped their houses after just doing the Starks and Lannisters.
Just my two cents, but I hope the original rumors of a Baratheon vs Greyjoy/Tyrell starter are true.
Models like that stag totally would have gotten me to back this, and I'll definitely consider one of the new factions at retail. Here's hoping it does well!
I think baratheon (encompassing the tyrells) and just grey joy would be fine for the other kings. I don't think we need a stannis faction. Stannis faction is essentially a merc faction with a couple of knights attached anyway. Until Renly died and gave him the stormlords. So Renly forces work for both.
so the pictures I saw of this had minis and tokens/cards all cramped on a very small space. This is a big turn off for me. I'd rather see this played over a 6x4 table with some scope for movement. The minis look great so I may just grab them and adapt different rules if I don't like the system. Hopefully it scales up to a larger table.
bullyboy wrote: so the pictures I saw of this had minis and tokens/cards all cramped on a very small space. This is a big turn off for me. I'd rather see this played over a 6x4 table with some scope for movement. The minis look great so I may just grab them and adapt different rules if I don't like the system. Hopefully it scales up to a larger table.
Standard game is 4x4, larger is 6x4 the small tables from Gencon where just demo tables to give a quick overview as they can't set up full sized games on the display floor.
It would be pretty hilarious if the game was played on a table that size. "I'm going to charge my guys through the political board here on the side and move 0 inches because everything had to deploy in melee to begin with to fit on the table"
Hulksmash wrote: I think baratheon (encompassing the tyrells) and just grey joy would be fine for the other kings. I don't think we need a stannis faction. Stannis faction is essentially a merc faction with a couple of knights attached anyway. Until Renly died and gave him the stormlords. So Renly forces work for both.
Renly died before fighting a battle, Stannis' forces have fought in two major ones so far plus the Battle on Ice teased in the next book. Baratheon bannermen figures could do double duty for either king but saying Renly deserves a faction and Stannis doesn't is silly.
Hulksmash wrote: I think baratheon (encompassing the tyrells) and just grey joy would be fine for the other kings. I don't think we need a stannis faction. Stannis faction is essentially a merc faction with a couple of knights attached anyway. Until Renly died and gave him the stormlords. So Renly forces work for both.
Renly died before fighting a battle, Stannis' forces have fought in two major ones so far plus the Battle on Ice teased in the next book. Baratheon bannermen figures could do double duty for either king but saying Renly deserves a faction and Stannis doesn't is silly.
I would be very surprised if House Baratheon didn't include Robert, Stannis and Renly in order to give you the option of fighting battles throughout the timeline of the books or making up your own alternate scenarios.
Their timeline for the game starts from Robert's death so he's unlikely to feature. (this is also the reason Lady was removed from Sansa's sculpt as she was already dead at this point).
Hulksmash wrote: I think baratheon (encompassing the tyrells) and just grey joy would be fine for the other kings. I don't think we need a stannis faction. Stannis faction is essentially a merc faction with a couple of knights attached anyway. Until Renly died and gave him the stormlords. So Renly forces work for both.
Renly died before fighting a battle, Stannis' forces have fought in two major ones so far plus the Battle on Ice teased in the next book. Baratheon bannermen figures could do double duty for either king but saying Renly deserves a faction and Stannis doesn't is silly.
I would be very surprised if House Baratheon didn't include Robert, Stannis and Renly in order to give you the option of fighting battles throughout the timeline of the books or making up your own alternate scenarios.
Considering the Starks get Ned, I'm sure all of the brothers will be featured. If we get Robert, I hope we also get Rhaegar.
You could probably just put Renly at the head of the Tyrell army instead as they made up the bulk of his force, then Stannis can have the Baratheon force.
Hulksmash wrote: I think baratheon (encompassing the tyrells) and just grey joy would be fine for the other kings. I don't think we need a stannis faction. Stannis faction is essentially a merc faction with a couple of knights attached anyway. Until Renly died and gave him the stormlords. So Renly forces work for both.
Renly died before fighting a battle, Stannis' forces have fought in two major ones so far plus the Battle on Ice teased in the next book. Baratheon bannermen figures could do double duty for either king but saying Renly deserves a faction and Stannis doesn't is silly.
I would be very surprised if House Baratheon didn't include Robert, Stannis and Renly in order to give you the option of fighting battles throughout the timeline of the books or making up your own alternate scenarios.
Considering the Starks get Ned, I'm sure all of the brothers will be featured. If we get Robert, I hope we also get Rhaegar.
Their timeline starts immediately after Robert's death, they've been pretty firm with that so far so I doubt he'll be involved (or Rheagar).
They did though (I think...) confirm that the license did theoretically extend into 'historical' events within the series so Robert's Rebellion could feature. Not for a very long time though. It's not like they've not got much material just from the main narrative.
So tempted to buy when it hits retail.
Hopefully a skirmish rule set down the line.
So many models at once might be a bit overwhelming to buy and paint.
That would make unit and hero boxes $28 if MSRP stays $35, at $30 on KS they do include a KS exclusive sculpt - there's not too much difference here not nearly as much as MD at retail.
There's $316 worth of boxsets (at discounted retail price) in the pledge level plus tokens and a few other heroes (some KS exclusive) that aren't in any boxes yet.
I wouldn't be too worried. I just opened up part of my Massive Darkness shipment and I am really impressed with how far they've come with one-piece plastics. No one will confuse them with top-tier GW, but they're really excellent, especially for the KS price.
If it's the standard CMoN plastic, it would require either a coat of paint or studio lighting to photograph properly, so those shots are probably not a good representation of final detail.
Then again, if it really is CMoN plastic, I would suggest keeping your expectations average.
His Master's Voice wrote: If it's the standard CMoN plastic, it would require either a coat of paint or studio lighting to photograph properly, so those shots are probably not a good representation of final detail.
Then again, if it really is CMoN plastic, I would suggest keeping your expectations average.
Average is a great way to describe the miniatures. I saw these at gencon this year and they were squarely in the OK / Good category. I think most people will enjoy them, just don't expect to be wowed by them.
Production And Delivery
As we announced some time back, we experienced a production delay, which unfortunately causes ripple effects through the whole process- not only does it just push the overall time-table back, but in doing so it also means each of those steps might experience issues due to re-scheduling as well. We've been working to collect all the information we have so we can get a full view of the new timetable. It has taken some time (as these things do) but we have the following to share regarding new timetables and the general flow of things:
Mass Production should be completed and ready to ship towards the end of May.
From there, it will be around a month shipping overseas to our worldwide hubs.
After arrival at port, some time needs to be accounted for customs, regional travel, and warehouse arrival/sorting.
All in all, the game should be shipping from the local hubs and arriving to your doors in August.
If anything changes in regards to this, we will of course update you accordingly.
I haven't been following this that closely, but is there any word from CMON about future factions or Houses, like Dorne or the Unsullied etc? (Dorne would get me into the game in a heartbeat!)
richstrach wrote: I haven't been following this that closely, but is there any word from CMON about future factions or Houses, like Dorne or the Unsullied etc? (Dorne would get me into the game in a heartbeat!)
Nothing concrete yet about what's next but all the major House factions will be getting done one way or another (some may end up being neutral/mercenary to reflect their shifting alleigences). Smart money is on Nights Watch and Wildlings next though there have been rumours of Baratheon (Stannis version) getting in on that side of things (which makes narrative sense after a fashion).
Appatently there is a LOT of stuff ready and waiting to release alongside the game when it hits retail (on, I believe August 31st). Probably a different starter set as well.
Personally I'd guess at a Targeryan (Dany) faction to be a bit further down the line so they can get a handle on balancing the more conventional forces against each other and letting the playerbase get to grips with the game before they let loose some of the more esoteric or highly specialised things like dragons, Unsullied, Dothraki etc. That logic kind of goes out the window if Wildlings are indeed on the way next with all their Wargs, Gianty goodness (and maybe mammoths...).
I received a promo pack of captains at the weekend from a competition win. Really happy with the detail level on the Miniatures although will wait for my pledge to arrive rather than paint the promos.
Aeneades wrote: I received a promo pack of captains at the weekend from a competition win. Really happy with the detail level on the Miniatures although will wait for my pledge to arrive rather than paint the promos.
That from the Facebook group (I'm just curious)?
I really couldn't have any complaints about the miniatures at the Expo demo. Very crisp detail and surprisingly chunky models. Not quite at GW levels (though few, if any, are) and obviously all pre-assembled but a huge step from board game plastics I think some were dreading. The HIPs weapons are the real difference compared to Zombicide, Blood Rage and the like which could suffer from (ahem) 'droopage'.
Don't suppose you fancy measuring the bases for me?
30mm bases (I think I just replied to your post on Facebook asking the same).
And, yep, the prize was from the Facebook group
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richstrach wrote: I haven't been following this that closely, but is there any word from CMON about future factions or Houses, like Dorne or the Unsullied etc? (Dorne would get me into the game in a heartbeat!)
Nights Watch have now been announced as the next faction -
The Night’s Watch starter set will release on October 26 along with five other expansions, following three Heroes expansions releasing on September 28.
A third faction will emerge onto the tabletop battlefield with the release of the Night’s Watch starter set. This boxed set includes a complete Night’s Watch force, with two units of Sworn Brothers, one unit of Veterans of the Watch, a unit of Ranger Trackers, and heroic leaders to command them including Jon Snow, the Direwolf Ghost, and Jeor Mormont. In addition, the set has dice, tokens, terrain, and the other components needed to play the game.
The Night’s Watch starter set comes with 47 pre-assembled unpainted miniatures, a rulebook, 83 cards, a measuring stick, 71 tokens, 1 tactics board, 11 dice, 5 movement trays, 10 terrain pieces, and 3 castle walls. MSRP is $79.99.
Night’s Watch forces can be expanded with miniatures from three sets releasing in October:
Sworn Brothers adds another unit of core troops for the arm, equipped with strong armor and two-handed greatswords. This set includes 13 unpainted miniatures (12 Sworn Brothers and 1 Watch Captain), a unit card, an attachment card, and a movement tray. MSRP is $34.99.
A ranged element can be added to the army with the Ranger Hunters expansion, featuring a dozen archers, a unit card, and a movement tray. MSRP is $34.99.
Meanwhile, the Builder Scorpion Crew adds a siege engine to the force, which includes a large projectile launcher and its three-man crew on a large movement tray, as well as two unit cards. MSRP is $34.99.
The other factions also get some reinforcements in October:
For House Stark, the Umber Greataxes offer a versatile and flexible unit. This set has a dozen axemen, a unit card, and a movement tray for MSRP $34.99.
House Lannister, meanwhile, can turn to the arcane Pyromancers to add some firepower to their forces thanks to their volatile green “substance.” This unit comes with a dozen figures, a unit card, and a movement tray. MSRP is $34.99.
The Night's Watch look great - I'm seriously tempted now, and I like that you seem to get all the extra stuff in the box with them too (so there's no need to buy the full Stark v Lannister starter box if you don't want either of those forces).
Nightswatch looking good nice and dynamic poses, it makes more sense to buy 2 starters at $80 each than single units at $35. I assume the terrain and castle walls are card like the main box for that price.
I find the Pyromancers quite dull by comparison and having them as a unit is odd as well.
For anyone wondering about UK prices Wayland have the $34.99 sets listed at MSRP GBP£32.99 before their 10% discount so the starter set should be around £75 before discount.
Stark Heroes - Brynden Tully, Eddard Stark, Bran Stark, Hodor, and the direwolf Summer - $34.99
Lannister Heroes - the Hound, Tyrion, Lord Tywin, Maester Pycelle, and the High Sparrow. - $34.99
Neutral Heroes 1 - Roose Bolton, Ramsay Snow, Reek, Petyr Baelish, and Lord Varys - $34.99
October 26th
Night's Watch Starter - $79.99
47 pre-assembled unpainted miniatures
24 Sworn Brothers
2 Watch Captains
4 Veterans of The Watch (cavalry TBC)
12 Ranger Hunters
John Snow, Ghost, Jeor Mormont, Maester Aemon, Ser Alliser Thorne (TBC)
I decided my birthday this year will occur on the day the kickstarter arrives. I am going to try to get the grandkids hooked on strategy and tabletop games this summer, so here we go. I am hoping I can make a unique Kingdoms of Men army for KoW as well as play the game as designed, perhaps even put together a fresh Empire army for Oldhammer or T9A if I can find some players. Any thoughts on how this will stack up to Conquest by Para Bellum?
It's a small point but I don't like that the Umber Greataxe standard-bearer also has a greataxe! What is he supposed to use it for? Either he just stands there and gets hacked to gobbets, or he drops the standard in the mud so he can actually use the axe. Not very well thought through really.
24 Sworn Brothers
12 Veterans of the Watch (Infantry)
4 Ranger Trackers (these are the cavalry and are armed with bows)
2 Watch Captains
John Snow, Ghost, Maester Aemon, Jeor Mormont, Bowen Marsh
The Ranger Hunters are a separate 12 man archers box and are not the same as the Ranger Trackers as was first thought.
The Free Folk have now been announced as the next faction for a November release.
Hailing from north of The Wall, the Free Folk are more concerned with their nomadic lifestyle than the squabbles between the great Houses. But when they venture south, they are viewed as invaders. With the Free Folk Starter Set, players will be able to field an army of these wandering warriors.
The set includes everything needed to play the game using a Free Folk army, including two complete units of Free Folk Raiders and Savage Giants plus a unit of Free Folk Trappers and characters to lead the army, for a total of 44 miniatures (supplied unpainted). Also included are 84 cards, 1 measuring stick, 71 tokens, 1 board, 11 dice, 5 movement trays, 10 terrain pieces, and 3 castle wall pieces. MSRP is $79.99.
The basic units in the Starter Set can be reinforced by units in four new expansion sets releasing at the same time:
The Crannogman Trackers set offer 12 lightly-armored bowmen plus a Crannogman Warden Unit Attachment, plus 1 unit card, 1 attachment card, and 1 movement tray. MSRP is $34.99.
The Free Folk Raiders set comes with a dozen of these low-cost but hearty warriors who specialize in swarming tactics and fighting in pairs, led by a Raid Leader Unit Attachment, as well as 1 unit card, 1 attachment card, and 1 movement tray. MSRP is $34.99.
Free Folk women are just as dangerous as the men, as indicated by the Spearwives set. This set has 12 warriors plus a Spearwife Matriarch Unit Attachment, 1 unit card, 1 attachment card, and 1 movement tray. MSRP is $34.99.
Rounding out the initial Free Folk forces is the Savage Giants set. These oversized combatants are effectively mobile siege engines that get more angry the more damage they take. A pair of giants is included in the set, along with 2 unit cards and 2 movement trays. MSRP is $34.99.
The forces of House Lannister also receive some reinforcements in November with the Lannister Halberdiers set, which includes 12 men-at-arms equipped with poleaxes and trained to stand firm against enemy charges. An Assault Veteran Unit Attachment, 1 unit card, 1 attachment card, and 1 movement tray round out the set. MSRP is $34.99.
Can’t post pictures from my phone but available here -
The release also includes a New Stark unit and Games Night Kit 2 (really hope these are made available outside the US as the contents have really improved this time).
Now that the first Australian backers have received their pledge I am getting more and more impatient. The quality of the miniatures seems to be great according to the feedbacks.
Guess it will take another month for the EU citizens ...
I'm sad I missed this KS. I'm not a fan of the shows, but for generic low fantasy dudes this game can't be beat. I'll be picking up the Night's Watch set plus a number of miscellaneous boxes at retail.
I convinced myself not to back the KS because I would get one of the other factions. Unfortunately for my wallet it looks like I was right! The Free Folk look great!
angel of death 007 wrote: Interesting how they are previewing preorders and have not yet released the main game.
Surely it makes perfect sense to preview the different available factions before the game is released?
Unless you are referring to the Lannister/Stark starter set, which is not the 'main game' in the same was no 40k starter set is. It is just a Lannister/Stark starter set that they made available through KS.
Pledge arrived today. Purchased two of the terrain boxes, didn't appreciate just how big they would be! (on top of all the space taken up by two core pledges, 3 maps and two of all unit addons not in the main pledge).
There are some nice models here - nothing to make me buy though as my unpainted and unused pile is near unsurmountable .
If they do Dothraki cavalry may have to get as I have not got any 28mm (ish) Scythian types.
The sheer amount of models and the details of the models in the boxed set was astounding. I am glad I got the scenery too. There was definately a lot of value in this kickstarter and it looks like it will keep going with the expansions which is excellent.
I have to give this 10 out of 10 stars, the models and terrain are great, the iron thrown is fantastic! I will never paint this many models though, so I came up with something doable, movement trays and bases green to match the tree bases, then pick out the weapons, shields and coat of arms on the surcoat, and leave the rest the base faction colors. is anybody out there going to try and tackle a full paint job, love to see pictures its when done!
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Damn, those Lannisters look really good. Had I the space for them, I'd totally get them. Was House Tully in the initial release as well, or are they slated for a later release? Of the armies shown in the campaign, I think they were probably my favorite.
Barzam wrote: Damn, those Lannisters look really good. Had I the space for them, I'd totally get them. Was House Tully in the initial release as well, or are they slated for a later release? Of the armies shown in the campaign, I think they were probably my favorite.
Tully is lightly represented currently. They have one unit, the sworn shields. Brenden Tully is also represented as a character on foot or mounted. In the delux book they mention some mounted troops too, but they have not yet been seen, so for now at least they are just Stark units with the Tully keyword.
Miniature Market still have their customer hold system? Because that makes a huge difference if we don't need to hit the shipping threshold in one order.
BobtheInquisitor wrote: Miniature Market still have their customer hold system? Because that makes a huge difference if we don't need to hit the shipping threshold in one order.
Yes, they have Customer Hold. I usually pick up Daily Deals through the year, then reach threshold during a major sale! Maybe they'll have another one around Christmas??
EDIT: Customer hold threshold at $75. No customer hold during Backrooms sales, though. ):
Maybe they'll have another one around Christmas??
