Is Hollywood so devoid, so bankrupt of ideas, that they're re-hashing two bit superheroes from yesteryear?
Good god almighty!
There was a time you could look upon America and say, they gave us the Godfather, they gave us Mark Twain, Harry Truman, back to the future, the Sherman tank, krispy kreme donuts, Snyder's pretzels, Leslie Neilsen (Canadian ) John Candy (yeah he's Canadian but he went to Hollywood) John Landis (is he Canadian ) and of course, Clint Eastwood.
and so on and so on, and say, Yeah, America, good stuff. But nowadays.
Breotan wrote: At least this WW costume is a decent looking one.
Overall it isn't to bad, but the color palette, though it may be the lighting making it seem darker, and having heels on a combat outfit are my only complaints.
How far along are they in production (and how early in the production was this shot taken?). There could still be time to make changes.
Overall, I think the design of costume is ok, but it could use some gold trim to it, I think. The eagle part should definitely be very visible. And lose the heels.
I think the suit looks great and she looks great in it. She's clearly put on weight. Besides, WW has never looked like a female bodybuilder. Something more like a long, lean volleyball player build is a more realistic athletic shape for a woman anyway.
I don't understand why this gets so much attention when ScarJo looks even less athletic than Godot. Her posterior is glorious in the catsuit, but it's the result of eating bon-bons and not working out in the gym.
I really have to see the teaser footage. I know the movie is going to take some notes from The Dark Knight Returns, but I'm wondering if it'll borrow some from that story of their first meeting post-Crisis (which was more adversarial than friendly).
There's also talk that the studio is very happy with the script for BvS, and wants Terrio to write JL also.
gorgon wrote: I think the suit looks great and she looks great in it. She's clearly put on weight. Besides, WW has never looked like a female bodybuilder. Something more like a long, lean volleyball player build is a more realistic athletic shape for a woman anyway.
In all but her Linda Carter iteration Diana has had some pretty real definition in both her arms and her legs.
And she's an amazon. She should basically look like Camille Leblanc-Bazinet.
Breotan wrote: I just hope they don't make her a female Superman like they did in the comics. She wasn't born like us but she shouldn't be tank tossing either.
Isn't she a demi-goddess? SO throwing tanks around sounds about right - let hope its as good as the Marvel films - DC still has a lot of catching up to do
LordofHats wrote: I rather liked the depiction of Wonder Woman in Justice League: War. The proud confident warrior with little to no knowledge of the world.
Eh...she seemed too derp in that movie for me, and her attitude towards Superman was a bit gacky as well. I liked her more in the DCAU version of Justice League, where her voice actress not only did a phenomenal job but she was really well-developed as a character, particularly in her relationship with the Batman.
Grimskul wrote: Eh...she seemed too derp in that movie for me, and her attitude towards Superman was a bit gacky as well.
Her thing with supes was a clear nod to her dating him in the comics (I have no idea if they still are) at the time of the release.
I liked her more in the DCAU version of Justice League, where her voice actress not only did a phenomenal job but she was really well-developed as a character, particularly in her relationship with the Batman.
Also agree. That was a damn fine Wonder Woman performance. Martian Manhunter too, but as I understand it, Martian Manhunter is too stupid for movies
Breotan wrote: I just hope they don't make her a female Superman like they did in the comics. She wasn't born like us but she shouldn't be tank tossing either.
Didn't it leak that in BvS they were going the direction of Wonder Woman being a Kryptonian who was on Earth for a lot longer than Clark?
Breotan wrote: I just hope they don't make her a female Superman like they did in the comics. She wasn't born like us but she shouldn't be tank tossing either.
Didn't it leak that in BvS they were going the direction of Wonder Woman being a Kryptonian who was on Earth for a lot longer than Clark?
I think that the Amazonians were descendents of the survivors of the crashed ship they found in MoS, but that is just rumor.
I like it, I know it doesn't follow the bright blue and red suit but people always go on about realism so a brown/dark leather armour would be much more in line with what she'd wear.
I think she has a great body for the Amazon warrior type, genetically women aren't built to put on muscle like men do so her sword style would be more one of speed rather than heavy crushing blows and she's got the whole demi-goddess thing so it's not like she'd need to work out and get crazy buff to lift things.
The sword looks like it's on a strange angle so it might be longer than the pic makes it out to be.
However, why in the fething heck is she wearing wedges (heels with the solid one piece according to the missus)? Is she trying to roll an ankle because she's definitely going to. I've seen girls twist and fall walking down the street in these, how is she going to go into combat on rugged terrain and not have to crawl away because her ankle broke so badly that her foot is facing the wrong way?
At least Gadot's ethnicity is more in line with the region that Amazons would be from rather than the Caucasian look we've had for the past seventy years.
gorgon wrote: I think the suit looks great and she looks great in it. She's clearly put on weight. Besides, WW has never looked like a female bodybuilder. Something more like a long, lean volleyball player build is a more realistic athletic shape for a woman anyway.
In all but her Linda Carter iteration Diana has had some pretty real definition in both her arms and her legs.
I think your exhibit supports my point more than yours, counselor. Even in the comic book world of exaggerated musculature, she's never been 'ripped.'
Isn't she a demi-goddess? SO throwing tanks around sounds about right - let hope its as good as the Marvel films - DC still has a lot of catching up to do
I hope they never "catch up" to the drek that was the Thor films, Iron Man sequels, Incredible Hulk, etc.
Breotan wrote: I just hope they don't make her a female Superman like they did in the comics. She wasn't born like us but she shouldn't be tank tossing either.
Didn't it leak that in BvS they were going the direction of Wonder Woman being a Kryptonian who was on Earth for a lot longer than Clark?
I think that the Amazonians were descendents of the survivors of the crashed ship they found in MoS, but that is just rumor.
It was a theory thrown out there by the guy on the Batman-on-Film site. That's all. He even followed up saying that it was just him talking after the nerdrage gakstorm that followed.
The thing is that both the prequel comic to MoS and Snyder's wife (the producer) have suggested that it's Supergirl (Kara Zor-El) who found her way to Earth on the ship. So to me it doesn't sound like they're related. I suspect the Amazons will have a different origin or be left somewhat unexplained. Are we even likely to see much of Paradise Island/Themyscera until the WW solo film?
On the subject if heels. It bugged me for a bit, also until the thought hit me that this is in a movie where people fly, shoot heat rays out of their eyes, fly invisible planes(possibly), have rope that forces people to tell the truth, are fast and tough enough to fend off bullets with braclets, etc.
After all of the above and more, a set of heels is really nothing.
Relapse wrote: On the subject if heels. It bugged me for a bit, also until the thought hit me that this is in a movie where people fly, shoot heat rays out of their eyes, fly invisible planes(possibly), have rope that forces people to tell the truth, are fast and tough enough to fend off bullets with braclets, etc.
After all of the above and more, a set of heels is really nothing.
I don't think it's so much like "Oh there's no way she can fight in a pair of heels", for me it's more, she's a warror first and foremost. She's trained in combat since birth practically, she'd know that sturdy footwear is just as important as any shield or sword. I just can't imagine anyone who's ever trained for combat would think heels were an acceptable form of footwear.
Relapse wrote: On the subject if heels. It bugged me for a bit, also until the thought hit me that this is in a movie where people fly, shoot heat rays out of their eyes, fly invisible planes(possibly), have rope that forces people to tell the truth, are fast and tough enough to fend off bullets with braclets, etc.
After all of the above and more, a set of heels is really nothing.
Thing is, those are lumpable under "Superpowers". The ankle-breakers are just there to make her calves look toned. Superpowers or no, wearing those things in a fight IS FREAKING STUPID.
Breotan wrote: I just hope they don't make her a female Superman like they did in the comics. She wasn't born like us but she shouldn't be tank tossing either.
Isn't she a demi-goddess? SO throwing tanks around sounds about right - let hope its as good as the Marvel films - DC still has a lot of catching up to do
Hercules and Perseus couldn't do any of that stuff and they were actually said to be demigods. So no, throwing tanks sounds about wrong.
Besides, back in the 80s and before she didn't have Superman like strength (usually) and couldn't survive in space or even fly on her own. She's been on a slow power creep (like Codex creep in 40k) for some time now.
Ahtman wrote: I don't recall her wearing heels (in combat) in the comics; it doesn't make sense for her character. It isn't a deal breaker but it is kind of stupid.
I think you (and I) probably weren't old enough to remember her in heels. It looks like she did back in the day. I was around 4 when this was on racks:
You know how hard it is to climb a rope ladder in 4 inch heels? The trick is to hold your foot completely sideways so the heel and the toes are lined up on the rungs.
Pumping iron gives you muscle. It doesn't, and can not, change your actual body-shape. It can't give you an ass, or change your hip-waist ratio.
Lifting weights will make her arms and legs a little bigger, or more tone, and will give her a flat stomach. It's not going to give her Diana's body-type. Even adjusting for comic books' absurd female-proportions, it won't give her the body shape to be Diana.
But oh well. I've already accepted that that's going to be the case. The only thing I have left to hope for is that the character will at least be well written, and not just be "the chick" while Superman and Batman do all the "man business".
Not to the degree required, even with infinite time. Your body-shape isn't defined by just fat/muscle ratio; bone structure plays a large part of it. You can't drastically alter your body shape in the way she'd need to to resemble Diana anymore than lifting weights would make me tall enough to resemble Shaq.
BlaxicanX wrote: Not to the degree required, even with infinite time. Your body-shape isn't defined by just fat/muscle ratio; bone structure plays a large part of it. You can't drastically alter your body shape in the way she'd need to to resemble Diana anymore than lifting weights would make me tall enough to resemble Shaq.
That depends on age as the development of skeletal muscle has a significant on skeletal growth, but we're getting OT.
Pumping iron gives you muscle. It doesn't, and can not, change your actual body-shape. It can't give you an ass, or change your hip-waist ratio.
Actually, it very much can... However, this change only happens within the form of the body type the person already has, whether it's Endomorph, Ectomorph or Mesomorph:
What working out will do for her, depending on whether she is one type or another, is definitely provide more definition, which is what some here are sort of complaining about.
I doubt it matters that she isn't physically that huge. Look at Hugh Jackman - tall actor, short Wolverine, lots of camera tricks pulled it off. Same for Chris Hemsworth, who isn't a gigantic guy.
Ensis Ferrae wrote: Actually, it very much can... However, this change only happens within the form of the body type the person already has, whether it's Endomorph, Ectomorph or Mesomorph:
"You actually can change your body-type, it's just that change will only be within the parameters of your body-type."
. . .
Ouze wrote: I doubt it matters that she isn't physically that huge. Look at Hugh Jackman - tall actor, short Wolverine, lots of camera tricks pulled it off. Same for Chris Hemsworth, who isn't a gigantic guy.
I don't think anyone cares if she's huge or not. I've noticed that alot of people seem to care that she's flat as a board and basically size zero with toned arms, though.
I don't think anyone cares if she's huge or not. I've noticed that alot of people seem to care that she's flat as a board and basically size zero with toned arms, though.
She's a runway model, that's basically par for the course.
Ensis Ferrae wrote: Actually, it very much can... However, this change only happens within the form of the body type the person already has, whether it's Endomorph, Ectomorph or Mesomorph:
"You actually can change your body-type, it's just that change will only be within the parameters of your body-type."
. . .
Shape... the guy I quoted was talking about body shape.... Again, you can change your SHAPE, within the TYPE of body you have. Yes, It's harder for ectomorphs to put on bulk and look like Ronnie Coleman, but they can look just as defined, and be as strong. on the flip side, it's extremely difficult for a Mesomorph to end up looking like Bruce Lee, because when they workout, they tend to bulk up easier than slim down.
You're technically right, but I think the distinction between "body-shape" and "body-type" is pretty semantic for a discussion where the people involved aren't, like... physicians or something.
Ouze wrote: I doubt it matters that she isn't physically that huge. Look at Hugh Jackman - tall actor, short Wolverine, lots of camera tricks pulled it off. Same for Chris Hemsworth, who isn't a gigantic guy.
Hemsworth is 6'4" and muscular, so he's hardly a little guy.
Ouze wrote: Huh. He seemed a lot more normal size in Cabin in the Woods.
He might have been slimmer in the movie. He had a role where he played a race car driver where he had to slim down considerably.
Also his other co-stars were at least slightly taller than average in the case of the blonde and the stoner, a few inches above average like the lead girl, and fairly tall like the other guy who was 6'2".
I've disagreed with the casting of Gal Gadot from the very beginning. My disagreement stems from that, imo,:
A)She isn't a very convincing actress
B)She has the wrong body type
and
C)While she may have served in the Isreali defense force her performance in the Fast and the Furious franchise left me unconvinced as to her being able to carry an action movie.
If DC wanted someone convincing then they had 2 candidates from the last Superman movie.
Fortunately for DC the new Fantastic Four movie looks like it will be the worst comic book movie since the first Hulk . If they come out at the same time it will either be good for this Wonder blunder or they just might kill of any future comic hero live action films.
Relapse wrote: On the subject if heels. It bugged me for a bit, also until the thought hit me that this is in a movie where people fly, shoot heat rays out of their eyes, fly invisible planes(possibly), have rope that forces people to tell the truth, are fast and tough enough to fend off bullets with braclets, etc.
After all of the above and more, a set of heels is really nothing.
Thing is, those are lumpable under "Superpowers". The ankle-breakers are just there to make her calves look toned. Superpowers or no, wearing those things in a fight IS FREAKING STUPID.
What I am talking about,though, is suspension of disbelief. If you can accept the story premise that people have these powers, what's the deal with heels? Maybe they're needed for some secret Amazonian fighting style that involves giving a short person that extra couple inches of height that allows them to kick someone up the side of the head! Or maybe Wonder Woman has a height complex! To me the whole heel rage is, as it says in the bible, "swallowing a camel, yet straining at a gnat".
What is so distinctive about Wonder Woman anyway? People seem to fear that she might be "Super WoMan" but...well...what makes her so different? She has super-strength and a Lasso of Truth (dear lord...). So...?
I hope they never "catch up" to the drek that was the Thor films, Iron Man sequels,
Nice joke - considering the dull, turgid, overlong, characterless crap that passes for Nolens work......
I odnlt have any issues with her having super strenght (or not) if she has divine (or inhuman) heritage then thats enough for me. Lets face most of recent superman/Kryptonian powers made no sense - if people are fine with their powers - Amazonians can have anything they want.
If she is "just" a well trained human then yeah there should be limitations...............
Relapse wrote: On the subject if heels. It bugged me for a bit, also until the thought hit me that this is in a movie where people fly, shoot heat rays out of their eyes, fly invisible planes(possibly), have rope that forces people to tell the truth, are fast and tough enough to fend off bullets with braclets, etc.
After all of the above and more, a set of heels is really nothing.
Thing is, those are lumpable under "Superpowers". The ankle-breakers are just there to make her calves look toned. Superpowers or no, wearing those things in a fight IS FREAKING STUPID.
What I am talking about,though, is suspension of disbelief. If you can accept the story premise that people have these powers, what's the deal with heels? Maybe they're needed for some secret Amazonian fighting style that involves giving a short person that extra couple inches of height that allows them to kick someone up the side of the head! Or maybe Wonder Woman has a height complex! To me the whole heel rage is, as it says in the bible, "swallowing a camel, yet straining at a gnat".
Superpowers: Don't exist in the real world. There are no physics they need to apply to, as the basic concept of the movie is "This person breaks the rules, it's why you are watching".
Heels: Do exist in the real world. We know how physics apply to them (g=-9.81m/s^2). They exist to add tone and height to a woman's legs. We know they are detrimental to a fight. So why would Wonder Woman wear what would really be a handicap in a fight? Because the producers decided that she needed "Sexin-up". That's what's frustrating about heels; they are suggesting that we aren't getting a tough, competent female character. Instead, we get a pin-up girl.
I actually wouldn't be bothered if they were running them with a really campy Blue-and red ensemble. In that case, the whole costume is ridiculous enough that Heels keep to the same mood (Campy). However, in toning the colour palate down, they are declaring that they want to have a more serious looking costume... Only to trip over the heels. It's like they went "Hey, all these successful movies turn down the camp, lets do that!" without really understanding what went into it.
Here's a slight recoloring to the original image from screenrant.com (I was wondering if anyone had tried recoloring the costume, and found this one in a google search).
Just to show that the muted colors may be more a product of this stylized image than the costume itself, we’ve re-saturated the photo to show that the red, blue, and gold colors are still very much at work in the design. See what you think:
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Yep, looks better than the various shades of brown the original picture shows.
Ouze wrote: Huh. He seemed a lot more normal size in Cabin in the Woods.
He's tall, but not big. His reported weight is ~210, which is rather skinny given his height of 6'4. And he, like many actors, has dropped weight for given roles. It's also common for male actors to carry most of their weight in their upper body, as that's what gets shown on screen.
Ensis Ferrae wrote: Actually, it very much can... However, this change only happens within the form of the body type the person already has, whether it's Endomorph, Ectomorph or Mesomorph:
Isn't the idea of those body types considered as medically sound as chiropractics? I recall it being called out as inaccurate, but don't recall much else tbh.
I actually don't mind it-they've had a lot of super heroines able to fight in heels, and it's been prominent in the Injustice game (batgirl, Catwoman, Wonder Woman, etc). The heels look thick, which'll give better balance. I don't mind her look at all. I actually think ALL the costumes look good. I think the director sucks, which makes me leery, but of all the complaints and fears I have, the costumes are way down on the ladder.
Also, in N52, she's the daughter of Zeus and an Amazonian. Perseus and Hercules were both Zeus and a human. She should be more powerful than both of them because of her mother's added abilities.
Ensis Ferrae wrote: Actually, it very much can... However, this change only happens within the form of the body type the person already has, whether it's Endomorph, Ectomorph or Mesomorph:
Isn't the idea of those body types considered as medically sound as chiropractics? I recall it being called out as inaccurate, but don't recall much else tbh.
ya know, I'm really not sure... I think it could be one of those things where, similar to BMI, it can give you a good "big picture" but when used on an individual level isn't very useful?
I was hoping for it to be the various shades of brown; Wonder Woman started out as an Amazon Warrior who then came to america to act as a diplomat, correct?
Would have been kind of cool to see her going from "Rank and File Demigoddess" into "Ambassador to the Red White and Blue in Red White and Blue".
Most of my wonder women knowledge comes from the recent DC animated film with Nathan Fillion in it. She seemed pretty darn kickass in that.
The plot there was her mother prayed to Zeus for a child, he bade her to fashion a daughter out of sand and clay, which was given life to by a lightning strike.
It also included her being dressed in the USA colours because Nathans character was an American pilot that crashed there and she was to act as an ambassador by returning him home.
Compel wrote: Most of my wonder women knowledge comes from the recent DC animated film with Nathan Fillion in it. She seemed pretty darn kickass in that.
The plot there was her mother prayed to Zeus for a child, he bade her to fashion a daughter out of sand and clay, which was given life to by a lightning strike.
It also included her being dressed in the USA colours because Nathans character was an American pilot that crashed there and she was to act as an ambassador by returning him home.
It's a mixture of the Golden Age(the plane crash part) and Modern Age(her being made from clay) origins.
Well.. its sorta of like the DCNU costume.. which isn't too bad, but totally cast the wrong woman to play Wonder Woman, needed to find a lady who looks like she punch Bat's into the ground if she wanted to.
When my wife is saying 'give that woman a sandwich' you know its not a great casting call.
Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote: Well.. its sorta of like the DCNU costume.. which isn't too bad, but totally cast the wrong woman to play Wonder Woman, needed to find a lady who looks like she punch Bat's into the ground if she wanted to.
When my wife is saying 'give that woman a sandwich' you know its not a great casting call.
So you want someone whose big as a house to play Wonder Woman instead of someone with acting skills? Isn't that the same argument against Chris Hemsworth as Thor?
(Disclaimer, I've never heard of this lady whose playing Wonder Woman, but I'd much rather have someone who can act over someone who looks the part when the looks can be altered when needed)
Chris Hemsworth is one of the reasons I really like the Thor franchise so that's a terrible example tbh, but I'm not sure where you are coming from. Chris is an excellent point, he put on a lot of muscle for Thor, why should a female lead be exempt? Oh and Gal is hardly known for her awesome acting skills.
Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote: Chris Hemsworth is one of the reasons I really like the Thor franchise so that's a terrible example tbh, but I'm not sure where you are coming from. Chris is an excellent point, he put on a lot of muscle for Thor, why should a female lead be exempt? Oh and Gal is hardly known for her awesome acting skills.
He's playing a Norse God, supposed to stand head and shoulders over everyone else in Mythology, and yet is played by someone who is barely taller than anyone in the Avengers. Chris was a choice based on acting and not physical presence.
Also, Heath Ledger was also decried as a terrible choice for Joker, but we all saw how that turned out.
Depends if you are talking to comic fans or not, I find most comic fans thought he made a fine anarchist character, but he was in no sense of the word, the Joker.
He's playing a Norse God, supposed to stand head and shoulders over everyone else in Mythology, and yet is played by someone who is barely taller than anyone in the Avengers.
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Well now you just don't know what you're talking about.
Renner 5'10
Downey Jr 5'9
Chris Evans 6'0
Ruffalo 5'8
At nearly 6'4 Hemsworth IS a head taller than all of them, save the one that is the genetically enhanced super soldier.
Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:Depends if you are talking to comic fans or not, I find most comic fans thought he made a fine anarchist character, but he was in no sense of the word, the Joker.
He's playing a Norse God, supposed to stand head and shoulders over everyone else in Mythology, and yet is played by someone who is barely taller than anyone in the Avengers.
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Well now you just don't know what you're talking about.
Renner 5'10
Downey Jr 5'9
Chris Evans 6'0
Ruffalo 5'8
At nearly 6'4 Hemsworth IS a head taller than all of them, save the one that is the genetically enhanced super soldier.
The only person he's a full head taller than is Scarlet.
And just so you don't say "It's a bad picture":
In both, you can clearly see that Hemsworth, while taller, isn't "Head and shoulders" taller than anyone but the Black Widow. Is he taller? Yes. Is he as tall as he should be? No.
In both, you can clearly see that Hemsworth, while taller, isn't "Head and shoulders" taller than anyone but the Black Widow. Is he taller? Yes. Is he as tall as he should be? No.
Problem is, how many actors out there are 6'7" + in height, or tall enough to literally be head and shoulders taller, AND have the skill, physique and presence to appropriately play the character? There's a reason films are edited/shot in such a way to portray the characters how they "should" be seen.
And I think that's why so many people, here anyways, are drawing such criticism for the casting of WW... It would appear that in order to provide her an appropriate level of "Amazon Warrior", she'll either need to work out a helluva lot more, OR they're gonna need to do something in the editing room.
Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote: Depends if you are talking to comic fans or not, I find most comic fans thought he made a fine anarchist character, but he was in no sense of the word, the Joker.
Considering that the Joker constantly reinvents himself, comic fans are talking out their rears on that one.
This person doesn't look like a body builder but she looks like a fighter. She also looks like she could fight Ares with being scared.
I'm not convinced that the Gal Godot in the pic as Wonder Woman does either of those things. It may be different in motion, but she still doesn't quite come across as a warrior of any type, but a supermodel looking angry while doing cosplay. Hopefully it works out in the final product. There were a lot of issues in MoS, but the did a good job with Faora.
So a picture to show off wonder woman where she doesn't have even a hint of definition in her arms and legs. Good call.
I've adjusted to Afleck as Bats. His recent work and his love for the character makes me cool with it. I don't think I'll ever be cool with Gadot as WW. Not when she was in a film side by side with a better one or there are people like http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1335291/?ref_=tt_cl_t2 (Missy Peregrym) who have shown they can have the required muscle tone and presence.
Muscle tone contributes nothing to a fight. A casual glance informs me that Gadot's put on more muscle than the average woman, but the problem, if it is one for you, is that she has a naturally very lean build.
And I think that's why so many people, here anyways, are drawing such criticism for the casting of WW... It would appear that in order to provide her an appropriate level of "Amazon Warrior", she'll either need to work out a helluva lot more, OR they're gonna need to do something in the editing room.
This:
Spoiler:
isn't what people are "hoping for"
rather something more like:
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Couldn't agree more. The girl on the right is a ring girl, though, so that's not the best comparison. Gal Gadot just needs to bulk up a little bit, IMO.
A naturally lean form would actually make it easier to see cuts in her arms and definition in her legs. Is she above her normal 110lbs? Probably. But she pales in comparison to women generally doing similar roles (i.e. action).
As for her body build lean generally means you can get cut arms and defined legs more easily. Not bulk but definition, which would have gone a long way on her looking the part.
And since they didn't pick her for her "acting" abilities it's an even bigger issue.
Her leanness is a problem because she's like a size 1 (internet lists her as a 0, but, benefit of the doubt), and there's not a whole lot pumping iron can do to change that.
BlaxicanX wrote: Her leanness is a problem because she's like a size 1, and there's not a whole lot pumping iron can do to change that.
Not saying it isn't a problem. I'm just saying she could mitigate it a bit by actually working out so that she is cut. Instead of posing as Wonder Woman with zero defined muscle.
A naturally lean form would actually make it easier to see cuts in her arms and definition in her legs. Is she above her normal 110lbs? Probably. But she pales in comparison to women generally doing similar roles (i.e. action).
As for her body build lean generally means you can get cut arms and defined legs more easily. Not bulk but definition, which would have gone a long way on her looking the part.
And since they didn't pick her for her "acting" abilities it's an even bigger issue.
It'd be easier to see if she dropped more fat. you mean.
Yes, that's because most women who see "action" be it a MMA fighter or whatever don't have an incredibly thin, fragile build like Gadot. She's 5'9" and 110 pounds normally apparently, and this is without being excessively thin (As far as I can tell).
When I say "lean", I mean in terms of her bone structure, by the way.
Not saying it isn't a problem. I'm just saying she could mitigate it a bit by actually working out so that she is cut. Instead of posing as Wonder Woman with zero defined muscle.
Like she's been doing?
Gal Gadot isn't going to fulfill your expectations of a brawny amazonian Wonder Woman because she simply doesn't have the build for it.
BlaxicanX wrote: Her leanness is a problem because she's like a size 1 (internet lists her as a 0, but, benefit of the doubt), and there's not a whole lot pumping iron can do to change that.
Well, there is, but she has to think about her larger career; which extends beyond playing Wonder Woman. And significant changes in physique necessarily deform the skin, something that's basically a career ender for a runway model.
No, she just doesn't have the time or the willingness to create an amazonian physique.
You do realize that Gerard Butler, Hugh Jackman, and The Rock all start intensive workout regimen over a year before the first shot is ever taken in order to create larger, more defined physiques right? I mean, take a look at them in some previous movies as compared to 300, X-Men/Wolverine, and Hercules. It really isn't a matter of time, because if the director of the film wanted a more amazonian look, he probably would have requested the same.
Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote: Well.. its sorta of like the DCNU costume.. which isn't too bad, but totally cast the wrong woman to play Wonder Woman, needed to find a lady who looks like she punch Bat's into the ground if she wanted to.
When my wife is saying 'give that woman a sandwich' you know its not a great casting call.
So you want someone whose big as a house to play Wonder Woman instead of someone with acting skills? Isn't that the same argument against Chris Hemsworth as Thor?
(Disclaimer, I've never heard of this lady whose playing Wonder Woman, but I'd much rather have someone who can act over someone who looks the part when the looks can be altered when needed)
Exactly. There's entirely too much nerdrage over the *wrong things* (heels, lack of resemblance to a moose, etc.). The primary question with the casting of Godot is her acting ability. The visual stuff will take care of itself, especially since that's the director's strength.
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kronk wrote: I hope superman starts saying "Up up, and away!" when he flies away.
That was a thing he did, right? If he was cool, he'd say it.
That and "THIS IS A JOB FOR...SUPERMAN!" He didn't say that even once in MoS. Thanks a lot Snyder, you stinking hack.
Hey kids, if you're bored at work, see how many times in an average work day you can say "THIS IS A JOB FOR [INSERT YOUR NAME]!" in normal conversation.
You do realize that Gerard Butler, Hugh Jackman, and The Rock all start intensive workout regimen over a year before the first shot is ever taken in order to create larger, more defined physiques right? I mean, take a look at them in some previous movies as compared to 300, X-Men/Wolverine, and Hercules. It really isn't a matter of time, because if the director of the film wanted a more amazonian look, he probably would have requested the same.
Yes, but none of them are runway models, and all of them have enough clout (and are of the right sex) to get away with some stretch marks. As to the Amazonian look: he probably would have cast someone else if he had better options, or was allowed to do so.
Also, Gerard Butler's physique in 300 is basically all airbrushed, same with every other Spartan in that movie. That isn't to say they weren't well-built guys, merely that their physiques were enhanced.
Not seeing what the problem is. She looks fine, maybe a little angry. If people can get around the whole Demigoddess + Alien with christ complex + billionaire with Dexter complex + fishboy making sandwiches for the team thing, I don't think its an issue.
The thing is, though, she has the chance to become THE definitive Wonder Woman for the next 20 years with this role. I would think she would want to give it all she's got for that chance. Because, if successful, she wouldn't need to be a runway model anymore, or any modeling she does would then be on her terms.
) and of course, Clint Eastwood.
Not sure the sword is big enough but I guess its what you do with it that counts................
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