I'm sure this could have infuriated the hardcore conservatives and Obama-haters out there, but I bet everyone else can't help but have a giggle. This guy has the ability to simultaenously enter the fray and stay above the fray.
I looked into his eyes and saw his soul, and once I saw the crucifix hanging from his strong neck and falling onto his powerful, Russian chest, I knew I had found the right dictator for me.
Weren't you aware of Congress' rhetoric during the GW Bush years? Just as bad... if not worse. (geez, remember the SCOTUS' case over Al Gore regarding the "hanging chad"? )
Yeah, if I were in a situation with a business partner where anything and everything I tried to do, whether good or bad, was met with obstinacy and/or hostility, I wouldn't be able be able to maintain this kind of good humor.
Strong public speaking skills and an awareness of pop culture that makes him seem "cool" unfortunately don't equate to actual results, since the ideas he's peddling are either couched in ignorance, at best, or socialism, at worst.
His ability to impress the young generation not withstanding, this says more about the (unfortunate) state of the young generation than it does about his abilities as president.
NuggzTheNinja wrote: since the ideas he's peddling are either couched in ignorance, at best, or socialism, at worst.
His ability to impress the young generation not withstanding, this says more about the (unfortunate) state of the young generation than it does about his abilities as president.
I'm not in the young generation, FWIW.
Anyway, you do realize the US has been a socialist country for quite a long time, right?
NuggzTheNinja wrote: since the ideas he's peddling are either couched in ignorance, at best, or socialism, at worst.
His ability to impress the young generation not withstanding, this says more about the (unfortunate) state of the young generation than it does about his abilities as president.
I'm not in the young generation, FWIW.
Anyway, you do realize the US has been a socialist country for quite a long time, right?
OK, I mean both the Democtratic Party and Republican Party are de facto socialist organizations. I just see alot of confusion over what the term means, glad to see you understand.
NuggzTheNinja wrote: since the ideas he's peddling are either couched in ignorance, at best, or socialism, at worst.
His ability to impress the young generation not withstanding, this says more about the (unfortunate) state of the young generation than it does about his abilities as president.
I'm not in the young generation, FWIW.
Anyway, you do realize the US has been a socialist country for quite a long time, right?
jasper76 wrote: Social Security, Medicaid, Medicare, federal student loans, HUD, FEMA.
Need I go on?
Those are social programs... doesn't make the country "socialist". Big distinction dude.
So programs arent part of the government? Part of the country? I didn't say or mean that the US is exclusively socialist, it is just one of many adjectives that describes our system of government.
(from Merriam-Webster) Socialism: System of social organization in which private property and the distribution of income are subject to social control; also, the political movements aimed at putting that system into practice. Because “social control” may be interpreted in widely diverging ways, socialism ranges from statist to libertarian, from Marxist to liberal. The term was first used to describe the doctrines of Charles Fourier, Henri de Saint-Simon, and Robert Owen, who emphasized noncoercive communities of people working noncompetitively for the spiritual and physical well-being of all (see utopian socialism). Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels, seeing socialism as a transition state between capitalism and communism, appropriated what they found useful in socialist movements to develop their “scientific socialism.” In the 20th century, the Soviet Union was the principal model of strictly centralized socialism, while Sweden and Denmark were well-known for their noncommunist socialism.
jasper76 wrote: Social Security, Medicaid, Medicare, federal student loans, HUD, FEMA.
Need I go on?
Those are social programs... doesn't make the country "socialist". Big distinction dude.
So programs arent part of the government? Part of the country? I didn't say or mean that the US is exclusively socialist, it is just one of many adjectives that describes our system of government.
Okay... but words have meaning.
At "what degree" does a country need to be "Centrally Planned" in order to be considered a "Socialist Country"?
Don't know the answer to that quesion. If a country, such as the US, is heavy with socialist programs, I think its not a bridge too far to call it a "socialist country".
But this is all academic, I'm willing to say that our country is choc-ful-o' socialist programs fully supported by all major political parties, and move on.
It will be interesting to see what will happen when the pre and intra cold war generations start dying off how attitudes in Americaland towards "socialism" change.
They do indeed, and I will be very happy the day that america learns what socialism is. And when they put the letter 'u' back into all those words...
At "what degree" does a country need to be "Centrally Planned" in order to be considered a "Socialist Country"?
Zero? One does not require central planning to be a socialist country.
<whembly: HAL... what does Central Planning Means?>
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<HAL: Centrally Planned Economy. Definition of 'Centrally Planned Economy' An economic system in which economic decisions are made by the state or government rather than by the interaction between consumers and businesses.>
<whembly: thanks HAL!>
Has the world gotten so grim that people of differing opinions can't desire to open communications with one another to try and see how other people think?
It is not that you have a different opinion, it is how you present it and defend it. It is like the old adage that the only common link between you and all your failed relationships is you. If you are always being called a troll it may not be because people just have a differing opinion.
They do indeed, and I will be very happy the day that america learns what socialism is. And when they put the letter 'u' back into all those words...
At "what degree" does a country need to be "Centrally Planned" in order to be considered a "Socialist Country"?
Zero? One does not require central planning to be a socialist country.
<whembly: HAL... what does Central Planning Means?>
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<HAL: Centrally Planned Economy. Definition of 'Centrally Planned Economy' An economic system in which economic decisions are made by the state or government rather than by the interaction between consumers and businesses.>
<whembly: thanks HAL!>
*HAL = Google
Aaaand missing entirely the point that socialism does not have to use central planning?
Yay! Party for all except Whembly (because we wpuld not want to be TOO socialist now, would we ).
Has the world gotten so grim that people of differing opinions can't desire to open communications with one another to try and see how other people think?
It is not that you have a different opinion, it is how you present it and defend it. It is like the old adage that the only common link between you and all your failed relationships is you. If you are always being called a troll it may not be because people just have a differing opinion.
Well, its really just you who are always calling me a troll (and now, I guess, Frazzled).
If you think I'm a troll, that's fine by me. I don't have too much of a need to be liked. In any case, being a troll is never my intent, and I do regularly have meaningful conversations with people with opposing views on these boards, so please kindly just put me on Ignore and move on, rather than tone-trolling me.
NuggzTheNinja wrote: Strong public speaking skills and an awareness of pop culture that makes him seem "cool" unfortunately don't equate to actual results, since the ideas he's peddling are either couched in ignorance, at best, or socialism, at worst. .
And this is the real problem. American politics have become so adversarial that nothing can get done.
Also, you walked right into the criticism Obama levied against conservative members of Congress, that was not wise. Be better.
jasper76 wrote: Well, its really just you who are always calling me a troll (and now, I guess, Frazzled).
Actually you referred to yourself as such, I just used the verbiage you brought up. If I were to think you were a troll it wouldn't be because I disagree with you, it would be because I think you are disingenuous and purposefully trying to rile people.
Sure then, well you posted accusing me of posting "bait". In your mind, perhaps this isnt the same as calling me a troll, I guess.
And now you're accusing me of being "disingenuous" and "trying to rile people".
The Ignore button. Hit it, and I go away forever.
But don't expect me to change my tone or limit my desire to discuss issues I find interesting because these things apparently rub you the wrong way. To my knowledge, I have never broken any dakka rules (other than accidental duplicate posts). If you'd like me to shut up, maybe you should apply for a moderator position. As always, I submit to the discretion of the moderators as a condition of every single thread I start and every single post I make.
jasper76 wrote: Well, its really just you who are always calling me a troll (and now, I guess, Frazzled).
Actually you referred to yourself as such, I just used the verbiage you brought up. If I were to think you were a troll it wouldn't be because I disagree with you, it would be because I think you are disingenuous and purposefully trying to rile people.
I'd be more willing to say that how the public perceives "how good a president is" determines the public opinion... Ie. if the public perceives the president is not doing anything to help old ladies cross the street, then they'll think he's a bad president, and their opinion of him will be low as a result of that.
But don't expect me to change my tone or limit my desire to discuss issues I find interesting because these things apparently rub you the wrong way. To my knowledge, I have never broken any dakka rules (other than accidental duplicate posts). If you'd like me to shut up, maybe you should apply for a moderator position. As always, I submit to the discretion of the moderators as a condition of every single thread I start and every single post I make.
But don't expect me to change my tone or limit my desire to discuss issues I find interesting because these things apparently rub you the wrong way. To my knowledge, I have never broken any dakka rules (other than accidental duplicate posts). If you'd like me to shut up, maybe you should apply for a moderator position. As always, I submit to the discretion of the moderators as a condition of every single thread I start and every single post I make.
That chip on your shoulder must be pretty heavy.
I get tone-trolled by you an Ahtman, and I'm the one with a chip on my shoulder? I give up. Your feelings about me have been made plain. Cheers and good health to both of you!
Frazzled, you're welcome and free to Ignore me, or apply for a moderator job and censor my posts as you see fit, as well.
In any case, cheers and good health!
I was a Mod. They kicked me out. And where's the justice in that? Just because a man makes a little mistake with a flame thrower and the Louvre and BAM! he's out. No Justice no Peace!
But don't expect me to change my tone or limit my desire to discuss issues I find interesting because these things apparently rub you the wrong way. To my knowledge, I have never broken any dakka rules (other than accidental duplicate posts). If you'd like me to shut up, maybe you should apply for a moderator position. As always, I submit to the discretion of the moderators as a condition of every single thread I start and every single post I make.
That chip on your shoulder must be pretty heavy.
I get tone-trolled by you an Ahtman, and I'm the one with a chip on my shoulder? I give up. Your feelings about me have been made plain. Cheers and good health to both of you!
Wrong guy. I'm not Ahtman, I'm Frazzled, prince of wiener dogs.
Discalimer: Nothing in this post was intended to offend anyone. Nothing about this post is insincere; it is a simple statement of fact. Nothing about this post is disingenuous; I really do mean what I am saying here. Nothing in this post is intended to rile people up.
NuggzTheNinja wrote: Strong public speaking skills and an awareness of pop culture that makes him seem "cool" unfortunately don't equate to actual results, since the ideas he's peddling are either couched in ignorance, at best, or socialism, at worst. .
And this is the real problem. American politics have become so adversarial that nothing can get done.
Also, you walked right into the criticism Obama levied against conservative members of Congress, that was not wise. Be better.
Congress is right. Obama is wrong. You are not the sole arbiter of judgment.
Frazzled wrote: Here's the problem. Making Congress look stupid is easy, but it gets you nowhere. Working with Congress, thats hard.
Making fun of Congress: child's play
Working with Congress: how adults play
OK, now we get to what you actually object to. I am inclined to agree with you, however the way I see things, Obama hasn't gotten anywhere trying to work with Congress in the past, and they are not doing much constructive now (for example, futile and repeated attempts to repeal the ACA could be replaced by worthwhile efforts to try and improve the law). The opposition was obstructionist from Day 1 up to the present day, even on issues where there is mutual agreement, and some Republicans have even admitted that they believe they cannot let Obama be successful at anything, because to do so would give them a disadvantage against Democrats during elections. In my opinion, this tactic is extremely unhealthy for the country, whether it is employed by Democrats or Republicans.
But all I meant by posting this was to point out that Obama can be pretty funny whilst taking jabs at Congress, moreso than any of his predecessors in my living memory have been, who have taken more of a mean-spirited and humorless approach at criticizing Congress in the media.
But all I meant by posting this was to point out that Obama can be pretty funny whilst taking jabs at Congress, moreso than any of his predecessors have been, who have taken more of a mean-spirited and humorless approach at criticizing Congress in the media.
I don't know man... I can't think of anyone else beating the narcissism of Obama's "I won" statement.
But all I meant by posting this was to point out that Obama can be pretty funny whilst taking jabs at Congress, moreso than any of his predecessors have been, who have taken more of a mean-spirited and humorless approach at criticizing Congress in the media.
I don't know man... I can't think of anyone else beating the narcissism of Obama's "I won" statement.
I'm not familiar with that statement. The article does a terrible job at putting it in context; the conversation that led to the statement is left entirely to the reader's imagination.
But all I meant by posting this was to point out that Obama can be pretty funny whilst taking jabs at Congress, moreso than any of his predecessors have been, who have taken more of a mean-spirited and humorless approach at criticizing Congress in the media.
I don't know man... I can't think of anyone else beating the narcissism of Obama's "I won" statement.
But all I meant by posting this was to point out that Obama can be pretty funny whilst taking jabs at Congress, moreso than any of his predecessors have been, who have taken more of a mean-spirited and humorless approach at criticizing Congress in the media.
I don't know man... I can't think of anyone else beating the narcissism of Obama's "I won" statement.
I'm not familiar with that statement.
Honest question: when did you start paying attention to politics?
The article does a terrible job at putting it in context; the conversation that led to the statement is left entirely to the reader's imagination.
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One White House official confirmed the comment but said he was simply trying to make a larger point about bipartisan efforts.
“There are big things that unify Republicans and Democrats,” the official said. “We shouldn’t let partisan politics derail what are very important things that need to get done.”
That wasn’t Obama’s only jab at Republicans today.
In an exchange with Rep. Eric Cantor (R-Va.) about the proposal, the president shot back: “I won,” according to aides briefed on the meeting.
“I will trump you on that.”
Not that Obama was gloating. He was just explaining that he aims to get his way on stimulus package and all other legislation, sources said, noting his unrivaled one-party control of both congressional chambers.
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But all I meant by posting this was to point out that Obama can be pretty funny whilst taking jabs at Congress, moreso than any of his predecessors have been, who have taken more of a mean-spirited and humorless approach at criticizing Congress in the media.
I don't know man... I can't think of anyone else beating the narcissism of Obama's "I won" statement.
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One White House official confirmed the comment but said he was simply trying to make a larger point about bipartisan efforts.
“There are big things that unify Republicans and Democrats,” the official said. “We shouldn’t let partisan politics derail what are very important things that need to get done.”
That wasn’t Obama’s only jab at Republicans today.
In an exchange with Rep. Eric Cantor (R-Va.) about the proposal, the president shot back: “I won,” according to aides briefed on the meeting.
“I will trump you on that.”
Not that Obama was gloating. He was just explaining that he aims to get his way on stimulus package and all other legislation, sources said, noting his unrivaled one-party control of both congressional chambers.
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Not much better. What exactly did Eric Cantor say before he said that?
Something like:
"You should take our ideas seriously, because when it comes down to it, you didn't win that election fairly?"
Or something like:
"We really want to work with you to come to compromise solutions on issues that are important to us.I know elections have consequences, but do you think you can try and come together at the negotiating table in the spirit of bipartisanship?"
Context needed.
As for when I started paying attention to politics, not entirely sure...well before Obama. It is likely I was just not following the news at this particular point in time. I am not being disingenuous here (sorry, I suddenly feel a need to say this), I honestly had not heard about this before.
NuggzTheNinja wrote: Strong public speaking skills and an awareness of pop culture that makes him seem "cool" unfortunately don't equate to actual results, since the ideas he's peddling are either couched in ignorance, at best, or socialism, at worst.
His ability to impress the young generation not withstanding, this says more about the (unfortunate) state of the young generation than it does about his abilities as president.
You heard it here from NuggzTheNinja first folks. Socialism: The Worst, also Kids Today.
Obama says "I win": most narcissistic statement by a president ever.
Bush getting himself flown to an aircraft carrier, declaring "Mission accomplished" even though none of the actual reasons we went to war were accomplished, with the war going on for many more years afterwards and the majority of our soldiers getting killed after this picture was taken: doesn't do it for you.
Bush's missions acomplished was a "we won" moment,
at best a celebration of a shared victory, at worst (more likely) a delusion of granduer.
Obama's tone is one of narcissim and condecending towards anyone who isnt on his side at best, at worst he is trolling the country/congress/ect.
not that one is better or worse then the other, but at least with bush I could laugh at him and say "what do you expect, hes an idiot" with obama... i dont have such an easy excuse for why hes so horrible... which is a shame because I really wanted to like the president this time :(
Impossible for me to want either side to win at this point. And now this nonsense "gotcha" politics is streaming down into the population where we are CELEBRATING someone doing what they can to not work with Congress/President.
d-usa wrote: Obama says "I win": most narcissistic statement by a president ever.
Bush getting himself flown to an aircraft carrier, declaring "Mission accomplished" even though none of the actual reasons we went to war were accomplished, with the war going on for many more years afterwards and the majority of our soldiers getting killed after this picture was taken: doesn't do it for you.
In fact, in his speech aboard the USS Abraham Lincoln, Bush declared: “Our mission continues.” Here's some key bits of that speech:
--“The transition from dictatorship to democracy will take time, but it is worth every effort. Our coalition will stay until our work is done and then we will leave and we will leave behind a free Iraq.” --“Our mission continues. Al Qaida is wounded, not destroyed.” --“The battle of Iraq is one victory in a war on terror that began on September the 11th, 2001 and still goes on.” --“America and our coalition will finish what we have begun.”
curran12 wrote: Impossible for me to want either side to win at this point. And now this nonsense "gotcha" politics is streaming down into the population where we are CELEBRATING someone doing what they can to not work with Congress/President.
curran12 wrote: Impossible for me to want either side to win at this point. And now this nonsense "gotcha" politics is streaming down into the population where we are CELEBRATING someone doing what they can to not work with Congress/President.
Ummm....I guess this is aimed at me???
The way I saw the video, it was a humorous appeal to Congress to work with him, rather than continue obstructionist tactics. At worst, it was an attempt to expose that tactic to voters, but I don't think that is a bad thing. If you're representatives are busy at work wasting your money on lawsuits that will go nowhere and the repeal of the ACA which will only ever be possible if Republicans gain simultaneous control the House, Senate, and White House, they are wasting your money and should be calle out on it, IMO.
curran12 wrote: Impossible for me to want either side to win at this point. And now this nonsense "gotcha" politics is streaming down into the population where we are CELEBRATING someone doing what they can to not work with Congress/President.
I'm with Curran on this one. Our system is FUBAR and the common citizen isn't making it any better by toeing the party line of whatever side they happen to be on rather than being at least tolerant(if not open-minded) to just listening to differing opinions.
Discalimer: Nothing in this post was intended to offend anyone. Nothing about this post is insincere; it is a simple statement of fact. Nothing about this post is disingenuous; I really do mean what I am saying here. Nothing in this post is intended to rile people up.
Title: Obama the Most Gifted President in Living Memory at Making Congress Look Foolish
Content: I'm sure this could have infuriated the hardcore conservatives and Obama-haters out there, but I bet everyone else can't help but have a giggle. This guy has the ability to simultaenously enter the fray and stay above the fray.
it is a simple statement of fact. No facts are in your title or content, just opinions. Learn a book.
Nothing about this post is disingenuous; I really do mean what I am saying here. I believe this statement.
Nothing in this post is intended to rile people up. I do not believe this statement.
d-usa wrote: Obama says "I win": most narcissistic statement by a president ever.
Bush getting himself flown to an aircraft carrier, declaring "Mission accomplished" even though none of the actual reasons we went to war were accomplished, with the war going on for many more years afterwards and the majority of our soldiers getting killed after this picture was taken: doesn't do it for you.
In fact, in his speech aboard the USS Abraham Lincoln, Bush declared: “Our mission continues.” Here's some key bits of that speech:
--“The transition from dictatorship to democracy will take time, but it is worth every effort. Our coalition will stay until our work is done and then we will leave and we will leave behind a free Iraq.”
--“Our mission continues. Al Qaida is wounded, not destroyed.”
--“The battle of Iraq is one victory in a war on terror that began on September the 11th, 2001 and still goes on.”
--“America and our coalition will finish what we have begun.”
You're spinning D... hard.
Are you, the King of "gotcha" and "how stuff feels is more important than anything" trying to say that context matters and that statements should not be evaluated in isolation?
curran12 wrote: Impossible for me to want either side to win at this point. And now this nonsense "gotcha" politics is streaming down into the population where we are CELEBRATING someone doing what they can to not work with Congress/President.
I'm with Curran on this one. Our system is FUBAR and the common citizen isn't making it any better by toeing the party line of whatever side they happen to be on rather than being at least tolerant(if not open-minded) to just listening to differing opinions.
I levy some of the blame on the news cycle and information ovelroad that our current age is in. Because we have to fill a constant stream of news, we encourage more and more "newsworthy" moments because after all, any attention is good attention which is a sad truth. Moreover, since we have so much coming so fast, the information has no time to be processed outside of the sound byte and headline. So now we have a system that rewards idiotic blathering and gotchas over genuine discourse. That is what is shoveled out to the population and that is now what is the main means of success are.
Discalimer: Nothing in this post was intended to offend anyone. Nothing about this post is insincere; it is a simple statement of fact. Nothing about this post is disingenuous; I really do mean what I am saying here. Nothing in this post is intended to rile people up.
Title: Obama the Most Gifted President in Living Memory at Making Congress Look Foolish
Content: I'm sure this could have infuriated the hardcore conservatives and Obama-haters out there, but I bet everyone else can't help but have a giggle. This guy has the ability to simultaenously enter the fray and stay above the fray.
it is a simple statement of fact. No facts are in your title or content, just opinions. Learn a book.
Nothing about this post is disingenuous; I really do mean what I am saying here. I believe this statement.
Nothing in this post is intended to rile people up.
I do not believe this statement.
WTF...I was referring to my post:
Yup. I said "by you and Ahtman".
It's no longer safe for me here, the PC police are after my scalp. Taking a break from OT for a while. Cheers to everyone!
curran12 wrote: Impossible for me to want either side to win at this point. And now this nonsense "gotcha" politics is streaming down into the population where we are CELEBRATING someone doing what they can to not work with Congress/President.
I'm with Curran on this one. Our system is FUBAR and the common citizen isn't making it any better by toeing the party line of whatever side they happen to be on rather than being at least tolerant(if not open-minded) to just listening to differing opinions.
I levy some of the blame on the news cycle and information ovelroad that our current age is in. Because we have to fill a constant stream of news, we encourage more and more "newsworthy" moments because after all, any attention is good attention which is a sad truth. Moreover, since we have so much coming so fast, the information has no time to be processed outside of the sound byte and headline. So now we have a system that rewards idiotic blathering and gotchas over genuine discourse. That is what is shoveled out to the population and that is now what is the main means of success are.
It's no longer safe for me here, the PC police are after my scalp.
Personal attack. Reported.
Cool move, dude.
I still likes you though.
I like me, too! I'm as handsome as I am humble!
*hugs!*
Seriously, if this thread is getting you wound up, take a break, man. Don't log in for a week. We'll still be here, as rowdy as ever! Enjoy your summer!
If we can refrain from the general name calling and loud and dubious claims about other posters and the like then I won't have to kick anyone off the board today. Thanks
It's no longer safe for me here, the PC police are after my scalp.
Personal attack. Reported.
Cool move, dude.
I still likes you though.
I like me, too! I'm as handsome as I am humble!
*hugs!*
Seriously, if this thread is getting you wound up, take a break, man. Don't log in for a week. We'll still be here, as rowdy as ever! Enjoy your summer!
I'm pretty sure Obama has given up at this point and is just trolling Congress. The last decent president was Clinton. GW and Obama have been back to back disasters.
I levy some of the blame on the news cycle and information ovelroad that our current age is in. Because we have to fill a constant stream of news, we encourage more and more "newsworthy" moments because after all, any attention is good attention which is a sad truth. Moreover, since we have so much coming so fast, the information has no time to be processed outside of the sound byte and headline. So now we have a system that rewards idiotic blathering and gotchas over genuine discourse. That is what is shoveled out to the population and that is now what is the main means of success are.
Absolutely... and then some curran. There's serious accusation that the news cycle are tempered by their favored party. (ie, Fox News = rigthy, Old Media Guard = lefty).
The New York Times (not a "righty" news publication for sure) reports on a "sharply worded" letter to Governor Cuomo from the US Attorney leading the investigation.
Let's give The New York Times kudos for covering this story. This is happening in their backyard after all...
The rest of the national media? Ziltch. Nada.
Why not, I wonder?
This is a genuine corruption investigation of a sitting governor and a much-talked-about possible Democratic candidate for President.
To channel my inner-Bidenism: This is a big fething deal!
What is the missing "X Factor" here that makes this story so unsexy for the national media? Conversely, what was that "X Factor" did the fake investigation of Scott Walker (potential Republican Presidential candidate) have that made it so appealing? Likewise, what "X Factor" did Christie's Bridge Controversy (another potential Repub. Prez candidate)have that makes it more important than the shuttering of a commission investigating widespread political corruption in New York?
There is no plausible answer here except the obvious one.
Or, it's like that a certain former Senator from New York who is the frontrunner for the D nomination in 2016 have anything to do with it? /tin foil
It doesn't matter who the Commander in Chief is seriously, were all screwed it's just a matter of how long before the wick runs short and everything explodes.
People who think they are going to vote someone into office without their own agenda are kidding themselves.
It takes a special kind of person to want to be the Leader of the Free World.... and unfortunately those qualities generally don't lead to the best outcomes.
trexmeyer wrote: I'm pretty sure Obama has given up at this point and is just trolling Congress. The last decent president was Clinton. GW and Obama have been back to back disasters.
IN many ways you are correct. The Housing thing started with changes during his administration however.
Not like it matters, our country is too stupid to keep our military where it belongs. We keep sticking our noses in everyone else's business.
Take our soldiers home and let them secure the borders. Let the brown people overseas blow themselves up. The oil will still be there after they are all dead.
The New York Times (not a "righty" news publication for sure) reports on a "sharply worded" letter to Governor Cuomo from the US Attorney leading the investigation.
Let's give The New York Times kudos for covering this story. This is happening in their backyard after all...
The New York Times (not a "righty" news publication for sure) reports on a "sharply worded" letter to Governor Cuomo from the US Attorney leading the investigation.
Let's give The New York Times kudos for covering this story. This is happening in their backyard after all...
Is FoxNews covering the story any more than CNN or MSNBC?
No?
Well then I guess the amount of dirt that can be thrown at Clinton with this story is pretty much zero.
Wait, let me check with Breitbart really quick!
Still no mention of how Clinton is involved in all of this?
Man, she is powerful. When even the conspiracy theorists refuse to spin their webs about her involvement in this, then she must have called up the lizard people...
d-usa wrote: Is FoxNews covering the story any more than CNN or MSNBC?
No?
Well then I guess the amount of dirt that can be thrown at Clinton with this story is pretty much zero.
Wait, let me check with Breitbart really quick!
Still no mention of how Clinton is involved in all of this?
Man, she is powerful. When even the conspiracy theorists refuse to spin their webs about her involvement in this, then she must have called up the lizard people...
OMG how did I miss this thread?
The US a socialist country, nope not even close . The only people that think the US is socialist are people who have no idea what socialism is. FFs you only just got "universal" health care , your social programs are deplorable and the US is a socialist country?
Frazzled, you're welcome and free to Ignore me, or apply for a moderator job and censor my posts as you see fit, as well.
In any case, cheers and good health!
I was a Mod. They kicked me out. And where's the justice in that? Just because a man makes a little mistake with a flame thrower and the Louvre and BAM! he's out. No Justice no Peace! [
It was a great time in the history of dakka, Frazzled ruled with an iron fist much like Ghengis Khan. Much banings and moderating were done. In fact, I'd say Frazzled was a socialist moderator.
Random Dude wrote: I'm starting to understand why so many young voters don't affiliate themselves with either major political party.
The funny thing is is that apolitical citizens are actually helping both the Republicans and Democrats. The extremes on both sides are pushing the agendas, and they take anyone else with a position close to their ideology along for the ride.
The unaffiliated will have to choose sides as we lack a clear third choice between the two parties.
Random Dude wrote: I'm starting to understand why so many young voters don't affiliate themselves with either major political party.
The funny thing is is that apolitical citizens are actually helping both the Republicans and Democrats. The extremes on both sides are pushing the agendas, and they take anyone else with a position close to their ideology along for the ride.
The unaffiliated will have to choose sides as we lack a clear third choice between the two parties.
Wasn't that were the 2nd amendment was for?
America a socialist country?, the gap between rich and poor the amount of homeless,.....
Well, it makes perfect sense when you have a President like The Usurper B. Hussein "Superallah" Obama, who is simultaneously weak on terror while being a bloodthirsty warmonger via use of drones, too dumb to read a speech without a teleprompter while also being responsible for every detail of a vast conspiracy to mask his place of birth and/or religion, and so on, and so forth.
Jihadin wrote: Forgot Obama will never fail to attend a Fund Raiser
That is any politician. Fundraisers are what get them there, and what keep them there: Democrat, Republican, or Independent. It isn't just for fun either, as we the people have made it a money race that puts them into the position of having to constantly be raising money to keep up. Being upset that a politician attends fundraisers is like being upset if a soldier has a firearm.
that's gold... if I had room in my sig that would be sigged, unfortunately my siggs require more stupidity than that. except for manchu, that one was smart
The GOP bill was split into two parts, neither of which held appeal for Democrats.
The second bill, still under debate Friday night, would block funding for future expansion of Obama’s 2012 executive action that stops the deportation of young people who came here illegally as children. Republicans say this executive order has served as the lure that has attracted Central American children and families to come here, believing they can also be granted legal status.
"This border crisis is of the president’s own making," Rep. Keith Rothfus, R-Pa., said.
The main legislative vehicle approved Friday night provides $659 million for humanitarian aide, strengthened border security and additional immigration judges. It also adds $35 million to grant border state governors the autonomy to pay for sending the National Guard to the border without needing federal funds.
The bill also changes a 2008 trafficking victims law so that the Obama administration will be able to speed deportation of minors from Central America, where most of the children have migrated from.
They're doing the right thing. Obama is, as usual, blatantly trying to abuse illegal immigrants and misled voters. An illegal immigrant is an illegal immigrant, no matter how old he is or whatever.
OBAMA: Nope, I meant pass a bill that *I* like. If not, I'll just unilaterally do it myself.
GOP HOUSE: .
I feel like you are missing some steps in there. Something about... another house of government, and how they need to work things out before it ever reaches the President at all?
I feel like you are missing some steps in there. Something about... another house of government, and how they need to work things out before it ever reaches the President at all?
That step is basically spelled out in the article:
The GOP bill was split into two parts, neither of which held appeal for Democrats.
Sigvatr wrote: They're doing the right thing. Obama is, as usual, blatantly trying to abuse illegal immigrants and misled voters. An illegal immigrant is an illegal immigrant, no matter how old he is or whatever.
As alluded to in the article, US law differentiates between the way minor illegal immigrants and major illegal immigrants are treated. That's not an Obama thing, its a legal thing.
Sigvatr wrote: They're doing the right thing. Obama is, as usual, blatantly trying to abuse illegal immigrants and misled voters. An illegal immigrant is an illegal immigrant, no matter how old he is or whatever.
I know right now if we can just get kids fined for being in the car with their parents as they break the law. Little bast... how dare they not know they broke a crime and did what their parents told them to. I say take them out of the car put them on the side of a road and move on. Damn kids always getting in my way of being a ass.
Sigvatr wrote: They're doing the right thing. Obama is, as usual, blatantly trying to abuse illegal immigrants and misled voters. An illegal immigrant is an illegal immigrant, no matter how old he is or whatever.
I know right now if we can just get kids fined for being in the car with their parents as they break the law. Little bast... how dare they not know they broke a crime and did what their parents told them to. I say take them out of the car put them on the side of a road and move on. Damn kids always getting in my way of being a ass.
Sigvatr wrote: They're doing the right thing. Obama is, as usual, blatantly trying to abuse illegal immigrants and misled voters. An illegal immigrant is an illegal immigrant, no matter how old he is or whatever.
I know right now if we can just get kids fined for being in the car with their parents as they break the law. Little bast... how dare they not know they broke a crime and did what their parents told them to. I say take them out of the car put them on the side of a road and move on. Damn kids always getting in my way of being a ass.
d-usa wrote: Didn't B tell him to use his executive powers, a few days after voting to sue him for using them?
Yeah, that's pretty much what happened. Basically, Obama can only exercise Executive discretion if House Republicans allow it.
I don't think it would be wise for me to disclose which party I support, but I will say this: I'm tired of both party's pointless squabbling. Stop acting like children, and get something done.
daddyorchips wrote: here in england most of us think that obama is alright if a bit scarily right-wing at times, and that the republican party are absolutely nuts.
I think some Republicans are nuts. I think some Democrats are nuts. What I most dislike is that both parties refuse to except that the other could be right.
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