I love the Necrons. They have such a rich history, but does anyone know when the new necron codex is coming out? The old codex is really old. Any rumors Appreciated.
Kelly502 wrote: Hmmm, I think I need to go get this one, I have a large amount of the awesome Necron kits to build.
the reason I say it's awful is because it's *REALLY* old.
Considering that there was a 9 year gap between the actual old codex and the current one, and that the current codex has been in top tier for almost 3 years now, through 3 separate editions:
It's definitely going to be nerfed.
As long as it's balanced (as in, things that currently suck get made better, things that are currently too good get fixed) I won't have a problem with it.
But judging by the past several codex releases, I'm not holding out a lot of hope...
MSS will get nerfed,
Wraiths with most likely get a points increase with a slight nerf.
Annihilation barge will get a price increase for sure.
Hopefully Lychguard/Praetorians and Stalker all get the point reduction they need.
To be honest, I don't think too much will change. The Necrons were given a full remake from a lacking model size to what they are now, and they've sold very well for the past few years. And there's always the hope that Ward writes it again
My completely baseless and overly pessimistic predictions:
- Scythes, Wraiths and AB get nerfed.
- Trazyn is dead and removed from codex.
- Flayed Ones are great now, no new plastic kit is planned.
- New thuper awesome, thuper OP and thuper spammable chariot (which is pulled by wraiths) is introduced.
- Green rods are phased out entirely.
- Supplement (to be released one week later): Trazyn is alive, can take Vulcan (unit is exclusive to this supplement, sorry Imperial players) as a part of his royal court and many, many more "necessary" goodies.
Also, if we can add Destroyers to that list of things that need a point discount (joining Lychguard, Praetorians, etc.), that'd be grand.
Around 30 each (with Wraiths bumping up to 40) should be about right.
... though, we should probably stop before this thread turns into another wishlisting-- nah, screw it, let's go nuts!
- Scythes, Wraiths and AB get nerfed.
- Trazyn is dead and removed from codex.
- Flayed Ones are great now, no new plastic kit is planned.
- New thuper awesome, thuper OP and thuper spammable chariot (which is pulled by wraiths) is introduced.
- Green rods are phased out entirely.
- Supplement (to be released one week later): Trazyn is alive, can take Vulcan (unit is exclusive to this supplement, sorry Imperial players) as a part of his royal court and many, many more "necessary" goodies.
Yes, my saltiness is showing.
feth I completely forgot about the whole supplement bs. That's the nice thing about the current codex, it got in just before that crap hit the fan.
And something tells me we won't see a new codex until next summer at the earliest. supposedly there is a new daemon supplement coming out, BA need an update, DE, GK, even 8th edition dropping this coming April
Also, if we can add Destroyers to that list of things that need a point discount (joining Lychguard, Praetorians, etc.), that'd be grand.
Around 30 each (with Wraiths bumping up to 40) should be about right.
... though, we should probably stop before this thread turns into another wishlisting-- nah, screw it, let's go nuts!
Well it already had started out as a troll post, so......
Or better yet, put them back to jet bikes, make the Gauss Cannon/Heavy GC Assault 3/Assault 2.
And with how much Wraiths sell for GW, having a full squad cost almost $100, I don't think they will get more than that 5 point cost increase. Gotta keep those sales up.
The hilarious thing is, in the fluff, Trazyn often uses humans from time to time (unwittingly controlled by Mindshackle Scarabs) to nab rare artifacts for his collection, so this list, as ridiculous as it is, could still be theoretically possible (as long as you replace Wraithknight with Imperial Knight).
Meh, why not just assume that Trazyn mindfucked some poor spirit and took over his Wraithknight. If he can do it with Necron Overlords without them knowing, why not Eldar?
Gerst wrote: Meh, why not just assume that Trazyn mindfucked some poor spirit and took over his Wraithknight. If he can do it with Necron Overlords without them knowing, why not Eldar?
... The Necron codex is not old. It works brilliantly and does not need an update, other than a few rules clarifications and Flayed Ones being... somethinged to make them worth taking over Warriors.
Furyou Miko wrote: ... The Necron codex is not old. It works brilliantly and does not need an update, other than a few rules clarifications and Flayed Ones being... somethinged to make them worth taking over Warriors.
But compared to all the other Codices it is old and I'm not sure I would say it works 'brilliantly'.
Sure, they have an above 50% winchance on tournaments.. But I feel crap whenever I look to the 50+ models on my shelve that I cannot use.
MSS will get nerfed,
Wraiths with most likely get a points increase with a slight nerf.
Annihilation barge will get a price increase for sure.
Hopefully Lychguard/Praetorians and Stalker all get the point reduction they need.
To be honest, I don't think too much will change. The Necrons were given a full remake from a lacking model size to what they are now, and they've sold very well for the past few years. And there's always the hope that Ward writes it again
Not sure why Wraiths would get an increase of points. Have you SEEN TWC?
Furyou Miko wrote: ... The Necron codex is not old. It works brilliantly and does not need an update, other than a few rules clarifications and Flayed Ones being... somethinged to make them worth taking over Warriors.
But compared to all the other Codices it is old and I'm not sure I would say it works 'brilliantly'.
Sure, they have an above 50% winchance on tournaments.. But I feel crap whenever I look to the 50+ models on my shelve that I cannot use.
You either have a heck of a lot of Pariahs or an insane number of Flayed Ones... or need to rethink how you use your models.
Maybe both, Flayed Ones are pretty awesome in a Maynarkh list.
MSS will get nerfed,
Wraiths with most likely get a points increase with a slight nerf.
Annihilation barge will get a price increase for sure.
Hopefully Lychguard/Praetorians and Stalker all get the point reduction they need.
To be honest, I don't think too much will change. The Necrons were given a full remake from a lacking model size to what they are now, and they've sold very well for the past few years. And there's always the hope that Ward writes it again
The problem with Praetorians is not that the are mispriced, but that they are functionally identical in most cases to Wraiths, only slightly worse because they aren't as fast. Thus they serve no purpose.
Furyou Miko wrote: ... The Necron codex is not old. It works brilliantly and does not need an update, other than a few rules clarifications and Flayed Ones being... somethinged to make them worth taking over Warriors.
But compared to all the other Codices it is old and I'm not sure I would say it works 'brilliantly'.
Sure, they have an above 50% winchance on tournaments.. But I feel crap whenever I look to the 50+ models on my shelve that I cannot use.
I think it works just fine. By 'works', I mean that everything in there interacts perfectly well with the current issue of the rules, nothing is outdated, and nothing is irrelevant. Even leaving the relatively decent balance of the codex aside, I would argue there's no 'need' to update it all, but the same could be said of any post-5th codex that has been updated really. Doesn't stop GW, though, as they know that people will happily spend £30 just because they ask them to, even when the current product is completely compatible and works fine.
MSS will get nerfed,
Wraiths with most likely get a points increase with a slight nerf.
Annihilation barge will get a price increase for sure.
Hopefully Lychguard/Praetorians and Stalker all get the point reduction they need.
To be honest, I don't think too much will change. The Necrons were given a full remake from a lacking model size to what they are now, and they've sold very well for the past few years. And there's always the hope that Ward writes it again
The problem with Praetorians is not that the are mispriced, but that they are functionally identical in most cases to Wraiths, only slightly worse because they aren't as fast. Thus they serve no purpose.
Well, they actually are overcosted as is. They have 1 attack base, whereas Wraiths have 3. They have no Invlun, whereas wraiths have a 3+. If praetorians were 25 points a model, I'd probably bring some as they are now, since a D-lord would help them with a Rez Orb.
Furyou Miko wrote: ... The Necron codex is not old. It works brilliantly and does not need an update, other than a few rules clarifications and Flayed Ones being... somethinged to make them worth taking over Warriors.
But compared to all the other Codices it is old and I'm not sure I would say it works 'brilliantly'.
Sure, they have an above 50% winchance on tournaments.. But I feel crap whenever I look to the 50+ models on my shelve that I cannot use.
You either have a heck of a lot of Pariahs or an insane number of Flayed Ones... or need to rethink how you use your models.
Maybe both, Flayed Ones are pretty awesome in a Maynarkh list.
Lychguard aren't worth taking (sadly), C'tan shards aren't either. Then there's Flayed Ones, Praetorians, Destroyers, Heavy Destroyers, Tomb Blades, Monoliths, ext. I'm not saying these units are bad, but are incredibly unbalanced with the rest of the codex. Why take 10 S5 Gauss shots for 200 points what you could bring 10 Rapid-fire S5 shots with Gauss for 170? And you could give that 170 point unit a Night Scythe....
My issue with Necrons, besides lack of flavor or synergy, is that most things are just outshined by troops. Elites should be exactly that, but considering troops do what most Elites do, but cheaper, meh?
They love humanity still... They don't want to join the Greater Good that they made up, nor do they want to be possessed by the sorcerers they made up, nor do they want their soles spliced by the technology they came up with. Slaanesh on the other hand... He/She loves almost everything. Want to die? The Slaanesh makes you enjoy aaaaaaggggghhhh! dying!
Well, the rumors of Necrons in 2015 are pretty much assured to be true by process of elimination... since they are the last major faction without a 7th codex
I'm more interested in what new, cool models they will give Necrons. I don't have a necron army yet, but I'm sure looking forward to building one
well lets hope they come out with rules for a Transcendent C'Tan that doesnt completely break the game and fixes the one that is currently being played. that thing is silly silly silly.
Talys wrote: I'm more interested in what new, cool models they will give Necrons.
All indications from reliable rumor sources seem to point to the Necrons not getting anything new in the codex. It's looking more like a fix up/minimal update along the lines of what the Gray Knights got.
Expect nerfs a plenty.
well the flyers will cost more for SURE though they might not actually change what they do.
So yeah., I think rebalancing things is pretty critical and I love the direction of the codex's. Brinigng things down to earth is cool.
Also I frigging hate Forge World and want it to burn to the ground (in the nicest possible way with no casualties reported) so we can put a stop to THAT madness.
In an unrelated hope, Escalation is also a mistake and can probably have its publishing revoked and merged back to Apocalypse where it belonged and still does.
But yeah. The Necrons. Letrs fix that C'Tan, shall we?
Talys wrote: I'm more interested in what new, cool models they will give Necrons.
All indications from reliable rumor sources seem to point to the Necrons not getting anything new in the codex. It's looking more like a fix up/minimal update along the lines of what the Gray Knights got.
Expect nerfs a plenty.
They will nerf some and they will buff some. They have to sell models so total nerfing is not going to happen. Doing the old switcheroo (nerf some, buff some) makes everyone happy and most importantly generates revenue.
Take your bets on what the next chase Necron unit will be. Monolith? Praetorian? Doomsday Ark? Destroyers? Flayed Ones? C'tan Shards?
Also take bets on what units hit the shelves. Wraiths? Annihilation Barges? Scarabs? Death Marks?
The only prediction I am making is that the Monolith will be a definite THING. The theme so far with the new codexes has been DROP POD.
Talys wrote: I'm more interested in what new, cool models they will give Necrons.
All indications from reliable rumor sources seem to point to the Necrons not getting anything new in the codex. It's looking more like a fix up/minimal update along the lines of what the Gray Knights got.
Expect nerfs a plenty.
They will nerf some and they will buff some. They have to sell models so total nerfing is not going to happen. Doing the old switcheroo (nerf some, buff some) makes everyone happy and most importantly generates revenue.
Take your bets on what the next chase Necron unit will be. Monolith? Praetorian? Doomsday Ark? Destroyers? Flayed Ones? C'tan Shards?
Also take bets on what units hit the shelves. Wraiths? Annihilation Barges? Scarabs? Death Marks?
The only prediction I am making is that the Monolith will be a definite THING. The theme so far with the new codexes has been DROP POD.
skoffs wrote: I will be shocked if Destroyers are still garbage after this.
Yeah, I miss good old Destroyer Wing. 15 Destroyers and 9 Heavy Destroyers, which were jetbikes... Let's not forget about those S6 AP4 36" Assault 3 guns on regular Destroyers either.
I'd be happy with the current iteration, only given a price cut and some additional wargear options.
Eg.
Tesla cannons
Particle weaponry
Heat ray weaponry
Transdimensional beamers
"Heavy" upgrade grants increased armor + slow and purposeful (for relentless on their newly available heavy weaponry)
Ditch gun all together and take Warscythes (or dual hyperphase swords?)
skoffs wrote: Ditch gun all together and take Warscythes (or dual hyperphase swords?)
+1 on this.
A fast melee unit that has resurrection protocols (and not suck) would be great to pair with Destroyer Lords. Wriaths are good, but no res, and Praetorians need an upgrade (which would be fine too). The thought of 4-5 Destroyers with Lord, all equipped with Warscythes makes me want to spend a bunch of cash on new models. If GW wants to move those new Destroyer models that are coming out (rumored) they need to have a melee option.
If all codices are brought down in power then the scale changes, and you can have a "competitive" army without the ridicilously overpowered things like the CCB, or the outrageously cheap Night Scythes and Crypteks.
Ofcourse on a concretical level that won´t happen before the Eldar get a new Codex/a FAQ that shuts them down a bit.
Even if the current slightly broken units were put in place ( meaning adjusting them to be good, not this good ) the Necrons would still be a competitive army. And other things will probably get buffed, that increases the options for creating a competitive force.
For Necrons I think that GW will have less options to bring them in line.
I guess we'll see some point adaptions and nerfs for some war gear and weapons.
lliu wrote: I wish they would do a valid, actually awesome fast attack model.
2e Scarabs were things of beauty.
That said, I can't believe you dislike the Tomb Stalker and the new Wraith! They're beautiful.
In a, uh, gribbly tentacular too-many-legs crustacian/insectile kind of way, anyway.
They are awesome, but that gives my girlfriend (I'm 11, I know) the creeps. She was looking at me, as I had her over, and still, it IS a bit odd for Egyptian Zombies.
RunicFIN wrote: The Necron codex will most likely launch in January 2015.
Night Scythes, CCB, Crypteks will get nerfed, and it´s actually okay. I am saying that as an owner of a 1750 point Necron force.
Whats so OP about Crypteks? I've never heard anyone complaining about them, other than the Despairtek, which, honestly, they could fix the exploits with just NOT allowing them to go with Deathmarks. Why would anyone be with Deathmarks anyway. Doesn't make sense fluff-wise.
Then you have the Haywire cryptek, which, is 12" range, in an army where you really don't need much more help killing vehicles.
As someone who sits on the receiving end of those haywire weapons, I won't hide the fact that me and my Pask squad loathe those weapons. Few things are more disheartening than watching a croissant unload models that forces a trio of AV 14 vehicles to check for anal circumference.
Zewrath wrote: As someone who sits on the receiving end of those haywire weapons, I won't hide the fact that me and my Pask squad loathe those weapons. Few things are more disheartening than watching a croissant unload models that forces a trio of AV 14 vehicles to check for anal circumference.
Well, yes. But at the same time, I feel like someone who uses 3 Dreadknights cries when people bring grav weapons. Haywire was meant to kill vehicles, though I'm sorry that it does it a bit too well. Otherwise, we'd have Gauss, which isn't as effective, and not everything can get within range before being killed.
Zewrath wrote: As someone who sits on the receiving end of those haywire weapons, I won't hide the fact that me and my Pask squad loathe those weapons. Few things are more disheartening than watching a croissant unload models that forces a trio of AV 14 vehicles to check for anal circumference.
Well, yes. But at the same time, I feel like someone who uses 3 Dreadknights cries when people bring grav weapons. Haywire was meant to kill vehicles, though I'm sorry that it does it a bit too well. Otherwise, we'd have Gauss, which isn't as effective, and not everything can get within range before being killed.
Oh, I'm not saying that there shouldn't be counters against AV14 or that they are über broken, I'm just saying that I hate to watch my usually sturdy vehicles being melted like butter and my glasses are tinted against them, because I'm the player that likes to field tanks.
In all honesty though, I don't think I would mind them so much if it weren't for the fact that they are relatively cheap, although one could easily argue that increasing their cost makes them largely unattractive, due the already high volume of AT weapons.
Zewrath wrote: As someone who sits on the receiving end of those haywire weapons, I won't hide the fact that me and my Pask squad loathe those weapons. Few things are more disheartening than watching a croissant unload models that forces a trio of AV 14 vehicles to check for anal circumference.
Well, yes. But at the same time, I feel like someone who uses 3 Dreadknights cries when people bring grav weapons. Haywire was meant to kill vehicles, though I'm sorry that it does it a bit too well. Otherwise, we'd have Gauss, which isn't as effective, and not everything can get within range before being killed.
Oh, I'm not saying that there shouldn't be counters against AV14 or that they are über broken, I'm just saying that I hate to watch my usually sturdy vehicles being melted like butter and my glasses are tinted against them, because I'm the player that likes to field tanks.
In all honesty though, I don't think I would mind them so much if it weren't for the fact that they are relatively cheap, although one could easily argue that increasing their cost makes them largely unattractive, due the already high volume of AT weapons.
I can't argue with anything you've said. 25 points is a pretty attractive price, but I still don't like the fragile model it's on. 25 points for a 4+ armor and one wound. Eeeehhhhhhh.
I'll agree that the number of haywire shots is a bit excessive and could do with a reduction. The voltaic staff - if memory serves - has four shots and I think it would be fine to have one or two shots taken off.
King Pariah wrote: I'll agree that the number of haywire shots is a bit excessive and could do with a reduction. The voltaic staff - if memory serves - has four shots and I think it would be fine to have one or two shots taken off.
Eh, Maybe make it a 5 point increase over a regular cryptek, and have 3 shots. But, even the, it's 30 points for a 4+ armor save dude with 12" gun......
AP 1 S8 treat leadership as toughness flamer. So... Generally wounds on a 5 or 4, but hits a bunch of times. Pretty okay. Great damage output if mixed with Deathmarks and flinging 2+ AP 1 wounds around at a critical unit.
Can take as wargear a device for re-deep striking every round, which also plays well with Deathmarks, especially if you're not into flyerspam. Using him this way will get the unit killed next turn, mind you. Even if you completely killed the only unit he can 2+ wound. People are irrational that way.
Of course, being able to deep strike every turn is great even without that for some strategies.
His other wargear item is a forgettable morale test inducing shooting attack. Might be nice if he got it for free and was out of flamer range, but not worth taking.
The current Necron codex (before the new one hits) is the #3 codex in the game right now and arguably could be the very best depending on your style of play.
The new codex coming out is totally going to nerf it to oblivion
mk2 wrote: The current Necron codex (before the new one hits) is the #3 codex in the game right now and arguably could be the very best depending on your style of play.
The new codex coming out is totally going to nerf it to oblivion
Unless they copypaste the rules and just add a bunch of pics. Not likely, almost impossible, but hey, with GW anything can happen!
mk2 wrote: The current Necron codex (before the new one hits) is the #3 codex in the game right now and arguably could be the very best depending on your style of play.
The new codex coming out is totally going to nerf it to oblivion
Rankings put it around #5, sometimes 4 and sometimes 6.
All of that because two units are heavily undercosted, otherwise it'd be around #12.
Sorry to burst the Necron-hate-bubble, but the Codex sucks and it will receive more buffs than nerfs.
But it will also upset the tournament players that stacked up on flyers and barges.
And it will also upset some people that can't deal with Necrons and freak out because certain stuff isn't nerfed.
The current edition Necron codex is amazing! I have ZERO complaints about it. I hope the new one next year doesn't nerf the gak out of everything (particularly flyers and MSS haha, and tesla)
mk2 wrote: The current Necron codex (before the new one hits) is the #3 codex in the game right now and arguably could be the very best depending on your style of play.
The new codex coming out is totally going to nerf it to oblivion
Rankings put it around #5, sometimes 4 and sometimes 6.
All of that because two units are heavily undercosted, otherwise it'd be around #12.
Sorry to burst the Necron-hate-bubble, but the Codex sucks and it will receive more buffs than nerfs.
But it will also upset the tournament players that stacked up on flyers and barges.
And it will also upset some people that can't deal with Necrons and freak out because certain stuff isn't nerfed.
I agree. It will most likely be a sideways nerf/buff where people will wind up having to BUY MODELS to replace the nerfed models with the buffed ones. Imagine that!
RunicFIN wrote: The Necron codex will most likely launch in January 2015.
Night Scythes, CCB, Crypteks will get nerfed, and it´s actually okay. I am saying that as an owner of a 1750 point Necron force.
Whats so OP about Crypteks? I've never heard anyone complaining about them, other than the Despairtek, which, honestly, they could fix the exploits with just NOT allowing them to go with Deathmarks. Why would anyone be with Deathmarks anyway. Doesn't make sense fluff-wise.
Then you have the Haywire cryptek, which, is 12" range, in an army where you really don't need much more help killing vehicles.
The cryptek Haywire blasters are really awesome. i know that much. But i dont think "broken" is really a word i use to describe necrons unless you loook at ther cost of the Night Scythes. Crypteks seemed fine to me.
I thought the current Necron codex was considered really good? Like, top tier army level good?
I'm guessing you're having difficulties playing them, because I very rarely see a bad Necron thread (that's not complaining about facing the Croissants of doom)
Izural wrote: I thought the current Necron codex was considered really good? Like, top tier army level good?
I'm guessing you're having difficulties playing them, because I very rarely see a bad Necron thread (that's not complaining about facing the Croissants of doom)
It was top tier.. If you spammed the same three same models.
I thought that was boring, so now I have around 30 Lychguard, 20 Flayed Ones, 50 Immortals and every HQ.
Not to forget my two Triarch Stalkers and Monoliths.
Sadly they are all crap and I'm pretty much giving myself a handicap if I play them.
really old. Any rumors Appreciated.
