These are the new pieces that I have almost ready for production that will be going up for funding on kickstarter either over the weekend or the beginning of the week next week. These are intended to be the first offering and I will probably try to get a few more pieces done over the course fo the campaign as funding warrants. I intend to deliver these by Christmas.
I am not sure about the club on Tradkarl though. that was originally a weapon for a charatcer from the " other " project that I had though i could repurpose here but I am not quite sure it " works ".
Ullr will be weilding a battle axe, and the Shieldmaiden will have a sword and shield. Hoep you guys like them!
Ah waw! They look really wonderful! I especially like the facial hair, really characterful touch!
I'm not overly familiar with your work in general but by 'other project', do you mean your separate little game world that you're crafting and populating with undead and such?
Eagerly awaiting the kickstarter at any rate, top notch stuff!
I am not sure about the club on Tradkarl though. that was originally a weapon for a charatcer from the " other " project that I had though i could repurpose here but I am not quite sure it " works ".
He does look a little advanced to be have a staff that appears to be made out of a large femur.
Also - you need a link to your site in your signature. Looking at these made me want to go look at other Red Box minis, and now I have to go to the Google. God knows what might happen to me from now to then!
Are these guys going to be in a similar scale to your existing models aye? I love your style but it's hard to know which models will look ok next to GW stuff since yours are so realistic.
Is the chappie with the wee keg and the walking stick/staff on the same "base" as the other models? If so I think I've found the leader for my Mordheim Kislevites
A shame my eyesight has deteriorated to the point where making out details on any truescale model is hard yakka - I can't see enough to paint anything. Otherwise I'd grab me more of your stuff.
Yodhrin, Yes I strive to keep all RBG minis in identical scale. It is impossible to keep them perfectly in scale with each other but I think I keep it as close as it gets.
And yes these are all pictured on 25 mm round wooden discs. I am doing away with the 20 mm round bases from here on. And yes I will also put up some scale pics with figures from other manufacturers. I have found that my scale is identical to Infinity....or at least the few Infinity figs that I have on hand.
Remember that these figures are just the initial offering I am still working on more of them for the campaign as funding allows.
The new sculpts look great. In regards to Tradkarl's club I can see what you mean about it not being a perfect fit. The current club does remind me a bit of wooden war clubs used by Native American tribes but doesn't give off a good Norse vibe. I think a straight stave with metal bands, maybe studded metal bands around the top end would look good. I think it can work as is and I think Tradkarl wouldn't look right if you made it a hammer or axe, a staff/club fits him best.
I like the way some of the new Norse sculpts have a bit of a Laplander look to them. It reminds me that it's almost the time of year when I get to watch the movie Rare Exports again.
It funded quite fast, and is now very close to the first stretch goal which sees the arrival of the Aenglish. A good strong start. I Iike all the miniatures on show actually.
The Aenglish are really up to my taste, and it's a pity not more than a handful of people are interested in getting these in resin rather than metal. :/
Yeah, I got all of the resin heroes in the last campaign, but evidently there weren't very many of us who did. Tre's metal is awesome though, so I'm not all that fussed about it.
My hobby time last week was spent on Tre's Goblin/Dwarf/Orc KS and his Norse KS. The single piece models are great in metal, and his multipart ones are lovely enough once made to get me over my distaste for multipart metals.
Definitely going in on this one, probably for everything.
Will just need to sort out my credit card first.
Tre, looks like the new model of smaller KS is really working for you, which is fantastic.
Trodax, you need to rally up some more support for the resin so we can get some of those, too! These would be even more awesome in resin than in metal.
This is going quite well; the fourth Aenglish warrior is nearly unlocked, and then it's only another $1,500 for the fifth and final guy in that set. I'm not sure if Tre has decided what's coming next; it might be the halflings. Personally I'm hoping for a set of nasty brigands; that sounds pretty great to me.
grefven wrote: Trodax, you need to rally up some more support for the resin so we can get some of those, too! These would be even more awesome in resin than in metal.
Nah, I can understand that Tre doesn't want to produce figures at a loss just to meet the demands of a couple of crazy resin addicted Swedes. To tell you the truth my funds are a lot more limited this time around, so part of me is actually thankful that there are "only" $8 metal minis available (and as said, the metals are pretty fantastic).
Yeh the Brigands are in the works but I am not really sure where to go from here. The funding seems to have stalled and that makes me wonder if another themed set of 5 figures is a smart move or if I should just go for singular add-on stretches. I am not sure if the halflings are going to work out as they really do nto seem very popular. I am not binning them per se btu I think it might be prudent to work up a coupel fo different designs for the Halflings first.
Yeah, I know where your coming from. I've bought so many minis from KSers that I've gotten pretty picky about what I put money into now. I'm in this Kser for $45 and waiting for something to really blow me away. I hate to say this but halflings won't do it for me. I like the idea of brigands. Dark Elves would be even cooler.
tre manor wrote: Yeh the Brigands are in the works but I am not really sure where to go from here. The funding seems to have stalled and that makes me wonder if another themed set of 5 figures is a smart move or if I should just go for singular add-on stretches. I am not sure if the halflings are going to work out as they really do nto seem very popular. I am not binning them per se btu I think it might be prudent to work up a coupel fo different designs for the Halflings first.
I see what you mean Tre. Maybe going to independent minis and not sets of fives would be safer after the Aenglish. Perhaps Aelfar is an exception and could do well. I think I agree with you on the halfings as well.
tre manor wrote: Yeh the Brigands are in the works but I am not really sure where to go from here. The funding seems to have stalled and that makes me wonder if another themed set of 5 figures is a smart move or if I should just go for singular add-on stretches. I am not sure if the halflings are going to work out as they really do nto seem very popular. I am not binning them per se btu I think it might be prudent to work up a coupel fo different designs for the Halflings first.
I think the funding will pick up when the new sculpts are shown. The new pledge level for getting all the Aenglish will probably give a nice boost. Judging by the comments I think your idea of leaving the halflings as single model add ons is best. Humans and elves seem to be more popular, which is understandable since they're more versatile and more apt to be fielded in groups in a game. Having the option to choose an All of Them deal for each of the human factions and the elves maybe would be nice.
I will up my pledge when I see what is being offered, but I am waiting to see that, currently. If you offer halflings, I will up my pledge to get them (I love your halflings) and if you offer brigands, the same is true (I don't have ANY human brigand models, so I am quite interested in those).
I hav ejust gotten the concept roughs for the brigands from Dave and I am STOKED to get started on them! LOTS of character in them! Oh! I am excited for these!
Right now I have eight armatures on the corks and that does nto cover all of the designs yet. Some of them will double nicely as peasant levies or armed villagers or even zero level adventurers.
Expressing a personal wish, I would really like to see more spearmen and bowmen for all ranges (mainly for the current point Norse and Aenglish)!
Like this:
Well I do intend to get a few more bowmen for the aenglish at least into this KS. I have one female with a crossbow underway right now. Truth be told the new Brigands I am working on will easily double as peasant levy troops for the Aenglish. There are also two brigands with bows and one with a crossbow as well. So that will cover the lower ranked Aenglish archers for the short term. But who knows?! There are still 19 days yet to go in this campaign and I am adding items as the funding allows.
tre manor wrote: Well I do intend to get a few more bowmen for the aenglish at least into this KS. I have one female with a crossbow underway right now. Truth be told the new Brigands I am working on will easily double as peasant levy troops for the Aenglish. There are also two brigands with bows and one with a crossbow as well. So that will cover the lower ranked Aenglish archers for the short term. But who knows?! There are still 19 days yet to go in this campaign and I am adding items as the funding allows.
Brigands with bows will be great and work the way you say!!
For the moment we wait for the next update as long as all 5 initial Aenglishmen are now unlocked!!
Can you post a pic of one next to a couple other models?
At the risk of sounding pedantic, they are halfling size within Tre's own range. They are like AD&D halflings though, not 3.5 halflings. Alongside Tre's other miniatures, the halflings are about half the height of a human.
prplehippo wrote: Can you post a pic of one next to a couple other models?
Good luck with that it is notoriously hard to find pics of Tre's models next to rulers or models from other ranges, unfortunately (although weeble snagged one above)... the reason this sucks is because even within his own range, it's very hard to know size differences.
Fenris, I know now, is like 4 times the size of a normal dire wolf, and a boneback goblin is significantly larger than a normal goblin. You could say folks should be able to figure this out, but as weeble describes his halfings as " halfling size within Tre's own range. They are like AD&D halflings though, not 3.5 halflings"... well, it just makes it really hard to figure out the size of things.
This is the reason I haven't bought the excellent orcs from the store, which were funded by one of the prior Kickstarters- I just can't figure out what size they are, so don't know if I can use them or not
We've brought it up tons of times, but there's been no move from Tre to make it easier to tell sizes, and so I'm left not purchasing a few sets of orcs that I totally would, if I could just figure out the size... I guess I could photoshop and figure out the height based on the 25mm bases they're mounted on, but that's just asking your customers to do way more work than they should, when you could easily (if pics are a no-go) list the height to the eyes or the like.
weeble, Thanks for the link, I wish I had that earlier.
I bought a bunch of old GW halflings off Ebay a few months ago, thinking they would fit in with the GW halflings I currently have, but they are so much smaller than the ones that came with the Empire Hot Pot!
5 Njorns completely sculpted and available as a package deal or individuals
5 Aenglish completely sculpted and available as a package deal or individuals
5 Brigrands with melee weapons being sculpted and will be available as a package deal or individuals once their stretch goal is reached
1 Elf fighter has been sculpted and will be available later as a stretch goal
2 Halfling fighters have been sculpted and will be available later as a stretch goal
1 Additional Njorn fighter has been sculpted and will be available later as a stretch goal
Another 5 brigrands some armed with ranged weapons are going to be sculpted.
Tre has mentioned in the KS comments multiple times that he has lots of ideas for more models and will keep sculpting as long as people keep pledging so there could literally be over a dozen additional sculpts depending on how the pledging goes.
Personally, they are smaller than I care for, and too pricey to buy Red Box exclusively. There are lots of other nice miniatures out there I would like to game with and paint. They are absolutely lovely sculpts and concepts, but too small for me personally.
I should do another RBG sizing post sometime soonish. Maybe next weekend. I haven't got anything since KS1, but hopefully it might help with some of the older range up to there.
If Tre' wants to send me some Orcs or whatever, I'll be more than glad to do a post comparing those with other ranges as well.
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Better than doing random figures next to other random figures...
Azazel, I don't have a blog, but I would be happy to do comparison shots with Tre's orcs and send them along to you to put onto your blog if you like. My camera skills are a bit dodgy but should suffice to show the size of the minis, if not their quality.
That'd be awesome, Da Boss! Could you put them next to a common model, like a space marine or similar? Not because I want it to look like a SM, but just for simple reference . Or any model that is easy to tell size / height (a WHFB chaos warrior comes to mind, or an imperial guard cadian, or even an Infinity model for a more well proportioned comparison, if not in a crazy pose).
The scale of these minis would not fit with GW's or Malifauxs at all . Tre generally tries to get around this fact by putting his minis on 20mm (instead of standard 25mm bases) to make them look bigger. But when asked he will say: "I do not make proxies for GW".
Also if you buy from his web store (at least when I foolishly bought), and tried to return them, he had a strict no refunds except for miscasts policy, which was not published anywhere on the site.
obviously kickstarters are no refunds anyway, so maybe that point is moot. But I am posting so as to encourage questions, because while being nice sculpts, his miniatures and company are different from what people are used to
Well, to be clear I'm totally okay with these not being "proxies for GW", or proxies for anything for that matter. I just want to know the size of any particular model, as they vary a lot. I'm particularly interested in the orcs because I might purchase some!
A good friend (Wehrkind on Dakka, who is localish to me) has an incredible fantasy army with many RBG models. The whole army uses alternate manufacturers, with tons of Rackhm sculpts, too, and it works well together.
However, he mentioned just this weekend that the barbarians he received from the last campaign can't fit on 25mm bases - that he would have to use 40mm ones! He said this is because their stances are almost all extremely wide.
Since these are very recent sculpts, I'm not sure if it's Tre responding to feedback by making his figures fill bases, but it just caused the opposite problem - a person who was used to his scale got models that won't fit on standard bases!
I know it's not fair for you to get hounded, Tre, and that dodicula has been a critic of yours. But you need a scale comparison for your range, even for models within the range to see how they compare to each other! FW does this with the running empire model... please consider doing something similar. If nothing else you could finally stop having to respond to scale feedback / questions / comments / confusion, and just direct people to the pics.
Hope this helps (seriously) as I mean it as constructive feedback
Looking forward to those comparison photos of the orcs, Da Boss / Azazelx!
Gallahad wrote: Here are some links to blogs with comparison photos that may be of use.
Personally, they are smaller than I care for, and too pricey to buy Red Box exclusively. There are lots of other nice miniatures out there I would like to game with and paint. They are absolutely lovely sculpts and concepts, but too small for me personally.
Thanks for the links Gallahad, that's just what I was looking for. I like RBG scale, especially for the dwarves.
I've never been a fan of the "GW style" dwarves, although I've had to paint a lot of them in the last few months for a commission. I like how the RBG dwarves have more realistically proportioned anatomy.
Excuse me Dodicula but I do not remember ever turning down a refund based on miscasts. Or return for that matter. And I do not try to " get around " the size comparison by basing my figures on 20 mm rounds to make them appear larger. I have never once tried to obfuscate what the size of my miniatures are. if I am asked I tell very specifically. I go to great lengths to let people know exactly how big my figures are. I pose my dwarves and elves and halflings and goblins and mages on 20 mm round bases because that was what I supplied with them. There is NO other motive what so ever.
As to my refunds for miscasts policy........ I think you would be very hard pressed to ever find anyone else who has ever asked me to replace or refund for an actual miscast that has not gotten exactly that. I have shipped many replacement packages on my own dime. I make mistakes I leave figures out of orders on occassion by accident, I miss sort ready packages with waiting packages.
Any mistakes I make i do my best to correct even at great personal expense. If you try to communicate with me I repsond. If I do not respond it is only because I either did not get the message or the message come in in a flood of other messages ( which is becoming a daily occurrence now ) and I simply lost track of it momentarily.
I do not misrepresent my product to anyone for any reason. If you buy my figures looking to proxy them as GW stand ins then you must admit on first sight that the figures are not going to fit in as the proportions themselves are what make the figures look different. Not the " size ".
If I were to call my figures 25 mm scale that would be a misrepresentation because they are in fact built on the scale rubric that a human male armature will stand 32 -36 mm tall with both feet together and back straight. The other races follow the old school DnD aesthetics that elves are shorter and slighter than humans, dwarves are shorter than elves but as stocky as humans and halflings are shorter still than dwarves.
People are so generally confused as to what scale is because the term means absolutely nothing to most of the companies that claim to follow a " scale ".
If you asked me for a refund for an actual miscasting then yes you would have gotten one immediately. If you asked me for a refund of the purchase price of the minis because they were not what you wanted them to be and then also paid out of your own pocket to return them to me then yes you would have gotten a refund. I cannot anticipate what your opinion of " proper scale " is and I am sorry that the issue of scale is so muddled that no one really knows what scale even is anymore but I do not attempt to fool anyone with any kind of trickery. WYSIWYG.
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I WILL get a standard scale comparison up ont eh site and ont he KS page as soon as possible though. I really really do nto want anyone feeling fooled.
Automatically Appended Next Post: And I do not mind critics at all. I just do nto appreciate someone insinuating that I am a liar or that I misrepresent myself or my product. Ot saying that I do nto operate my business in a fair and friendly and open manner.
dodicula wrote: The scale of these minis would not fit with GW's or Malifauxs at all . Tre generally tries to get around this fact by putting his minis on 20mm (instead of standard 25mm bases) to make them look bigger. But when asked he will say: "I do not make proxies for GW".
This statement implies that there is a specific, malicious intent to deceive on the part of Red Box Games. There is none.
Tre chooses a base size that is consistent with the overall size of the miniature. Lots of Tre's models are packaged with 25mm rounds. All of the Evil Barbarians, for example, are on 25mm rounds. Most of the Humans and Norse Humans are packaged with 25mm rounds as well.
The Elves, Dwarves, Halflings, and Goblins are typically on 20mm rounds because the average heights for those races are less than the average human height. My guess is that Tre feels that 25mm rounds are excessively large for those miniatures.
Now, Tre does not photograph the miniatures with a ruler, but the product descriptions do say what size base the miniatures are supplied with. Generally speaking, very few manufacturers actually photograph their miniatures with a ruler. This is why there are lots of 'comparison photos' around the internet.
I'm not suggesting that this is a good or preferable practice, but it is consistent with established industry norms.
I never said you refuse refunds for miscasts, in fact I specifically said you would.
As for size issues, when I ordered several of your zombies, and wrote to you that I would like a refund , you said your policy was miscasts only. This was the exact text of what you sent me:
">> I am very sorry for the delay in my response. I will only accept
>> returns for items which are physically defective ( i.e. miscast. ) I
>> cannot accept returns for figures which do not fit with another
>> company's figures. I am sorry for any confusion but RBG is
>> purposefully not made to fit with any other range. Have you considered
>> using your RBG undead purchase as the start of a new collection of all
>> RBG figures?"
Note that you did not mention the option of shipping them back. Also note: " purposefully not made to fit with any other range. Have you considered"
Maybe this has changed recently I don't know, but in our email exchange in 2012 you clearly stated your policy (though it was not on your site at the time) as I described.
If you misstated your policy in the email please let me know, I will happily ship you back the zombie figures as they are still unpainted.
And honestly Tre, just get some scale comparisons up on your site, I know I am not the only person surprised and dissapointed by the scale or proportion or whatever comparisons. I think your potential customers deserve to know.
tre manor wrote: I WILL get a standard scale comparison up on the site and on the KS page as soon as possible though. I really really do not want anyone feeling fooled.
Tre, that would be so awesome! Very much appreciated
I'm not worried about the rest, but this would make it so much easier for me to choose which models to purchase from you . Cheers for taking that feedback!
I was wondering when the scale issues was going to pop up once more to a Red Box games discussion. I understand the interest but I find it a little unfair for Tre, this kind of discussion to always take place, considering his minis. I will repost here some pictures I have taken of the Norses of a previous KS of Tre, but still recent. The (male) Barbarians of the last KS are exactly the same size of this Norse guy here. I take a GW Dark Elf corsair as the main comparison figure.
1. Here are the miniatures next to an old Black Guard. It's easy to see that even GW doesn't keep a common size for its minis and tends to "enlarge" the more recent models, as the corsair is larger than Black Guard! It's also easy to see that the Norse guy is taller than the Black Guard.
2. Here a comparison with Saruman from the lotr sbg line
3. Next to a Confrontation mini
4. Next to a personal favourite mini from Magnificent Egos
You can thank me by commenting on my painting Honesty and good feedback are very welcomed!!
corgan wrote: The (male) Barbarians of the last KS are exactly the same size of this Norse guy here.
Thanks very much for the pics! And, from those, I see exactly what my friend was referring to - he has a lot of the older RBG models, which easily stand on a 25mm base, and you can see that this one could not possibly do so (or the Barbarians from the next campaign, as you mention). I know it says they are supplied with a 30mm base, but it looks like they would hang over the sides quite a bit still... that is a wide stance! So, it would just be great to have a pic like this upfront (perhaps with the comparison model even being from Tre's own range, if he prefers) just so people can have a good idea of the size. Looking forward to seeing what Tre comes up with in that regard!
This model, obviously, would fit in well with many things... and honestly if I'd realized they were that size, I might have jumped in! More knowledge is definitely a good thing in this case
corgan wrote: You can thank me by commenting on my painting Honesty and good feedback are very welcomed!!
My favorite is the dark elf on the right of the first pic, if that's a standard you're painting a whole fantasy army to, that is quite nice indeed!
RiTides wrote: Well, to be clear I'm totally okay with these not being "proxies for GW", or proxies for anything for that matter. I just want to know the size of any particular model, as they vary a lot. I'm particularly interested in the orcs because I might purchase some!
A good friend (Wehrkind on Dakka, who is localish to me) has an incredible fantasy army with many RBG models. The whole army uses alternate manufacturers, with tons of Rackhm sculpts, too, and it works well together.
However, he mentioned just this weekend that the barbarians he received from the last campaign can't fit on 25mm bases - that he would have to use 40mm ones! He said this is because their stances are almost all extremely wide.
Since these are very recent sculpts, I'm not sure if it's Tre responding to feedback by making his figures fill bases, but it just caused the opposite problem - a person who was used to his scale got models that won't fit on standard bases!
I know it's not fair for you to get hounded, Tre, and that dodicula has been a critic of yours. But you need a scale comparison for your range, even for models within the range to see how they compare to each other! FW does this with the running empire model... please consider doing something similar. If nothing else you could finally stop having to respond to scale feedback / questions / comments / confusion, and just direct people to the pics.
Hope this helps (seriously) as I mean it as constructive feedback
Looking forward to those comparison photos of the orcs, Da Boss / Azazelx!
I didn't get all the barbarian heroes in the last ks but I know Hakar can fit on a 25mm base. He does have a wide stance and the tab between his feet is too long to fit in the slot in a 25mm base but if you cut down the tab you can fit Hakar on a 25mm base. His feet just barely fit but it works. I don't know about Garm or SvartUlf. They do come with 40mm based which they fit on no problem. I think they are supposed to be heroes and therefore have bigger based. I assume the idea of heroes on bigger based will be incorporated in the RBG fielder that Tre has said will be forthcoming.
I very much like the scale of the RBG minis, and I think the 20mm bases are much more well proportioned to the smaller miniatures. I can see that for some rule sets you would need to put all on the same base size. Bases are cheap though. I also fail to see how it is misleading that the RBG miniatures keep a consistent scale within the range.
@ Prestor Jon - That makes sense, it's just as I noted in the post you quoted, Wehrkind is Very familiar with the RBG range and scale, and he just said he was surprised by these - they were bigger than other RBG models he's gotten and he just didn't realize it when buying them. I had that experience with the wolves - Fenris is awesome and massive, and the dire wolves are quite small. I would have spent the same amount of money had I known, but I would have gotten more of the models that were the size I wanted (whether large or small) by having that knowledge ahead of time!
@ jorny - Also agreed! The point is simply that people don't always know the size of what they're getting, and (at least in my case) might buy more if they could get a good idea of that. So I am really looking forward to what Tre posted above... seems there won't be any issue here since he is going to post standard scale comparisons up soon, anyway . Really looking forward to that!
tre manor wrote: I WILL get a standard scale comparison up on the site and on the KS page as soon as possible though. I really really do not want anyone feeling fooled.
corgan wrote: The (male) Barbarians of the last KS are exactly the same size of this Norse guy here.
Thanks very much for the pics! And, from those, I see exactly what my friend was referring to - he has a lot of the older RBG models, which easily stand on a 25mm base, and you can see that this one could not possibly do so (or the Barbarians from the next campaign, as you mention). I know it says they are supplied with a 30mm base, but it looks like they would hang over the sides quite a bit still... that is a wide stance! So, it would just be great to have a pic like this upfront (perhaps with the comparison model even being from Tre's own range, if he prefers) just so people can have a good idea of the size. Looking forward to seeing what Tre comes up with in that regard!
This model, obviously, would fit in well with many things... and honestly if I'd realized they were that size, I might have jumped in! More knowledge is definitely a good thing in this case
corgan wrote: You can thank me by commenting on my painting Honesty and good feedback are very welcomed!!
My favorite is the dark elf on the right of the first pic, if that's a standard you're painting a whole fantasy army to, that is quite nice indeed!
@Da Boss - That sounds perfect, thanks
You are welcomed RiTides!! Yes this is a whole army theme, both the Black gurd and the corsair.
Regarding Red Box sizes and bases I second Prestor Jon. It's exactly as he says.
Yeh I can see I do need to clarify a lot mor eof the choices.
Base size and game rules. Yes.....in the rules I was working on multiple models can gang up on other models and the base sizes have a lot of specification for the number of models that can gang up on others. Teh undead specifically are horde models so they are able to gang up with more figures againts opponents.
Base size also dictates a lot about movement and physical fortitude. Figures on samller bases are generally able to move more nimbly than figures on larger bases and can also usually take less damage.
And yes it was also partly an aesthetic choice.
Dodciula, you still have them? Ok shoot me an email and we will work it out. Although I cannot see my figures not fitting in with figures from another manufacturer as being a defect I do prefer to make people happy as often as possible. I have always assumed that my figures are very obviously incompatible with other manufacturers.
Njorn in KS 3.....yes the stance widths got a way from em a little as did the " Hugeness " of the characters. The Njorn are typically supposed to be larger than normal humans to varying degrees. If they are bare chested then you can pretty much assume that they would compare to the average Aenglishman like a 6'6 power lifter vs a 6' footballer. but still the Njorn in KS3 were a little bigger than I woudl have liked.
Teh Helsvakt are intentionally larger and bulkier as per the fluff of their faction. They are borderline super human. The higher their standing amoungst the HelsVakt rank the bigger, and stronger they are.
The undead are emaciated husks of their former selves. So they will appear much leaner and stooped next to the average Human.
corgan wrote: I was wondering when the scale issues was going to pop up once more to a Red Box games discussion. I understand the interest but I find it a little unfair for Tre, this kind of discussion to always take place, considering his minis. I will repost here some pictures I have taken of the Norses of a previous KS of Tre, but still recent. The (male) Barbarians of the last KS are exactly the same size of this Norse guy here. I take a GW Dark Elf corsair as the main comparison figure.
1. Here are the miniatures next to an old Black Guard. It's easy to see that even GW doesn't keep a common size for its minis and tends to "enlarge" the more recent models, as the corsair is larger than Black Guard! It's also easy to see that the Norse guy is taller than the Black Guard.
You can thank me by commenting on my painting Honesty and good feedback are very welcomed!!
Thank you so much! I think I just found my Conan miniature! I'll have to look for some more of the KS3 hero types then since they seem to be larger. Regarding your painting, I sent you a PM so as not to clutter things up here.
corgan wrote: I was wondering when the scale issues was going to pop up once more to a Red Box games discussion. I understand the interest but I find it a little unfair for Tre, this kind of discussion to always take place, considering his minis. I will repost here some pictures I have taken of the Norses of a previous KS of Tre, but still recent. The (male) Barbarians of the last KS are exactly the same size of this Norse guy here. I take a GW Dark Elf corsair as the main comparison figure.
1. Here are the miniatures next to an old Black Guard. It's easy to see that even GW doesn't keep a common size for its minis and tends to "enlarge" the more recent models, as the corsair is larger than Black Guard! It's also easy to see that the Norse guy is taller than the Black Guard.
You can thank me by commenting on my painting Honesty and good feedback are very welcomed!!
Thank you so much! I think I just found my Conan miniature! I'll have to look for some more of the KS3 hero types then since they seem to be larger. Regarding your painting, I sent you a PM so as not to clutter things up here.
You are very welcomed and thank you for the comments. This mini is really good looking.
@Tre, personally I like the size of my Njorns. No worries about it
Hi guys, sorry, I am a couple of days late posting these, got busy in work and didn't have time yesterday! Here are some comparisons of Tre's Orcs and Goblins to GW stuff. I also have his recent Norse if people want comparisons of those, and some of the Aenglish from KS1 just tell me if you would like a comparison of any of those. I have his Dwarves too but Azazelx has documented them pretty thoroughly! Pictures below, spoilered for size.
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As you can see, Tre's orcs are pretty beefy. They are also very hunched, if they reared up they'd be even bigger, very ape-like postures with big guts and long arms. His goblins are really tiny, but I love them- full of character! The bare metal absolutely doesn't do the details justice on my camera btw. The models are gorgeous. There are a couple of other pictures in my gallery.
One thing about the Aenglish from KS1 there was a good degree of shrinkage in those figures. I never noticed it until recently. They are a good 1-2 mm shorter than the metals.
Da Boss wrote: Hi guys, sorry, I am a couple of days late posting these, got busy in work and didn't have time yesterday!
Here are some comparisons of Tre's Orcs and Goblins to GW stuff. I also have his recent Norse if people want comparisons of those, and some of the Aenglish from KS1 just tell me if you would like a comparison of any of those. I have his Dwarves too but Azazelx has documented them pretty thoroughly!
Pictures below, spoilered for size.
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As you can see, Tre's orcs are pretty beefy. They are also very hunched, if they reared up they'd be even bigger, very ape-like postures with big guts and long arms. His goblins are really tiny, but I love them- full of character!
The bare metal absolutely doesn't do the details justice on my camera btw. The models are gorgeous.
There are a couple of other pictures in my gallery.
Should I rehost those pics (with attributation to yourself) when I have time to update the blog with RBG pics?
Da Boss wrote: Absolutely, it makes sense to have the comparisons on a blog rather than scattered around the fora.
If I can do any other comparisons, please let me know.
Done!
if you've got the inclination to do the same for any of his other figures (Aenglish, etc - or anything at all), just post them and I'll put them up as well. I'm in way too much of a gakky mood today (for unrelated reasons) to take photos etc of my own, but I'll do it when I have the chance and am feeling more pleasant.
I'm really liking everything in this KS, but I think it's the brigands that have me most excited; they will be very, very useful in RPG's. And such fun sculpts; I think Bad Betty and Derek the Dim may be my favorites.
The number of pledge levels might look a bit confusing on this project, but it is really quite simple. All figures are $8 apiece, add $5 for US shipping, $15 for rest of the world shipping. Done. The various pledge levels are just different combinations of this formula.
Here's where we are presently:
The 5 initial Njorn (can be had for $8 apiece, or as a set for $40):
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The 5 initial Aenglish (can be had for $8 apiece, or as a set for $40):
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The 5 initial Brigands (can be had for $8 apiece, or as a set for $40):
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Red Meghan ($8):
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Ingvar the Brash ($8):
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Bad Betty ($8):
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Derek the Dim ($8):
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And the next stretch goal, unlocked at $23,500, will be the as of yet unnamed crossbowman:
Will these guys be available from a UK distributor after the KS? There's now a couple I'd quite like but the international shipping kills it(I know that's not anyone's fault, it's just how much it costs, but doubling the cost of two figures to ship is unappealing).
Yodhrin wrote: Will these guys be available from a UK distributor after the KS? There's now a couple I'd quite like but the international shipping kills it(I know that's not anyone's fault, it's just how much it costs, but doubling the cost of two figures to ship is unappealing).
I second this question. Would love to get the brigands plus not-Santa & Derek but shipping and estimated import taxes raise the price to something close to 70 EUR.
A bit stiff for 7 minis.
As for a UK distributor post KS....... Well I had one but i have nto had an order from them in quite some time so I do nto know what the propsects are for them to carry the line from here on. I am working on it though.
As for a UK distributor post KS....... Well I had one but i have nto had an order from them in quite some time so I do nto know what the propsects are for them to carry the line from here on. I am working on it though.
You might try giving Element Games a shout; they're known for being reliable(I use them myself), unlike most stores their website tells you exactly what they have in stock and, if it's not in stock, how long it will take to get more, and they have an "Alternatives" button right at the top of all the 40K/Fantasy army pages that links customers to a list of models from smaller companies that fit the theme of that army which could bump your sales a bit.
Hey Tre, in terms of height/bulk, are the brigands and norse more in line with the Gynnade Krigare from the first KS, or more like Aenglish from that one? The Aenglish were a fair amount smaller/thinner, but I also seem to recall hearing that there was more shrinkage than intended on the Trollcast aenglish.
Also, those brigands look awesome. Very full of character - they kind of remind me of the awesome Cadwallon Guard
Yeh there was a noticable degree of shrinkage in the trollcast Aenglish. The brigands are closer in scale to the Aenglish than they are to the Gynnade. The Gynnade are much large than my usual human scale. They are built on 32 mm armaures and then posed itno whatever height they end up being.
Well the recent figures are not any larger. The Njorn have always run slightly larger than the other Humans as have the Helsvakt. But yes I do need to get a scale comp pic taken and put up..... I am just REALLY busy with all the sculpting and such.
Only 28 hours left on this! Two more stretch goals have been achieved since last I posted, time for a new little summary.. A total of 21 figures have been unlocked at this point, they're all $8 each (with $5 extra for US shipping and $15 for ROW shipping).
Here's where we are presently:
The 5 initial Njorn (can be had for $8 apiece, or as a set for $40):
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The 5 initial Aenglish (can be had for $8 apiece, or as a set for $40):
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The 5 initial Brigands (can be had for $8 apiece, or as a set for $40):
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Red Meghan ($8):
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Ingvar the Brash ($8):
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Bad Betty ($8):
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Derek the Dim ($8):
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Grim Garret ($8):
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Magda from Afar ($8):
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Next stretch goal will be a brigand armed with longbow that Tre's been working on, after that we shall see what he flings at us.
RiTides wrote: Is there a WIP of the brigand with longbow? I've been searching for a good hero with bow...
This is the only one that's been posted so far, but I actually think Tre might have done more work on it; he said he'd post this stretch goal in a couple of hours.
She really is one of Tre's best models. I won't go so far as to say that she is either the best or my favorite, but the sculpt is not only technically proficient, full of character, and uniquely Tre Manor, but it is also something unique among his extant body of work.
I think in Magda you can see elements of Gregor the Crooked, Berochlene the Wise, and of course Yrsa the Accursed, but the figure is overall something quite distinct. Magda, to me at least, seems to express a tension between wild movement and calm serenity, exoticism and comfortable familiarity, modesty and sensuality. It is a lovely piece, and it will be nice to see it finished, and see it again with a high quality paint job, or even several different ones.
Thanks Weeble! I feel like a genuine artist! Funny though that you reference those aprticular figures cause those were the three I had in mind when I started working on it! Those and Myrianna....which I was trying not to draw inspiration from.
Thanks also Fabio, Gref and RiTides! Thanks everybody for all of the support and encouragement. It is fuel for the fire!!
Well they actually bought those scultps outright. But we have discussed the possibility of setting them up as a UK distributor. Lots of tricky details there though.
I was running some errands, realized that funds I had were transferred to the account I use for Kickstarter, went home to up my pledge, and saw things had already wrapped up!
Darn it! At least I'll get a few figures still. Now to figure out what I want...
Congrats on funding though! Some really nice looking figures in this campaign!
Tre: I showed my girlfriend some of the sculpts from this campaign. She's a real opera and high culture snob, usually really dismissive of the whole man dollies hobby. She had to admit, when she realised the size of the miniatures, that what you produce is definitely high quality art. And when I pointed out the date stamps on the posts, and how quickly you can work, she was simply speechless.
I support RBG probably past what I really reasonably should, partially because you produce such wonderful art.
I am really happy I got in on this one! Everyone I have shown RBG minis have been impressed with them. Funny thing about what Da Boss said is that when I showed my girlfriend the kickstarter she told me to get in on it, even if she thinks that I have enough minis already.
Oh and as always, I love the way you make your females strong and full of character and personality instead of the usual boring cheesecake we see to much of in this hobby.
re lizardmen..... I have sculpted several versions that have not yet really hit the mark. I have not finished any of them btu I have several versions int he bin.
Looking at these made me want to go look at other Red Box minis, and now I have to go to the Google. God knows what might happen to me from now to then!
