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Post by: Sinful Hero
You have some awesome looking models! Hopefully I can save up enough scratch before the end of the month to pledge!
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Post by: gohkm
FINALLY!!
In for the full Orcs set plus all the other Orc models.
Beautiful work - Orcs are seldom portrayed as more than savage beasts, this is fantasic, plus I love the Rackham and Ilyad influences.
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Post by: Zond
Miniatures look great. I'm curious as to what is meant by 4 to 10 figures for an average force however. Does that mean that 4 is the minimum and 10 is the maximum? Or that the average points cost means 4 elite guys for some factions and 10 for the lower cost guys? Following up how typical are the starter sets in regards to game size? Low end, high end, inbetween?
I'm also concerned about the costs of the add ons. When a single figure is being discounted down to $13, what is its rrp? And how much does it add on to my army?
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Post by: red_rogue
Thank you for positive feedback! Indeed, it took a lot of time... but I am really happy with results.
Yes, my orcs are brave and proud protectors of Isbran... of course there is something dark in their history at least in Scarlet Watch. Second part of the army (not on this KS) will be much closer to paladins.
Number of miniatures. - well, this is always important issue. I playing skirmishes for a very long time and there is always a problem when numerous army of bad fighter is beating elite. This is something what should not happen. Both armies should fight on equal footing.
So, I made upper limits:
Scarlet Watch (orcs) - max. 10 models - most of the time elite & tough fighters
Howling Horde (barbarians) - max. 14 models - this is really interesting army, because you can make something close to swarm... or play using specialists - warriors with a lot of skills and tactical possibilities, but not so tough as orcs
Alliance of the Bat (dwarves and wulfkin) - max 12 - if you are using more wulfkin than you will be playing less models
Now word about prices - well, Norsgard miniatures are really big and this rises costs. However, prices will be on similiar level to the Infinity (which is great game in my humble opinion - well, just a side note)
I hope that I answered on all your questions.
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Post by: spiralingcadaver
What scale are the minis at? They look really nice, but I'd like them to be compatible with other minis in my collection.
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Post by: kendoka
Would love to be able to buy individual minis, such as the mohawk barbarian chick, Mistress of the Hunt, the Scout, etc.
Also, more barbarians/norse without ridiculous amounts of muscle would be nice.
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Post by: gohkm
It's funded!!
Dammit, I haven't been this excited about a Kickstarter in a long time!
Time to take my meds ...
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Post by: red_rogue
Tommorrow I attach pictures with scale comparisom.
Thank you very much for your help. It is funded so fast!
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Post by: Zond
Thank you for answering my questions, alas I'm a nosy bugger. Are there any more than the three factions you've mentioned planned for this kickstarter? If a third faction is unlocked (or more) will there be some sort of get everything pledge?
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Post by: Vertrucio
At first I thought, more scantily clad fighting women? Really?
Then I saw the men next to them had even less on. And that the proportions on the women were pretty reasonable.
So great job, I'm now actually interested in what you're offering.
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Post by: red_rogue
First of promised photo with scale - Privateer Press (Hordes) and Corvus Belli (Infinity) miniatures are used as scale comparison.
@Zond here we go with answer on your questions: Yes, I have already plans for next 3 factions, but they will not show during this KS, because we are still working on concept arts and we barely started working on rules. So, we will end this campaign with 3 factions (hopefully). Yes, we are thinking about such pledge.
By the way campaign is goind really good and first stretch goal is already unlocked!
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Post by: Wehrkind
Will be watching this eagerly!
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Post by: Zond
Very nice stuff. Looks like Rackham stuff which is always awesome. However, just to add more challenging questions, what makes your game stand out from the competition? We've got Orcs, Barbarians and Dwarf Wolves (actually stunty Werewolves would be awesome), but what's the unique selling point which you feel differentiates you from other fantasy games and settings?
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Post by: cincydooley
Zond wrote:Very nice stuff. Looks like Rackham stuff which is always awesome. However, just to add more challenging questions, what makes your game stand out from the competition? We've got Orcs, Barbarians and Dwarf Wolves (actually stunty Werewolves would be awesome), but what's the unique selling point which you feel differentiates you from other fantasy games and settings?
I hear there's a campaign system.
And some really great looking dwarves.
Those are both enough to pique my interest.
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Post by: Piston Honda
Mixing wolves and dwarves part of the same faction is an interesting choice.
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Post by: red_rogue
@Zond - here we go with answer on your question. First of all armies are not typical. Orcs are proud templars not just mere brutes. You have also dwarves and wulfkin in one army. Barbarians... ok they are just barbarians. I think that game mechanic is totally different. You are rolling a lot of dice in single test. During combat you can modify your combat stats thanks to different combat styles.... well, we are working now on movie. I will let you guys know it will be ready.
Also we have campaign system - I guess nothing new for those of us who are long enough in this hobby. However, for new game it is quite rare. Norsgard has also wonderful arts. Well, I will not tell that this is the best game, because it is not my way of working. However, it is for sure worth to try if you like the theme and I belive that you will not be disappointed as player. As a painter for sure you will enjoy the minis.
Well, time to show the Mistress of the Hunt.
Thank you very much for all your feedback. And let me know if you will want to know anything else.
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Post by: cincydooley
@red - I must say, I'm a HUGE fan of the Mistress of the Hunt. Great design there.
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Post by: jah-joshua
Mistress of the Hunt looks cool, and original...
love the Pan's Labyrinth style head, and the etchings in the axe blade...
very funky  ...
congrats on getting funded...
i look forward to seeing what else you have planned...
cheers
jah
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Post by: red_rogue
Thanks guys. It is also one of my favourite miniature in Norsgard line. Our leading concept artist made awesome job working on her.
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Post by: RiTides
The original minis did not interest me, but that mistress of the hunt render looks fantastic!
I was wondering if you'd noticed this yet  with the wulfkin.
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Post by: gohkm
Just woke up and saw this. Great, that's another $40 bucks from me - for the Mistress and the Wolfen!
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Post by: Alpharius
Are you saying I need to make a WEHRKINDS ARE GONNA WEHRKIND! image for everything werewolf related?
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Post by: TheDraconicLord
jah-joshua wrote:Mistress of the Hunt looks cool, and original...
love the Pan's Labyrinth style head, and the etchings in the axe blade...
very funky  ...
congrats on getting funded...
i look forward to seeing what else you have planned...
cheers
jah
What he said about the head. The "body" already looks pretty good and I love to see the axe handle with a proper wood texture but that head reaaaaally makes the model shine.
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Post by: Piston Honda
Any chance of getting some miniatures in full Armor suits?
Will it be possible to play a Wolfkin only force?
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Post by: gohkm
Actually, is there any chance you would consider an 'all-barbarians' or 'all-orcs' bundle, where you get ALL the figures from a single faction?
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Post by: kendoka
Could we have a (simulated) scale comparison between the Mistress and a few GW minis please?
I.e. for example taking the Mistress render and scaling it to proportion besides an Dark Elf, Chaos Marauder, Empire Wizard and a Gor...
Will definitely back this KS if she is usable in WHF!
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Post by: red_rogue
@Piston Honda - now it will be impossible to play pure wulfkin force. They lack commander now. After releasing all miniatures from the rulebook wulfkin will get commander and than you will be able to play full wulfkin army. Now you can muster 0 -4 Wulfkin Warriors, 0 -1 Armsmaster (there is an army variant which allows to take 2nd Armsmaster), 0 -1 Silver Fury (she-mage). We have in plans Iron Guard (dwarves) they will wear really heavy armor.
@Gohkm - we can think about it. However, we do not have many add-ons and I do not see a point for making such bundle.
@Kendoka - I hope that this will help:
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Post by: Zond
I like the Mistress, she's awesome. Don't misunderstand me, I wasn't trying to imply you only had fantasy stereotypes on the go, proud orcs and human barbarians are awesome, there's a reason they're popular and we don't need to reinvent the wheel. :-) Looking forward to the mechanics being discussed.
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Post by: Wehrkind
Yea, loving that Mistress of the Hunt something fierce! I have to admit, I am trying to not pay too much attention to this just now, but some good renders and prints will draw the line between getting the Mistress and a few werewolves and getting an entire faction of barbarians for me. RiTides can attest to my unhealthy obsession with collecting barbarian tribesmen...
As for werewolves, are there unpainted images of the figures floating around somewhere?
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Post by: Mymearan
The mistress looks awesome... Except the gigantic boob suspenders. Any chance for a version with a different torso?
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Post by: kendoka
37 mm from sole to horn sounds perfect!
PS: Now backed ($130.00 Barbarians).
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Post by: red_rogue
@Zond - good to hear, because it was never my intention reinvent the wheel. Orcs as paladins is enough for now  .
@Mymearan - no we will keep like it is now. Let's assume that sculptor had worser day and need something to cheer about. However, speaking more seriously some elements have to be bigger on the sculpt, because details are planned for much smaller scale than the render on the screen. I belive that after printing it will look fine (although boobs will be still big).
@Kendoka - wow, awesome job!
@Wehrkind: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1620970905/norsgard-miniature-game/posts/1040309 in update 4 if you need more pics let me know
Give me few more days with rules. We already working on a movie showing close combat example. I think that this the most important part of the game... All in all that is the reason why we meet on the battlefield.
Next week I hope that I will show wulfkin warrior. He will be much stronger build and his face will be wider.
Automatically Appended Next Post:
We are really close to unlock Alliance of the Bat starter. Thank you very much for all your help.
Here we go with 2nd dwarf ranger - still WIP.
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Post by: Wehrkind
Cool, thanks!
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Post by: red_rogue
We are now working on movie showing combat. I also got a word from the sculptor around next Thursday we will show wulfkin warrior... and I hope that she-wulfkin mage will also follow up quickly.
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Post by: TheDraconicLord
red_rogue wrote:We are now working on movie showing combat. I also got a word from the sculptor around next Thursday we will show wulfkin warrior... and I hope that she-wulfkin mage will also follow up quickly.
Any chances to see the design / artwork of said wulfkin miniatures?
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Post by: red_rogue
First of all first update with rules. Now you will have idea what is on card:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1620970905/norsgard-miniature-game/posts
Here it is wulfki warrior concept art. For she-mage you will have to wait until next week (I can't show everything at once). Also if nothing unexpected will happen first WIPs of wulfkin warrior will be also during next week.
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Post by: Zond
So when is the I want all the things pledge coming?
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Post by: red_rogue
I think that it will happen during this week. Soon, we will add the new pledges (Alliance of the Bat) and than we will think about pledge including all things.
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Post by: Moopy
Reminds me greatly of Confrontation.
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Post by: red_rogue
No wonder - most of the concept artists made in the past arts for Confrontation.
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Post by: Shrapnelsmile
I just backed this, so many appealing elements especially the narrative game play and of course these sculpts.
My faith in smaller companies, however, is tempered by caution. Some bad experiences as of late. "Slow and steady wins the race" Norsgard -- I love the simplicity of your Kickstarter. I hope it stays within its means.
Now, onto more tidbits of information! thank you.
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Post by: red_rogue
Thank you very much. It is good to hear that you understand that small company is working in different way than large ones. I belive that you will be satisfied with product quality at the end. For sure idea for this campaign will not change. I hope that we will reach around 200 backers and than everything planned for this will be unlocked. I want to get she-wulfkin mage unlocked during campaign (she will be after orc scout) and resculpt one miniature for Howling Horde - Hlle Huntress and than all of 3 armies will be playable and I will be more than happy.
Around Thursday we will finally show first video concerning close combat.
If you have any questions feel free to ask. I try to check forums on regular basis and I will try to answer as best as I can.
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Post by: Platuan4th
DEM WULFKIN.
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Post by: Barzam
Stop trying to get me to back more Kickstarters when my hobby budget is low. I need to save some money right now! I'd really like some of those wolves though.
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Post by: red_rogue
@Barzam wait few days more until you will see wulfkins. Sculptor is already working on them  .
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Post by: Platuan4th
red_rogue wrote:@Barzam wait few days more until you will see wulfkins. Sculptor is already working on them  .
JOY AND GLEE
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Post by: Guildsman
I hate to be "that guy," but could you explain shipping to me? Do the $45 pledges cover US shipping? I'm super interested in the Alliance starter, as soon as it's available.
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Post by: red_rogue
@Guildsman no problem  . KS has changed recently methods of paying for pledges. So, in case of shipping to US you will have to pay +$15 compared to pledge costs on the left side. Please take a look on graphic version of the pledges. You gave you total cost wit shipping. Just to be sure that you will know how much you will have to pay.
You can already make a pledge for Alliance of the Bat starter set. There is no graphic for it, because I am still waiting for first renders of wulfkin warrior. I need few days more.
In each starter set you will find quick start rules.
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Post by: TheDraconicLord
red_rogue wrote:@Barzam wait few days more until you will see wulfkins. Sculptor is already working on them  .
I eagerly await to see the she-wulfkin ... I'm already tempted to back so I can get that Mistress of the Hunt, I hope it will be something that'll just make me go "feth it" and pledge right away
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Post by: Guildsman
Very interesting. If the rest of the wulfkin sculpts are as good as the ones we've seen so far, I'll be in for an Alliance starter at the $45 level.
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Post by: red_rogue
They will be... I already discused with sculptor what we want to get. We just need few days more. We are now working on two different wulfkin warrior sculpts with all parts fully interchangeable between models + additional head and arm.
She-wulfkin mage concept art is ready. So, you can expect that I will soon show it.
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Post by: red_rogue
We have already unlocked Alliance of the Bat army. You guys are awesome.
Wulfkin warriors... I know that you are waiting for them, but we need few more days. Sculpting takes much more time than planned, because we decided to make fully interchangable parts. However, lets see what else we have prepared. Silver Fury - she-wulfkin mage.
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Post by: Rolt
Shes very nice, almost seems more jackle-like than the males, love the colour scheme.
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Post by: TheDraconicLord
red_rogue wrote:We have already unlocked Alliance of the Bat army. You guys are awesome.
Wulfkin warriors... I know that you are waiting for them, but we need few more days. Sculpting takes much more time than planned, because we decided to make fully interchangable parts. However, lets see what else we have prepared. Silver Fury - she-wulfkin mage.
Yep. You nailed it. I've reached the "feth it" state. Just give me the option to get one of those beauties and I'm so in <3
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Post by: Platuan4th
Rolt wrote:
Shes very nice, almost seems more jackle-like than the males, love the colour scheme.
That was true of many of the female Wolfen in Confrontation, so it was a bit expected what with it being the same artist and what not.
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Post by: red_rogue
well, some good news... first of all dwarves:
Next week wulfkin warrior. You will love them
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Post by: red_rogue
As I promised.... Wulfkin Warrior and Dwarf Lord - both models are still WIPs adn both are from Alliance of the Bat starter set.
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Post by: Wehrkind
The wulfkin looks good, although the tongue sticking out past her teeth makes it look like he is coming in for a little lick. Which would probably still be scary, but not perhaps in the way you are going for
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Post by: Alpharius
Ridiculous Tongues are a GW (and sometimes PP) 'thing' that I wish would go away.
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Post by: RivenSkull
That tongue is pretty damned close to the actual size of a dog's tongue. Just barely hanging out when the mouth is open.
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Post by: Sinful Hero
Aside from the tongue issue(which doesn't bother me), I think these are looking to be some of the better werewolf miniatures out there.
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Post by: red_rogue
Really big thank you about the tongue... Such comments are really helpful, thanks for good examples I know that we will make small change in that case before it will go for printing. By the way we will soon make another update... and this wulfking will be added for free to Champion and higher pledges.
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Post by: Alpharius
This is good news!
And to be fair, I shouldn't have said that the "tongue problem" here was even close to as bad as it is over in GW-land...
Anyway, hurrah for a victory for the Wehrkind Tongue Factor ( WTF) and good to see the RivenSkull Tongue Factor (RTF) go down in defeat again!
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Post by: SilverMK2
Love the barbarians - they look fantastic... Hell everything does
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Post by: red_rogue
We will be still working on the wulfkin, but I already promised something.... I know that during our campaign you are not going to get a ton of freebies for various reasons, but we can give our backers at least something really good. So, please share it with your friends:
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Post by: Wehrkind
Well, at least this "factor" doesn't have a name that implies I have ED!
Any other angles on the wolfkin render? I am kind of curious as to how thick that ax head actually is.
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Post by: Piston Honda
Is the whole world just one giant cold tundra? Or is it only the main continent or part of it?
Are there seasons like we see on earth?
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Post by: RivenSkull
My dog refuses to accept this
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Post by: Alpharius
Your dog isn't ready to bite anyone in that picture!
Therefore, even your dog votes "NO!" for RTF!
In other words, he's clearly a WTF supporter!
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Post by: RivenSkull
Our shared response:
Back on topic though, that is a fantastic werewolf figure regardless
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Post by: red_rogue
@Wehrkind - please checj update #22
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1620970905/norsgard-miniature-game/posts/1054533
Axe is already smaller when you look at last render (red wulfkin). For sure it needs a little more attention like sharp edge. We will also make a little thinner, but it will really small difference. I want to avoid problem with to thin parts.
@Piston Honda - more or less Isbran is cold tundra with some volcanic areas... It is not the only one continent. However, I think that for long time we will stay here. There are so many places to explore... like caves in volcanic areas. We still need to introduce one special race responsible for current tragedy of dwarves.
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Post by: Wehrkind
Ahh cool, good timing
Have you considered making the skull/fang detailing an inlay instead of an extrusion? I like the idea of putting in some nice detail on the ax head, and by making it look like a carving it won't add awkward thickness to the ax head. Plus it will save a little material, which isn't a bad thing over a few thousand runs
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Post by: red_rogue
Good idea... there is second wulfkin warrior in sculpting process... so, we will make something like this on next one.
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Here we go... now I hope that you will like changes:
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Post by: Alpharius
I know I do - and I'm sure RivenSkull's dog does too!
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Post by: Wehrkind
Very nice!
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Post by: red_rogue
Good to hear and really thank you for your help.
Well, having Golden Retriver at home does not help when you want to get angry wulfkin face  .
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Post by: Wehrkind
Hehe, yea the friendly types are a bit misleading in regards to proper tongue placement  I have been trying to find some pictures of my cats with their tongues poking out like that too, to no avail.
Those raspy buggers are no where to be seen when they are biting, however!
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Post by: red_rogue
Well, we are close to unlock Silver Fury - thank you very much... So, we will be still supporting Alliance of the Bat. Around Sunday we will add another wulfkin warriors to the add-ons and I hope that we will also unlock this little fellow:
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Post by: red_rogue
Something really big for Friday:
-Silver Fury already unlocked
Orc rider on the horizon
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Post by: RiTides
red_rogue wrote:
Good to hear and really thank you for your help.
Well, having Golden Retriver at home does not help when you want to get angry wulfkin face  .
Oh that is hilarious  . Love the tweak to the sculpt/render, too!
The new orc cavalry art looks awesome.
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Post by: red_rogue
Last week of our campaign started. Let's make it big and unlock orc rider  . You will get some additional parts which will be KS exclusive parts:
-banner
-head in helmet
-2 arms
and here we go with colored version of the Dwarf Lord
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Post by: Alpharius
I absolutely love your version of Dwarfs, and that they're allied with Werewolves!
I am also absolutely maxed out budget-wise and am extremely sad that it looks as if I won't be able to afford this stuff!
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Post by: red_rogue
Thank you very much for comment about our dwarfs. Speaking about cavalry. We already have really great support from our backers and for really unknown company we can be only really happy with resulst. For sure I cannot ask for more from all of you.
Orc rider is really hard project, because it is not for the game. So, I cannot justify to use a budget reserved for a game in his case. Also making really big mini means really high printing costs than some parts will be casted in resin and some in metal... well, we can do it, but we want to do it with good style. I still have high hopes that last 2 days will make a difference and we still have last aces in our sleeve like another wulfkin warrior  ... However, I can promise you one thing - you will see a render of rider and his mount during updates after campaign. I already decided with the sculptor that we are going to sculpt this one... we postponed it so many times already. If it will be possible we will try to release him. If not... we will fight for the rider in next year. Do not worry I will not allow to waste this wonderful art  .
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Post by: Zond
I'm hoping to go for all the factions, but it might have to be a dollar pledge for post kickstarter goodness.
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Post by: TheDraconicLord
Backed. Told ya that Silver Fury would kick my self-restraint right in the ass. Good luck with the remaining stretch goals
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Post by: tommse
I like the general feeling of your models but somehow the dwarfs look like regular humans with short legs, the proportions are slightly off.
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Post by: red_rogue
Thanks guys! Indeed, Silver Fury will be great miniature. Our wulfkin dedicated sculptor is now finishing his work on another wulfkin warrior and than he wil start thinking about SIlver Fury.
@Zond - well, it will be awesome it would help to unlock Orc Rider, but we will also give our backers time to make decision after KS. I want to send surveys in January and than everyone will have a chance to decide what will want to take and increse pledge if needed.
@tommse - They are much wider in shoulders and proportions are slightly different as you said. Also they are lower than humans. We just do not want to make another standard dwarf and due this fact it is closer to humans.
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Post by: Wehrkind
Ok, so let us assume for a few moments that I cannot read.
Say I wanted a pack of the Howling Horde models, the Huntress model, and one of every werewolf unlocked. How much do I have to pledge to make that happen?
Oh, and when answering, assume I will be able to read your response... hmmm the basic premise here doesn't work too well!
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Post by: red_rogue
@Wehrkind - here we go with answer:
First of all selected Barbarian Warrior pledge - you will get starter set for Howling Horde: $45 + $15 Shipping = $60
I assume that you are talking about Mistress of the Hunt - $12
We have currently 3 wulfkin miniatures unlocked: Armsmaster, Silver Fury and Wulfkin Warrior. Each wulfkin costs $18. So, for 3 wulfkins you will have to pay $55.
In total it will be $60 + $12 + $55 = $127
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Post by: Wehrkind
Sweet. Let the Black Friday planning begin!
Thanks for the help!
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Post by: red_rogue
This one still need some more work, but we can already show second wulfkin warrior:
We will also have a special offer for Black Friday  .
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Post by: red_rogue
Our Black Friday special offer - until Friday midnight in your time zone! Do you hear their howls?
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Post by: GiraffeX
How do you pick the special offer, I cant see an option on KS?
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Post by: red_rogue
Indeed, there is no such pledge. Just pick a pledge Rider or higher and add $45 to your pledge. After Kickstarter will end we will send you a survey in which you will be able to mark Black Friday offer.
Basically only new backers from Saturda and Sunday (29-30/NOV) will not get Black Friday offer. I decided that there is no point for making such pledge, because it will be confusing for our current backers. I hope that I answer clear enough on your question.
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Post by: red_rogue
Final hours of the campaign already started... Well, this is high time to say that we will not unlock orc rider during THIS campaign. So, guys please lower your pledges if you already gave money for cavalry. Do not worry we will try another day.
However, let's make last big stand and unlock last orc warrior from the rulebook - Ravn Skaller ($15). We have to reac 24.5K to unlock the last warrior during this campaign. However. if we will reach to goal than you will get also resin crow miniature. Crow will be KS exclusicve.
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Post by: Shrapnelsmile
FYI everyone -- you can add on this sweet orc model and Raven for $15 if they stay solid at 22K.
Grab a friend and jump in if you can, these models are stellar and the company is very responsive.
Building a wolf / dwarf army is especially affordable.
Cheers and keep up the good work Norsgard crew!
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Post by: red_rogue
Campaign will soon end. Things are really going great and it is last chance to join us.
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Post by: TheDraconicLord
I received today my Mistress of the Hunt and Silver Fury
Beautiful quality, the MotH looks perfect with lots of tiny details. The horns are separated so you can choose how you want her to look. Hornless or, well, pinning hell I suppose  The only mold lines I see I have to remove are on the head, everything else looks clean. Really awesome quality.
SF has big sprues sticking out of her and that's it! She's one BIG lady, filled with details and all smooth except for the sprues.
Fantastic models, great KS, I'm glad I helped out! Awesome work
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Post by: MeanGreenStompa
My Horde minis I had ordered (after the kickstarter closed) came through today and I am 'jaw to the floor' with the quality of the casting, the detail and the sculpts.
I want to tell you all just what a great quality product these minis are and so beautiful I am entirely daunted to paint them up.
A++!!!
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Post by: Chopxsticks
So pretty sad I am just now seeing this... Will these be available to order online some place?
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
You can get them (at least the currently released ones) at their own online store http://norsgard.com/store.html and it looks like CMON carries the line but does not have much of the recent stuff yet https://www.coolminiornot.com/shop/miniatures/norsgard
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Post by: MeanGreenStompa
Seriously, I'm not one for hype and those who've been around a while know I'm something of a cynic, but these. minis. are. beautifully. done.
I'm in love with this stuff.
http://www.norsgard.com/store.html
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Post by: -DE-
There's a new Kickstarter coming in October to fund 3 new armies. More information on the FB page:
https://www.facebook.com/Norsgard-204145149680535/timeline/
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Post by: MeanGreenStompa
Think I'll make sure I'm quicker in this time. Undead elves sounds very interesting!
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