After all these years, that original theme still hits me in the feels. I thought it was amazing when I first heard it, just a great piece of music. And the way it is teased in these trailers just gives me chills.
d-usa wrote: After all these years, that original theme still hits me in the feels. I thought it was amazing when I first heard it, just a great piece of music. And the way it is teased in these trailers just gives me chills.
Well since JP movies have gotten progressively worse after the first movie this movie ought to keep the tradition going. Cept this might be a new level of bad - this might be so bad that it will be good. Which has me kind of excited.
Well, this one at least has a decent plot on par with the first one.
The Park is finally open! Thousands of visitors! We've genetically engineered a dinosaur, because thats a good idea! O'dear its so smart that it escaped and started eating people! We need to catch it! Epic chase/fight scenes followed by total park collapse!
So Ingen (is Ingen still a thing?) crossed a Tyrannosaurus Rex with a Velociraptor and now the humans have to team up with the dinosaurs to take it out?
This movie is going to -eat-. Sorry, but the only thing that is giving it any kind of goodwill is the franchise. And it is a franchise, outside of its first movie, that has not been good.
Alex C wrote: So Ingen (is Ingen still a thing?) crossed a Tyrannosaurus Rex with a Velociraptor and now the humans have to team up with the dinosaurs to take it out?
This is Michael Bay levels of stupid plot.
None of the JP movies had a decent plot. But thats not the point, the point is dinosaurs eating people!
Alex C wrote: So Ingen (is Ingen still a thing?) crossed a Tyrannosaurus Rex with a Velociraptor and now the humans have to team up with the dinosaurs to take it out?
This is Michael Bay levels of stupid plot.
None of the JP movies had a decent plot. But thats not the point, the point is dinosaurs eating people!
Hybrid Dinosaurs eating people.
Though I guess that applies to any of them really, but the new one they invented sounds like a 5-year-old came up with the idea.
Alex C wrote: So Ingen (is Ingen still a thing?) crossed a Tyrannosaurus Rex with a Velociraptor and now the humans have to team up with the dinosaurs to take it out?
This is Michael Bay levels of stupid plot.
As of "The Lost World", InGen was still a thing--but going into bankruptcy. The point of the expedition to Isla Sorna was to get a number of the animals to prove the venture had potential to investors.
Alex C wrote: So Ingen (is Ingen still a thing?) crossed a Tyrannosaurus Rex with a Velociraptor and now the humans have to team up with the dinosaurs to take it out?
This is Michael Bay levels of stupid plot.
As of "The Lost World", InGen was still a thing--but going into bankruptcy. The point of the expedition to Isla Sorna was to get a number of the animals to prove the venture had potential to investors.
Ah, thanks, I kinda blocked out memory of films 2 and 3...
Xenomancers wrote: Well since JP movies have gotten progressively worse after the first movie this movie ought to keep the tradition going. Cept this might be a new level of bad - this might be so bad that it will be good. Which has me kind of excited.
One of these days people are going to realize big budget films, Hollywood or not, historically or modern, aren't meant to reflect reality and we will stop hearing complaints like this.
They had me until "we decided to make a new dinosaur" at which point the brain dead stupidity just completely lost me. I know that films of this nature often run on the 'arrogance of man' and all that, but there comes a point where an idea is just too stupid for me to seriously believe anyone would actually do it. Why would they even make one? What's the purpose other than "we need a disaster for this plot to run on, doesn't matter if any sense is made."
It's like the whole Resident Evil thing. I could buy an evil corporation with no care for it's actions starting a zombie apocalypse scenario, but that they'd be dumb enough to do it again instead of cutting their loses is just to far into the realm of dumbness for me to buy into.
Probably still gonna go see it XD Hunting raptors is kind of bad ass
LordofHats wrote: They had me until "we decided to make a new dinosaur" at which point the brain dead stupidity just completely lost me. I know that films of this nature often run on the 'arrogance of man' and all that, but there comes a point where an idea is just too stupid for me to seriously believe anyone would actually do it. Why would they even make one? What's the purpose other than "we need a disaster for this plot to run on, doesn't matter if any sense is made."
Yeah, its not like they needed to genetically engineer the dinosaur for the disaster to take place. It could easily have just been "Hey, we found a mosquito with an unknown dinosaur's DNA in it, lets find out what it is!"
I mean, they could have the disaster without any sort of new dinosaur, the existing ones are more than capable of causing havoc. But that was what happened in the previous 3 movies.
I will probably end up seeing it, the other films form an integral part of my childhood. There is a reason I got addicted to walking with dinosaurs after all.
This 'we made a new dinosaur because it's fun'! idea is pretty lame. Apparently park attendance is declining, probably because everyone in the world is sick of seeing dinosaurs.......
I do remember them saying that they were not going to give the dinosaurs feathers because it would break continuallity with the earlier films.
InGen has been bought out by this point, which is how the park opened.
I seem to recall that one of the themes they wanted was imagining a kid standing before a tyrannosaurus, staring in to his phone. Basically it wasn't enough anymore- kids became used to the "same old dinosaurs". Something that seems utterly ridiculous to us(OMG dinosaurs!), but go to a circus or zoo and Tweens and teens everywhere are staring in to phones half the time.
LordofHats wrote: They had me until "we decided to make a new dinosaur" at which point the brain dead stupidity just completely lost me. I know that films of this nature often run on the 'arrogance of man' and all that, but there comes a point where an idea is just too stupid for me to seriously believe anyone would actually do it. Why would they even make one? What's the purpose other than "we need a disaster for this plot to run on, doesn't matter if any sense is made."
Yeah, its not like they needed to genetically engineer the dinosaur for the disaster to take place. It could easily have just been "Hey, we found a mosquito with an unknown dinosaur's DNA in it, lets find out what it is!"
I mean, they could have the disaster without any sort of new dinosaur, the existing ones are more than capable of causing havoc. But that was what happened in the previous 3 movies.
Maybe the genetic material was too degraded and so filled in the gaps with some other dinosaur's DNA. Like the first movie, but with larger gaps. It would make a good excuse.
My thought is still, that the reason they're making the film is they saw the popularity of the syfy movie of the weeks (EG Sharktopus) and thought, "yeah, why don't we have some of that action?
I really wish they would just go back to the damn book and make an actual movie based on it. The original concept was great as it didn't do any romanticized Spielberg bs about the dinosaurs being "innocent" and where anyone with a gun got nommed.
Originally Jurassic Park was about the the endless corporate greed of mankind making genetic freaks (that were NOT Dinosaurs) for cheap thrills and to make a quick buck, when only even more greed undercut the entire project and those responsible were hoist by their own petards.
The only real draw to Jurassic Park were the special effects in the first movie, which were executed so well it's incredibly hard at times to tell what's CGI and what's a machine. This of course evaporated in the second and third movie. Plus with the third movie we strayed into a realm of stupid so great it got offensive (although what more could be expected with Jack Horner being your adviser?).
When you stand making your own dinosaurs its no longer a dinosaur movie, its crossed genres to a monster movie.
We have a Liopleuodon shaped lake gaiju which is at least 50m long rising from the water, that was the original size for Gojira. To put that in perspective, its flippers are whale sized.
It would have weigh at least 400 tons, and its able to leap.
We have a super smart (why?) super large dinosaur that is only of use for 'weapons division' and to train raptors also smack of Weyland Yutani.
It's a monster mash, and belongs in the graveyard smash.
I mean, they could have the disaster without any sort of new dinosaur, the existing ones are more than capable of causing havoc. But that was what happened in the previous 3 movies.
that was the filmmakers cliche. Failure was inevitable.
Actually it wasn't. It took sabotage to bring the park down. Though the enclosure walls should have had more concrete and less wire. Also Nedry only needed to isolate the security at one point, if he kept the Raptor fences up he could have kept them all up. It was the only flaw in an excellent movie and entiorely forgivaelbe because Nedry was an arse who cared for nothing but himself and didnt care if the park failed so long as he got the $.
The second film relied on a moron taking control and remaining to press buttons like a monkey in an expensive suit. even so it took sabotage to ruin the plans there. The city zoo would have worked, in fat it would have been better. The preachy heroes smashed the survival gear of the collect team, who were lawfully there, and then took the only rescue chopped leaving them to die.
The film was annoying in so many ways from Jeff Goldblum's smugness (no acting required) to the all Hispanics are ignorant and panicy racist cliche, to the eco moral high ground, to the it doesn't matter how many Hispanic mooks die, and back to Jeff Goldblum because he deserves double mention. If the mercs were black it would have been noticed more.
JP2 is saved from being a total turkey by Pete Postlethwaite and the dino in the city scene, especially the Gojira homage with running asian tourists. Any or all of the protagonists could have been eaten to improve my enjoying experience with the kid being the only exception, she did nothing wrong. However it was blindly obvious they had a 1+ plot armour save apart from the doomed unphotogenic practical supporting type.
JP3 is a rescue adventure movie on a known dino island and doesn't count.
JP4 could have a cult sabotage the park for 'playing God', deliberately trash things and loose dinosaurs. It would be plausible and then the defences that keep dinos out hamper efforts to flee.
Training raptors is perfectly legit I think. They're shown to be highly intelligent already and what do zoos and the like do with every other animal they can? They train them in various behaviors that make it easier to do their jobs.
Making the "super" Dino is also entirely plausable as humans have engaged with genetic modifications for centuries, just thru the slower meathod of selective breeding. The moment this kind of genetic modification and cloning and stuff becomes really feasible people are going to be making all kinds of weird animals trying to improve on nature.
Looks cool and I will go see it with my nephew, but I am STILL waiting for a JP movie that uses either of the books as more than a vague reference. Hell the second movie completely gave up even following the book at the end, and I was disgusted when it happened.
I absolutely loved the original when I red in in third grade (my teacher actually forced me to get a parent slip proving they were allowing me to read it, lol).
Yeah. That's the part I really want to see. That human raptor hybrid monstrosity should never have been born, but the Raptor Squad is an awesome idea XD I'd hate for the Raptor Squad to be one of those trailer gimmicks where they all get knocked off like cheap mooks without doing much XD
That's what killed AVP for me. The Predators just dropped like flies within moments of the 'AV' part of AVP.
I'd really love for the Raptors to be minor characters in their own right, with little personalities and stuff, but maybe that's hoping for too much XD
I'd really love for the Raptors to be minor characters in their own right, with little personalities and stuff, but maybe that's hoping for too much XD
I'd really love for the Raptors to be minor characters in their own right, with little personalities and stuff, but maybe that's hoping for too much XD
Has anyone mentioned that the new dino is killing for sport? That's a pretty awesome plot point, seeing as very few animals hunt for anything other than food and survival, bar one of course.
Deadshot wrote: Has anyone mentioned that the new dino is killing for sport? That's a pretty awesome plot point, seeing as very few animals hunt for anything other than food and survival, bar one of course.
Deadshot wrote: Has anyone mentioned that the new dino is killing for sport? That's a pretty awesome plot point, seeing as very few animals hunt for anything other than food and survival, bar one of course.
Deadshot wrote: Has anyone mentioned that the new dino is killing for sport? That's a pretty awesome plot point, seeing as very few animals hunt for anything other than food and survival, bar one of course.
You mean dolphins?
dogs, cats, all of their sub species and dolphins are all i can think off lol.
If somebody is just breeding a punch of raptors in a row it would make sense to just name them Alpha, Beta, Charlie, Delta, Echo, etc etc etc instead of 1, 2, 3. It's an easy enough enough naming convention to implement.
I'm just gonna guess that they will be fighting Alpha and Beta at some point...
"Charlie, Delta, Echo.r, do you copy"
"Rawr, Grggl Rawr"
"Whos idea was it to have these guys fight the Dino?"
" SCREEEEEETCH! SCREEETCH!........screetch."
"Oh crap! The super Dino just broke through the outer perimeter and ate Johnson and Stockholm! Now it's on its way to the gift shop and there's a tour of innocent orphans there!!"
"Screetch?"
"Oh sorry, Echo just needed a mic check"
Blue Raptor just made me imagine some grotesque instantaneous metamorphosis into a Voltron, with the raptors joining Starlord to become Velocitron, a creature of snarls and murder. If they give them voice simulators, like that dog in UP, I will be there opening night, hooting and hollering for them to 'Form Blazing CLAW!'
Gitzbitah wrote: Blue Raptor just made me imagine some grotesque instantaneous metamorphosis into a Voltron, with the raptors joining Starlord to become Velocitron, a creature of snarls and murder. If they give them voice simulators, like that dog in UP, I will be there opening night, hooting and hollering for them to 'Form Blazing CLAW!'
I can see the bio-engineered dinosaur being hit by the train and taken over the pond to be fed to the mosasaurus. Shark feeding scene and train location are too convenient.
If somebody is just breeding a punch of raptors in a row it would make sense to just name them Alpha, Beta, Charlie, Delta, Echo, etc etc etc instead of 1, 2, 3. It's an easy enough enough naming convention to implement.
I'm just gonna guess that they will be fighting Alpha and Beta at some point...
I suppose it makes sense as a naming convention.
It's just trying to legitimize a trained/domesticated (for lack of better terms) squad of Velociraptors, I find the concept ridiculous...
I can see the bio-engineered dinosaur being hit by the train and taken over the pond to be fed to the mosasaurus. Shark feeding scene and train location are too convenient.
You know...there's a good percentage chance of that. Good call!
Why just eat tourists ajnd cause mayhem when you can do a proper takeover. The park is automated right, so you just need a claws on solution at head office.
Corporate Raptor executive of Raptor Inc after the hostile takeover of Isla Nublar from the tasty humans.
If somebody is just breeding a punch of raptors in a row it would make sense to just name them Alpha, Beta, Charlie, Delta, Echo, etc etc etc instead of 1, 2, 3. It's an easy enough enough naming convention to implement.
I'm just gonna guess that they will be fighting Alpha and Beta at some point...
I suppose it makes sense as a naming convention.
It's just trying to legitimize a trained/domesticated (for lack of better terms) squad of Velociraptors, I find the concept ridiculous...
Yeah, I mean who tries to train or domesticate animals like that?
TBF it's probably just a toy based on the idea of mutant dinosaurs, like the old Chaos Effect toy line they had. More than likely it won't feature in the film- Character seems surprised they made a mutant Dino when talking about Indominus Rex, so I would assume it's the only one.
I hope so. Like I say, it's something that's cool when you don't get how science works, but in practice, it's somewhat stupid.
That said, I'm amused to see the toys still come with a battle wound and attack actions, I have some just like that from the originals all those years ago...
I really hope the humanize the raptors....having them play tug of war and making sacrifices to save their master. Doing tricks and stuff. would be classic.
If somebody is just breeding a punch of raptors in a row it would make sense to just name them Alpha, Beta, Charlie, Delta, Echo, etc etc etc instead of 1, 2, 3. It's an easy enough enough naming convention to implement.
I'm just gonna guess that they will be fighting Alpha and Beta at some point...
I suppose it makes sense as a naming convention.
It's just trying to legitimize a trained/domesticated (for lack of better terms) squad of Velociraptors, I find the concept ridiculous...
Well, dogs are social pack hunters. Raptors are social pack hunters. They could theoretically be domesticated.
We'd probably want to try with actual Veloceraptors first, the ones the size of a chicken, before we tried what the films actually represent in the Deinonychus.
If somebody is just breeding a punch of raptors in a row it would make sense to just name them Alpha, Beta, Charlie, Delta, Echo, etc etc etc instead of 1, 2, 3. It's an easy enough enough naming convention to implement.
I'm just gonna guess that they will be fighting Alpha and Beta at some point...
I suppose it makes sense as a naming convention.
It's just trying to legitimize a trained/domesticated (for lack of better terms) squad of Velociraptors, I find the concept ridiculous...
Well, dogs are social pack hunters. Raptors are social pack hunters. They could theoretically be domesticated.
We'd probably want to try with actual Veloceraptors first, the ones the size of a chicken, before we tried what the films actually represent in the Deinonychus.
That's another thing that always bothered me about their "Velociraptors".
There's already perfectly good Dinosaurs that fit the bill, without having to embiggen them.
And yes, I'm sure you could train them. But the film seems to present some sort of on-the-fly alliance. I'm half expecting a guy who "studied their vocalizations", complete with the 3D-printed Raptor voicebox, to issue commands...
After reading a little more in to what InGen is doing(weapons manufacture and what not), I'm thinking the Raptor squad and Indominus are being studied for military use. Maybe unbeknownst to the protagonists, but I'd bet money that's going to get mentioned
Sinful Hero wrote: After reading a little more in to what InGen is doing(weapons manufacture and what not), I'm thinking the Raptor squad and Indominus are being studied for military use. Maybe unbeknownst to the protagonists, but I'd bet money that's going to get mentioned
Because why build a bomb when you can genetically engineer prehistoric animals to unleash upon your foes?
This film is like the 9-year old version of me's wet dream. 20 years ago, this would have had me drooling with excitement. I'm gonna set 9-yr old me free in the theater. Damn the insanity, this looks like a triceratops' crapload of fun. Feth the haters.
This film is like the 9-year old version of me's wet dream. 20 years ago, this would have had me drooling with excitement. I'm gonna set 9-yr old me free in the theater. Damn the insanity, this looks like a triceratops' crapload of fun. Feth the haters.
Sinful Hero wrote: After reading a little more in to what InGen is doing(weapons manufacture and what not), I'm thinking the Raptor squad and Indominus are being studied for military use. Maybe unbeknownst to the protagonists, but I'd bet money that's going to get mentioned
Because why build a bomb when you can genetically engineer prehistoric animals to unleash upon your foes?
XKCD is all over the bird situation. Replacing bird with dinosaur is mighty- as my toddler is eating a dino nugget, and anything that dies near the road is devoured by packs of dinosaurs.
XKCD is all over the bird situation. Replacing bird with dinosaur is mighty- as my toddler is eating a dino nugget, and anything that dies near the road is devoured by packs of dinosaurs.
Couple other fun facts:
-There are almost twice as many species of Dinosaur as there are mammal alive today.
-Dinosaurs survive on more areas of a globe than any other group of animals (Reaching both poles, and occupying both the hottest, wettest, coldest, and driest habitats on our planet).
-Several lineages of Dinosaurs are among the most intelligent alive (Corvids and Parrots are scary smart).
