Hey all,
So there are rumours that the chaos God Slaanesh has been killed off in WFB... What does this mean for 40K?

Probably nothing since gw likes to say they are separate.

Nah there's a prophecy and lore the Eldar have found a way to kill him/her/it. I got a feeling it won't be long now until they implement this and scrub Slaanesh out of 40k. Oh they'll let people use the units as part of chaos ect ect. but the followers will desperately search for him and they won't make any more stuff. Then slowly but surely phase support out completely as the years pass by.

 Gamgee wrote:
Nah there's a prophecy and lore the Eldar have found a way to kill him/her/it. I got a feeling it won't be long now until they implement this and scrub Slaanesh out of 40k. Oh they'll let people use the units as part of chaos ect ect. but the followers will desperately search for him and they won't make any more stuff. Then slowly but surely phase support out completely as the years pass by.

Its great because I took a two year break from the hobby, and recently came back to play Chaos...
And in the two year absence, GW are still ruining everything :/

 Gamgee wrote:
Nah there's a prophecy and lore the Eldar have found a way to kill him/her/it. I got a feeling it won't be long now until they implement this and scrub Slaanesh out of 40k. Oh they'll let people use the units as part of chaos ect ect. but the followers will desperately search for him and they won't make any more stuff. Then slowly but surely phase support out completely as the years pass by.

So basically the same thing as what happened in AoS? Lord Tyrion is the one who is responsible for AoS Slaanesh being gone. I suppose his 40K counterpart (Yriel?) could do the same thing.

...if the timeline ever advanced.

Who would take Slaanesh's place among the Chaos gods, though? There is no Great Horned Rat in 40k.

Slaanesh is getting replaced by the Emperor, who performs a face-heel turn.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Who would take Slaanesh's place among the Chaos gods, though? There is no Great Horned Rat in 40k.

MalalMalice?

Since Slaanesh is quite NSFW, and must sell quite badly in the USA, it's something I expected to have happened long ago.

But, IF it happened in 40k, that would make the Eldar soulstones worthless, and the spirits could be freed. Harlequins would have little reason to exist, and DE wouldn't have to fear getting eaten upon death. (Lots of this may be wrong, but you get the idea).
It'd be a bid event, fluff-wise, and would invalidate a lot of armies.

I will point out that Slaanesh in AoS is not dead, just missing (possibly captured by Tyrion) and his followers are still around. And I seriously doubt they'll do something so drastic to 40K unless sales plummet and they feel they decide to reboot it. They have good (or at least much better) thing going on with 40K.

 Skinnereal wrote:
Since Slaanesh is quite NSFW, and must sell quite badly in the USA, it's something I expected to have happened long ago.

But, IF it happened in 40k, that would make the Eldar soulstones worthless, and the spirits could be freed. Harlequins would have little reason to exist, and DE wouldn't have to fear getting eaten upon death. (Lots of this may be wrong, but you get the idea).
It'd be a bid event, fluff-wise, and would invalidate a lot of armies.

Conceivably, DE could be fluffed as being too stuck in their ways/too far gone/etc to change their ways even if Slaanesh goes. Perhaps Slaanesh gets sucked into a further alternate dimension, leaving a black-hole type effect in the warp which still manages to drain the Eldar race due to Slaanesh being such an integral part of their psyche.


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nudibranch wrote:
I will point out that Slaanesh in AoS is not dead, just missing (possibly captured by Tyrion) and his followers are still around. And I seriously doubt they'll do something so drastic to 40K unless sales plummet and they feel they decide to reboot it. They have good (or at least much better) thing going on with 40K.

He's probably on a booty call.

There are rumors and prophecies that the Harlequins are planning to destroy Slannesh, as well as Ynnead arising to defeat Slannesh and save the Eldar race.

Thing is, both of those would require most of the Eldar to be dead/in their Infinity Circuits as part of their version of Ragnarok. The other thing is that GW will not advance the plot past the 13th Black Crusade, so these conditions will not be met.

Slaanesh is not dead, he/she/it ate too much souls and was so bloated he/she/it could not do a thing when someone came and captured he/she/it.

lustigjh wrote:

 Skinnereal wrote:
Since Slaanesh is quite NSFW, and must sell quite badly in the USA, it's something I expected to have happened long ago.

But, IF it happened in 40k, that would make the Eldar soulstones worthless, and the spirits could be freed. Harlequins would have little reason to exist, and DE wouldn't have to fear getting eaten upon death. (Lots of this may be wrong, but you get the idea).
It'd be a bid event, fluff-wise, and would invalidate a lot of armies.

Conceivably, DE could be fluffed as being too stuck in their ways/too far gone/etc to change their ways even if Slaanesh goes. Perhaps Slaanesh gets sucked into a further alternate dimension, leaving a black-hole type effect in the warp which still manages to drain the Eldar race due to Slaanesh being such an integral part of their psyche.

That wouldn't even need any fluff changes, the Dark Eldar are Dark Eldar because they didn't give up their hedonistic torture porn ways.

DaPino wrote:
Slaanesh is not dead, he/she/it ate too much souls and was so bloated he/she/it could not do a thing when someone came and captured he/she/it.

Its stuck in the door way..

I have a feeling if ANYTHING Slannesh will get replaced by some other eldar thing which is equally dangerous so they dont have to write out soul stones and DE and Quins.

Just with less tits and more TM ability

In the Harlequins Codex they are planning a final dance where they are plotting in kill Slaanesh.

The mysterious eldar God Cegorach is somehow involved as well as some of the craft worlds and possibly the DE.

Basically a lot of people want Slaanesh dead and a ton of killer clowns and space elves are coming for him soon.

Be scared Chaos... Very scared. But only Slaneesh since Eldar don't really seem to care about the other three gods.

DorianGray wrote:
In the Harlequins Codex they are planning a final dance where they are plotting in kill Slaanesh.

The mysterious eldar God Cegorach is somehow involved as well as some of the craft worlds and possibly the DE.

Basically a lot of people want Slaanesh dead and a ton of killer clowns and space elves are coming for him soon.

Be scared Chaos... Very scared. But only Slaneesh since Eldar don't really seem to care about the other three gods.

The Eldar are very concerned about Chaos as a whole, not just Slaanesh, because the whole "abolish reality and merge realspace with the warp" would directly affect them.

Also, keep in mind that the Eldar have been doomed to Slaanesh for 10,000 years. Every Eldar soul, barring Harlequins, goes straight to Slaanesh upon death if they don't have a soulstone. Slaanesh is also just as powerful as any other Chaos god; no mortal can defeat Chaos, only gods can.

 TheNewBlood wrote:

DorianGray wrote:
In the Harlequins Codex they are planning a final dance where they are plotting in kill Slaanesh.

The mysterious eldar God Cegorach is somehow involved as well as some of the craft worlds and possibly the DE.

Basically a lot of people want Slaanesh dead and a ton of killer clowns and space elves are coming for him soon.

Be scared Chaos... Very scared. But only Slaneesh since Eldar don't really seem to care about the other three gods.

The Eldar are very concerned about Chaos as a whole, not just Slaanesh, because the whole "abolish reality and merge realspace with the warp" would directly affect them.

Also, keep in mind that the Eldar have been doomed to Slaanesh for 10,000 years. Every Eldar soul, barring Harlequins, goes straight to Slaanesh upon death if they don't have a soulstone. Slaanesh is also just as powerful as any other Chaos god; no mortal can defeat Chaos, only gods can.

The craftworld Eldar are building their own god in the infinity circuit and the Harlequins have Cegorach that was never consumed by Slaanesh.

And in the old fluff, Slaanesh was explicitley stated to be the youngest and least powerful of the chaos gods.

If mortals can create a god (admittedly through an incredibly vast effort), I can see them destroying it.

 Skinnereal wrote:
Since Slaanesh is quite NSFW, and must sell quite badly in the USA, it's something I expected to have happened long ago.

Lolwut?

This is 'Murca, son. We likes our boobs here, and things with boobs. In 'Murca, putting boobs on something makes it 10 times betterer.

Six boobs makes it sixty times betterer!

This is the country that gave us the joke about why a woman's waist is called a waste.

DorianGray wrote:

The craftworld Eldar are building their own god in the infinity circuit and the Harlequins have Cegorach that was never consumed by Slaanesh.

Polonius wrote:And in the old fluff, Slaanesh was explicitley stated to be the youngest and least powerful of the chaos gods.

If mortals can create a god (admittedly through an incredibly vast effort), I can see them destroying it.

In the latest editions of the lore, all four Chaos gods are equally powerful, and are constantly fighting each other to become the most powerful/keep one god from coming before all others. If anything, Slaanesh was so powerful at birth that it took the three other Chaos gods to bring back an equal playing field.

Cegorach hid behind Khaine to avoid being consumed. He might have strengthened since then due to the Harlequins, but I would not call him Slaanesh's equal. Ynnead has yet to be born from the Rhana Dandra, so no one knows what kind of power he might have. Either way, Slaanesh will not be defeated by one god alone.

To kill a god, you would need the perfect plan/weapon/being, and we all know down what road perfection lies...

Im 42, not 12. I like a little more mature aspects in my leisure time.

Its becoming more and more clear that GW and I have different views of the direction we want our game to go.

 Psienesis wrote:

 Skinnereal wrote:
Since Slaanesh is quite NSFW, and must sell quite badly in the USA, it's something I expected to have happened long ago.

Lolwut?

This is 'Murca, son. We likes our boobs here, and things with boobs. In 'Murca, putting boobs on something makes it 10 times betterer.

Remember, these are children's toys.

We like our boobs, but if there's ANY chance of a child under 21 seeing a nipple it is NOT okay.

Especially when it's as ugly as the current Slaanesh models that GW makes. Nobody, no matter what age you are, should have to see those models.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Gamgee wrote:
Nah there's a prophecy and lore the Eldar have found a way to kill him/her/it. I got a feeling it won't be long now until they implement this and scrub Slaanesh out of 40k. Oh they'll let people use the units as part of chaos ect ect. but the followers will desperately search for him and they won't make any more stuff. Then slowly but surely phase support out completely as the years pass by.

So basically the same thing as what happened in AoS? Lord Tyrion is the one who is responsible for AoS Slaanesh being gone. I suppose his 40K counterpart (Yriel?) could do the same thing.

...if the timeline ever advanced.

Who would take Slaanesh's place among the Chaos gods, though? There is no Great Horned Rat in 40k.

The Eldar way requires all the Eldar to have died for Ynead to become strong enough to fight Slaanesh.

 morganfreeman wrote:

 Psienesis wrote:

 Skinnereal wrote:
Since Slaanesh is quite NSFW, and must sell quite badly in the USA, it's something I expected to have happened long ago.

Lolwut?

This is 'Murca, son. We likes our boobs here, and things with boobs. In 'Murca, putting boobs on something makes it 10 times betterer.

Remember, these are children's toys.

We like our boobs, but if there's ANY chance of a child under 21 seeing a nipple it is NOT okay.

Young adult, rather than children - no matter how childish they make the models and the fluff, sharp knives and under-twelves don't mix.

I simply refuse to call anyone over the age of twelve a 'child'. Childish, maybe, but even if saying you're a child until 21 makes me feel young (six years an adult instead of eleven...), it's frankly silly.

 Furyou Miko wrote:

 morganfreeman wrote:

 Psienesis wrote:

 Skinnereal wrote:
Since Slaanesh is quite NSFW, and must sell quite badly in the USA, it's something I expected to have happened long ago.

Lolwut?

This is 'Murca, son. We likes our boobs here, and things with boobs. In 'Murca, putting boobs on something makes it 10 times betterer.

Remember, these are children's toys.

We like our boobs, but if there's ANY chance of a child under 21 seeing a nipple it is NOT okay.

Young adult, rather than children - no matter how childish they make the models and the fluff, sharp knives and under-twelves don't mix.

I simply refuse to call anyone over the age of twelve a 'child'. Childish, maybe, but even if saying you're a child until 21 makes me feel young (six years an adult instead of eleven...), it's frankly silly.

Biologically it's correct. Even an eighteen year-old is by no means an adult. Sure there may be the occasional sane/semi responsible youth, but the brain has not finished growing.

Also in regards to 40K, nothing would please me more than GW telling the children to sod off and plunging full into grimdark slaughter will all brakes removed. Let's have some REAL horror in 40K.

Furyou Miko wrote:

I simply refuse to call anyone over the age of twelve a 'child'. Childish, maybe, but even if saying you're a child until 21 makes me feel young (six years an adult instead of eleven...), it's frankly silly.

No is isn't. Teenagers, though they like to think of themselves as "not children", are nowhere near emotionally mature.

Wyzilla wrote:
Also in regards to 40K, nothing would please me more than GW telling the children to sod off and plunging full into grimdark slaughter will all brakes removed. Let's have some REAL horror in 40K.

Impossible, because that's an oxymoron.

If you asked your archetypical fourteen-year-old, someone incapable of understanding, much less writing, a mature, serious story, you'd most likely get:

- Violence with little point
- Pointless swearing
- Pointless nudty or other sexual content
- "Religious" imagery with no relation to actual relation
- Allegedly shocking character deaths
- Some poor attempt at suggesting humanity is bad
- Ridiculous emphasis on how the heroes either smoke, drink and/or do drugs.

Perhaps the most mature element of 4oK writing is giving villains actual personnalities, rather than just "kills his/her minions for failure, and is probably a rapist".

Anything "grimdark" is thus inherantly childish - it might be entirely childish,but many of the elements are what interests people who aren't mature, but want people to think they are.

 Gamgee wrote:
Nah there's a prophecy and lore the Eldar have found a way to kill him/her/it. I got a feeling it won't be long now until they implement this and scrub Slaanesh out of 40k. Oh they'll let people use the units as part of chaos ect ect. but the followers will desperately search for him and they won't make any more stuff. Then slowly but surely phase support out completely as the years pass by.

why do gw want to ruin WARHAMMER first aos now people are saying bye bye slaanesh why why gw

Son, you can kill people all you want, spread disease as you please, and even think just a little bit, but god forbid if a nipple appears anywhere. Can't be having that!

The rumours of Slaanesh's demise have been greatly exaggerated. The Age of Sigmar book (as in the actual hardcover fluff/rule book that's separate from starter set) includes Slaanesh as normal in the feature on the Chaos Gods, complete with the proper symbol and everything. And there is plenty of artwork/photos of Slaanesh Demons all through the book.

Slaanesh isn't going anywhere. In all likelyhood, they are gearing up for a Age of Sigmar campaign focusing on Slaanesh and the mystery surrounding his/her disappearance.

Lol Again with this nonsense?

Why would Slaanesh disappear? There is no justifiable reason for that to happen in GWs eyes when things like Daemon Princes and CSM units can be bought and mono painted Slaaneshi.

I myself have 2 Sets of each. 2 Plague Marines Squads, Berzerker, Thousand Sons, Noise Marines. There is no way you could ever spin it to believe that GW would take a whole 1/4 of their Chaos Sales and possibly upgrade bits and just throw that profit out the window.

Lore wise I doubt Slaanesh will or could ever be captured, imprisoned or what have you. It would screw with the Lore of Dark Eldar, Eldar, most of the imperium, other Chaos Gods and would have people wondering about Malaal again.

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Six boobs makes it sixty times betterer!

This is the country that gave us the joke about why a woman's waist is called a waste.

I don't know this joke. Enlighten me, pls

 GoliothOnline wrote:
Lol Again with this nonsense?

Why would Slaanesh disappear? There is no justifiable reason for that to happen in GWs eyes when things like Daemon Princes and CSM units can be bought and mono painted Slaaneshi.

I myself have 2 Sets of each. 2 Plague Marines Squads, Berzerker, Thousand Sons, Noise Marines. There is no way you could ever spin it to believe that GW would take a whole 1/4 of their Chaos Sales and possibly upgrade bits and just throw that profit out the window.

Lore wise I doubt Slaanesh will or could ever be captured, imprisoned or what have you. It would screw with the Lore of Dark Eldar, Eldar, most of the imperium, other Chaos Gods and would have people wondering about Malaal again.

A HUGE PART of the lore of the Eldar is about killing Slaanesh once and for all and free Eldar souls forever. It can finally happen and tons of people everywhere will be happy.

Maybe not Slaanesh worshipping degenerate filth like you but you knew we were coming for you.

Slaanesh is the weakest god and probably the least popular - Also Thousand Sons are Tzeetch dude.

I hope Slaanesh will be replaced by Ynead or Cegorach (Eldar gods) and restore Eldar back to being a major force in the galaxy once again.

What is this Xeno heresy I hear? Only mankind can be great, not the unnatural Eldar.

I have no idea where the guy at my FLGS heard but he's been saying that he heard Slaanesh is simply being taken over by FW.

Lol. Eldar killing the Princling. Slaanesh put the entire Eldar race on the endangered species list and THERE going to kill the Lord of Desire? I guess it took one hundred and one thousand years to kill Slaanesh. They've been waiting all this time just to make it seem impressive.

P.S. If anyones taking out a god of the warp its the Grey Knights. Ave Imperator!

 urbanknight4 wrote:

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Six boobs makes it sixty times betterer!

This is the country that gave us the joke about why a woman's waist is called a waste.

I don't know this joke. Enlighten me, pls

"Why is a woman's waist called a waist?"
"I don't know, why is a woman's waist called a waist?"
"Because it is a waste: you could fit another pair of boobs there."

 Furyou Miko wrote:

 urbanknight4 wrote:

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Six boobs makes it sixty times betterer!

This is the country that gave us the joke about why a woman's waist is called a waste.

I don't know this joke. Enlighten me, pls

"Why is a woman's waist called a waist?"
"I don't know, why is a woman's waist called a waist?"
"Because it is a waste: you could fit another pair of boobs there."

Sometimes I'm glad I don't come up with these kinds of things lol

http://z13.invisionfree.com/The_First_Expedition/index.php?showtopic=23&st=1770

Yall can calm down about Slaanesh being wiped out.

For those of us not interested in scanning through sigmarines what does the link say about Slaanesh?

 darkcloak wrote:
For those of us not interested in scanning through sigmarines what does the link say about Slaanesh?

I think you speak for all if us. I have no idea what I'm looking at, they're talking about women Space Marines or something.

Ugg...I got a pile of Daemonettes and Seekers I hope to trade one day...I wonder what dropping Slaneesh (assuming it were to come true) would do to their trade value.

 darkcloak wrote:
For those of us not interested in scanning through sigmarines what does the link say about Slaanesh?

Dude it's just five posts down. Stop being lazy. Laurie is a major Black Library editor, Slaanesh is fine and AOS just has a plot unlike 40k.

 Furyou Miko wrote:

Young adult, rather than children - no matter how childish they make the models and the fluff, sharp knives and under-twelves don't mix.

I simply refuse to call anyone over the age of twelve a 'child'. Childish, maybe, but even if saying you're a child until 21 makes me feel young (six years an adult instead of eleven...), it's frankly silly.

I was making a joke 'bout Murika and how terrified it is of letting children see breasts / know that sex exists, because boobies are evil.

On a serious note, the guy who quoted you is right. The brain doesn't actually stop maturing until about 25 - so you're still very much a child in your teens.

Who cares , Slaneesh Deserves to die . Maybe the eldar and Iom tag team.


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I kinda feel like folk focus on one aspect of Slaanesh and forget about the excess, perfection and sensory areas. I think there's a lot to be explored and expanded upon in areas of artists, obsessions and non sexy shenanigans... It'd be nice if the AoS future included a bit more of that.

No? I'll get my coat...

 Buttery Commissar wrote:
I kinda feel like folk focus on one aspect of Slaanesh and forget about the excess, perfection and sensory areas. I think there's a lot to be explored and expanded upon in areas of artists, obsessions and non sexy shenanigans... It'd be nice if the AoS future included a bit more of that.

No? I'll get my coat...

I know. It's like that's all they know about Slaanesh. And I play Tau.

I was honestly surprised when I read that a Primarch turned tail and sided with Slaanesh. You know, because Space Marines are supposed to be monastic and celibate and such (do Astartes have sex?) so the Prince of Sexy Time wasn't really a big corruption agent in my book. That is, until I learned about Fulgrim's obsession with perfection. He doesn't care about depravity. I presume the debauchery stems from Slaanesh's influence, which stems from the need to be beautiful and perfect. It doesn't matter what you go to Slaanesh for, though. Eventually you'll end up shooting up hard drugs, having incredibly kinky sex, and wearing outrageous fashion.

Yes, Fulgrim was a sculptor, and a pretty harsh art critic.

Personally I'd love to see that sort of thing come back to the foreground. There's got to be a way, and I don't mean "pretty marines".

Nah, Slaanesh should remain in 40k. Probably removed from AoS since GW are aiming that at younger gamers and I guess titties, whips and bondage might not be appropriate for that audience.

 Wyzilla wrote:

 darkcloak wrote:
For those of us not interested in scanning through sigmarines what does the link say about Slaanesh?

Dude it's just five posts down. Stop being lazy. Laurie is a major Black Library editor, Slaanesh is fine and AOS just has a plot unlike 40k.

There's nothing on that entire page confirming or denying the removal of Slaanesh. It's just a bunch of nerd banter.

It's interesting to me that so many people complain about Slaanesh' sex appeal gimmick, because frankly I wouldn't be surprised if any disinterest there is in Slaanesh is due specifically due to the lack of sex aesthetic in the Slaanesh model line.

There was a time when Slaanesh models were NSFW in their designs, whereas now they've been toned down significantly to be more "family friendly".

Pseudo-mature fellows dislike the sex drugs and rock and roll aesthetic, but at least that was an aesthetic. There is no way to tell at a glance what Slaanesh is about when looking at the models now. They don't evoke anything specific.

Tzeentch models have a similar problem.

 j31c3n wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:

 darkcloak wrote:
For those of us not interested in scanning through sigmarines what does the link say about Slaanesh?

Dude it's just five posts down. Stop being lazy. Laurie is a major Black Library editor, Slaanesh is fine and AOS just has a plot unlike 40k.

There's nothing on that entire page confirming or denying the removal of Slaanesh. It's just a bunch of nerd banter.

SETTLE DOWN. Slaanesh is still around... just, no one knows where...

It's almost like... like... a STORYLINE!!? laugh.gif

Next person to claim that the sky is falling gets their favourite HH character killed. I'm super serious. Even Horus.

 BlaxicanX wrote:
It's interesting to me that so many people complain about Slaanesh' sex appeal gimmick, because frankly I wouldn't be surprised if any disinterest there is in Slaanesh is due specifically due to the lack of sex aesthetic in the Slaanesh model line.

There was a time when Slaanesh models were NSFW in their designs, whereas now they've been toned down significantly to be more "family friendly".

Pseudo-mature fellows dislike the sex drugs and rock and roll aesthetic, but at least that was an aesthetic. There is no way to tell at a glance what Slaanesh is about when looking at the models now. They don't evoke anything specific.

This is 40k! We play games with nuclear weapons, chemical warfare, terrorism, slavery, dictatorship, cruelty...whatever, just NO SEX, cuz they gotta keep it family-friendly.

 Buttery Commissar wrote:
I kinda feel like folk focus on one aspect of Slaanesh and forget about the excess, perfection and sensory areas. I think there's a lot to be explored and expanded upon in areas of artists, obsessions and non sexy shenanigans... It'd be nice if the AoS future included a bit more of that.

No? I'll get my coat...

I think the main reason sex is what's focused on is.. it's the only real aesthetic Slaanesh has ever had.

I mean, how exactly do you model obsession? Perfection? Pride? Excess?

I donno about you, but the only one of those which really looks like something that can be effectively modelled would be the self indulgence thing, and that would probably be with obesity. Which starts to encroach on Nurgle's territory. I suppose that you could try to cast a "martial perfection / pride" vibe with a model's pose or gear, but that steps on Khorne's toes.

All Slaanesh really has that can be conveyed through visuals is sex and obsession with pain. At least when you get right down to the bare bones of it, imo.

 morganfreeman wrote:


I think the main reason sex is what's focused on is.. it's the only real aesthetic Slaanesh has ever had.

I mean, how exactly do you model obsession? Perfection? Pride? Excess?

I donno about you, but the only one of those which really looks like something that can be effectively modelled would be the self indulgence thing, and that would probably be with obesity. Which starts to encroach on Nurgle's territory. I suppose that you could try to cast a "martial perfection / pride" vibe with a model's pose or gear, but that steps on Khorne's toes.

All Slaanesh really has that can be conveyed through visuals is sex and obsession with pain. At least when you get right down to the bare bones of it, imo.

Couldn't Slaanesh's values be portrayed through things like gold and gems as excess of wealth and beauty (all the shinny things) as well as fancy weapons and excessive trophies. Might not stand out like a pair of bare breasts but its seems like a possible area to explore.

 morganfreeman wrote:

 Buttery Commissar wrote:
I kinda feel like folk focus on one aspect of Slaanesh and forget about the excess, perfection and sensory areas. I think there's a lot to be explored and expanded upon in areas of artists, obsessions and non sexy shenanigans... It'd be nice if the AoS future included a bit more of that.

No? I'll get my coat...

I think the main reason sex is what's focused on is.. it's the only real aesthetic Slaanesh has ever had.

I mean, how exactly do you model obsession? Perfection? Pride? Excess?

I donno about you, but the only one of those which really looks like something that can be effectively modelled would be the self indulgence thing, and that would probably be with obesity. Which starts to encroach on Nurgle's territory. I suppose that you could try to cast a "martial perfection / pride" vibe with a model's pose or gear, but that steps on Khorne's toes.

All Slaanesh really has that can be conveyed through visuals is sex and obsession with pain. At least when you get right down to the bare bones of it, imo.

They could probably make models that look like tweakers. On top of the face, they could model powerpacks with all kinds of cannisters and tanks and tubes to look like a complicated drug delivery system (like their HQ, whatever he's called, and Apothecaries).

GW made a big mistake giving FNP to Deathguard...that rule was built to make playing Slaneesh cool and fluffy.

 morganfreeman wrote:

 Buttery Commissar wrote:
I kinda feel like folk focus on one aspect of Slaanesh and forget about the excess, perfection and sensory areas. I think there's a lot to be explored and expanded upon in areas of artists, obsessions and non sexy shenanigans... It'd be nice if the AoS future included a bit more of that.

No? I'll get my coat...

I think the main reason sex is what's focused on is.. it's the only real aesthetic Slaanesh has ever had.

I mean, how exactly do you model obsession? Perfection? Pride? Excess?

I donno about you, but the only one of those which really looks like something that can be effectively modelled would be the self indulgence thing, and that would probably be with obesity. Which starts to encroach on Nurgle's territory. I suppose that you could try to cast a "martial perfection / pride" vibe with a model's pose or gear, but that steps on Khorne's toes.

All Slaanesh really has that can be conveyed through visuals is sex and obsession with pain. At least when you get right down to the bare bones of it, imo.

Or you could make them look like color blind crack fiends. Like, seriously. Didn't the Laer strive for perfection, breeding citizens with different characteristics to suit their place in society, a la Brave New World? And they certainly wore garish clothes. There was sensory overload, a disgusting fashion sense, and of course, sexy time.

 urbanknight4 wrote:

Or you could make them look like color blind crack fiends. Like, seriously.

I was flipping through an old 2nd Edition book, and they had wargear listings like hallucinogen bombs. Hmmmm? Sonic weapons, or weapons that make the enemy trip balls to pants pissing in the middle of a pitched battle? I know which one I think would be cooler for a Slaneesh army!

 morganfreeman wrote:

 Buttery Commissar wrote:
I kinda feel like folk focus on one aspect of Slaanesh and forget about the excess, perfection and sensory areas. I think there's a lot to be explored and expanded upon in areas of artists, obsessions and non sexy shenanigans... It'd be nice if the AoS future included a bit more of that.

No? I'll get my coat...

I think the main reason sex is what's focused on is.. it's the only real aesthetic Slaanesh has ever had.

I mean, how exactly do you model obsession? Perfection? Pride? Excess?

I donno about you, but the only one of those which really looks like something that can be effectively modelled would be the self indulgence thing, and that would probably be with obesity. Which starts to encroach on Nurgle's territory. I suppose that you could try to cast a "martial perfection / pride" vibe with a model's pose or gear, but that steps on Khorne's toes.

All Slaanesh really has that can be conveyed through visuals is sex and obsession with pain. At least when you get right down to the bare bones of it, imo.

Hang on... There are plenty of ways to show that someone is in some way unusual without them being naked or dressed as a gimp.

Poise, clothing, weapons, props - basing, now that even the single pose plastic kits have a little of that.

Obsession? The same way that Space marines ritualistically clean and maintain their armour - give them something they are clearly proud of.
They could be carrying strange trophies; jewels, clothing, pieces of enemies they thought were more beautiful than they were.
They could have armour decorated with baroque or beautiful visuals. Not just skulls skulls skulls, needles and screaming faces.

Perfection? Pride?
They could simply be moving in an elegant way - look at Sigvald from WHFB, apart from the fact his ass is on view, that figure has a dman impressive set of armor and way of holding himself.
There's a whole daemonette backstory devoted to dance. That could be touched on.
Sculptors I mentioned before - they don't have to be sculpting with marble. They could scrimshaw, use pieces of folk they defeated, create from death.

Excess?
They could be indulging a physical aspect other than sexuality - food, a drug pump, blindfolds or ear protection so that their other senses reap the benefit.
What's weird about consuming - maybe they're drinking from something ornate whilst fighting, or their weapon siphons blood, or maybe they're just plain cannibalistic.

I'm stopping here because it's starting to get a little bit darker than I'd intended, but what I'm essentially saying, is that there are so many areas to explore other than butts.

It is predictable, lazy and base to just focus on that, and I feel like GW almost plays into the expectation that the fans have now built up. We know that they're capable of more. I'd just like to see that.

(In case this came off as cranky, I just like thinking about visuals, I'm not actually cross at anything)

 Wyzilla wrote:

 j31c3n wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:

 darkcloak wrote:
For those of us not interested in scanning through sigmarines what does the link say about Slaanesh?

Dude it's just five posts down. Stop being lazy. Laurie is a major Black Library editor, Slaanesh is fine and AOS just has a plot unlike 40k.

There's nothing on that entire page confirming or denying the removal of Slaanesh. It's just a bunch of nerd banter.

SETTLE DOWN. Slaanesh is still around... just, no one knows where...

It's almost like... like... a STORYLINE!!? laugh.gif

Next person to claim that the sky is falling gets their favourite HH character killed. I'm super serious. Even Horus.

That's just some guy saying something completely unsourced.

Alot of good ideas in Butterfly Commisar's post IMO.

I think Forgeworld did a pretty good job both rules-wise and model-wise capturing the "Martial Perfection" angle with Emperor's Children...their "Legion Tactics" leave a bit to be desired, but one thing I like is they honed in on rules and wargear to the advantage of blades and spears, over stuff like Power Fists and Thunderhammers.

 Vankraken wrote:

Couldn't Slaanesh's values be portrayed through things like gold and gems as excess of wealth and beauty (all the shinny things) as well as fancy weapons and excessive trophies. Might not stand out like a pair of bare breasts but its seems like a possible area to explore.

So.. Chaos Space Marines: Lil' Wayne edition? Tzeench (sp) would be better served with that kind of aesthetic, given he's about plots and schemes (as well as hope) to gain power. Politics and all that.. Whilst the self indulgence of Slaanesh is certainly something that would appeal to the wealthy, wealth is not his domain. The problem is conveying a character who's "beautiful" and obsessed with their own beauty, in miniature form. Simply loading Demons and CSM up with gold and gems is a terrible way to convey this.

 jasper76 wrote:

They could probably make models that look like tweakers. On top of the face, they could model powerpacks with all kinds of cannisters and tanks and tubes to look like a complicated drug delivery system (like their HQ, whatever he's called, and Apothecaries).

So turn them into Admech? We've already got shrivelled bodies covered with power backs, tubes, ribbing, and all that jazz. All you're talking about is painting the batteries in a way that they'd resemble vials of drugs.

You could do something like the Haemies from Dark Eldar.. But not only has that already been done, but it ties into what I said. "Obsession with pain". Whilst a Haemy model does a great job of convey a sadistic monster who rejoices in hitherto unknown depths of depravity, they also summon that whole pain thing to mind I mentioned.

 urbanknight4 wrote:


Or you could make them look like color blind crack fiends. Like, seriously. Didn't the Laer strive for perfection, breeding citizens with different characteristics to suit their place in society, a la Brave New World? And they certainly wore garish clothes. There was sensory overload, a disgusting fashion sense, and of course, sexy time.

How exactly do you model a color blind crack fiend marine? Scatter used and bent needles on the base?

I don't really disagree with any of you. These are all things that Slaanesh governs over. The point I'm trying to make by shooting these ideas down is pointing down how flipping difficult it is to make a model which conveys these things to someone who's got no idea what they're looking at.

@morgan freeman: I think you got your quotes mixed up there.

But I think Lucius the Eternal is a pretty cool crack fiend model. Not sure about the color-blind part.

And maybe you're right...maybe all that it takes to make a Skitarii, Admech, or whatever look like a tweeker is a different paint job. I think a tweaked out looking face would help, though. And there are plenty of them in the various Space Marine kits to begin with, conversion-wise.

 jasper76 wrote:
@morgan freeman: I think you got your quotes mixed up there.

But I think Lucius the Eternal is a pretty cool crack fiend model. Not sure about the color-blind part.

And maybe you're right...maybe all that it takes to make a Skitarii, Admech, or whatever look like a tweeker is a different paint job. I think a tweaked out looking face would help, though. And there are plenty of them in the various Space Marine kits to begin with, conversion-wise.

I really like Lucius' model, I'm a huge fan. But it doesn't really ring.. Slaanesh, very much? Just about the only thing which seems to suggest it to me is the way his mouth and tongue are mutated, though even then because it just seems kind of.. Sexually repulsive. If you painted him up in Khornate colors he'd sit just fine as a World Eater's champion. He could also fit in amongst the Undivided crowd if painted that way.

He kind of highlights the problem I'm trying to explain. That GW themselves haven't really captured a slaanesh aesthetic outside of sex and bondage gear. I'd say that Slaanesh is the scariest god by a country mile, and probably the most interesting fluff wise as well. But when it comes to making miniatures which represent his followers, basically all you've got is boobs, ball gags, and whips.

 morganfreeman wrote:
I don't really disagree with any of you. These are all things that Slaanesh governs over. The point I'm trying to make by shooting these ideas down is pointing down how flipping difficult it is to make a model which conveys these things to someone who's got no idea what they're looking at.

But but... I just gave you a shopping list of visually identifiable ways to put those across. It made me feel soiled.

And really, if we're talking "No idea what we're looking at"...


This doesn't put across pleasure, sex or self indulgence. If you showed that to me cold, I'd quite likely think it was something to do with being underwater.

It has iconography (the double genders and symbols) and corruption through mutation, but it doesn't give any other real message of what Slaanesh is about.

It is hard to convey, but it's not impossible. There's a massive history of visual queues and art to tap into, especially within the 40K aesthetic.

Obsession?

Martial Perfection?

 Buttery Commissar wrote:
But but... I just gave you a shopping list of visually identifiable ways to put those across. It made me feel soiled.

And really, if we're talking "No idea what we're looking at"...

It is hard to convey, but it's not impossible. There's a massive history of visual queues and art to tap into, especially within the 40K aesthetic.

I didn't notice your post, sorry. Nothing personal.

So far as your points go, I agree. Infact Jasper's pictures on right on the money... The only problem is that those aren't really Chaos Marines, at least not visually. They're just space marines. At a glance they just look like loyalists with flare / caught in a really interesting pose.

I mean, that works. But it's.. Very subtle. If I didn't know much / anything about the heresy (but played 40k) and saw those, I'd think they were just neat looking loyalists.

 morganfreeman wrote:

So far as your points go, I agree. Infact Jasper's pictures on right on the money... The only problem is that those aren't really Chaos Marines, at least not visually. They're just space marines. At a glance they just look like loyalists with flare / caught in a really interesting pose.

I mean, that works. But it's.. Very subtle. If I didn't know much / anything about the heresy (but played 40k) and saw those, I'd think they were just neat looking loyalists.

Those are indeed loyalist, or at least "just-on-the-verge-of-going-chaos", models from FW Horus Heresy line (Emperor's Children, or "Pre-Noise Marines") and the dude is their model for Fulgrim, the Legion Primarch. You probably know all that. I do agree that they are not dramatically Chaotic in any way, but I appreciate the subtlety.

 jasper76 wrote:

 morganfreeman wrote:

So far as your points go, I agree. Infact Jasper's pictures on right on the money... The only problem is that those aren't really Chaos Marines, at least not visually. They're just space marines. At a glance they just look like loyalists with flare / caught in a really interesting pose.

I mean, that works. But it's.. Very subtle. If I didn't know much / anything about the heresy (but played 40k) and saw those, I'd think they were just neat looking loyalists.

Those are indeed loyalist, or at least "just-on-the-verge-of-going-chaos", models from FW Horus Heresy line (Emperor's Children, or "Pre-Noise Marines" and the dude is their model for Fulgrim, the Legion Primarch. You probably know all that. I do agree that they are not dramatically Chaotic in any way, but I appreciate the subtlety.

>_> Yes. I know about the Heresy, and I understand what they are. The subtlety, for them, is alright because they're "just on the verge" as you put it. They shouldn't have hundreds to thousands of years of corruption and debauchery under their belts.

The issue I was pointing out was with current Chaos marines who have been that way for a very long time.

Right, I honestly am having a bit of trouble following whether people are talking about Daemons, or Emperor's Children, or MoS Marines, or what...

It's occurred to me more than once that GW is kind of competing against itself with Dark Eldar, Slaneesh Daemons, and the Slaneesh side of CSM. If I were considering those choices, I'd bag it all and go with Emperor's Children because the paint-scheme is more to my taste...but if I was after what in my mind is the Slaneesh aesthetic, I'd be all over Dark Eldar. They have very emotive models.

 j31c3n wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:

 j31c3n wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:

 darkcloak wrote:
For those of us not interested in scanning through sigmarines what does the link say about Slaanesh?

Dude it's just five posts down. Stop being lazy. Laurie is a major Black Library editor, Slaanesh is fine and AOS just has a plot unlike 40k.

There's nothing on that entire page confirming or denying the removal of Slaanesh. It's just a bunch of nerd banter.

SETTLE DOWN. Slaanesh is still around... just, no one knows where...

It's almost like... like... a STORYLINE!!? laugh.gif

Next person to claim that the sky is falling gets their favourite HH character killed. I'm super serious. Even Horus.

That's just some guy saying something completely unsourced.

That guy is one of the major editors for the Black Library.

 jasper76 wrote:
Right, I honestly am having a bit of trouble following whether people are talking about Daemons, or Emperor's Children, or MoS Marines, or what...

It's occurred to me more than once that GW is kind of competing against itself with Dark Eldar, Slaneesh Daemons, and the Slaneesh side of CSM. If I were considering those choices, I'd bag it all and go with Emperor's Children because the paint-scheme is more to my taste...but if I was after what in my mind is the Slaneesh aesthetic, I'd be all over Dark Eldar. They have very emotive models.

This is a good point, and something I probably should have mentioned.

To me, Dark Eldar are a good way of getting across Slaanesh. Their models naturally incorporate sex, pain (self inflicted), torture, killing, ect ect. They've got a lot of the stuff showing on the models, and the fluff quickly describes the rest.

Agreed with the people here stating they are very ugly models, which is never a good thing if your company is in the business of selling models as Game Workshop loves to remind us they are.

Personally, I would be a little disappointed if they removed Slaanesh instead of looking at other possibilities, such as updating the models if the whole 'PG-13' angle is really what is driving them. While Papa Nurgle wins the 'most interesting Chaos God' award for me, the actual affection he feels for his followers is fascinating in this setting and the love interest with that one Elder goddess is almost beautiful as it is horrifying, a god that was literally born from an entire races psychic lust is also pretty damned interesting as well. When you add a 'hate-hate' relationship into the mix, literally driving the Elder to find ways to protect their very souls from being consumed by hir... that is lore being created right there.

Also, I love the idea of Tau being pulled away from 'the greater good' by a Chaos God....
Which one is best at getting sentient beings to put their own personal sensations above the well-being of others?

 morganfreeman wrote:

 jasper76 wrote:
Right, I honestly am having a bit of trouble following whether people are talking about Daemons, or Emperor's Children, or MoS Marines, or what...

It's occurred to me more than once that GW is kind of competing against itself with Dark Eldar, Slaneesh Daemons, and the Slaneesh side of CSM. If I were considering those choices, I'd bag it all and go with Emperor's Children because the paint-scheme is more to my taste...but if I was after what in my mind is the Slaneesh aesthetic, I'd be all over Dark Eldar. They have very emotive models.

This is a good point, and something I probably should have mentioned.

To me, Dark Eldar are a good way of getting across Slaanesh. Their models naturally incorporate sex, pain (self inflicted), torture, killing, ect ect. They've got a lot of the stuff showing on the models, and the fluff quickly describes the rest.

Slaanesh was born out of the excess of the Eldar so it's really that Slaanesh and its worshipped are in imitation of the Dark Eldar.

For what it's worth, GW has never known how to represent Slaanesh on the table. Once the sexy sculpts were a no go, the new ones just look like generic harpies without wings. "Beautiful, beguiling and monstrous" is hard to encapsulate if your market won't let you go Kingdom Death.

Same thing with rules, sometimes it's leadership related, sometimes it's initiative, sometimes it's control (old Lash), sometimes it's anti-psyker cacophony. They never know what to do with Slaanesh. Leadership manipulation would be most thematic, but mechanically useless on the table, so they keep making up random stuff.

They could go full-blown Hellraiser with the theme, but Dark Eldar kind of have that locked down with Haemonculi.

Tzeench has somewhat of a similar problem (how do you sculpt the incomprehensible and ever changing), but the changelings and flamers aren't bad efforts, and the rules are more straight-forward to write. That's why Tzeench gets more facetime than his deviant brother/sister.

Neither compare to Khorne or Nurgle. Nurgle especially has a very easy theme to apply with undeath/decay. Khorne should be easy too, but some of the designs have gone too far and jumped the shark.

Though not 40k, I do think that Sigvald's model (that's the Slaaneshi champion in Fantasy/AoS, right?) is a decent attempt at capturing vanity. Which is a nonsexual aspect of Slaanesh. One that with a little tweaking, the likes of such models as the Sanguinary Guard and Dante would be able to capture quite easily.

Slaanesh isn't going anywhere in 40k, IMHO.

We shall see!

I think more sex would be cool in 40k in general, but for Slaanesh I'd rather they have a mix of sex and hard drugs/trippy stuff for their soldiers. Like, turrets or something that look like the Geonosian sonic guns. Kamikaze hedonists, since for most of them death is the final pleasure. And maybe something imitating Harlequins? I dunno if that exists already, but some of the Deamonettes dance pretty well, I hear.

You could paint armies in motley to mimic Harlies and other Eldar units.

The main problem with the depiction of Slaanesh is the player-base, not the studio. There's all kinds of non-sexual Slaaneshi characters in various books, doing stuff like rendering the emotions of captured slaves into drugs and the like, attiring themselves in all kinds of flashy get-up.

 Buttery Commissar wrote:

It is predictable, lazy and base to just focus on that, and I feel like GW almost plays into the expectation that the fans have now built up. We know that they're capable of more. I'd just like to see that.

Sadly at this stage I don't really believe that they are capable anymore. The Rogue Trader books and other early elements were full of imagination and insight, twisted thought and cool concepts. These days the fluff and story is all just retreads that have been white washed. When they create new for chaos we get the Crimson Slaughter who are kind of silly in their extreme of having to slaughter everything they see to stop the voices in their heads. There is no imagination there, nothing really original or interesting even. I don't believe GW has the ability to improve chaos and take it where it really should go. The writers now just a lacking in what I think they need to do so.

Oh and thanks for your examples was planning a similar post using Sigvald as an example of partial pride and precision and then got to your post before I dropped mine in.

As an Eldar player, I'm pleased that Slaanesh is going to be removed.

 Farseer Uruvion wrote:

As an Eldar player, I'm pleased that Slaanesh is going to be removed.

So you're TFG who wants to see the armies of numerous people squatted with the hundreds of dollars they've invested in them wasted because "muh faction stronk"?

Nevermind that Slaanesh is not being fething removed people.

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Farseer Uruvion wrote:

As an Eldar player, I'm pleased that Slaanesh is going to be removed.

So you're TFG who wants to see the armies of numerous people squatted with the hundreds of dollars they've invested in them wasted because "muh faction stronk"?

Nevermind that Slaanesh is not being fething removed people.

/wooooooooosh

I agree Slaanesh shouldn't be removed, it would be a huge change for the players and overall fluff. Maybe just change his ways. Like literally everyone here has suggested, make better models for his troops. We can't gave sexy stuff anymore, so let's focus on drugs, sensory overload, and color. Maybe dancing and such. He's a very interesting god (the least interesting is Khorne. Sorry guys, but I get my daily fix of rage from Kratos) and deserves a better aesthetic. I mean, it can't be that hard to emulate the Dark Eldar. Those dudes already look like demonic junkies.

No! Slaanesh is my favorite!

I think Slaanesh could go the direction of self mutilation and body disfigurement and modification... To be clear This wouldn't be mutations but just more like self flaying, hooks and stretched flesh, the grafting on of the things that don't belong. What I mean is that it doesn't have to do explicitly be a gratification thing. Excess without explicit sexual connotations.

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Farseer Uruvion wrote:

As an Eldar player, I'm pleased that Slaanesh is going to be removed.

So you're TFG who wants to see the armies of numerous people squatted with the hundreds of dollars they've invested in them wasted because "muh faction stronk"?

Nevermind that Slaanesh is not being fething removed people.

Calm down. No need to get so agaitated. All I'm saying is that it if it does come to pass, it'll be beneficial to the 'lore' of my army.
GW will most likely allow Slaanesh models, but either as remnants or be used to represent this new god. I was only referring to if Slannesh itself/herself/himself gets captured/killed.

 aka_mythos wrote:
I think Slaanesh could go the direction of self mutilation and body disfigurement and modification... To be clear This wouldn't be mutations but just more like self flaying, hooks and stretched flesh, the grafting on of the things that don't belong. What I mean is that it doesn't have to do explicitly be a gratification thing. Excess without explicit sexual connotations.

Thats a good idea. Slaanesh is a kind of vague god, he is the lord of excess and pleasure, but then again, there are some things he provides that have nothing to do with pleasure. Just as people come to him for entertainment and perfection, they could come to fulfill their idea of beauty or whatever, hence the uh... unnatural modifications.

 Farseer Uruvion wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Farseer Uruvion wrote:

As an Eldar player, I'm pleased that Slaanesh is going to be removed.

So you're TFG who wants to see the armies of numerous people squatted with the hundreds of dollars they've invested in them wasted because "muh faction stronk"?

Nevermind that Slaanesh is not being fething removed people.

Calm down. No need to get so agaitated. All I'm saying is that it if it does come to pass, it'll be beneficial to the 'lore' of my army.
GW will most likely allow Slaanesh models, but either as remnants or be used to represent this new god. I was only referring to if Slannesh itself/herself/himself gets captured/killed.

The problem is that you personally put yourself into liking that "Slaanesh would be removed". Yes, you claim it's because you're an Eldar player. But you personally state that you're happy they're disappearing. Then hiding behind the "reason". I'm a fan of Slaanesh; not because of the sexual aspects, but because of the excess and martial skill. How would you feel if I said "I hope the Eldar army finally gets eaten by Slaanesh and completely wiped out. But it's okay cuz I play Slaanesh, so I can desire the loss of somebody else's hard work and army." Looks crappy, right?

 urbanknight4 wrote:

 aka_mythos wrote:
I think Slaanesh could go the direction of self mutilation and body disfigurement and modification... To be clear This wouldn't be mutations but just more like self flaying, hooks and stretched flesh, the grafting on of the things that don't belong. What I mean is that it doesn't have to do explicitly be a gratification thing. Excess without explicit sexual connotations.

Thats a good idea. Slaanesh is a kind of vague god, he is the lord of excess and pleasure, but then again, there are some things he provides that have nothing to do with pleasure. Just as people come to him for entertainment and perfection, they could come to fulfill their idea of beauty or whatever, hence the uh... unnatural modifications.

Slaanesh isn't vague, he just covers a lot of ground that doesn't always translate well into miniature wargaming rules.

Slaanesh is the god of the fun deadly signs: Pride, Lust, Greed, gluttony. Excess and decadence, stimulation and escapism. At his/her most subtle, Slaanesh is the god of questing for perfection and sensory pleasure. At his/her most base, the god of sex, drugs, and rock n roll. At the worst, Slaanesh worship is about pleasure and delight at the expense of all else, including the lives of others.

Think of it this way: causing deaths through decay or neglect is the realm of nurgle, plotting elaborate revenge is the realm of Tzeentch, a bloody massacre is the relam of Khorne. Slaanesh's realm is that of the serial killer, that kills for pleasure.

 timetowaste85 wrote:

 Farseer Uruvion wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Farseer Uruvion wrote:

As an Eldar player, I'm pleased that Slaanesh is going to be removed.

So you're TFG who wants to see the armies of numerous people squatted with the hundreds of dollars they've invested in them wasted because "muh faction stronk"?

Nevermind that Slaanesh is not being fething removed people.

Calm down. No need to get so agaitated. All I'm saying is that it if it does come to pass, it'll be beneficial to the 'lore' of my army.
GW will most likely allow Slaanesh models, but either as remnants or be used to represent this new god. I was only referring to if Slannesh itself/herself/himself gets captured/killed.

The problem is that you personally put yourself into liking that "Slaanesh would be removed". Yes, you claim it's because you're an Eldar player. But you personally state that you're happy they're disappearing. Then hiding behind the "reason". I'm a fan of Slaanesh; not because of the sexual aspects, but because of the excess and martial skill. How would you feel if I said "I hope the Eldar army finally gets eaten by Slaanesh and completely wiped out. But it's okay cuz I play Slaanesh, so I can desire the loss of somebody else's hard work and army." Looks crappy, right?

You need to calm down and slow your roll. Just because Slaanesh is killed doesn't mean his units get the axe. He clearly stated that another God could replace him, and if anything, they could be remnants. I'd be cool with that since it's just a change in lore, not the physical change in gaming you're suggesting.

As an Eldar my people have waited for this moment for 100,001 years. The Eldar can finally be free with the death of she who thirsts.

Finally. Cegorach's revenge finally accomplished. Thank you forever.

Slaanesh players can go eat gak and die. That's for consuming trillions of Eldar and being a blight on the entire Eldar race for a hundred thousand years.

DorianGray wrote:
As an Eldar player my people have waited for this moment for 100,001 years. The Eldar can finally be free with the death of she who thirsts.

Finally. Cegorach's revenge finally accomplished. Thank you forever.

Slaanesh players can go eat gak and die. That's for consuming trillions of Eldar and being a blight on the entire Eldar race for a hundred thousand years.

Its k

In there hubris they will celebrate the eldar way and give birth to Mega Slannesh.

DorianGray wrote:
As an Eldar my people have waited for this moment for 100,001 years. The Eldar can finally be free with the death of she who thirsts.

Finally. Cegorach's revenge finally accomplished. Thank you forever.

Slaanesh players can go eat gak and die. That's for consuming trillions of Eldar and being a blight on the entire Eldar race for a hundred thousand years.

... speaking of slowing one's roll, show the Inquisition where on the servitor the players of a faction written before the game was published the Elf-players D-cannoned you...

 urbanknight4 wrote:

 timetowaste85 wrote:

 Farseer Uruvion wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Farseer Uruvion wrote:

As an Eldar player, I'm pleased that Slaanesh is going to be removed.

So you're TFG who wants to see the armies of numerous people squatted with the hundreds of dollars they've invested in them wasted because "muh faction stronk"?

Nevermind that Slaanesh is not being fething removed people.

Calm down. No need to get so agaitated. All I'm saying is that it if it does come to pass, it'll be beneficial to the 'lore' of my army.
GW will most likely allow Slaanesh models, but either as remnants or be used to represent this new god. I was only referring to if Slannesh itself/herself/himself gets captured/killed.

The problem is that you personally put yourself into liking that "Slaanesh would be removed". Yes, you claim it's because you're an Eldar player. But you personally state that you're happy they're disappearing. Then hiding behind the "reason". I'm a fan of Slaanesh; not because of the sexual aspects, but because of the excess and martial skill. How would you feel if I said "I hope the Eldar army finally gets eaten by Slaanesh and completely wiped out. But it's okay cuz I play Slaanesh, so I can desire the loss of somebody else's hard work and army." Looks crappy, right?

You need to calm down and slow your roll. Just because Slaanesh is killed doesn't mean his units get the axe. He clearly stated that another God could replace him, and if anything, they could be remnants. I'd be cool with that since it's just a change in lore, not the physical change in gaming you're suggesting.

Thank you for understanding.


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DorianGray wrote:
As an Eldar my people have waited for this moment for 100,001 years. The Eldar can finally be free with the death of she who thirsts.

Finally. Cegorach's revenge finally accomplished. Thank you forever.

Slaanesh players can go eat gak and die. That's for consuming trillions of Eldar and being a blight on the entire Eldar race for a hundred thousand years.

This is what I was going on about. Lore-wise, its great for my army.

 Polonius wrote:

 urbanknight4 wrote:

 aka_mythos wrote:
I think Slaanesh could go the direction of self mutilation and body disfigurement and modification... To be clear This wouldn't be mutations but just more like self flaying, hooks and stretched flesh, the grafting on of the things that don't belong. What I mean is that it doesn't have to do explicitly be a gratification thing. Excess without explicit sexual connotations.

Thats a good idea. Slaanesh is a kind of vague god, he is the lord of excess and pleasure, but then again, there are some things he provides that have nothing to do with pleasure. Just as people come to him for entertainment and perfection, they could come to fulfill their idea of beauty or whatever, hence the uh... unnatural modifications.

Slaanesh isn't vague, he just covers a lot of ground that doesn't always translate well into miniature wargaming rules.

Slaanesh is the god of the fun deadly signs: Pride, Lust, Greed, gluttony. Excess and decadence, stimulation and escapism. At his/her most subtle, Slaanesh is the god of questing for perfection and sensory pleasure. At his/her most base, the god of sex, drugs, and rock n roll. At the worst, Slaanesh worship is about pleasure and delight at the expense of all else...

I think when he says vague I think he means that "excess... Pleasure... Pride, Lust, Greed, and Gluttony" don't translate to the tabletop easily. To sensibly fit in, they need to be more than the '80s stereotype of "sex, drugs, and rock and roll"

This is a bit of an alternative take but still plays into the pride, quest for perfection, and excess of self mutilation to achieve that... Slaanesh is born from the Eldar emotions made manifest from their excess and empowered by the death an consumption of the Eldar gods. What if Slaanesh worshippers were reimagined as alien eating marines who are willing to graft alien organs and body parts to move beyond their capabilities and mundane senses.

Hey, I'm totally down with what this guy says ^^

Grafting Xeno parts is not only heresy, it can actually be an improvement. I mean, you could get flesh technodendrites (or whatever those are called), amplified senses, extra arms, etc.

Slaanesh is dead soon. Everyone dance now. *music plays*

boogie.

All Eldar celebrate. Orgy time. Entire craftworld PARTY.

 aka_mythos wrote:

I think when he says vague I think he means that "excess... Pleasure... Pride, Lust, Greed, and Gluttony" don't translate to the tabletop easily. To sensibly fit in, they need to be more than the '80s stereotype of "sex, drugs, and rock and roll"

This is what I was bringing up earlier. It's not difficult to convey what Slaanesh is about through a lot of mediums, but the options are really freaking limited once you choose 28mm heroic scale models (which are multi pose and multi part) as the medium.

You can get a strong vibe for nearly every faction just by looking at them, even if you know nothing about the game. Imperial guard are WW1/2 soldiers, Tau are high-tech robo-suits, Nurgle is about decay and disease, Orks are... Well, they're orcs. It's rreeaaaallllllyyy hard to nail Slaanesh down in such a manner, especially without falling into "the same old pitfalls".

DorianGray wrote:
Slaanesh is dead soon. Everyone dance now. *music plays*

boogie.

All Eldar celebrate. Orgy time. Entire craftworld PARTY.

And in comes Slaanesh 2: This time it's pleasurable.

 Selym wrote:

DorianGray wrote:
Slaanesh is dead soon. Everyone dance now. *music plays*

boogie.

All Eldar celebrate. Orgy time. Entire craftworld PARTY.

And in comes Slaanesh 2: This time it's pleasurable.

At least it'll be the best orgy ever. We have spirit stones anyway if Slannesh 2 comes.

Slaanesh is not kid friendly. Not to surprising. Remember in the USA ultra-viloence is nearly expected where a nipple slip can ruin careers and generate class action lawsuits.

This is why I loved reading Dorian Grey when I was little

 SickSix wrote:
Slaanesh is not kid friendly. Not to surprising. Remember in the USA ultra-viloence is nearly expected where a nipple slip can ruin careers and generate class action lawsuits.

And here in the EU, both are acceptable, as long as you slap an age rating on it.

 Selym wrote:

 SickSix wrote:
Slaanesh is not kid friendly. Not to surprising. Remember in the USA ultra-viloence is nearly expected where a nipple slip can ruin careers and generate class action lawsuits.

And here in the EU, both are acceptable, as long as you slap an age rating on it.

Time to move to France/England, I say.

 urbanknight4 wrote:

 Selym wrote:

 SickSix wrote:
Slaanesh is not kid friendly. Not to surprising. Remember in the USA ultra-viloence is nearly expected where a nipple slip can ruin careers and generate class action lawsuits.

And here in the EU, both are acceptable, as long as you slap an age rating on it.

Time to move to France/England, I say.

England is more like the US in this regard I think, of those two if you want sexual liberty it sounds like you should pick France. They make children's cartoons full of fetishes and rated Fifty Shades of Grey suitable for 12 and up (If I'm not mistaken, only heard about it on John Oliver).
You know, saying that out loud has makes it sound like... Slaanesh isn't dead, he/she/they/it is ruling France!

 CrashGordon94 wrote:

 urbanknight4 wrote:

 Selym wrote:

 SickSix wrote:
Slaanesh is not kid friendly. Not to surprising. Remember in the USA ultra-viloence is nearly expected where a nipple slip can ruin careers and generate class action lawsuits.

And here in the EU, both are acceptable, as long as you slap an age rating on it.

Time to move to France/England, I say.

England is more like the US in this regard I think, of those two if you want sexual liberty it sounds like you should pick France. They make children's cartoons full of fetishes and rated Fifty Shades of Grey suitable for 12 and up (If I'm not mistaken, only heard about it on John Oliver).
You know, saying that out loud has makes it sound like... Slaanesh isn't dead, he/she/they/it is ruling France!

They WHAT.

THEY WHAT.

I need some evidence of this heresy. For science.

Pretty sure Slaanesh rules Brazil with vacation homes in Thailand and Japan...

 urbanknight4 wrote:

 CrashGordon94 wrote:

 urbanknight4 wrote:

 Selym wrote:

 SickSix wrote:
Slaanesh is not kid friendly. Not to surprising. Remember in the USA ultra-viloence is nearly expected where a nipple slip can ruin careers and generate class action lawsuits.

And here in the EU, both are acceptable, as long as you slap an age rating on it.

Time to move to France/England, I say.

England is more like the US in this regard I think, of those two if you want sexual liberty it sounds like you should pick France. They make children's cartoons full of fetishes and rated Fifty Shades of Grey suitable for 12 and up (If I'm not mistaken, only heard about it on John Oliver).
You know, saying that out loud has makes it sound like... Slaanesh isn't dead, he/she/they/it is ruling France!

They WHAT.

THEY WHAT.

I need some evidence of this heresy. For science.

Solid enough evidence?
Maybe not the strongest, but it seems I wasn't mistaken.

GW isn't going to kill Slaanesh just to appeal to fundies in the USA. GW thinks the US doesn't exist, remember? Hence you aren't allowed to sell GW products in the US.

 urbanknight4 wrote:
This is why I loved reading Dorian Grey when I was little

Somebody say my name?

DorianGray wrote:
As an Eldar my people have waited for this moment for 100,001 years. The Eldar can finally be free with the death of she who thirsts.

Finally. Cegorach's revenge finally accomplished. Thank you forever.

Slaanesh players can go eat gak and die. That's for consuming trillions of Eldar and being a blight on the entire Eldar race for a hundred thousand years.

Wait, what? The Eldar Empire was around at the same time as the Human Empire (DAoT), so that means that Slaanesh can't have been around for more than, like 12,13k years, unless you're talking about how Slaanesh (just like the rest of the Gods) transcends times itself, and therefore has existed since the beginning of time.


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Personally, the changes that I'd like to see in the Slaanesh models are:
1.) more sexual models
2.) more outlandish models available (things like having a model that wears a human face for a mask and has had a human arm grafted onto it's shoulder that gives it a bonus attack because SPEHSS MEGIC!!! or having a human head grafted onto a shoulder which whispers into its ear and gives it +1 Ld, or something)
3.) Less sexual models. Basically, these models are more about taking sensation, and as such, they have extra ears on their bodies, along with extra noses, eyes, etc., and have even more colorful clothing. Or, they are more about drugs, and, as such, they have IV's going into their skin filled with some kind of drug, and syringes attached to their uniforms (for Cultists)
4.) models that are feasting on the flesh of the slain, something like zombie cultists, only minus the zombie aesthetic, also the rest of the Slaanesh worshipers eating in some way - maybe have a Daemonette with a two-pronged fork daintily eating an eyeball as she pirouettes across the battlefield.

If 40k gets rid of Slaanesh what happens to the DE?

 Gamgee wrote:
If 40k gets rid of Slaanesh what happens to the DE?

They continue raping and pillaging as they have been doing since before the Fall of the Eldar

 dusara217 wrote:


Personally, the changes that I'd like to see in the Slaanesh models are:
1.) more sexual models
2.) more outlandish models available (things like having a model that wears a human face for a mask and has had a human arm grafted onto it's shoulder that gives it a bonus attack because SPEHSS MEGIC!!! or having a human head grafted onto a shoulder which whispers into its ear and gives it +1 Ld, or something)
3.) Less sexual models. Basically, these models are more about taking sensation, and as such, they have extra ears on their bodies, along with extra noses, eyes, etc., and have even more colorful clothing. Or, they are more about drugs, and, as such, they have IV's going into their skin filled with some kind of drug, and syringes attached to their uniforms (for Cultists)
4.) models that are feasting on the flesh of the slain, something like zombie cultists, only minus the zombie aesthetic, also the rest of the Slaanesh worshipers eating in some way - maybe have a Daemonette with a two-pronged fork daintily eating an eyeball as she pirouettes across the battlefield.

I completely agree. A lot of people seem to get upset when someone says Slaanesh is supposed to be about sexualisation. While true that Slaanesh isn't all about this, it is also a major part. At the very least there should be the option for players to choose between sexual and less sexual models. Damons I want to see go more towards the H.R.Geiger type of sexuality.

Honestly though Slaanesh isn't the only one that gets the short end of the stick when it comes to their potential and what actually represents them. Khorne is meant to be the god of violence but also militarism and pride, yet we only ever see horned minotaurs. Tzeench is the god of change which could mean revolution, uprisings and conspiracy yet they only ever focus on the sorceror aspect.

 dusara217 wrote:

 Gamgee wrote:
If 40k gets rid of Slaanesh what happens to the DE?

They continue raping and pillaging as they have been doing since before the Fall of the Eldar

I ask this since I don't want the DE to get sigmarrified and toned down. I'm interested in starting a DE army soon after my Tau. It would be pretty demoralizing to see them get toned down and made kid friendly. That would make two of some of my most favorite factions being changed recently (Necron lore is bleh now but I still like how they look).

If anything the DE would get even more ...... uuuhh... dark? I mean, they could start using psychic powers without the threat of getting the attention of She Who Thirsts. Hell, even som of the craftworlders would become more like them, as there would be nothing holding them back.

DE and CWE would have little reason to stay separate any longer.
'Light' Eldar could indulge, and Dark Eldar would have less reason to carry on as they do.
Harlequins would be out of a job...

So, some of the DE models would probably become redundant, too.

 Gamgee wrote:

 dusara217 wrote:

 Gamgee wrote:
If 40k gets rid of Slaanesh what happens to the DE?

They continue raping and pillaging as they have been doing since before the Fall of the Eldar

I ask this since I don't want the DE to get sigmarrified and toned down. I'm interested in starting a DE army soon after my Tau. It would be pretty demoralizing to see them get toned down and made kid friendly. That would make two of some of my most favorite factions being changed recently (Necron lore is bleh now but I still like how they look).

What happened to the Necrons?

 urbanknight4 wrote:

 Gamgee wrote:

 dusara217 wrote:

 Gamgee wrote:
If 40k gets rid of Slaanesh what happens to the DE?

They continue raping and pillaging as they have been doing since before the Fall of the Eldar

I ask this since I don't want the DE to get sigmarrified and toned down. I'm interested in starting a DE army soon after my Tau. It would be pretty demoralizing to see them get toned down and made kid friendly. That would make two of some of my most favorite factions being changed recently (Necron lore is bleh now but I still like how they look).

What happened to the Necrons?

They gained individual personalities, which wouldn't be so bad if the entire army hadn't lost its personality. Obviously it's boring to have them as just emotionless killers that want to exterminate all life, but if you're gonna give them emotions and individuality, don't remove the part about being killers who want to exterminate all life.

So they're not a big threat anymore because they can love now? What. That doesn't sound grimdark.

That's how it's written. Thanks, Mattard.

I like to think they are still omnicidal ultra-maniacal death machines, but some of them can now think for themselves, and have lost their empathy by their death.

 Selym wrote:
That's how it's written. Thanks, Mattard.

I like to think they are still omnicidal ultra-maniacal death machines, but some of them can now think for themselves, and have lost their empathy by their death.

Maybe they're setting this up so the Necrons can coexist with the other races. I meant, this conflict has to end one way or another, right?

Now the Necrons are primarily focused on rebuilding their Empire and each one has a different version they want to rebuild. Which would be fine and a massive improvment if not for the fact that they're becoming best-buddies with some factions.

Eg:

- Trayzen the infinite, great, love this guy, Ward deserves full credit.

- The Necrons becoming best friends 4eva with Blood Angels, not so great...

Blood Angels? I'm sorry, what. But Sphess Muhrines... why?

'cause Mattard plays with 40k like he does barbie dolls.

Absolute heresy. We don't make Necrons our friends. We make them tin foil.

 urbanknight4 wrote:

 Selym wrote:
That's how it's written. Thanks, Mattard.

I like to think they are still omnicidal ultra-maniacal death machines, but some of them can now think for themselves, and have lost their empathy by their death.

Maybe they're setting this up so the Necrons can coexist with the other races. I meant, this conflict has to end one way or another, right?

Yes, it wins when one side kills everybody else. =]

But nobody is powerful enough to do that. Yet...

The Emperor will die, reincarnate, and beat face. Case close, gentlemen.

 Skinnereal wrote:
DE and CWE would have little reason to stay separate any longer.
'Light' Eldar could indulge, and Dark Eldar would have less reason to carry on as they do.
Harlequins would be out of a job...

So, some of the DE models would probably become redundant, too.

The Harlequin troups are not all focused on killing Slaanesh - the other ones focusing on fighting Necrons, or shaping the destiny of the Eldar, etc

DE do what they do because they like it - removing Slaanesh is not gonna changing anything.