The insult was "I am a warmonger because I play games that celebrate war"
I can deal with individuals saying my hobby is geeky or nerdy. in fact personal insults like that don't even register. but calling me a warmonger caught me off guard. I don't really have a comeback for that insult. I don't see myself as a warmonger and I don't see anyone else who plays table top war games as warmongers either.
Gamingdog wrote: The insult was "I am a warmonger because I play games that celebrate war"
I can deal with individuals saying my hobby is geeky or nerdy. in fact personal insults like that don't even register. but calling me a warmonger caught me off guard. I don't really have a comeback for that insult. I don't see myself as a warmonger and I don't see anyone else who plays table top war games as warmongers either.
Any way I just wanted to vent a little
1. Your response should be..wait you're trying to insult the warmonger? "Thats not very smart" THEN
2. Employ the whippy sticks of ultimate ouchy. They will run screaming from your senseless warmongering. It what they are for.
Gamingdog wrote: The insult was "I am a warmonger because I play games that celebrate war"
I can deal with individuals saying my hobby is geeky or nerdy. in fact personal insults like that don't even register. but calling me a warmonger caught me off guard. I don't really have a comeback for that insult. I don't see myself as a warmonger and I don't see anyone else who plays table top war games as warmongers either.
Any way I just wanted to vent a little
Yea it sounds like he disarmed you with his stupid. But anyway presenting is not the same thing as endorsing. People need to remember that.
A very odd insult. Sort of like calling someone who plays cards a royalist. Is this someone you knew or just some random lunatic? If the former, I would genuinely be interested in why they felt that way. If the latter, a raised eyebrow and head shake would suffice.
Gamingdog wrote: The insult was "I am a warmonger because I play games that celebrate war"
I can deal with individuals saying my hobby is geeky or nerdy. in fact personal insults like that don't even register. but calling me a warmonger caught me off guard. I don't really have a comeback for that insult. I don't see myself as a warmonger and I don't see anyone else who plays table top war games as warmongers either.
Any way I just wanted to vent a little
Yea it sounds like he disarmed you with his stupid. But anyway presenting is not the same thing as endorsing. People need to remember that.
Its times like these when I've learned to double down on the stupid. Its almost like I was born for "stupid" fights...oh wait.
hypothetically one could just go full stupid and hit them with a rock. You win and they feel superior because you proved them right.
Sigvatr wrote: Someone insulting you as a warmonger? Tell that guy to go back to his liberal arts studies.
Hey now! Studying liberal arts doesn't necessarily mean you think playing with toy soldiers makes you a warmonger.
The person who said that obviously doesn't know anything about miniature wargames in general, and is making sweeping observations based on the gross lack of knowledge and experience of the subject. If it's a friend or someone who you think it's worth your time to explain, you can try to explain to them that that's a ridiculous suggestion and doesn't mean anything of the sort, no more than reading books about war makes you a warmonger, or watching action movies or war movies makes you a warmonger, or watching news coverage of war makes you a warmonger, and so on and so forth.
But if you don't think they're worth your time to explain it, then I would just not worry about it.
Its a strange insult... I see you are in the US. When I lived there, most jaunts would be turned around if I just agreed with them in an exaggerrated manner.
Its too late for "this is what you should have said", but:
I'd go something like: "Yes of course... You have an eye for details... I am a real hardcore warmonger.... Thats why I collect plastic sci-fi toys, paint them and play around with other pacifist nerds in the toy store. Not everyone would recognize the hostility in this, but you did. Well done! I applaud you!"
If people who play wargames with plastic toy soldiers are warmongers, than 99.9% of the world populations must be.
In that case, you can tell him, that being a warmonger is not bad.
Also, steal his fedora and hide it.
Plastic warmonger Just keep in mind these are little plastic toys. They aren't really that important one way or the other. Your also not required to care what someone thinks.
Gamingdog I empathize. I had an ex girlfriend throw a similar comment at me. That isn't why she is an ex, but it was done right around the time the relationship began to fray so I think she was just blindly trying to say something "hurtful" and get a reaction out of me. I don't recall how I reacted, but I probably laughed which likely only pissed her off more.
As others have pointed out the insult itself is stupid and defies logic. If this ever comes up again try and laugh it off. Perhaps the person saying such nonsense is just trying to get a rise out of you. When in doubt give them the creepy Stewie smile as you agree with the warmongering label. Sell it with your eyes. Let them experience unquenchable blood thirst reflected in your steely-eyed gaze as you smile. Just say nothing and smile.
My response would have been " ... and your point is?"
It's my hobby, NOT theirs. I couldn't give two feths what they think about it.
Hell, I refer to my hobby as "playing with mandollies" and the pieces as "toy soldiers" if anyone asks me.
I also can't understand gamers who hook up with SOs that despise their hobbies ...I mean, the sex can't have been THAT good. The respect thing comes into it, and if they can't (or you can't) respect their hobbies, then that's a deal breaker anyway.
chromedog wrote: I also can't understand gamers who hook up with SOs that despise their hobbies ...I mean, the sex can't have been THAT good. The respect thing comes into it, and if they can't (or you can't) respect their hobbies, then that's a deal breaker anyway.
Me neither. I have heard of people "revealing" their interest in war gaming to a SO after a predesignated time so as not to scare the other person off. I can't stand that sort of self-hating behavior because it legitimizes the mindset that war gaming is an embarrassing hobby.
We should all be proud of this hobby. It is challenging and creative, but most importantly there is no reason to give someone else power over your interests. Not even for a hot piece of ass.
I would doubt that you are in an actual social position to actually be a warmonger.
noun:
a sovereign or political leader or activist who encourages or advocates aggression or warfare toward other nations or groups.
The person that called you such has no fething clue what they are talking about.
Rebuttal: Ask if they play Monopoly, how do they feel about economic warfare and the userous policies that are represented in Monopoly and that it is a cutthroat game in which you strive to drive your opponents to financial ruin.
Alex C wrote: I don't think I could take any offense from someone who cannot distinguish pushing plastic models around and rolling dice from actual warfare.
I agree with this, it'd be more appropriate to call us 'dicemongers' than anything
Gamingdog wrote: The insult was "I am a warmonger because I play games that celebrate war"
I can deal with individuals saying my hobby is geeky or nerdy. in fact personal insults like that don't even register. but calling me a warmonger caught me off guard. I don't really have a comeback for that insult. I don't see myself as a warmonger and I don't see anyone else who plays table top war games as warmongers either.
Any way I just wanted to vent a little
We live in a world where people scream bloody murder over the most inane nonsense you can imagine, so really I wouldn't worry about it.
Alternatively, flip bout entirely, start a Tumblr blog about it, and start asking for donations on Patreon to help you through this tough time.
There are some people out there with some extraordinarily stupid worldviews. And generally these worldviews filter in to every part of their lives. I'm guessing the idiot in this case is a pacifist who's gone way too far, and when he heard about your wargaming he just had to make the connection to drag it back to his all-encompassing worldview about peace and war, and if that meant turning you in to a bad guy based on nothing, well then so be it.
People on dakka may have noticed I quite like to argue... and through my uni days I took on a whole lot of idiots like this guy. I can't think of one that was as comically ridiculous as the one mentioned by the OP, but I've met lunatics about all kind of political beliefs and every other social issue I can think of. And I regret engaging every single one of them. Total waste of time.
I think we're all used to arguing with people who have no interest in understanding another point of view (and if you aren't just hang around dakka for a while), but this is something different. They aren't just forceful in their ideas, but so wrapped up in their ideas as part of their personal identity that any engagement moves from anger to irrational meltdown in minutes.
Just walk away. Most of these people grow up, and start thinking more sensible things. And the ones that don't you probably will quickly disappear from your social circles. Unless they're family, then you're fethed.
Iron_Captain wrote: If people who play wargames with plastic toy soldiers are warmongers, than 99.9% of the world populations must be.
In that case, you can tell him, that being a warmonger is not bad.
Also, steal his fedora and hide it.
A bizarre statement to come out with to be sure but pretty stupid. Most of the people (in my experience at least) who play the wargames couldn't be further away from "warmongering" lol.
1. Your response should be..wait you're trying to insult the warmonger? "Thats not very smart" THEN
2. Employ the whippy sticks of ultimate ouchy. They will run screaming from your senseless warmongering. It what they are for.
I don't know what exalting posts actually does but I had to exalt this for the use of whippy sticks of ultimate ouchy
To the original post you could reply by saying that anyone who is interested in sports is obviously also a warmonger. After all it feeds our animalistic need to compete for resources and emphasises the naturalistic survival of the fittest.
What do they spend there time doing, the whole waste of time and money argument applies to alot of things.
Anyway lol I think my friend had best explanation for girlfriend would you rather me spending the money down the pub/club getting home at x am or at home painting etc with the odd pint?
I think saying you are a Warmonger is going a bit far.
But there are kinda creepy aspects to it.
In the 1980s, one of the games I often played was a Modern Microarmor game from Game Designers' Workshop (GDW). I think the game was called Task Force.... but....
In it, we often fought various scenarios that would be pretty accurate depictions of what would really happen in a WWIII that began in Eastern Europe, with the Warsaw Pact coming across the Bundeswehr and NATO in West Germany.
During one game, it suddenly struck me that this was intensely creepy.
Later, during a discussion with a professor who knew Tolkien, we got off on that subject, and he said Tolkien probably would have been tremendously disapproving of actual "Wargames" (as opposed to "Toy Soldiers" - Like Britains' Toy Soldiers made in the late-1800s and early-1900s).
It was a pretty complex issue.
There is some amount of "Glorification of War" involved in wargaming, or miniatures games that are about fighting and war.
But the whole genre of gaming has become so complicated (different than "complex") that it is hard to untangle something like that.
I am sure that many people wish to simply dismiss all possibility of this off-hand, and claim that any such accusations are BS. Some probably are BS (such as a military officer using a miniature simulation as a training exercise - then, the accusation is wholly BS, as it is directly involved with a job that is about the minimization of conflict should it be called for).
But it is neither so straightforward that it can be simply dismissed, nor so easily labeled as that.
Most of the popular tt war games are fictionalized to the extent that they are cartoonish. I wouldn't consider anyone a "warmonger" for playing 40k or WMH anymore than I would a kid watching Voltron.
Perhaps historicals are a bump up in realism, but every historicals player I've ever met was just a history nerd.
Warmonger should be a term reserved for actual warlords making actual war...
Talk about 1st person shooter games... Some of those are quite realistic and lessens the treshold for shooting someone for a few of the players I think...
Shouting at a neckbeard across a gaming table over your Chaplains rerolls against his plastic elves.... Do not.
In general, I just referred to everyone studying artsy-fartsy stuff that gets you nowhere in life. Stuff like language majors, culture studies, history studies, gender studies etc.
In general, I just referred to everyone studying artsy-fartsy stuff that gets you nowhere in life. Stuff like language majors, culture studies, history studies, gender studies etc.
Stuff that gets you nowhere? What you refer to is the backbone of human civilization and culture!
In general, I just referred to everyone studying artsy-fartsy stuff that gets you nowhere in life. Stuff like language majors, culture studies, history studies, gender studies etc.
Stuff that gets you nowhere? What you refer to is the backbone of human civilization and culture!
Yeah, but a liberal arts degree is less marketable than a science or business degree, therefore making it "useless" and a waste of time.
Never mind a lot of the entertainment we enjoy is brought to us by those very same "nowhere in life" liberal arts majors.
Considering this entire hobby is pretty much composed of the arts (painting, sculpting, writing, history, etc), you seem to have picked the wrong hobby to like. Maybe you just like it because of GW's financial statements or calculating the tensile strength of plastic swords.
In general, I just referred to everyone studying artsy-fartsy stuff that gets you nowhere in life. Stuff like language majors, culture studies, history studies, gender studies etc.
Stuff that gets you nowhere? What you refer to is the backbone of human civilization and culture!
Yeah, but a liberal arts degree is less marketable than a science or business degree, therefore making it "useless" and a waste of time.
Never mind a lot of the entertainment we enjoy is brought to us by those very same "nowhere in life" liberal arts majors.
The biggest problem with Liberal Arts majors is that there are way more graduates than there are jobs for them. So the odds for these graduates is that they did indeed waste their time, relative to other degrees which have demand being greater than supply.
We basically have the situation where we have 10 graduates but only 2 jobs.
In general, I just referred to everyone studying artsy-fartsy stuff that gets you nowhere in life. Stuff like language majors, culture studies, history studies, gender studies etc.
Stuff that gets you nowhere? What you refer to is the backbone of human civilization and culture!
Yeah, but a liberal arts degree is less marketable than a science or business degree, therefore making it "useless" and a waste of time.
Never mind a lot of the entertainment we enjoy is brought to us by those very same "nowhere in life" liberal arts majors.
The biggest problem with Liberal Arts majors is that there are way more graduates than there are jobs for them. So the odds for these graduates is that they did indeed waste their time, relative to other degrees which have demand being greater than supply.
We basically have the situation where we have 10 graduates but only 2 jobs.
In general, I just referred to everyone studying artsy-fartsy stuff that gets you nowhere in life. Stuff like language majors, culture studies, history studies, gender studies etc.
Stuff that gets you nowhere? What you refer to is the backbone of human civilization and culture!
Yeah, but a liberal arts degree is less marketable than a science or business degree, therefore making it "useless" and a waste of time.
Never mind a lot of the entertainment we enjoy is brought to us by those very same "nowhere in life" liberal arts majors.
The biggest problem with Liberal Arts majors is that there are way more graduates than there are jobs for them. So the odds for these graduates is that they did indeed waste their time, relative to other degrees which have demand being greater than supply.
We basically have the situation where we have 10 graduates but only 2 jobs.
Math majors have higher unemployment rates than language studies majors.
I would say that is because Language Studies is an exception as it is useful as a translator. Gender Studies, 16th Century Artwork, etc... not so much.
Its the degree you get while working at Starbucks. Once you graduate you get to work for...Starbucks.
Or you become a teacher and spend your life educating young minds and enjoying your summers at the beach or painting miniatures and laughing at people who are so delusional to think they have more "real" jobs that give them high stress levels.
In general, I just referred to everyone studying artsy-fartsy stuff that gets you nowhere in life. Stuff like language majors, culture studies, history studies, gender studies etc.
Stuff that gets you nowhere? What you refer to is the backbone of human civilization and culture!
Yeah, but a liberal arts degree is less marketable than a science or business degree, therefore making it "useless" and a waste of time.
Never mind a lot of the entertainment we enjoy is brought to us by those very same "nowhere in life" liberal arts majors.
The biggest problem with Liberal Arts majors is that there are way more graduates than there are jobs for them. So the odds for these graduates is that they did indeed waste their time, relative to other degrees which have demand being greater than supply.
We basically have the situation where we have 10 graduates but only 2 jobs.
Math majors have higher unemployment rates than language studies majors.
I would say that is because Language Studies is an exception as it is useful as a translator. Gender Studies, 16th Century Artwork, etc... not so much.
Didn't bother to actually look at the statistics, did you?
Its the degree you get while working at Starbucks. Once you graduate you get to work for...Starbucks.
Or you become a teacher and spend your life educating young minds and enjoying your summers at the beach or painting miniatures and laughing at people who are so delusional to think they have more "real" jobs that give them high stress levels.
1. I hate kids like the white hot heat of a thousand sons. Thats not going to happen. 2. You have to have a teaching degree and certification for that. Unless you have that your argument is incorrect.
One would think someone extolling the virtues of the hard sciences would be able to read basic statistical studies...
Mmm starting salary of grad degree in mathmatics, vs. starting salary of grad degree in "blah blah" Studies. Yea I'll take that. oops Grey beat me.
EDIT: to be fair I am being overly harsh. If you do well (top 10% like every other degree) in liberal arts you have a bright future. Except for "blah blah" studies. Forget those guys.
sebster wrote: There are some people out there with some extraordinarily stupid worldviews. And generally these worldviews filter in to every part of their lives. I'm guessing the idiot in this case is a pacifist who's gone way too far, and when he heard about your wargaming he just had to make the connection to drag it back to his all-encompassing worldview about peace and war, and if that meant turning you in to a bad guy based on nothing, well then so be it.
People on dakka may have noticed I quite like to argue... and through my uni days I took on a whole lot of idiots like this guy. I can't think of one that was as comically ridiculous as the one mentioned by the OP, but I've met lunatics about all kind of political beliefs and every other social issue I can think of. And I regret engaging every single one of them. Total waste of time.
I think we're all used to arguing with people who have no interest in understanding another point of view (and if you aren't just hang around dakka for a while), but this is something different. They aren't just forceful in their ideas, but so wrapped up in their ideas as part of their personal identity that any engagement moves from anger to irrational meltdown in minutes.
Just walk away. Most of these people grow up, and start thinking more sensible things. And the ones that don't you probably will quickly disappear from your social circles. Unless they're family, then you're fethed.
This is pretty good advice in general.
It's a specific version of a great point, which is to keep in mind that people do things for their own reasons, and they might not have the same reasons as you. Never assume that a person you are dealing with has the same motivations, assumptions, values, or priorities you have.
But yes, there are plenty of people that will shoehorn their own particular cause into nearly every social interaction. Just get out of their way when they do that.
In general, when somebody responds in a bizarre and negative way wy to something I say, especially if they make a really off base assumption, I usually just respond with a flat "Not really" and then I change the subject.
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Gordon Shumway wrote: One would think someone extolling the virtues of the hard sciences would be able to read basic statistical studies...
I read this:
Not all the numbers are statistically significant -- they are generated from varying survey data -- use your best judgement
And decided that between small sample size and reporting bias, this is no better than a wild guess.
Vocational majors will pretty obviously lead to more concrete job prospects, while liberal arts is probably better for people that are more generalists, or have family connections or plans for grad school.
I was a Philosophy major, which doesn't lead to any specific career, but was a great prep for law school. Even now, my ability to think through complex issues is sharper because of my schooling.
2. You have to have a teaching degree and certification for that. Unless you have that your argument is incorrect.
Maybe for K-6 or so, you'd need a "teaching degree" but here in the state of Washington, I have to pass a "basic" test, then get an endorsement in whatever fields I want to be able to teach here in order to teach. Also here in Washington, middle school teachers are a "grey" area, where they can either have an education degree, plus requisite licenses, OR they can have a "subject matter" degree, plus licenses. At the high school level, where I am trying to go, a teacher needs a subject matter degree, plus endorsements/licensing.
Its the degree you get while working at Starbucks. Once you graduate you get to work for...Starbucks.
Or you become a teacher and spend your life educating young minds and enjoying your summers at the beach or painting miniatures and laughing at people who are so delusional to think they have more "real" jobs that give them high stress levels.
1. I hate kids like the white hot heat of a thousand sons. Thats not going to happen. 2. You have to have a teaching degree and certification for that. Unless you have that your argument is incorrect.
Actually, strangely, you don't need certification or a teaching degree to teach at the college level.
Actually, strangely, you don't need certification or a teaching degree to teach at the college level.
And that sometimes becomes PAINFULLY obvious.
Well thats news to me. Though not saying anyone without credentials are horrible teachers but with the amount money being dumped to go to college + you would figure accredited teachers would be a big deal. (There is knowing your field, and then there is the ablity to teach it yaknow?)
Grey Templar wrote: I did. Art is at 13.2% unemployment. Math is only 6.5%. Cultures and Civilization is 12%.
My point was that it isn't so black and white to say that liberal art degrees automatically lead to unemployment in their chosen field at a rate higher than sciences as your claim seemed to indicate. It varies with the specific field. (Animal studies is 14.7% for example).
I was an English major. Now I work in a completwlt unrelated Computer Science field. Degrees are a joke compared to accomplishments and skills, and through my now-getting-lengthy job experience, in most cases degrees held is an afterthought to skills and experience acquired when looking through resumes for new hires. To be completely honest, we hardly ever even look beyond the letter "B".
I think at some point the question must be asked from a debt-to-payback side whether undergrad degrees are worth the insane amount of debt schools are burdening their students with, and whether our entire system of undergraduate education is even relevant any longer. If kids are spending half their life paying off student loans, something has gone terribly, terribly wrong.
What this all has to do with some jerk calling our OP a warmonger is beyond me, but that's my 2 cents.
Actually, strangely, you don't need certification or a teaching degree to teach at the college level.
And that sometimes becomes PAINFULLY obvious.
Well thats news to me. Though not saying anyone without credentials are horrible teachers but with the amount money being dumped to go to college + you would figure accredited teachers would be a big deal. (There is knowing your field, and then there is the ablity to teach it yaknow?)
Oh, I totally agree there. But just from knowing how the certification training is done here and what is taught in Ed. Dev. classes, that itself doesn't produce good teachers either. My best teachers were the ones who absolutely loved their subject matter, and as a result, knew it inside out, not the ones most deeply steeped in tautological theory.
Its the degree you get while working at Starbucks. Once you graduate you get to work for...Starbucks.
Or you become a teacher and spend your life educating young minds and enjoying your summers at the beach or painting miniatures and laughing at people who are so delusional to think they have more "real" jobs that give them high stress levels.
1. I hate kids like the white hot heat of a thousand sons. Thats not going to happen. 2. You have to have a teaching degree and certification for that. Unless you have that your argument is incorrect.
Actually, strangely, you don't need certification or a teaching degree to teach at the college level.
I know. My boy is a TA (or will be in the fall). He doesn't even have a degree yet. But he's a presenter at Mathfest next week. In your face Slovenia!
Actually, strangely, you don't need certification or a teaching degree to teach at the college level.
And that sometimes becomes PAINFULLY obvious.
Well thats news to me. Though not saying anyone without credentials are horrible teachers but with the amount money being dumped to go to college + you would figure accredited teachers would be a big deal. (There is knowing your field, and then there is the ablity to teach it yaknow?)
They call them PhD's.
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zombiekila707 wrote: Me personally I would have said something like "But our lord and savior Khorne needs more skulls... for his skull throne!"
Actually, strangely, you don't need certification or a teaching degree to teach at the college level.
And that sometimes becomes PAINFULLY obvious.
Well thats news to me. Though not saying anyone without credentials are horrible teachers but with the amount money being dumped to go to college + you would figure accredited teachers would be a big deal. (There is knowing your field, and then there is the ablity to teach it yaknow?)
The problem is, and this is more true at a CC than a 4-year, that you'll have one or two "tenured" professors of a given subject. Then you'll get a crap load of the part-time "adjunct professors" who are, in theory, scratching their way up to make tenure and full-time positions.
It so happened that I had an English "professor" who tried telling the whole class that you always capitalize the word "segregation", because it was the official title of what went on in the South. This guy failed at reading comprehension, he couldn't make it to class on time, and then when we called him on it, he said, "Im not paid to be here early" Didn't understand that the syllabus was the contract between students and professor (as in, if a student complains about an assignment to the dean of that department, the dean will look at the syllabus, and if that assignment is not on there, then the professor cannot grade the assignment).
The CC that I was at, there are no "credentials" to prove you can teach a subject. The only requirement that they have is that you have a masters in the subject field you're teaching.
"I know. My boy is a TA (or will be in the fall). He doesn't even have a degree yet. But he's a presenter at Mathfest next week. In your face Slovenia!" Good for him Frazz, I hope he enjoys it.
Me too. Its something to see your kid moving forward to do something, be someone that really does make a difference in life, does have meaning. Oh crap, hold on I've got something in my eye...
GC on the other hand is going to Comic Con in SA as Harley Quinn, complete with toy bat. SWMBO wouldn't let take my suggestion and bring a real bat.
I'd say computer games glorify war and violence more. You often directly make your character kill people in various graphic ways. I grew up playing Wolfenstein in which the whole point of the game is to machine gun as many Nazis to death as you can, and it was certainly a lot of fun. Wargaming involves removing miniature models from a table top. I don't think it's anywhere nearly as stimulating to the senses from the aspect of glorifying killing in combat. I think a lot of Wargamers have a greater appreciation of the history behind their armies than the general public and know a lot more of the honourable and dishonourable things they did.
1. Your response should be..wait you're trying to insult the warmonger? "Thats not very smart" THEN
2. Employ the whippy sticks of ultimate ouchy. They will run screaming from your senseless warmongering. It what they are for.
The extremes of Frazzielogic in two easy steps.
1. Frazzie you earned your exalt from that, a true wit answer.
2. Jumping on Frazzie here, on behalf of the numerous comments in a similar vain. Even the simplest play threat against someone who would come out with gak like that 'insult' received.
however wouldn't that type of person being extremely litigious in a liberal douche way, and might they find sympathy from flesh eating lawyers of similar persuasion.
Math majors have higher unemployment rates than language studies majors.
People make fun of pure maths degrees as well.
You never heard the old joke -
What each of these is not like the other? a) A PhD in Mathematical Biology b) A PhD in Theoretical Mathematics c) A PhD in Statistics d) A large pizza
The answer is B, because the other three can feed a family of four.
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Polonius wrote: It's a specific version of a great point, which is to keep in mind that people do things for their own reasons, and they might not have the same reasons as you. Never assume that a person you are dealing with has the same motivations, assumptions, values, or priorities you have.
1. Your response should be..wait you're trying to insult the warmonger? "Thats not very smart" THEN
2. Employ the whippy sticks of ultimate ouchy. They will run screaming from your senseless warmongering. It what they are for.
The extremes of Frazzielogic in two easy steps.
1. Frazzie you earned your exalt from that, a true wit answer.
2. Jumping on Frazzie here, on behalf of the numerous comments in a similar vain. Even the simplest play threat against someone who would come out with gak like that 'insult' received.
however wouldn't that type of person being extremely litigious in a liberal douche way, and might they find sympathy from flesh eating lawyers of similar persuasion.
Thats why every prudent warmonger is friends with the owner of a nearby pig farm or wiener dog pack.
"I love people food. Not too hot. Not too cold. Just right!"
-Rodney the Shanker, sneakiest of all animals. Bastard snuck onto the table while the wife was TEN FEET AWAY and stole an entire stick of butter.
Gamingdog wrote: The insult was "I am a warmonger because I play games that celebrate war"
I can deal with individuals saying my hobby is geeky or nerdy. in fact personal insults like that don't even register. but calling me a warmonger caught me off guard. I don't really have a comeback for that insult. I don't see myself as a warmonger and I don't see anyone else who plays table top war games as warmongers either.
Any way I just wanted to vent a little
Why bothering with that? Just ignore it
I was insulted because of long hair, for listening pop by rockers, for listening metal by oldiers, for wearing something, for playing Sims, for "toy dolls" (40k miniatures), for not interesting in vodka football clubs phones serials movies whatever, for . But I don't care, I don't think I do something wrong.
My neighborhood is a veteran of Afghanistan (he's about 55 now) and he has a lot of stand model tanks, 1/72 game miniatures and never considered as a "playing toys".
Many people returned from army plays World of Tanks game, strikeball/airsoft, collect tanks and weapon models.
only those people, which is defective condemn others, because they are not able for anything else
ps and yes, I'm warmonger because I like killing elves with tank threads and burning mutant alien cocoroaches with flamers
chromedog wrote: I also can't understand gamers who hook up with SOs that despise their hobbies ...I mean, the sex can't have been THAT good. The respect thing comes into it, and if they can't (or you can't) respect their hobbies, then that's a deal breaker anyway.
Me neither. I have heard of people "revealing" their interest in war gaming to a SO after a predesignated time so as not to scare the other person off. I can't stand that sort of self-hating behavior because it legitimizes the mindset that war gaming is an embarrassing hobby.
We should all be proud of this hobby. It is challenging and creative, but most importantly there is no reason to give someone else power over your interests. Not even for a hot piece of ass.
Most people I know don't even know what wargaming is and those who do just make fun of or insult me for it.
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I've personally given up on trying to justify it for people and just play it for my own enjoyment.
I think being "proud" of wargaming is a bit self righteous. It's a time consuming and expensive hobby centering around toy soldiers. Barring the really skilled I don't think there's any hobby to be proud of. Hobbies are distractions from real life.
Unless your hobby is like helping Orphans or charity work. Then you definitely should have be proud of that.
In general, I just referred to everyone studying artsy-fartsy stuff that gets you nowhere in life. Stuff like language majors, culture studies, history studies, gender studies etc.
Stuff that gets you nowhere? What you refer to is the backbone of human civilization and culture!
Sadly all that "civilization" and "culture" stuff only becomes important after hundreds of years. Speaking as someone trying to be a writer...
Keep in mind most major artists have died in crippling poverty and gained prominence only long after their deaths.
Did you ask the person if they consider games such as chess to be perpetuating warmongering?
Tabletop wargames, like chess are simply a game to test strategy with a set of rules.
There is also other aspects involved such as the artistic side, stories and epic tales and social aspect. Gencon is going on right now. Over 50,000 people meet to play games and talk to each other.
This reminds me of the time a local school ran a 'hobbies day' and my local club decided to put in a big game to get some kids involved. It was a primarily a historical club and we out on a Waterloo based game. We got loads of interest and complements from the majority of parents, but one woman kicked up a huge fuss and accused us of being Warmongers who where trying to brainwash kids into joining the army. In the end one of the teachers had to ask her to leave.
It's just ignorant sanctimonious posturing, best ignored.
Hah. Far from miniature wargaming glorifying war and being warmongering, I long for a world in which there are no longer any Wars save for their fictional depictions in entertainment media (video games, film, TV, wargames etc).
If this person is so offended over "Warmongering" miniature wargames, she should be asked for her opinion on Libya and Syria. Two countries that the West actively helped to destabilize (the former by directly bombing the ruling government/regime, and the latter by supporting various amorphous rebel factions, some of which are Jihadist).
If she waffles in response, and cannot come up with a coherent answer, then she's clearly just making empty sanctimonious posturing and doesn't truly care about genuine warmongering, she's just picking on an easy target (harmless Nerds ).
Gamingdog wrote: The insult was "I am a warmonger because I play games that celebrate war"
I can deal with individuals saying my hobby is geeky or nerdy. in fact personal insults like that don't even register. but calling me a warmonger caught me off guard. I don't really have a comeback for that insult. I don't see myself as a warmonger and I don't see anyone else who plays table top war games as warmongers either.
Any way I just wanted to vent a little
Surely if you're being called a warmonger because of your hobby then that's a good thing.?
Just walk away and come back with a face full of warpaint (Maybe some blood for the blood god paint?), then just rabble something Braveheartish. It'd be priceless.
Aww man I wish someone called me a warmonger, that would be so cool.
Also there's a large list of skills that you get out of a BA degree like mine, its just that most people with BA's don't realize they have the skills because they seem self evident, but trust me, skills like computer literacy, critical thinking and the ability to give coherent presentations (ie the foundation of history/politics/classics/english majors) are not universal.
Its a strange insult... I see you are in the US. When I lived there, most jaunts would be turned around if I just agreed with them in an exaggerrated manner.
Its too late for "this is what you should have said", but:
I'd go something like: "Yes of course... You have an eye for details... I am a real hardcore warmonger.... Thats why I collect plastic sci-fi toys, paint them and play around with other pacifist nerds in the toy store. Not everyone would recognize the hostility in this, but you did. Well done! I applaud you!"
Ironically when I got back into this game everyone I knew who played was a US Marine or in the US Navy. Now to be fair I was Active duty Marines and Stationed in Jacksonville NC (biggest Marine base in the world, by population, pendleton is bigger by mileage) SO yeah that would make sense. However, I just moved to Homestead FL where the only military presence is a Reserve air base about the size of a good mall. And up until the FLGS closed down to GW products it was about 70% Military veterans and 30% civilians, a few of which proclaimed they were going to join the military after (Insert Reason here).
Now this is obviously not a metric to grade by since its only 2 examples but maybe in the US its not a very pacifist game
Gamingdog wrote: The insult was "I am a warmonger because I play games that celebrate war"
I can deal with individuals saying my hobby is geeky or nerdy. in fact personal insults like that don't even register. but calling me a warmonger caught me off guard. I don't really have a comeback for that insult. I don't see myself as a warmonger and I don't see anyone else who plays table top war games as warmongers either.
Gamingdog wrote: The insult was "I am a warmonger because I play games that celebrate war"
I can deal with individuals saying my hobby is geeky or nerdy. in fact personal insults like that don't even register. but calling me a warmonger caught me off guard. I don't really have a comeback for that insult. I don't see myself as a warmonger and I don't see anyone else who plays table top war games as warmongers either.
Any way I just wanted to vent a little
Sounds like a dumbass. You should argue loudly with this person every day until he sees his mistake.
Gamingdog wrote: The insult was "I am a warmonger because I play games that celebrate war"
I can deal with individuals saying my hobby is geeky or nerdy. in fact personal insults like that don't even register. but calling me a warmonger caught me off guard. I don't really have a comeback for that insult. I don't see myself as a warmonger and I don't see anyone else who plays table top war games as warmongers either.
Any way I just wanted to vent a little
Sounds like a dumbass. You should argue loudly with this person every day until he sees his mistake.
or just kill him.... yeah i like that option better
Sounds like a dumbass. You should argue loudly with this person every day until he sees his mistake.
It's time wasting. Then another one will say "You are gay and anime fan because you play Eldar" (I'm not sure is the "gay" considered insulting now in your country, but meant so).
Or "You are communist because you downloaded rules from piratebay". You will loose time, explaining there is no connection between communism and internet pirating. Or someting like this.
Really? Four pages of posts on this, all on how to respond?!
Unless this person has some sort of control over your daily life what does it matter what they think or say? Whey even bother responding or reacting? It's just some ones opinion.
My personal mental check list in such situations:
Do I still have a job?
Does my wife still love me?
Do I still have a house?
Am I still healthy?
If none of the above have been affected by said incident then move on. It's only words.
Do I still have a job?
Does my wife still love me?
Do I still have a house?
Am I still healthy?
If none of the above have been affected by said incident then move on. It's only words.
Clearly you don't have the last one... you're a dirty neck bearded gamer type who's warmongering fascinations demand he paint and sniff glue and....
Feth, I can't even take myself seriously on that one any more Pretty good checklist, except number 1 doesn't apply to me at the moment
However, I will say that if you're hearing these sorts of sentiments from someone "important" to you, and you hear it often enough, then yeah, I think health can be affected by that kind of negativity.
Do I still have a job?
Does my wife still love me?
Do I still have a house?
Am I still healthy?
If none of the above have been affected by said incident then move on. It's only words.
Clearly you don't have the last one... you're a dirty neck bearded gamer type who's warmongering fascinations demand he paint and sniff glue and....
Feth, I can't even take myself seriously on that one any more Pretty good checklist, except number 1 doesn't apply to me at the moment
However, I will say that if you're hearing these sorts of sentiments from someone "important" to you, and you hear it often enough, then yeah, I think health can be affected by that kind of negativity.
I agree on that. If it's someone 'important' or has some sort of day to day influence on your life then I see it being an issue, otherwise "whatever!" (to the person making the comments).
