So GW launched a bunch of new bundles today on their website for 85 each with roughly one troop, an HQ, and another unit. The value seems pretty good and in some cases, such as the Tau are a very good deal. I'm always a glass half full person but it seems like GW is starting to invest a bit in value and pulling in new players.
Some are definitely a better deal than others. The Tau one is a steal, since the crisis suits alone are a 75 dollar kit. I'm interested in the Skitarii bundle since it's a good deal and apparantly comes with a formation that uses the models making an easy ally in to my marines.
Then realized I was on the US website, not the canadian one.
Still though, probably some discounts to be had, but these are a farcry from the Battleforces of old.
Yeeeah...the "Battleforces of old" varied wildly in savings/usefulness.
Each of these new boxes doesn't have to worry about usefulness or "what to expand on from here". They all include a Dataslate/Battlescroll composed of the contents within so you can play the box without adding anything more in.
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HoundsofDemos wrote: Some are definitely a better deal than others. The Tau one is a steal, since the crisis suits alone are a 75 dollar kit. I'm interested in the Skitarii bundle since it's a good deal and apparantly comes with a formation that uses the models making an easy ally in to my marines.
Truthfully, they're all good. My personal favorite is the Seraphon one.
$85 gets you a Carnosaur, Saurus Knights, and a box of Saurus Warriors.
A Carnosaur by itself is $85.
I wonder what rules are in the Firespear Strike Force for the Space Marines. It has only about 500 pts of stuff in it. Hopefully scans show up soon. I may actually get this boxed set to get the Captain.
I looked at them briefly, and I think they are pretty cool. However, I think they are mainly there to get people into the whole thing. The space marine list has some flaws. Seriously. 1 tac and 1 dread and 1 captain? From what I hear, Rhinos are super important for marines. All the starter sets look super super badass, like the Leman Russ, the Battlesuits, the Dreadnought, and the Skitarii crawler thing. Since I already have a SM army, I don't really have interest in the starter sets.
Thanks,
David
They are missing a few KEY factions, such as Chaos, Daemons, Eldar, Dark Eldar, and Orks. But this could be a good time to REVIVE SOBs.
If it weren't for stuff like the Crisis Suits being in the Tau box, I wonder how much of this could be chalked up to "Buy this stuff that was piling up in the warehouse because it has awful rules".
Still, I think I want the SM one for the Captain and the formation. Could be good for small games.
I really like the fact that they come with formation rules, that lets anyone buy one for 85 and they have a battleforged army. Both look good for padding out an army as well.
As for other factions missing, I chalk some of that to GW being conservative with this approach. All the factions released are either updated to 7.5 standard or just got new formations in a campaign book. Likely they want to see how well these sell before they invest in more bundles.
Some seems better than others. However I do wanna point out that the SM one more or less invalidated the SM Battleforce that got released a while back, since this one is cheaper and comes with a Terminator Captain and Dataslate.
The main problem I have with these is that, if you don't count the overpriced character, there isn't much savings to be had.
Also, the old Cadian Battleforce came with everything, but replaced the commissar with 2 more heavy weapon teams and another squad of Cadian Shocktroopers for only 20 bucks more.
The tau one and Seraphon ones are still amazing value tho, cuz the main draws of those ones (the Carnosaur and Battlesuits) cost basically the same anyways so if you wanted those models, there's no reason not to get these.
MechaEmperor7000 wrote: Some seems better than others. However I do wanna point out that the SM one more or less invalidated the SM Battleforce that got released a while back, since this one is cheaper and comes with a Terminator Captain and Dataslate.
The main problem I have with these is that, if you don't count the overpriced character, there isn't much savings to be had.
Also, the old Cadian Battleforce came with everything, but replaced the commissar with 2 more heavy weapon teams and another squad of Cadian Shocktroopers for only 20 bucks more.
The tau one and Seraphon ones are still amazing value tho, cuz the main draws of those ones (the Carnosaur and Battlesuits) cost basically the same anyways so if you wanted those models, there's no reason not to get these.
I agree.
I think you're getting an impressive deal with these starter sets.
I rather like the Tyranid one. A Tyrant, 10 Gargoyles, and 3 Warriors.
I'll be getting the Skitarii set. I need an Onager, I can always use more Vanguard, and the Dominus will be for later when I start on a War Convocation. The formation and savings are just gravy
I'm probably going to get the admech one. Especially if the formation allows for me to bring a small amount of admech into my marine army with an awesome HQ, a good troop unit, and splash in a mean walker.
Odd... Error 404 when you click on them... I'm guessing a noble employee at GW posted that to raise the hopes of the community and then was quickly brutalized for his most heretical actions by his superiors.
im starting tau and the box set will be awesome to bolster my battlesuits. also, since im a sucker for orks i will get that one, which is still a decent deal, but since i rarely play aos, ill most likely convert them to 40k orks. SNAKEBITES, that boar chariot is so going to be a warbuggy
geargutz wrote: im starting tau and the box set will be awesome to bolster my battlesuits. also, since im a sucker for orks i will get that one, which is still a decent deal, but since i rarely play aos, ill most likely convert them to 40k orks. SNAKEBITES, that boar chariot is so going to be a warbuggy
I would recommend you wait on the ork section of your order, if these sell well most factions will most likely receive a starter.
I noticed one had a shipping date of next weekend but another had a shipping date of September, either they put them up 9 months early by mistake, or they've taken them down to make sure the details are all in order.
There was a 40k ork one released last week by the looks of it.
It's a terrible deal though, an Ork Codex and some Flash Gits and a Mek for what looks to be no discount... (Harlequins got a similar bundle, with their Codex a Troupe and the Psyker).
geargutz wrote: im starting tau and the box set will be awesome to bolster my battlesuits. also, since im a sucker for orks i will get that one, which is still a decent deal, but since i rarely play aos, ill most likely convert them to 40k orks. SNAKEBITES, that boar chariot is so going to be a warbuggy
I would recommend you wait on the ork section of your order, if these sell well most factions will most likely receive a starter.
I reckon that they might release the remaining armies over the course of the next three weeks.
GW seems to have run out of "new" things to release during the christmas break, maybe these are filler releases to tie us over until the next proper release comes.
geargutz wrote: im starting tau and the box set will be awesome to bolster my battlesuits. also, since im a sucker for orks i will get that one, which is still a decent deal, but since i rarely play aos, ill most likely convert them to 40k orks. SNAKEBITES, that boar chariot is so going to be a warbuggy
I would recommend you wait on the ork section of your order, if these sell well most factions will most likely receive a starter.
actualy, i would be more willing to buy a fantasy ork starter set then a 40k one oddly enough...i have plenty of 40k orks....too many, but i have been slowly collecting fantasy for snakebites, this just seals the deal.
what the 40k starter set would need to realy get my attention would be mek gunz at a deal.
Kimchi Gamer wrote: If anyone wants to see them, they are currently up on the New Zealand page. That one gets updated first. Just check out those prices, haha.
The easiest way to turn anyone in north america off of warhammer: secretly switch their default region to New Zealand or Australia.
whats great is that these are cheap formations, and if they have good rules that help synchronize the odd assortment of units in the starter set then these formations easily become a common part of any force (even allies). i calculated the max points of the tau box and it roughply comes to 300pts, thats very cheap for a formation.
Canada is slowly getting to Australian levels and starting to rival New Zealand levels :C Our Librarian actually costs more than it's aussie counterpart.
That's so bad, I don't understand how GW can expect people to pay those sorts of prices. I mean the cadian defence force is more than triple in New Zealand as it is here in the UK. Hopefully it doesn't get as bad for you over in Canada but i'm guessing by what your saying it's getting there :(
I would love to see stuff like this for other armies eventually. Ultimately, these kits really do include the core units(kinda, the Tyranid one needs Genestealers or one of the gaunts instead of Gargoyles) of the particular army. For example, a Space Wolves pack would include Krom Dragongaze, a Space Wolf pack, and Space Wolf Venerable Dreadnought. Or they could do something different and have it include Bjorn instead of the Space Wolf Lord.
Blood Angels could have something with their Sanguinary Priest, Jump Pack Chaplain, or Captain Karlaen. Karlaen could come with the Blood Angels Terminators and a Vanguard Veteran Squad.
Eldar could do something with Jetbikes, including a set of jetbikes and a Jetseer. Or they could do something with the poor Autarch that everyone forgets in spite of the fact that the model is so cool, IMO. Too bad there are no units to include with the poor guy.
DA could have an Interrogator-Chaplain or possibly the Company Master from Dark Vengeance, a Tactical Squad with included upgrade sprue, and a squad of Company Veterans. I don't know enough about Orks to make a suggestion there.
Grey Knights don't have a plastic character, but I guess they really can't get one of these sort of boxes (none of them include any new kits).
Dark Eldar would have an Archon, Kalabite Warriors, and a Venom.
Orks would include the Warboss from Stormclaw, some boyz, and something like some Mek Gunz or Killa Kans or a Deff Dread.
The Grey Knights could get a plastic Generic Librarian, since they've been using the generic librarian since 5th edition now.
Unfortunately (from the New Zealand site) it seems that Harlequins, Orks, Dark Eldar and Blood Angels instead got "bundles" that package the codex wit hit, but offer no discount and don't actually have the core of the force in the bundle (well, Harlequins do, but it's only because their range only has like 4 different kits).
MechaEmperor7000 wrote: The Grey Knights could get a plastic Generic Librarian, since they've been using the generic librarian since 5th edition now.
Unfortunately (from the New Zealand site) it seems that Harlequins, Orks, Dark Eldar and Blood Angels instead got "bundles" that package the codex wit hit, but offer no discount and don't actually have the core of the force in the bundle (well, Harlequins do, but it's only because their range only has like 4 different kits).
I suppose they could do that with the librarian, but their armor doesn't exactly match that of the Grey Knights. Hooray on the bottom tier codex bundles at no savings. That will certainly help move kits!
Matt.Kingsley wrote: There was a 40k ork one released last week by the looks of it. It's a terrible deal though, an Ork Codex and some Flash Gits and a Mek for what looks to be no discount... (Harlequins got a similar bundle, with their Codex a Troupe and the Psyker).
EDIT: Never mind, It's a terrilbe deal.
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SirSertile wrote: Where did they go? I checked at 8:20 PM PST. Oh no.
I check my history (IE 9, if you were wundering), and I get "Error 404, All records expunged from library)
The absolute best thing about these IMO is the price point...
Perfectly priced for little timmy to pick his own army and get mummy and daddy to stump up and get some fresh blood in the hobby. A few paints and a paint brush, out the shop ready to hobby for ~£75... Very accessible.
But the stuff is unplayable. Even unbound with formations, it is as if they picked the bad units of a codex on put them in one deal and called it a day.
quote=alasta 675038 8352952 7e4d697a8ab65e649389a922595c3d77.jpg]I'm glad imperial guard has another new formation!
The Necron box has one of the lower % discounts and it has to compete with its own Battleforce which is a fairly good set of units to start an army for a similar % discount. Shame they couldn't match the value of the Tau box. Even bigger shame that the Orks didn't get a starter box. Orks could of used a good box set after that cluster gak that was the Mek Mob set.
Makumba wrote: But the stuff is unplayable. Even unbound with formations, it is as if they picked the bad units of a codex on put them in one deal and called it a day.
alasta wrote: I'm glad imperial guard has another new formation!
What does it do?
The boxes themselves include an as-of-yet unseen formation for the box's contents.
The AoS ones seem to blow the 40k ones out of the water in terms of discounts. As for the good value ones in 40k, the AdMech, Tau and Tyranid ones are the best. The rest are more like "buy these units and get a free character".
Tin foil hat time, but it is definitely interesting that the arguably two worst codices in the game at the moment (tied with Grey Knights and Orks, CSM doesn't count) got one click bundles that don't appear to have any discount. What is going on! Inquiring minds want to know!
And pre-ordered After a pre-order discount from my FLGS and sales tax, I ended up paying about $3 more for the Skitarii set than a single Onager Dunecrawler. I'll be curious to see the included formation, since I really dig the Dominus mini, and I'd love to have a way to field it in my Skitarii army without going Unbound.
Hopefully the formation is good, but so many cool stories are spinning in my head of having a tech priest with a small guard looking for a tech artifact splashed into my marines or guard.
Gamgee wrote: I can't say our prices are that bad at all. I'm not paying anywhere near as much for things as New Zealand and Australia. Ontario here.
Then again I have like a 27% discount the majority of time.
You might wanna check out the cost of the Wraith Knight in Canada compared to NZ and Aus. Or the Terminator Librarian.
That is a strange anomaly. And yet it's still a better value than the majority of gakky video games coming out these days.
Oh how the world has changed.
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Damn... i gotta grab me a starter set asap with my discount will be insane. For the Tau. I could use all the things in the boxed set and its basically 10 more dollars than buying just three crisis suits.
casvalremdeikun wrote: I would love to see stuff like this for other armies eventually. Ultimately, these kits really do include the core units(kinda, the Tyranid one needs Genestealers or one of the gaunts instead of Gargoyles) of the particular army. For example, a Space Wolves pack would include Krom Dragongaze, a Space Wolf pack, and Space Wolf Venerable Dreadnought. Or they could do something different and have it include Bjorn instead of the Space Wolf Lord.
The Tyranid one looks like it'll go really well with the Swarm box. That has all the gaunts you'll need for a while.
So, any idea why Canada prices are so damn high ?!
BTW, GW seems to change its ways, with the revival of the Specialists, these price cuts etc...
It's good to see.
I might just have to get the Tau one. I like the Ethereal on his hoverdrone, and considering the price is basically "buy a box of Crisis suits, get an Ethereal and 10 Fire Warriors for $10 (US)", it is a truly great deal. If I was interested in starting another army, I'd do the Admech one, as it is almost as good.
I think I said this else where. Will say it here. I swore 2016 I wouldn't be spending much on GW just like the last few years. Now GW turns around and does this. DAM IT! Now I want the Spheron, (I think they are called that, the Fantasy Lizards) didn't think I wanted an Age of Sigmar Army lol. And those Necrons and Tau look good as well.
I NEVER THOUGHT I WOULD SAY THIS, 2016 looks like to be an expensive GW year for me.
I think Hell just froze over. Did the Maple Leafs win the Lord Stanley Cup? GW has turned around and giving out great discounts now.
Listed as "Email me" instead of "Sold Out", so perhaps a sign that they didn't expect this to go down so well and the offer will be sticking around for a while? Lets hope so.
MechaEmperor7000 wrote: The main problem I have with these is that, if you don't count the overpriced character, there isn't much savings to be had.
Oh please explain my fellow Canadian.
$64.50 for Hive Tyrant
$61 for Warriors
$34.75 for Gargoyles.
=$160.25 Canadian.
How is a savings of $60.25 not much of a savings to be had? Where in Canada is a 37% savings no much savings?
I forgot to exclude the Tyranids. My bad. But look at the SM one and it's only a 5 dollar discount if you don't count the Terminator Captain. Same thing goes for the Cadian one.
Also, for those in the future that will nitpick him apparently not seeing the "overpriced character" and counting the Hive Tyrant anyway: I specifically meant the clampack characters. The Hive Tyrant is overpriced (I think it should be 45 CAD) but not something that seems like was tossed in just to make it a legitimate discount.
GW wanted to show just how much they hate DE, BA, Harlequins and Orks, so they released special deals that save you no money and give you crap units and a crap codex while the other favoured armies get a bunch of discouts on OK to great units and free formations. Ya know, just to kick you when you're down.
CSM meanwhile gets nothing, because GW has forgotten they exist. Probably for the best really.
That's the thing, if they'd released a decent DE and Harlies box set, I'd have bought them in a shot.
But out of that lot, the only ones that interest me are maybe the tau and tyranid sets.
I'll probably hang on though tbh, and see if they do something with the eldar factions.
The AoS sets are much more tempting. I'm quite likely to pick up Nurgle, Chaos and Seraphon.
Vankraken wrote: The Necron box has one of the lower % discounts and it has to compete with its own Battleforce which is a fairly good set of units to start an army for a similar % discount. Shame they couldn't match the value of the Tau box. Even bigger shame that the Orks didn't get a starter box. Orks could of used a good box set after that cluster gak that was the Mek Mob set.
I thought the mek mob set was cool. I didn't get it, but i thought it was a cool set.
I'm tempted by the Tau one (will expand my army, but annoyed as I bought the campaign box for the Ethereal, and the fire warriors and Crisis suits when they came out!), the Nid one (with my mostly un-assembled Swarm box might be a solid army core?) and the Mechanicus one (can use the Dominus and Skitarii in 30k, not sure what I'd do with the Dune Crawler though...).
MechaEmperor7000 wrote: Canadian Dollar tanked, so GW decided to take this opportunity to jack up our prices.
Wanna bet they "forget" to change them back once our dollar becomes the same with the USD later?
Actually, the starter prices in CAD are cheaper than in USD. If it were actual parity with current rates, the starter boxes would cost $117.75 CAD. They're discounting the boxes in Canada, compared to the US.
MechaEmperor7000 wrote: Canadian Dollar tanked, so GW decided to take this opportunity to jack up our prices.
Wanna bet they "forget" to change them back once our dollar becomes the same with the USD later?
Actually, the starter prices in CAD are cheaper than in USD. If it were actual parity with current rates, the starter boxes would cost $117.75 CAD. They're discounting the boxes in Canada, compared to the US.
If you use logic and math, how else can we be raving idiots on the Internet?
MechaEmperor7000 wrote: Canadian Dollar tanked, so GW decided to take this opportunity to jack up our prices.
Wanna bet they "forget" to change them back once our dollar becomes the same with the USD later?
Actually, the starter prices in CAD are cheaper than in USD. If it were actual parity with current rates, the starter boxes would cost $117.75 CAD. They're discounting the boxes in Canada, compared to the US.
The price wasn't balanced towards how much they cost from the UK or the US, but based on how much the contents are priced at. Since some of it was older content (and thus hasn't been jacked up in price) they would have run into the issue where there was almost no discount at all. This is most evident with the Imperial Guard box, since most of it is 5th edition vintage where the price was much better.
When our dollar was almost the same as the USD, we still paid 10% more. Same issue with the Aus and NZ. Just check out the weird prices of the Wraithknight across the four countries and remember that this thing was priced when our dollar was strong.
I saw the tyranid set and was pleased to see a good price. Then I remembered that the game is garbage and the nid army a mess with a lousy dex and rules spread all over the place.
If this is the start to a change in business practices and GW plans to put serious effort into making 40K a good game and dexes/units/biomorphs/wargear reasonably balanced; doing proper errata; sell models and rules at reasonable prices; and re-engaging with the gaming community then that would be welcome.
Otherwise it is like sending someone into a burning house with a glass of water.
Vankraken wrote: The Necron box has one of the lower % discounts and it has to compete with its own Battleforce which is a fairly good set of units to start an army for a similar % discount. Shame they couldn't match the value of the Tau box. Even bigger shame that the Orks didn't get a starter box. Orks could of used a good box set after that cluster gak that was the Mek Mob set.
I thought the mek mob set was cool. I didn't get it, but i thought it was a cool set.
It was really too unfocused in what it offered with a Deffdread being something you rarely saw with trukk boyz/MANz. The "Mek" really hurt the bundle as it is a horribly cost ineffective purchase for what amounts to a 15 point character that you throw in front of something in a challenge so your Nob or Warboss can swing his PK at the rest of the unit. Mek also has a KMS modeled which is a rather huge points waste plus if you really want a Mek model (just not as fancy) you can get one in a Loota/Burna box plus get 4 Lootas/Burnas for the same price. Meks aren't even a real HQ and is just a slotless character you can take for every HQ you have.
swalker91 wrote: Apologies if someone has pointed this out earlier but I think the old Necron "starter set" (the battleforce) has now been removed from the store.
That's a real shame they just took it down (it was up a day or two ago). Would of been a good addition to the Necron starter box.
I actually like the Termie captain, but I kinda wish they included something else other than the tactical marine and ven dread. It's literally a reskinned Marine Battleforce. A predator or something instead of the dread would have been nice (and matched the savings closer to the Tau and Mechanicus set).
I think he's a cool model but table top wise a terminator captain with power sword and SB isn't a great option. I'd prefer either a drop pod or a librarian
One of the things that bothers me is that GW keeps releasing clampack characters but they've shown that they could make very good "Character" kits that are not that much more expensive than the clampacks (Chaos Terminator Lord). Kinda wish they'd return to those, cuz it means we can get some options up in our HQs.
better option, but if i was going to bother with a captain, it be on a bike with either the gorgons chain or shield eternal. ET lets him stand up to a lot of threats.
MechaEmperor7000 wrote: I actually like the Termie captain, but I kinda wish they included something else other than the tactical marine and ven dread. It's literally a reskinned Marine Battleforce. A predator or something instead of the dread would have been nice (and matched the savings closer to the Tau and Mechanicus set).
That is my problem with this set as well. I would have loved to see a tank of some sort rather than the Dread. I would've been play with just about anything in the $45 to $60 range, to be honest.
Im actually really impressed I guess GW was feeling the crunch too and are finally offering some good deals. The tau one is a sure fire winner and thus will probably sold out forever.
swalker91 wrote: Apologies if someone has pointed this out earlier but I think the old Necron "starter set" (the battleforce) has now been removed from the store.
Too bad. I've started Necrons from there. The new starter set is not really useful.
Matthew wrote: If they had exchanged the Tactical Marines for something else... I mean, that Captain is awesome, and a Dread is always nice.
I guess with a few extra bits I could convert the whole squad into more Sternguard. Still kinda frustrating that they made this set almost identical to the Battleforce. At least it is $15 cheaper.
Matthew wrote: If they had exchanged the Tactical Marines for something else... I mean, that Captain is awesome, and a Dread is always nice.
I guess with a few extra bits I could convert the whole squad into more Sternguard. Still kinda frustrating that they made this set almost identical to the Battleforce. At least it is $15 cheaper.
As a Space Wolf player, I already have 10 Wolf Guard, but I guess I could make Assault Marines...?
The only one I don't like much is the Marine one. And that's from a marine player.
I agree, it seems a pretty poor deal in comparison to the other ones. I'm still amazed by the Seraphon one from AOS, I mean the carnosaur is almost as expensive as the starter box on its own and the other units are poor saving as with the Tau
We wrote: Kudos for GW for doing this but I have 4 40K armies:
Space Smurfs - which the last thing I need is another Captain or more Tactical Marines.
Orks - I have the codex. and no discount
Eldar - I guess I could expand to Harlequins or DE but no discount
CSM - sigh
Makes me think this is to sell some of the newer armies and not for vets who have the older armies. Oh well can't have everything.
That would probably be why they're called "getting started" deals.
You know, to get fresh blood into the hobby.
Or, you know, sell to guys who want another painting project and will sell off extra things they don't need from it, like me. I'll have 3 dominus techpriests by the time I get my boxes and I highly doubt I'll ever find a use for the third, so he'll probably get sold to cover the costs of the box
MechaEmperor7000 wrote: The main problem I have with these is that, if you don't count the overpriced character, there isn't much savings to be had.
Oh please explain my fellow Canadian.
$64.50 for Hive Tyrant
$61 for Warriors
$34.75 for Gargoyles.
=$160.25 Canadian.
How is a savings of $60.25 not much of a savings to be had? Where in Canada is a 37% savings no much savings?
I might be picking the Tyranid one up just because of the savings! Just to paint up because The Tyrant and the Warriors are some of my favourite models and just a great deal!
Wish the Fantasy (or Age of Sigmar now) ones had more of the armies I want....I'd like some empire or a better lizardmen one I don't want any of the Lizardmen models not a fan of those cavalry
With a unit of Warriors, a unit of Gargoyles, and a Hive Tyrant, is the Tyranid Starter probably going to be the lowest point way to spam Hive Tyrants? I really hope it doesn't require them to be on foot. My brother will love that boxed set dataslate if it allows them to fly.
MechaEmperor7000 wrote: I would just grab two of those boxes and sell everything that's not a hive tyrant to recoup the losses.
That or if you're new to the game use the warriors for the bare minimum troop choice.
For a starter army, it is hardly the worst thing. Yes, Warriors pretty well suck due to their crappy save (really, what the hell kind of warrior goes into battle with frickin' paper armor anyway, they should be 3+) and Gargoyles are just winged Gaunts, but a person could have some fun with it. I am surprised they didn't put Genestealers in there (new kit inbound?).
I doubt they'd recut the genestealers, the warriors are in there prolly because they weren't selling well enough. Plus in the past few years we've had two genestealer-centric releases (Space Hulk and Deathstorm)
That is unless they're finally returning the Genestealer Cults.
MechaEmperor7000 wrote: I doubt they'd recut the genestealers, the warriors are in there prolly because they weren't selling well enough. Plus in the past few years we've had two genestealer-centric releases (Space Hulk and Deathstorm)
That is unless they're finally returning the Genestealer Cults.
*tinfoils on*
Isn't the current Genestealer kit quite old? Like older than the PREVIOUS Tactical Squad kit?
Who knows, maybe they will throw a bone at the Warriors and give them a 3+ Armor Save. It really blows that their rules are not that good, because they really are cool looking kits. If I were to start Tyranids, I would love to have an army with them as my Troops source. As of right now, I am fighting valiantly against the urge to buy the Tyranid set or the Tau set. I already caved and bought the Space Marine set. At $68, it was hard not to.
If the different Dataslates that come with these sets are good (and include all the rules to run the army like Deathstorm or Stormclaw did), it will be even harder.
MechaEmperor7000 wrote: I would just grab two of those boxes and sell everything that's not a hive tyrant to recoup the losses.
That or if you're new to the game use the warriors for the bare minimum troop choice.
Personally I'd pick up the new tyranid box and one of those army boxes seen them for £90 plus the £50 thats like £140 and you get quite a few in numbers. I always say its good to get as many models as possible for horde armies then specialize because generally you're always going to need a spare 3 squads or more when things start spawning. If I went tyranids thats what I'll be doing atleast but that tau box is very tempting.
MechaEmperor7000 wrote: I doubt they'd recut the genestealers, the warriors are in there prolly because they weren't selling well enough. Plus in the past few years we've had two genestealer-centric releases (Space Hulk and Deathstorm)
That is unless they're finally returning the Genestealer Cults.
*tinfoils on*
Isn't the current Genestealer kit quite old? Like older than the PREVIOUS Tactical Squad kit?
Who knows, maybe they will throw a bone at the Warriors and give them a 3+ Armor Save. It really blows that their rules are not that good, because they really are cool looking kits. If I were to start Tyranids, I would love to have an army with them as my Troops source. As of right now, I am fighting valiantly against the urge to buy the Tyranid set or the Tau set. I already caved and bought the Space Marine set. At $68, it was hard not to.
If the different Dataslates that come with these sets are good (and include all the rules to run the army like Deathstorm or Stormclaw did), it will be even harder.
I'd prefer giving Synapse back the Pseudo-EW it had in 4th edition (where only a rule with instant death can cause it to things under synapse, rather than just be double strength) it would make warriors a hell of a lot more useful since battle cannons doesn't gib them on contact, and they're not "Bug marines" or "Bug battlesuits".
Also the GS kit was released in 4th edition, but it's just as old as the Carnifex kit. The Gaunt kit is even older and both are newer than the last Tactical Squad kit I think.
...but if the discount on the Skitarii box is any indication ($141 going for $85 - so about 60%), then you could package all 15 of the current LotD models ($139.25) for $85...but then what would be the point of buying the individual kits?
Wishing for a SM starter kit that doesn’t have tac marines is just one step shy of asking for a unicorn. I know we all have a zillion of them on the shelf, but they are the core of a marine army. Frankly I’d complain if an intro box didn’t have them.
If you are patient and can budget for the infrequent larger boxes, there is no reason to pick up a straight tac box. They get bundled with everything eventually, so if you just grab the battleforces/stikeforces/starter boxes, you will eventually get more then you ever need. At a discount.
Kanluwen wrote: Imagine the whining if the Space Marine box had included Scouts instead of Tactical Marines.
Context would be important. It might be fun to see a “Minimum CAD tax box” Librarian, 5 sniper scouts, 5 Bolter scouts, and a LSS would be roughly equivalent to the other boxes. Or a 10th company TF box with a 3 man scout bike instead of the librarian.
Scouts, while less useful from a modeling POV (tac marines, as mentioned above, are a quick swap from a lot of options in the codex) are very useful in list building. And show up in a lot of different formations.
I know they have shown up alongside tacs in a number of boxes, but never instead of them IIRC.
If you get a 10% discount on the Tau box, you're basically buying the battlesuits and get the rest free. If you're getting any sort of discount bigger than that, you're effectively getting a discounted box of Battlesuits AND everything free.
Which is why i pre ordered it, icing on the cake is the formation letting me use all three without having buy anything else. I get my marines an awesome back up HQ, a good troop unit and a walker that is probably one of the best skyfire for the imperium.
Alleged Formation bonuses ;
SM Each turn a single unit of the formation within 12" of the captain can shoot in the movement phase instead of moving. It can still shoot again in the shooting phase.
Skitarii
At the start of the shooting phase select a unit within 18" of the Dominus. You reroll to hit against it.
Tyranids
In the movement phase the gargoyles if they are near the Tyrant can enter reserve and immediately deep strike on the board. If they arrive near the warriors they don't scatter.
Necrons
When the warriors or the scarab are destroyed they return alive at the start of your next turn within 5" of the Overlord.
Tau
A unit from this Formation near the Ethereal can redeploy. Select the unit to redeploy before the game starts.
Imperial Guard
All infantry model of the formation near the Leman Russ have a 4+ cover.
Me too. Use Imperial Fists Chapter Tactics. Fire all the bolters.
So each Tactical Marine would be firing 4 twin linked shots per turn? YES
Not exactly, but close enough. They have to be in Rapid Fire range to do it, and are only rerolling ones. If you use Sentinels of Terra, they are TL at Rapid Fire Range.
One other thing to keep in mind. If you leave the Dreadnought stationary, he can fire off his weapons twice. If you give him a pair of TL Autocannons or a Missile Launcher and TL Lascannon, he suddenly becomes quite potent.
casvalremdeikun wrote: That is very nice too. Ten rending shots is pretty scary. Can Raptor Tactics affect the Dreadnought Storm Bolter?
Raptor’s marksmanship only affects bolters (including c-bolters fired as such) and bolt pistols.
Last I checked anyway. So the dread can’t get any weapons that benefit from the rule.
Hmm. Thought, no idea if it works. How do hurricane bolters fit? They fire like 3 TL’d bolters. So (whole bunch of “ifs” here) if they work, and if the formation allows any type of dread, then you could have a rending, doubleshotting ironclad. Niche case, but could be fun.
casvalremdeikun wrote: That is very nice too. Ten rending shots is pretty scary. Can Raptor Tactics affect the Dreadnought Storm Bolter?
Raptor’s marksmanship only affects bolters (including c-bolters fired as such) and bolt pistols.
Last I checked anyway. So the dread can’t get any weapons that benefit from the rule.
Hmm. Thought, no idea if it works. How do hurricane bolters fit? They fire like 3 TL’d bolters. So (whole bunch of “ifs” here) if they work, and if the formation allows any type of dread, then you could have a rending, doubleshotting ironclad. Niche case, but could be fun.
You are correct in the Storm Bolter. I would not count the Hurricane Bolter. Yes, it is three twin-linked bolters, but it is still its own weapon overall.
casvalremdeikun wrote: That is very nice too. Ten rending shots is pretty scary. Can Raptor Tactics affect the Dreadnought Storm Bolter?
Raptor’s marksmanship only affects bolters (including c-bolters fired as such) and bolt pistols.
Last I checked anyway. So the dread can’t get any weapons that benefit from the rule.
Hmm. Thought, no idea if it works. How do hurricane bolters fit? They fire like 3 TL’d bolters. So (whole bunch of “ifs” here) if they work, and if the formation allows any type of dread, then you could have a rending, doubleshotting ironclad. Niche case, but could be fun.
You are correct in the Storm Bolter. I would not count the Hurricane Bolter. Yes, it is three twin-linked bolters, but it is still its own weapon overall.
Hurricane bolters are 3 bolt guns. When this question came up concerning the dark angels banner of devistation(turned bolt guns in 12 inches into Salvo 2/4), it was faqed to include all bolt guns, including combi bolters and hurricane bolters.
casvalremdeikun wrote: That is very nice too. Ten rending shots is pretty scary. Can Raptor Tactics affect the Dreadnought Storm Bolter?
Raptor’s marksmanship only affects bolters (including c-bolters fired as such) and bolt pistols.
Last I checked anyway. So the dread can’t get any weapons that benefit from the rule.
Hmm. Thought, no idea if it works. How do hurricane bolters fit? They fire like 3 TL’d bolters. So (whole bunch of “ifs” here) if they work, and if the formation allows any type of dread, then you could have a rending, doubleshotting ironclad. Niche case, but could be fun.
You are correct in the Storm Bolter. I would not count the Hurricane Bolter. Yes, it is three twin-linked bolters, but it is still its own weapon overall.
Hurricane bolters are 3 bolt guns. When this question came up concerning the dark angels banner of devistation(turned bolt guns in 12 inches into Salvo 2/4), it was faqed to include all bolt guns, including combi bolters and hurricane bolters.
koooaei wrote: If i get it right, you must declare your special shooting at the start of your movement phase. So, won't work with transports that well.
Also doesn't work with Drop Pods, which is a shame. Still, if it allows two rounds of shooting with the Ven Dread each turn, that could be quite potent.
Also, what was FAQ'd for Dark Angels is irrelevant, unless the Raptors Chapter Tactics specifically states that it affects Hurricane Bolters, it doesn't work with them.
Its good for people who either want another set of troops or are just starting out, like I just started a marine army and with no troops yet this set seems a fine start to me.
I was quite impressed by the starter kits. It was enough to pull GW back into my radar. I hope they can see that this was a smart business decision, and hopefully they will keep releasing things like this. Bundles that actually save you money. These are the kinds of things GW needs to start doing to bring new players in.
Ratius wrote: Very tempted to get the AoS Ork kit and proxy the boarboys as bikes. Already have 5 old metal boarboys.
Hmmm.....
If you already have a ton of 40k ork bits, it would actually be a pretty awesome deal. Definitely could find a way to turn the boar boys into bikers (maybe even just say they're snakebites and give them pistols, strap a big shoota to the boar's head, and call it a day)
Plus the Boys are almost identical to regular boyz. You just need guns to give them.
Only thing that's kind of odd is the chariot, but I'm sure you could butcher it into some sort of trukk or warboss bike.
