Well, I guess it was a long time in the coming, but I think I'm finally out. Not even angry or bitter or anything that you'd normally expect. That would suggest that I still care about the game enough to have emotion about it. I'm just kind of done.

My group initially quit during 7th when things went so wrong with taudar / formations. We all got back onboard the hype train for 8th though, and things seemed good at first with the Index meta. There were some minor issues, but I feel like those were dealt with pretty quickly.

As the codexes and faqs started coming out, some armies definitely got left behind though, and interest started waning again. One by one, people started dropping. I think my last game was 3 weeks or so ago, and we barely managed enthusiasm to finish the game.

Now the big faqs finally came out, and no one has any real interest in playing still. Everyone's kind of departed from wargaming for the most part except for two of the other guys that doubled down hard on Infinity. Everyone else is finally starting to get old and figure out what it means to be adults, and I was probably the one with the least amount of time to begin with and that's not getting better.

So now I'm sitting here with a silly number of miniatures across the entire line and looking at the long road toward liquidation. I'm still going to keep back some of the stuff, probably the GK (which I started when the codex was still Demonhunters) and the Primaris marines I've bought over the last three months or so because I enjoy painting them, but that leaves me with a huge pile of Nids, Dark Angels, and at least a decent half of my IG to ebay/trade. It's kind of a daunting process.

Anyone else in the same boat or has been recently? What keeps you focused on getting rid of stuff?

I think the typical response to this type of thread would be: bye, can I have your stuff?

But I think a more constructive response would be: take a break. Let the meta settle while painting your junk. The rapidly changing environment is probably what is causing the most stress.

Just keep your stuff in storage. You won't get great value for it now, and there's a good chance you'll come back to the game later.

I stopped playing for almost a decade from 2009 to 2017 because of school and life pressures. Happy I still had all my old stuff when I got to playing again.

In place of 40k, I hope you are able to spend your time doing something you love/that brings you joy and satisfaction. Don’t know anything about you, but taking the opportunity to be a healthier person would probably be very rewarding. Again, just a thought, not to be meant as a judgment or insult. Most of us could do with a bit more thought toward our health.

Yep my local community has been gutted by 8th for various reasons, I’m lucky that my job lets me travel extensively so I can still get pick up games in various clubs or warhammer world.

There are a few things still that may bring them back though, battlefleet gothic/heresy, possible epic return and they are starting to get into the idea of inquisimunda, here’s hoping.

As someone who really enjoys Grey Knights, I understand the feeling. If they were my primary army, i would quit too. There is no hope for GK in 8th edition, period, unless they get a brand new codex which completely squats the old one. Since that's very unlikely, it's time to move on, either from the army, or from 40k.

At the end of the day balance is a real problem in this edition. Whether people acknowledge it or not.

I'm getting into Star Wars: Destiny, personally. Still get to collect something, still get to roll dice, and use my grey matter to do stuff and make things go pew pew or slash slash.

I stopped playing for like 5 years but I'm a sentimental fart and couldn't part with my armies because they remind me of my very early 20s when I really got into it with my best friend. All my armies date to back then. My original nercon models even have "veteran" markings to distinguish the Oldcrons from the new.

Glad I didn't sell my stuff as I'm.back into the game in a big way so the same might come around again.

Purifying Tempest wrote:
I think the typical response to this type of thread would be: bye, can I have your stuff?

That's probably the typical response, yeah. And my answer is that I'd need to catalogue what all I have, but I'd give you a bulk rate discount if you took it all.

But I think a more constructive response would be: take a break. Let the meta settle while painting your junk. The rapidly changing environment is probably what is causing the most stress.

That's the good response, but that's what we all said for 7th. I dunno. The difference was then that there was a lot of frustrations across the board back then. Now it's basically just apathy. I think I'm going to keep the stuff that I actually care about, but I don't see myself getting back into it again at this point if the group is collectively done too.

For me warhammer is like chinese food.

Some times I only want to eat it, and I spend 6-8 months eating chinese food like, 3-4 times a week.

But then I just don't want it more, and I can spend the next 3-5 years without ever eating it again.

And then I just want to do it again. I think many people see a hobby as, I don't know, an everlasting add-on to their lives. Thats not how life works! You just do what you feel like doing in a specific time-frame. Nothing is eternal, and nothing barring death and mutilation is definitive. I have also come back to 8th after a 10 years break and I'm loving it.

I find enjoyment in using models I havent before. If I stick with a single list I find I lose interest more.

I'll take any Space Marines or Necrons.

Seriously though just take a break and remember I'll take any bitz I can.

Seriously. Definitely take a break. I know I'm going to for a short period of time.

Take a break, don't sell.

Compared to the time you have invested in your collection, the money you will get for it is absolutely laughable.

What is 'your group' may change in the future. I'm talking about a decade or so here.

Purifying Tempest wrote:
I think the typical response to this type of thread would be: bye, can I have your stuff?

A fellow Eve player perhaps?

You could always try going back to 6th edition and house rules.

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Bye!

Can I have your stuff Please?

Purifying Tempest wrote:
I think the typical response to this type of thread would be: bye, can I have your stuff?

But I think a more constructive response would be: take a break. Let the meta settle while painting your junk. The rapidly changing environment is probably what is causing the most stress.

Lol basically this, plus "see you in a couple years". I've quit the hobby before too, and eventually I get reeled back in, this is one of those hobbies people revisit because it's easy to do so.

Personally im liquidating chunks of my stuff, but its for different reasons.

I greatly enjoy this edition, my group has grown siginificantly and am enjoying all these new models and painting and playing.

but holy gak i have too much stuff so im culling anything i dont use or want anymore.

its good for the soul on occasion.

just keep a hand full of the good stuff (limited, conversions, big ticket items) and sell anything else if you truly wont be using them. you arent going to get your money back but i think it can be worth it just to focus down a hording addiction/collection problem.

There's a difference between a single person losing interest in the game, and a whole group/club/community losing interest in the game. Reading the OP's full post, it sounds like now isn't a good time for 40k for his whole group, and while the direction of 8th hasn't helped, it probably isn't why people are losing interest. If people are building careers or starting families or just exploring other hobbies, it's tough.

It also sounds like you're not just done with the game, but also the hobby. That's a big difference, as some people happily collect and paint armies regardless of if they are playing. In a situation like that, you need to take stock of where you are.

The generic advice is to no sell fully painted armies. The idea being that you rarely get enough for them to make back the time and effort investment, while having a painted force makes jumping back in relatively simple. It sounds like you've thought through what you want to keep in storage (GK) and what you want to keep to work on (Primaris) and have decided to sell the rest. To me, it sounds like you've made a solid realization, and have a good plan for extricating yourself from the hobby.

My only advice would be to slow roll selling stuff off, especially if you have a lot of it. unless you need the money, sell over a few months, and start with the stuff you want the least. It can be super tempting to fire sale everything, but I'd really advise against it.

No, 40k is doing fairly well out here.

 meleti wrote:
No, 40k is doing fairly well out here.

Yep, sorry to hear for OP. It's doing incredibly well here. I think the attitude of the group's alpha drives whether or not it will succeed.

I love my Space Wolves too much to sell, i know i will regret it. Allthough this edition have been nothing but a big letdown ejoymentwise for me personally, so i can defently relate to your frustration. I hope you are sure you are making the right decision, selling is easy, but getting them back, or investing the same amount of love is hard.
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 Brutallica wrote:
I love my Space Wolves too much to sell, i know i will regret it. Allthough this edition have been nothing but a big letdown ejoymentwise for me personally, so i can defently relate to your frustration. I hope you are sure you are making the right decision, selling is easy, but getting them back, or investing the same amount of love is hard.
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At least wait for a codex to be released is what I would recommend

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Brutallica wrote:
I love my Space Wolves too much to sell, i know i will regret it. Allthough this edition have been nothing but a big letdown ejoymentwise for me personally, so i can defently relate to your frustration. I hope you are sure you are making the right decision, selling is easy, but getting them back, or investing the same amount of love is hard.
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At least wait for a codex to be released is what I would recommend

I have no hopes, i invested big on Wolves in 7th because they were awsome army in close combat, with the core rules being as they are i dont see a codex changeing that issue. Hope im wrong.

40K seems to be doing super well at my LGS. The store has never been so empty of product. Stuff flies off the shelves.
Even though I haven't played as much as I would like, 8th is my favorite edition so far.

If you're not enjoying matched play tournament mode games where you use the rules for organized play even when you're not playing at an event, why not try the rest of what's in the main rulebook?

Open War cards and the three scenarios in the Open Play section of the main rulebook are excellent. And there's load of neat content in the Narrative sections of both the rulebook and Chapter Approved 2017.

Seems like not enjoying one narrow way to play the game causing you to quit is like throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Seems like the last time the group quit with tuadar / formations you were also let down by a tournament mindset being the norm in the group.

I love this edition. 6th and 7th were the worst ever IMO.

 Asmodai wrote:
Just keep your stuff in storage. You won't get great value for it now, and there's a good chance you'll come back to the game later.

I stopped playing for almost a decade from 2009 to 2017 because of school and life pressures. Happy I still had all my old stuff when I got to playing again.

Thats pretty much what happened to me. Took a break from the game around the beginning of 5th because life wouldn't let me play. I picked it back up in the end of 7th(never played, just dusted them off and painted everything). Started playing in 8th, now I'm so deep in models again it's silly.

It's the same for every game for me. I've done it with M:TG many times. Relax and paint some stuff without having to worry about playing. It makes painting funner.

I’d suggest hanging on for a year to the minis. If you still feel the same after that, it would be good time to dump it.

You might also want to consider going back to the ruleset(s) you did enjoy. There’s no rule saying you have to keep up with GW’s money-laundering attempts. Play what you and your friends enjoy, not what GW wants you to keep up with.

My son and I are still using the Indexes (though we added the card packs), and I don’t expect we’ll do more than add models. I’m not even interested in the likes of Chapter Approved or any FAQs. If we have a problem, we’ll find some way to iron iit out ourselves, and not look to Mount Nottinham for answers we probably won’t agree with anyways.

Reading the OP, it sounds like the group just had kind of a natural cycle of lack of interest. That's okay, we've all lost interest in activities and whatnot.

That all being said: if one very specific and OP combination of units (like Taudar) or formations was enough to make people lose interest, it probably wasn't there much to begin with.

I'm a little confused by that response, especially from GK players.

I mean, yeah, I get that the whole alpha strike thing is nerfed.......for one whole turn.

From turn 2 onward, the new deep strike rules are still objectively better than 7th. And in the specific case of GKs (and orks), there's still psychic powers to DS a unit.

Before dumping all your minis, take all your stuff, go over to One Page Rules and download Grindark Future and all the army Codexes. Fun, rules light version of 40k without all the bullgak. And there's a skirmish level version using the same rules, and everything's free. Ansolutely great fun if you can get a couple opponents to play with.

It has seen a resurgence of gaming with my buddies and me, when we have all been drivting away from 40k buts still own tons of minis that we are loathe to get rid of.

Plus there's a not-Age of Sigmar version, too.

However disheartened i get by 40k the lore of it all always pulls me back in.

maybe you need a good narrative game/campaign

I am in the same boat OP, finding less and less enjoyment with this brand of the hobby. I finally collected my dream armies from 3rd edition I could never afford as a kid... But going down to the local store for weekly games of 40k just feels like more of a chore than something fun to do. It takes a lot of mental effort to work up the willpower just to get building a few models here and there, and painting? Naw, at this point it isn't happening. I don't know what it is, but 40k just doesn't seem to be doing it for me right now. After this weekend's games I am probably going to be taking a break from the game until I get a look at Chapter Approved: 2018, in the hope of the game looking like it may be fun to me again.

In the mean time, now that some Warmachine players have moved into town, think I will go going that route again. I loved the game in Mk.I & Mk.II, we just didn't have anybody in my little town I moved to that plays. My excitement for that brand of the hobby is still strong, and Kings of War looks like tons of fun.

So, keep your favorite stuff, take a break, and hopefully your enjoyment of the hobby comes back!

Nothing is stopping you going back to Index only games if that what your group enjoyed. You own and have paid for this stuff so use it instead of Codexes.

Hey guys. Life is not a wish concert.
40k costs your time, it costs your money, it costs your life (wife).
You cant just quit.
We need your insight here at Dakka for remaining a vital gaming community.

It sounds more like a specific feeling of your group than something to do with the game. If I were you I'd keep my stuff in case/when the bug takes you again.

In my area the groups have roughly doubled since 8th and continue to show signs of growing.

Take a breath. Go for a run. Gain perspective.

Start a new army!

TangoTwoBravo wrote:
Take a breath. Go for a run. Gain perspective.

Start a new army!

Yeah.

Either reinforce your AM army. It cant be beaten anyway.
Or start something fresh which cant win anyway.

I'm doing the same. My Eldar is hard to beat.
But my Harlies (had about 25 old Harlie metal models around) are in another boat.

Yeah! Don't throw anything away! Make sur etomgive it all to me! Or ebay it! Seriously, I did this to my DA a year or so ago and it was awesome! I got about £200+ out of the army i spent less money on and used that money to just take a break.

My advice would be if you have any particular models/armies you really love keep those, and sell off the rest. You might come back to the game, or maybe play old edition rules with a bud, or you might not. Life throws a lot of changes at you and what you do with your "free" time should be something you enjoy.

I find that the enjoyment you get out of 40k entirely depends on the way you approach it with the group you surround yourself with. In my area, we've got a large community, fairly casual, with huge army variety and a great willingness to try a variety of wacky, custom things (We played a whole Shadow War campaign, mini 1000pts tournaments, team tournaments near the start of 8th, narrative campaigns) and that always helps keep things fresh. So while I myself am getting married in a few months, one of our officers is a semi-pro athlete, one of them is a father of two and the other is just about to have his first kid, the community keeps us coming back to 40k week after week.

I respect that in a place where I wouldn't have that, I'd be far less passionate about the hobby. If I couldn't just decide I needed two weeks off from thinking about "the competitive meta" and PM a buddy to create a completely custom narrative scenario.

If you don't have time for it, take a break. I don't think it's a bad thing to liquidate some of your side armies if they're not doing it for you anymore (2/3 of my first three armies are long gone) - it allows you to experience the fun of collecting and painting again if you do ever get back into it.

Yeah I stopped playing after 4months none of my armies have a codex and I was getting obliterated as a result it was no fun.

Since then every change they announce just proves I was right to do so this edition is degrading faster than any other I've played.

I've been in that same boat for many years now. The direction that my community, or the whole "wargaming community" in general has made a hard departure from the things that excite me about the hobby and its hard to stay enthused in an activity where the things that pulled you into it are no longer a presence.

Weird attitude that when you eventually become a adult you're meant to stop wargaming?

I have friends with 2-3 kids who still hobby when they can and make my local games club once a week.

I think it is less that and more that it becomes harder to find the time. I used to game once a week pre-kids, now I'm lucky to get once a month as other things have taken priority. I've seen people stop having time all together. It just varies by the person and situation how much time you have for "trivial" pursuits once you have a family.

I quit and regretted it. I jumped ship beginning of 6th, when the whole 2++ rerollable death star darkelfdar were rolling around and getting beat at tournaments by scrubs.

Instead of sucking it up, taking a break, and riding it out, I sold all my armies for about 1/4 of what I paid for them (not including the time spent painting them). I then hopped over to Warmachine, which was a good time waster, but again... a tournament came, a dude cheated blatantly and the T.O. told me tough cookies. I sold my stuff and got out of wargaming for 3 years until recently.

Nothing quite fills that void like 40k. I love the fluff and the models, and while GW works on the rules, its still a fantastic game. Even if you do take a break for a year or two, DO NOT CLEAR ALL YOUR STUFF! You will regret it. I did.

 Galas wrote:
For me warhammer is like chinese food.

Some times I only want to eat it, and I spend 6-8 months eating chinese food like, 3-4 times a week.

But then I just don't want it more, and I can spend the next 3-5 years without ever eating it again.

I had no idea anyone else did this

HuskyWarhammer wrote:
Reading the OP, it sounds like the group just had kind of a natural cycle of lack of interest. That's okay, we've all lost interest in activities and whatnot.

That all being said: if one very specific and OP combination of units (like Taudar) or formations was enough to make people lose interest, it probably wasn't there much to begin with.

My thoughts exactly. It doesn't take much to break up a hobby group, particularly if the interest is not strong. I know nothing could shake my love for little plastic models!


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 Galas wrote:
For me warhammer is like chinese food.

Some times I only want to eat it, and I spend 6-8 months eating chinese food like, 3-4 times a week.

But then I just don't want it more, and I can spend the next 3-5 years without ever eating it again.

I had no idea anyone else did this

I do this too. In my circle, we call it 'samefooding'. It's frowned upon by the majority of society (because they don't understand it, I guess), but screw them. Do what makes you happy.


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 AaronWilson wrote:
Weird attitude that when you eventually become a adult you're meant to stop wargaming?

I have friends with 2-3 kids who still hobby when they can and make my local games club once a week.

I have come to accept, as a non-breeder, that when people have kids, I pretty much lose them as friends, because their life suddenly revolves around their kids and they no longer 'have time' for their friends. If they don't care enough about me enough to make time, then feth them. I also find it rather sad that people throw away all the things that made them happy in order to have kids. No wonder 'mid-life crises' are so common - it's probably due to people having zero fun for 18 years, then suddenly thinking, 'damn, I used to have all these fun hobbies - what happened to them?'
I have one friend who already had a child when he started gaming, and he and his wife are fairly old, so I am pretty sure he's a keeper. He has learned to mix the family with the hobbies.

 corpuschain wrote:

HuskyWarhammer wrote:
Reading the OP, it sounds like the group just had kind of a natural cycle of lack of interest. That's okay, we've all lost interest in activities and whatnot.

That all being said: if one very specific and OP combination of units (like Taudar) or formations was enough to make people lose interest, it probably wasn't there much to begin with.

My thoughts exactly. It doesn't take much to break up a hobby group, particularly if the interest is not strong. I know nothing could shake my love for little plastic models!


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 Galas wrote:
For me warhammer is like chinese food.

Some times I only want to eat it, and I spend 6-8 months eating chinese food like, 3-4 times a week.

But then I just don't want it more, and I can spend the next 3-5 years without ever eating it again.

I had no idea anyone else did this

I do this too. In my circle, we call it 'samefooding'. It's frowned upon by the majority of society (because they don't understand it, I guess), but screw them. Do what makes you happy.


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 AaronWilson wrote:
Weird attitude that when you eventually become a adult you're meant to stop wargaming?

I have friends with 2-3 kids who still hobby when they can and make my local games club once a week.

I have come to accept, as a non-breeder, that when people have kids, I pretty much lose them as friends, because their life suddenly revolves around their kids and they no longer 'have time' for their friends. If they don't care enough about me enough to make time, then feth them. I also find it rather sad that people throw away all the things that made them happy in order to have kids. No wonder 'mid-life crises' are so common - it's probably due to people having zero fun for 18 years, then suddenly thinking, 'damn, I used to have all these fun hobbies - what happened to them?'
I have one friend who already had a child when he started gaming, and he and his wife are fairly old, so I am pretty sure he's a keeper. He has learned to mix the family with the hobbies.

Well, with that attitude, I can see that they're probably better off focusing on their family. After all, they already have a crying baby to contend with, why would they want to make time to deal with a second one?

Keep your stuff. Never know when you might want to dust them off again even if it's to play older editions or the odd kill team game etc... I completely understand your frustration followed by apathy. I'm an ork collecter, 7th edition let me down. So far I've completely avoided 8th edition to see how it would work out for orks. Since there is still nothing for orks I have continued to not pay a single penny this edition. It's possible I'll be skipping this edition with the way it's looking. But I'm keeping my stuff. Never know.

I will, however, thank GW for their piss poor rules team. If it weren't for them pushing me away from 40k I wouldn't have gone outside to learn the joy of golfing.

This is a hobby, regardless of how time intensive it may be (and obviously money intensive as plenty o' hobbies are). When it stops being fun, ditch it.

No one is saying you have to sell off all your stuff, etc. Put it away for six months, and if you feel the same then, ditch it and move on with other things in your life.

I have the "should I sell all my miniatures?" feels about four or five times a year, and one of these days I'll give in. However I design and sell games, and host a lot of them, so it's a bit more difficult for me. It's no big crime to leave, or quit. It's just a game of toy soldiers. The 40K "community" as it were, will be around for a long time.

Move on and find something else that makes you happy.

Thanks for all the comments. I'm surprised there's not more people in the same boat, but I'm glad things are working out well elsewhere at least.

I think Polonius hit the nail on the head. I'm definitely going to keep some of my stuff. The stuff I've spent the most time / effort on is going to stick around. I also just enjoy painting, even if I'm not great at it. Just something calming about the process. The slow roll is a great idea because I really just want the space more than I need the money. I'm pretty sure I'm done for real, but I'd rather have a toolbox of Grey Knights taking up a corner of a shelf than have to start an army over again if I'm wrong.

My comment about "figuring out what it means to be an adult" was kind of a dig at the people I know having children, but also more a commentary on the recognition that there's only so much time in the day, and so you have to accept that there's not time enough to focus on all the things you'd like to do, and instead double down on the things that you want to prioritize. For some people, that's children. For one of our guys, it's travelling with his wife in their camper. For me, it's kind of becoming backpacking and my half-finished programming projects. I'm also interested in picking up Infinity, so I don't imagine I'm just going to walk away from wargaming altogether. Just 40k.

IMO even taking the time to make this post shows you're not 100% ready to quit and that really you want something to pull you back in. If I were you id buy a display case and put the stuff in your room or living room. You could always come back to it later or sell it and honestly they are great conversation starters and people that don't play are usually very intrigued seeing them. I was crushed when WHFB died but I'm glad I still have my goblins set up in my room, it's definitely better than the few hundred dollars I would have gotten for all the hard work I put into them

Honestly, I used to play an Imperial Fist army back in the day when Rapid Fire meant you could stand still and shoot once up to 24" or fire twice within 12" but you couldn't assault aftwards, which basically made any troops with Boltguns able to fire once, maybe twice in a game if your opponent was slow and in a convenient LOS, which was rare. It was HUGELY frustrating, especially since the one friend I had into the game was very good and fielded Eldar.

With that one simple change I was getting back into things with gusto, and the changes to vehicles, especially Dreadnoughts who no longer just get one shot all the time, still make me happy. Balance is a never ending argument, with all sides having legit beefs, so I'm still happy.

Your army, assembled and painted, is probably worth at least 2x NIB prices to *you*. At least as long as you're interested in the game.

Your army, assembled and painted, is probably worth at most 1/4 NIB prices to anyone else. With variance based on artistry.

So you might recoup a quarter of what you spent on it. But if you ever get into the game again, you're down at least 3/4 of the cost to re-buy the stuff. Nearly double the cost in actual value lost.

The stuff is worth so much more to you than whomever you'll be selling to that it's really risky to sell. Even if there's only a 10% chance you'll get into the hobby again, probably not worth selling.

(Also, note that the relapse rate for those overcomming plastic crack addition is very high.)

 daedalus wrote:
Thanks for all the comments. I'm surprised there's not more people in the same boat, but I'm glad things are working out well elsewhere at least.

Just 40k.

How can we miss you if you won't go away?

I took a break for two full editions (6th/7th). While storing and moving everything was a pain now that I am playing again I have no regrets about holding onto everything.

I think for most adults though, 40K is not expensive (expensive does not equate to poorly priced), but rather the time and effort involved in gathering/building/painting an army.

40K is perhaps expensive when we're talking about high schoolers and poor college kids, but to a normal adult, 40K by comparison, is an incredibly cheap hobby - other hobbies consuming far more money. I don't think someone needs to be particularly worried about recouping cost of selling off models. The sting will be if you regret it three months from now. But five or six years down the road, the money lost will be trivial at best.

Lemondish wrote:

 corpuschain wrote:

HuskyWarhammer wrote:
Reading the OP, it sounds like the group just had kind of a natural cycle of lack of interest. That's okay, we've all lost interest in activities and whatnot.

That all being said: if one very specific and OP combination of units (like Taudar) or formations was enough to make people lose interest, it probably wasn't there much to begin with.

My thoughts exactly. It doesn't take much to break up a hobby group, particularly if the interest is not strong. I know nothing could shake my love for little plastic models!


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 Galas wrote:
For me warhammer is like chinese food.

Some times I only want to eat it, and I spend 6-8 months eating chinese food like, 3-4 times a week.

But then I just don't want it more, and I can spend the next 3-5 years without ever eating it again.

I had no idea anyone else did this

I do this too. In my circle, we call it 'samefooding'. It's frowned upon by the majority of society (because they don't understand it, I guess), but screw them. Do what makes you happy.


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 AaronWilson wrote:
Weird attitude that when you eventually become a adult you're meant to stop wargaming?

I have friends with 2-3 kids who still hobby when they can and make my local games club once a week.

I have come to accept, as a non-breeder, that when people have kids, I pretty much lose them as friends, because their life suddenly revolves around their kids and they no longer 'have time' for their friends. If they don't care enough about me enough to make time, then feth them. I also find it rather sad that people throw away all the things that made them happy in order to have kids. No wonder 'mid-life crises' are so common - it's probably due to people having zero fun for 18 years, then suddenly thinking, 'damn, I used to have all these fun hobbies - what happened to them?'
I have one friend who already had a child when he started gaming, and he and his wife are fairly old, so I am pretty sure he's a keeper. He has learned to mix the family with the hobbies.

Well, with that attitude, I can see that they're probably better off focusing on their family. After all, they already have a crying baby to contend with, why would they want to make time to deal with a second one?

Hahaha, exalted.

My fantasy gaming group imploded the same way when A0S dropped.

My 40k group imploded the same way after 8th dropped.

The games became too basic ("is 40k a card game with minis now?) and turned off every wargamer I've played with.

It had nothing to do with life or availability. Both game systems became exceptionally crappy and everyone in BOTH my gaming groups dropped everything GW.

Purifying Tempest wrote:
I think the typical response to this type of thread would be: bye, can I have your stuff?

Damn, beat me to it.

 AaronWilson wrote:
Weird attitude that when you eventually become a adult you're meant to stop wargaming?

I have friends with 2-3 kids who still hobby when they can and make my local games club once a week.

It's really difficult for the period of time when they're babies until they go to school. Unless you're an unsupportive spouse. Then it's super easy!

I feel like it’s less about the Edition and FAQs and more about having a group that’s good with casual play. I get that it would be discouraging to play Index Orks against an Eldar Codex Tournament list. But it can be perfectly fun to play Index Orks against a casual Eldar Codex list - with some narrative mission. I guess I’m fortunate that the folks I play with are friends first and gamers second.

Thats pretty much dead on. Your environment dictates a lot. If you are in a competitive area where everyone wants to run like they are iin the LVO and Adepticon 24/7 you're going to have a bad tiime.

8th edition has brought me and my friends back to 40k and we are all enjoying it immensely.

Our FLGs are growing and expanding, especially the one we favor. A new one just opened up as well.

We are having a ton of fun, really enjoying the new rules and lore.

It is sad my Space Wolves don't have a Codex yet but I manage.. because I like the army/lore/setting and everything to do with 40k pretty much.

I've given 8th a fair shake and every game just feels dull and clunky without a lot of the charm and decision making that took place in 7th. Going back and playing 7th is always a blast and results in fun games but every game of 8th just feels meh. Doesn't help that most of my preferred playstyles are non existent or useless in 8th but even when things go well the motions of playing 8th just isn't fun for me.

That being said I hope that maybe GW will turn things around and make the game less... tedious and face rolly. Short term I'm looking forward to the new Kill Team as I hope it will scratch that in depth tactical itch that 8th fails to sate.

 Vankraken wrote:
I've given 8th a fair shake and every game just feels dull and clunky without a lot of the charm and decision making that took place in 7th. Going back and playing 7th is always a blast and results in fun games but every game of 8th just feels meh. Doesn't help that most of my preferred playstyles are non existent or useless in 8th but even when things go well the motions of playing 8th just isn't fun for me.

Same here. Luckily, my friends enjoy 7th too and so we've stuck to it. It also allows me to build up a collection of 7th codices without having to pay new prices! The only problem is trying to include new models that didn't have rules before 8th, but I reckon we'll be able to convert them over to 7th without too much argument.

Honestly, the thing keeping me out of 8th is the Primaris Marines, and I heard flamers do not use templates. I don't even want to ask how big artillery guns work.

But, I would hold on to some of your stuff. No sense in dumping it all, you will likely end up trying to buy some stuff back. I still have 3rd edition stuff. Including a mint unplayed set. The last box set I bought was 6th (I saw no reason to buy 7th). I keep them on hand because the starter set ready to go so if I have a friend or family member I can pin down to play, I have everything we need. But I made the mistake of unloading 40k 2nd edition, as well as most of my Epic stuff at one point. and guess what? I ended up buying it all back on eBay for much more.

But the hobby or painting and building are still there. Unless you aren't into that part of it.

 KTG17 wrote:
Honestly, the thing keeping me out of 8th is the Primaris Marines, and I heard flamers do not use templates. I don't even want to ask how big artillery guns work.

But, I would hold on to some of your stuff. No sense in dumping it all, you will likely end up trying to buy some stuff back. I still have 3rd edition stuff. Including a mint unplayed set. The last box set I bought was 6th (I saw no reason to buy 7th). I keep them on hand because the starter set ready to go so if I have a friend or family member I can pin down to play, I have everything we need. But I made the mistake of unloading 40k 2nd edition, as well as most of my Epic stuff at one point. and guess what? I ended up buying it all back on eBay for much more.

But the hobby or painting and building are still there. Unless you aren't into that part of it.

At least in my area, nearly all the marine players soundly rejected primaris (some on fluff grounds, others after learning they don't have any customization and have to buy the ludicrously expensive transport thing and can't use any of the rhinos the players already owned). Since launch, I've played against an army of them once, and they were just kind of "marines but more boring."

All previously template weapons just fire a random number of shots. Usually, 1D6 if it was a large blast, 1D3 if it was a small blast, 1D6 that auto-hits if it was a flamer template. initially I didn't like it, but it grew on me after the first time I played against an IG player with 2 wyverns and he went

"wyvern firing at this unit"

*Rolls for shots*

Me: "Wait, you don't have to come over to this side of the board? You don't have to roll, then re-roll, then flip the template, then have me hold it, then argue with me about how many models are under it, then do that four more times? We just...keep playing the game?"

When I play sillier games, my opponents and I will often substitute templates back in for old times sake. Just use the guideline of D6 - pie plate D3 - cupcake and you can pretty much use them as you used to.

So..... Can I have your DA stuff?

the_scotsman wrote:
All previously template weapons just fire a random number of shots. Usually, 1D6 if it was a large blast, 1D3 if it was a small blast, 1D6 that auto-hits if it was a flamer template. initially I didn't like it, but it grew on me after the first time I played against an IG player with 2 wyverns and he went

"wyvern firing at this unit"

*Rolls for shots*

Me: "Wait, you don't have to come over to this side of the board? You don't have to roll, then re-roll, then flip the template, then have me hold it, then argue with me about how many models are under it, then do that four more times? We just...keep playing the game?"

When I play sillier games, my opponents and I will often substitute templates back in for old times sake. Just use the guideline of D6 - pie plate D3 - cupcake and you can pretty much use them as you used to.

Ah, well this doesn't sound too bad then. But I guess this means you have to focus on a single unit or model then, as opposed to a couple if they were in close proximity?

But the Primaris Marines keep me from buying any of the starter sets. And I always start from there.

Some times old blast weapons they have this kind of wording:

d3 attacks. If the target unit has 5/10 models or more, roll d6 attacks instead.

 KTG17 wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:
All previously template weapons just fire a random number of shots. Usually, 1D6 if it was a large blast, 1D3 if it was a small blast, 1D6 that auto-hits if it was a flamer template. initially I didn't like it, but it grew on me after the first time I played against an IG player with 2 wyverns and he went

"wyvern firing at this unit"

*Rolls for shots*

Me: "Wait, you don't have to come over to this side of the board? You don't have to roll, then re-roll, then flip the template, then have me hold it, then argue with me about how many models are under it, then do that four more times? We just...keep playing the game?"

When I play sillier games, my opponents and I will often substitute templates back in for old times sake. Just use the guideline of D6 - pie plate D3 - cupcake and you can pretty much use them as you used to.

Ah, well this doesn't sound too bad then. But I guess this means you have to focus on a single unit or model then, as opposed to a couple if they were in close proximity?

But the Primaris Marines keep me from buying any of the starter sets. And I always start from there.

It does. It essentially eliminates the micro surrounding template weaponry. In general, shooting in 8th requires far less micro, melee requires far more. For me, it's a trade-off, since I play both in most of my armies, and in my experience outside of flamer templates most of the micro involved with blast weaponry was mitigated by the randomness of the weapons. But for pretty much anyone I've introed with 8th - if they express sadness that templates are gone, I just say "so, do you want to just play with them then?" Nothing about the core mechanics of 8th is incompatible with old templates/scatter dice, unlike vehicle facings which really dont work in 8th.

Start Collecting sets exist for most factions now, with full sprues instead of monopose. They come with all the rules for the miniatures inside besides the point values. The core rules are also free, if you just want to play smaller games/custom missions. I don't like the starter box either (haven't liked them since Black Reach with its super-ork value) but it's pretty unnecessary as a first purchase.

Purifying Tempest wrote:
Let the meta settle while painting your junk.

I don't want to hear about anyone painting their junk.

Play Infinity! Less than twenty models necessary and a very immersive rules set with a living wiki and army builder!

Much more tactical game as well. Gun lines don't exist.

I quit in HS/College. Then came back in a big way in my late 30s early 40s. My recommendation would be chuck everything in a storage tote that's easy to move without the foam and other BS. Give away your codexes/indexes/rulebook and put the tote in storage. You arent going to get anything near what you paid for the plasti-crack. So don't bother unless you need the space. If you do, sell it all at once and don't look back.

 KTG17 wrote:
But the Primaris Marines keep me from buying any of the starter sets. And I always start from there.

Forgebane has zero Primaris in it.

 doktor_g wrote:
I quit in HS/College. Then came back in a big way in my late 30s early 40s. My recommendation would be chuck everything in a storage tote that's easy to move without the foam and other BS. Give away your codexes/indexes/rulebook and put the tote in storage. You arent going to get anything near what you paid for the plasti-crack. So don't bother unless you need the space. If you do, sell it all at once and don't look back.

Yeah put all of your DA stuff in the same tote in your storage and sell it to me and don't look back.

Yeah I'm in the same boat as some of the other posters here.

I got into GW stuff in my early to mid teens. In my early 20s, most of my nerd stuff sat in my parents' basement. In my 30s I slowly repatriated it in sets based on my own rekindling interest (and my mothers insistence lol).

Now in my 40s my interest and time investment is really gathering speed even with a kid and a full adult life otherwise.

My suggestion to the OP is to consider keeping it all if it's low impact for you (i.e. you don't need the cash and you have a convenient place to store them), but if not consider keeping the figures that you think are the coolest and have you have the most emotional investment in (especially if they're painted).

You might find that in a decade you'll get back in and wish you had your old models. In the meantime, there's no harm in putting the hobby down and walking away.

I left the game in the 90's, my models lived in a carrier bag for over 20 years. Brought them out a year ago and showed my kids, we had fun sticking them back together and now I'm playing again. The old models turn heads at the FLGS and now I'm being regularly tabled by my Necron loving offspring (they didn't exist when I stopped! Necrons that is, not offspring obvs). Have a break, keep the kit, come back if you want, but the models will only be cooler when you do!

 auticus wrote:
Thats pretty much dead on. Your environment dictates a lot. If you are in a competitive area where everyone wants to run like they are iin the LVO and Adepticon 24/7 you're going to have a bad tiime.

Actually what he really said is friends first gamers second. I play with friends and all we do is bring the most competitive lists we can. And it's damn fun. So long as everyone's shooting toward the same goal, you're gonna have a good time.

 hollow one wrote:

 auticus wrote:
Thats pretty much dead on. Your environment dictates a lot. If you are in a competitive area where everyone wants to run like they are iin the LVO and Adepticon 24/7 you're going to have a bad tiime.

Actually what he really said is friends first gamers second. I play with friends and all we do is bring the most competitive lists we can. And it's damn fun. So long as everyone's shooting toward the same goal, you're gonna have a good time.

Exalted. Some people have a mutual understanding to bring the best stuff to destroy one another.

 KTG17 wrote:
Honestly, the thing keeping me out of 8th is the Primaris Marines...

But the Primaris Marines keep me from buying any of the starter sets. And I always start from there.

You're choosing a very odd hill to fight and die on if this is the only thing that's truly whats holding you back from 8th.

I think I read it somewhere in the post. My feelings are lost to time with this game system. I have been involved since1988 and tried to keep pace along the way. I fell out around 6th or 7th ed. I have accumulated/ collected a lot of miniatures and will hand them off to my offspring and their offspring. I enjoyed playing until apocalypse came along. I enjoyed the smaller sized games and still use bits of GW miniatures for better focused Skirmish games. I will still get the random GWkit because I like them but WH40K is a smoldering ruin, just like Cadia and their fluff. In closing long live the Red Corsairs!

I came back to the hobby after a 16 year break. So glad to have kept most of my old stuff. Can you imagine my surprise to find out that not only was my old faction still around, but it was winning tournaments? Dark Reapers/Guardians/Rangers/Wave Serpents were dope back in 3rd as well. All I had to do was pick up Yvraine and was well on my way to stomping everyone around me at the beginning of 8th. Yeah a lot of it comes down to luck, but having some painted armies lying around for when new editions release or when the meta shifts doesn't hurt.

IMO, take a break, but keep your stuff!

 Zontarz wrote:

 KTG17 wrote:
Honestly, the thing keeping me out of 8th is the Primaris Marines...

But the Primaris Marines keep me from buying any of the starter sets. And I always start from there.

You're choosing a very odd hill to fight and die on if this is the only thing that's truly whats holding you back from 8th.

This. I've been playing 8th Edition for 15 games now and since the launch of the edition I haven't seen a single Primaris on a table. Sure, there are Space Marine players, but most of those I know run them as a secondary army now (you know how it goes, you start 40k with Marines and eventually switch to something else) and simply bring their old models to the table.

Also Primaris do have some pretty nice looking models, even if there aren't many. Intercessors look much better than the old regular tacticals side by side IMO.

The fact that 8th has slowly just turned back into being just as bloated as 7th, while having fewer layers of tactical thought involved is a shame. But keep your stuff, take a break and I hope you come back to the hobby.

No need to quit completely. Figure out what era of 40K appealed to you the most, stick with that, and use the internet to find like minded opponents. If it can work for me playing 3rd Edition 40K and 6th Edition WFB, it can work for anyone.

 daedalus wrote:

Purifying Tempest wrote:
I think the typical response to this type of thread would be: bye, can I have your stuff?

That's probably the typical response, yeah. And my answer is that I'd need to catalogue what all I have, but I'd give you a bulk rate discount if you took it all.

But I think a more constructive response would be: take a break. Let the meta settle while painting your junk. The rapidly changing environment is probably what is causing the most stress.

That's the good response, but that's what we all said for 7th. I dunno. The difference was then that there was a lot of frustrations across the board back then. Now it's basically just apathy. I think I'm going to keep the stuff that I actually care about, but I don't see myself getting back into it again at this point if the group is collectively done too.

If you ever have kids, you might change your mind. I stopped playing at 24-25, now got back into it at 42 last year because I have 2 boys I can play with in a few years time.

 Aesthete wrote:
I got into GW stuff in my early to mid teens. In my early 20s, most of my nerd stuff sat in my parents' basement.

Now in my 40s my interest and time investment is really gathering speed even with a kid and a full adult life otherwise.

That would have been my story too, if I hadn't instructed my parents to give everything away while I was at uni

I quit actually playing the game many years ago, but I still love the modelling, the lore, and to a lesser extent, the painting.

@daedalusMade

I have been in a similar situation. In my case, I started in college, and ended up staying in the same city as the college, while my friends all moved back home. It was a college town in the south, and D&D was still thought to be the devil by a few, so locals were not really going to play. The younger groups were more into card games. Eventually the shop stopped ordering new GW stuff, and the owner would ask you to move for magic players if you were playing 40k.

Without anyone to play against, I lost motivation to do anything. About a year went by and I completely stopped painting. I set aside the minis I absolutely loved, a forgeworld model and some of my first plaguebearers. I put the rest on assorted swap sites. I went probably 4 or 5 years without anything to do with 40k aside from reading the horus heresy and 10 minis on my desk. Then I moved to a larger city and decided I wanted to meet some new people. That was almost exactly 5 years ago, my collection is massive, and I've made a ton of new friends.

If you don't want to unload your goods, then hold onto them, see if there is another shop, local facebook group or whatever to find another group to play with. Maybe just sit on your models for a bit, put them in a box and see if you get the itch to play again.

If you are dead set on selling, you have 2 options. Make decent money, but sell slow, could take months to unload the bulk of it. Or make a bit of cash and sell your collection as a whole, at like 60% off of MSRP, or less.

If you want to sell as bulk, let me know when you get some pics. It's a shame to hear that you no longer enjoy your hobby, I hope you find something else you enjoy even more.

Excuse me Sir, do you have a moment to talk about Our Savior of the mature player, Historical Gaming?

Hail Caesar, SAGA, Black Powder, Canvas Eagles, Bolt Action etc etc. So many games with better balance, a more relaxed atmosphere and models that don't suddenly become obsolete.



I've moved onto historical games in a big way (and board games) and haven't looked back. I've kept my Warhammer for the occasional beer and biscuits games (because I'm British) where the rules are treated as a sadly amusing curiosity and fun is the aim.