I’m sure you’ll guys can think of more ways Hollywood would feth it up.[img]
It seems to my The only reason anybody cares about such adaptations in the First place is because of obsessive fanboyism and the age-old insecurity issues of animation, comics, Tabletop games, fantasy books and video games- the asinine idea that they're not real art and need a big boy medium like Film to have their visions truly realized.
People like having mainstream success with something they like sometimes. Metalheads after all love when some obscure gak like Celtic Frost (though that's not terribly obscure) gets a name drop.
However, you are correct that any attempt for the most part wouldn't be accepted by most movie studios. To someone that isn't very intrigued by the fluff in the first place, they wouldn't understand the base of the setting and why everyone is a big meanie and nobody stands up to the bad bad Inquisition.
That's also why people get mad at the Space Wolves but that's a different discussion.
We'd have to get someone who has a history of making movies because they genuinely like the medium. I mean, can you imagine if Quentin Tarantino got his hands on the right to a 40k movie? It would be brutal, bloody, unapologetic in its darkness, and true to the medium. That would be a best case scenario of a faithful 40k film.
If we got a director like, for example, M. Night Shamalamalymalon... it would be such utter garbage that he'd probably turn it into a musical. Then again, seeing the Ultramarines dance around in a huge musical number would be downright hilarious.
I mean people want a Hollywood Horus Heresy movie not understanding that it well cost so much money it would cost so money
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Vitali Advenil wrote: We'd have to get someone who has a history of making movies because they genuinely like the medium. I mean, can you imagine if Quentin Tarantino got his hands on the right to a 40k movie? It would be brutal, bloody, unapologetic in its darkness, and true to the medium. That would be a best case scenario of a faithful 40k film.
If we got a director like, for example, M. Night Shamalamalymalon... it would be such utter garbage that he'd probably turn it into a musical. Then again, seeing the Ultramarines dance around in a huge musical number would be downright hilarious.
And it would Bomb so hard do you think the mainstream audience would be to a setting where the closest thing that aren’t the Taur to ‘hero’s’ that are basically space Nazi and would have a downer ending do you know how many successful Si-Fi over one hundred millions dollar movies have downer endings. You could probly count them on one hand
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I think it could be done if all the stars aligned and you got a solid production crew, a director who understood the setting, and proper marketing. The easiest way to get around some of the hardships of the universe is to focus around an Inquisition investigation into chaos. While the IOM is essentially catholic space nazi's , chaos would come off as worse to most people. From there you can rope in Space Marines for the big finale and have a few other faction cameos along the way.
That said, it would have to be animated, a live action adaptation would take way to much money to do correctly and a first time, niche franchise is not likely to get that level of support.
Do not want Hollywood, more like the CGI of first Dawn of War. Give use a narative that brings in the marines, chaos riseing because of government inability to push back the orks. Glorious space battle, then drop pod, music from startship troops. fight back the green tide, then seach the sewers of the hive for chaos and end it with blood thirty tansformation and fight. But thats just me.
The easiest way to make it work would be to just make an Eisenhorn movie. I don't think a 40k movie could ever happen though. The cost would be far greater than the potential audience could bear. Something like an animated series is about the most you could hope for.
And it would Bomb so hard do you think the mainstream audience would be to a setting where the closest thing that aren’t the Taur to ‘hero’s’ that are basically space Nazi and would have a downer ending do you know how many successful Si-Fi over one hundred millions dollar movies have downer endings.
Slayer-Fan123 wrote: People like having mainstream success with something they like sometimes.
This is the answer. 40k is a good gaming setting but a terrible IP for a movie, and desire for a movie has more to do with a desire for mainstream approval of their fandom than any realistic expectations for a quality movie.
I'm of the opinion 40k would work best as a netflix mini series. but you'd definatly need the right material, a buncha space marines fighting wouldn't work. IMHO the problem is a lotta people want a war movie, and oddly... that's not the best way to show off the setting
We have Dredd which is basically a 40k movie. It was pretty well received but didn't really make any money. It's very unlikely we'll get a true 40k movie on any big scale because they know it's not likely to be a massive success. If they did it they'd need the scale of the movie to be small too. They couldn't really do some massive scale war between the imperium and chaos. At least not without a lot of setup first. The most likely thing they could do is some sort of movie based around an inquisitor. It'd need to be pretty full on to fit the setting and I don't think it'd do well if they tried to play it off as a serious movie. So IMO the best idea if they were to make a movie is to go with the story of some inquisitor dealing with some Orks maybe throw in him begrudgingly siding with some Eldar out of necessity.
The problem is it's a niche setting and grimdark won't sell a movie. They'd either want to tone it down and turn it into a generic action movie or try and turn it into deadpool in space. Considering how they butchered the warcraft movie and its lore when they had a massive number of players if they did make a 40k movie it wouldn't be for the people who are already fans of the lore.
40K is a caricature of many Hollywood movies and tropes. Wouldn't be that hard to turn it into a movie as well. The difficult part would be to show the unique aspects of the setting.
Imo the best way to make 40k work in a video format, is some form of animation, ideally not full cgi, but something more stylised and 2d.
Secondly, you don't have to get the audience to like the governments of 40k, just one or two people within them.
Imo I would run an initial story told from the perspective of a group of rebels against a planetary governor, who don't really know about the wider galaxy, we get clues that this is the 40k universe, but nothing major, and we see the 'villains' worry about a tithe, that they cant provide as they begin to loose,
there are a few hints at chaos, but nothing concrete (with some form of maguffin).
After a while the rebellion reaches planetary scale and is on the cusp of victory, when it is severely put down by the imperiums military might, we see the subjugation.
During the closing epps of this 'season' we see some guardsmen, being unruly and about to execute some civilians, when a Marine (from either the SW or Salamanders) steps in an strongly disciplines the guardsmen (perhaps easily breaking an arm or 2).
We then later see one of the more militant (but with a heart of gold) rebels, do something epic and heroic, almost succeed, and then fail at the last moment due to the imperiums might, in the process though he is super lucky, and actually manages to kill a marine. As he is about to die, be very upset and curse himself that he wasn't strong enough. But have a chaplain see the whole thing.... cue this guys second season arc of becoming a marine.
We discover that one or more of the rebels was actually an agent of the inquisition, and one of our characters, who is either a psycher or a blank, is deemed useful. This persons second season arc just started, and we get a bunch more colourful characters in the form of an inquisitorial retinue.
The rest of our characters (minus a couple that had to die to get us more emotionally invested, as we are going for an en sable GOT feel), are conscripted to the guard, as the tithe that we were foreshadowed during the opening season.
One of these conscripts is clearly (to the audience) some form of cultist, but the concepts of chaos havn't been fully explained. And another of them has some how smuggled the maguffin aboard their ship, but doesn't really know of its real power is as just a pawn.
Season 2 can involve the corruption of some of the fleet during their transit to another place, the inquisitions attempts to route it out, it can flesh out chaos a little, along side this it can show our SM guy going through indoctrination and all of the other changes, while dealing with the hatred of the other aspirants, as a killer of an astartes.
I dunno where we go from there, ending up at a similar warzone to the characters home world could prove interesting, as they would have to deal with the idea of now being the oppressors, and this could further sow the seeds of chaos.
Bollywood 40k for the win, dem harlequins can DANCE!
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Vitali Advenil wrote: We'd have to get someone who has a history of making movies because they genuinely like the medium. I mean, can you imagine if Quentin Tarantino got his hands on the right to a 40k movie? It would be brutal, bloody, unapologetic in its darkness, and true to the medium. That would be a best case scenario of a faithful 40k film.
If we got a director like, for example, M. Night Shamalamalymalon... it would be such utter garbage that he'd probably turn it into a musical. Then again, seeing the Ultramarines dance around in a huge musical number would be downright hilarious.
I am still waiting for "Machete 3: In Space" from Quentin Tarantino. Wh40k would just be Machete in Space.
M. Night would use 3D all wrong and screw up a good story.
Personally I think it would lead itself better to a netflick series than a movie, but regardless, I imagine it will have to feature the imperium v chaos in some shape or form.
To stand under scrutiny of the fans it would need a production of the scale of the LOTR trilogy (imo). And if you ask me, it just ain't gonna happen. The best WH40k movie is the one that dies before the script even gets approved.
Honestly 40K would do fine in Hollywood. In fact it would do great with someone like Micheal Bay - yes yes I just wrote that and said that and ok maybe not him because he'd create an awkward teenage love story between a space marine and his highschool hot pornstar girlfriend...
But look at 40K its ideal for a no thinking action film. Some gothic architecture, big stompy robots, men in armoured suits and big guns that make huge explosions. You can cut the blood for an under 18 or throw in buckets of it in insane quantities.
A lot of people harp on about the grim-dark being too grim-dark but honestly a LOT of that is more in the fans minds than in the games and media GW releases. Heck take Dawn of War the computer game series. The first one is held up as a great gateway into the franchise and yet its really not all that grim-dark save for the world being torn apart by demons. Take that story and throw it onto Hollywood and it would do well.
The big risk with Hollywood is that they'd only focus on the explosions and that they would mess up even the simplest concept of the story. Eg they'd have you save the Emperor and return him to life or some such. Or outright kill a Chaos God.
Honestly the biggest risk would be a repeat of the LotR disaster whereby GW would get swamped with more demand than they can fill and then get a very fast drop off of sales right after the film is past its peak. The big toy companies are used to this and bounce one film to the next and thus can maintain the output to keep up with demand - GW would struggle through the popular period and then either find themselves sitting on a huge backlog of stock that takes years to shift and/or possibly sitting there with another factory that was needed for a year or so and then not needed again.
Vitali Advenil wrote: We'd have to get someone who has a history of making movies because they genuinely like the medium. I mean, can you imagine if Quentin Tarantino got his hands on the right to a 40k movie? It would be brutal, bloody, unapologetic in its darkness, and true to the medium. That would be a best case scenario of a faithful 40k film.
If we got a director like, for example, M. Night Shamalamalymalon... it would be such utter garbage that he'd probably turn it into a musical. Then again, seeing the Ultramarines dance around in a huge musical number would be downright hilarious.
I am still waiting for "Machete 3: In Space" from Quentin Tarantino. Wh40k would just be Machete in Space.
M. Night would use 3D all wrong and screw up a good story.
Honestly, the best way to produce a 40k mainstream adaptation would be a Netflix series based around specific ideas. The Horus Heresy novel series, adapted into a Netflix series, telling all sides of the story at once.
For example, season 1 could cover the events of Horus Rising through Galaxy in Flames.
Season 2 would be Flight of the Eisenstein and Fulgrim and all events that happened around the Istvaan Drop Site Massecre.
Season 3 would cover novels 6-12, all in chronological order and as they happened (even if things jump around, it'll tell it chronologically.
Season 4 would start with a flashback few episodes coveriing the events of First Heretic and then cover other stuff that happen between the end of the last season and the Battle of Prospero, culminating in an extra long episode or episodes covering the events of both Prospero Burns and A Thousand Sons
And so on.
It would put the entire Heresy in chronological order, so you could see the different novels and storylines in relation to each other.
Another idea would be "Arcs," with each season covering an season. One arc might be the Horus Arc, following Horus' fall to darkness. Another might be the Ultramarines, Word Bearer, Dark Angels, and Blood Angels, the lead up to the Battle of Calth and the foundation of Imperium Secundus. Another might be the Prospero Arc, covering events from the Emperor finding Russ and Magnus, Nikaea, Prospero. Another Arc, the traitors, Emperor's Children and their fall, the Iron Warriors and theirs.
If you wanted to do main story 40k they would need to focus around massive, important events, the War of the Beast, Armageddon Wars, Battle of Macragge, the Indomitus Crusade.
Honestly I think the best way would be to do a Caiphius Cain style. While keeping a whole story, run the scenes almost like individual vignettes. You'd have two narrators, one being older Cain, to set the scene, and to add an almost film noir style introspection. The other would be Amberlee, who provides both insight to the greater meta-plot, and to narrate small informative bits to keep the audience on track if they aren't familiar with the universe. A good example of the style (for the added info montage/flashbacks/infodumps see the Speed Racer movie).
"Amberlee" could start the movie with a brief overview of the universe. Not enough to give everything, but to cover the idea of the authoritarian and violent nature of the protagonists.
Next the film proper starts with Cain attending a mission briefing, and obviously not paying attention, but it's for us, not for him.
After that proceed with the movie. Whenever you need a narrator to describe the scene, old Cain does it, as well as providing inner thoughts. Whenever the audience is going to need more explanation Amberlee comes back and a mini-scene keeps us informed, adds to what's happening that Cain wouldn't know, but we should, or just to make fun of Cain's assumptions.
You could run the dichotomy of the brutality of the universe, with the more humorous moments to keep it from being to alienating to the audience. Cain's very real desire to get the H*** off the front lines would be a connection between the movie and the audience.
Run it as a semi-comedic war movie.
If you go the TV show route, you could almost make it an actionesque military procedural, focusing on Cain trying to stay off the front lines.
Mmmpi wrote: Honestly I think the best way would be to do a Caiphius Cain style. While keeping a whole story, run the scenes almost like individual vignettes. You'd have two narrators, one being older Cain, to set the scene, and to add an almost film noir style introspection. The other would be Amberlee, who provides both insight to the greater meta-plot, and to narrate small informative bits to keep the audience on track if they aren't familiar with the universe. A good example of the style (for the added info montage/flashbacks/infodumps see the Speed Racer movie).
"Amberlee" could start the movie with a brief overview of the universe. Not enough to give everything, but to cover the idea of the authoritarian and violent nature of the protagonists.
Next the film proper starts with Cain attending a mission briefing, and obviously not paying attention, but it's for us, not for him.
After that proceed with the movie. Whenever you need a narrator to describe the scene, old Cain does it, as well as providing inner thoughts. Whenever the audience is going to need more explanation Amberlee comes back and a mini-scene keeps us informed, adds to what's happening that Cain wouldn't know, but we should, or just to make fun of Cain's assumptions.
You could run the dichotomy of the brutality of the universe, with the more humorous moments to keep it from being to alienating to the audience. Cain's very real desire to get the H*** off the front lines would be a connection between the movie and the audience.
Run it as a semi-comedic war movie.
If you go the TV show route, you could almost make it an actionesque military procedural, focusing on Cain trying to stay off the front lines.
I really like this. If you’re going down the comedy route, I suddenly had this image of him doing Malcolm in the middle style asides. Maybe with freeze frames too. Though that might be taking it too far...
Konradleijon wrote: I’m sure you’ll guys can think of more ways Hollywood would feth it up.[img]
It seems to my The only reason anybody cares about such adaptations in the First place is because of obsessive fanboyism and the age-old insecurity issues of animation, comics, Tabletop games, fantasy books and video games- the asinine idea that they're not real art and need a big boy medium like Film to have their visions truly realized.
But not like Death Note. Netflix isn't too reliable with adaptations. Some are great. Others aren't. Whilst it may be fun to see Wh40k in real time, you'd need a very specific director and cast to pull it off. Otherwise you might end up with another Ultramarines. Which was gak. Or Dawn of War past Dark Crusade. Which was also gak. Soul Storm was so goofy it became a meme, Dawn of War 2 made the Blood Ravens a bunch of thieves who were secretly heretics and it screwed up the game play, and I haven't play Dawn of War 3 yet but it looks like crap.
The safest thing to do is to just copy a popular Black Library novel. Like Ciaphus Cain or something. If they try to do something original there's a higher chance of them screwing up.
But not like Death Note.
Netflix isn't too reliable with adaptations. Some are great. Others aren't.
Whilst it may be fun to see Wh40k in real time, you'd need a very specific director and cast to pull it off. Otherwise you might end up with another Ultramarines. Which was gak.
Or Dawn of War past Dark Crusade. Which was also gak. Soul Storm was so goofy it became a meme, Dawn of War 2 made the Blood Ravens a bunch of thieves who were secretly heretics and it screwed up the game play, and I haven't play Dawn of War 3 yet but it looks like crap.
Which is why none of them should touch it. I'd much rather have the Alfa Legion make a feature film than Hollywood and Netflix. At least they are closely familiar with the lore.
I disagree that Ciaphas Cain would make a good starting point for film adaptations. Cain works, in part, because it is a lighter counterpoint to the grimdark setting. It would lose a lot of meaning if you tried to use it as an entry point.
The Cain books do happen to be my favourite though...
See the entire idea of a Warhammmer 40k movie is a monkey’s paw
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Trickstick wrote: [user]I disagree that Ciaphas Cain would make a good starting point for film adaptations. Cain works, in part, because it is a lighter counterpoint to the grimdark setting. It would lose a lot of meaning if you tried to use it as an entry point.
The Cain books do happen to be my favourite though...
If you want to know what a movie plot would be, I would bet it would follow the plot of the game Space Marine. Ultramarine goes to world, beats up orks, twist Chaos stuff, bit of Inquisiton nonsense, gloss over much of the Grimness. You can have a female Guardsman if you like, you have the death of a friend etc.
I almost think that the plot of Space Marine was originally a screenplay.
Konradleijon wrote: I’m sure you’ll guys can think of more ways Hollywood would feth it up.[img]
It seems to my The only reason anybody cares about such adaptations in the First place is because of obsessive fanboyism and the age-old insecurity issues of animation, comics, Tabletop games, fantasy books and video games- the asinine idea that they're not real art and need a big boy medium like Film to have their visions truly realized.
If
If they made a Marvel style film (Clever, well paced, fun, exciting and full of humanity and good characters) then it would be a joyous thing
If they excreted out a Last Jedi style film (Dumb, turgid, dull, badly plotted and worse paced) that would be a tragedy.
I think a smart thing to do would be not to start with a bolter porn , that would be boring for a lot of people, or some deep lore stuff, that would go over the head of most people. Start with something simple and on a smaller scale. Like a detective story about Shira Calpurnia, Guys in schola going through training etc. Something that people could relate even if they don't know or like the w40k lore.
Mmmpi wrote: Honestly I think the best way would be to do a Caiphius Cain style. While keeping a whole story, run the scenes almost like individual vignettes. You'd have two narrators, one being older Cain, to set the scene, and to add an almost film noir style introspection. The other would be Amberlee, who provides both insight to the greater meta-plot, and to narrate small informative bits to keep the audience on track if they aren't familiar with the universe. A good example of the style (for the added info montage/flashbacks/infodumps see the Speed Racer movie).
"Amberlee" could start the movie with a brief overview of the universe. Not enough to give everything, but to cover the idea of the authoritarian and violent nature of the protagonists.
Next the film proper starts with Cain attending a mission briefing, and obviously not paying attention, but it's for us, not for him.
After that proceed with the movie. Whenever you need a narrator to describe the scene, old Cain does it, as well as providing inner thoughts. Whenever the audience is going to need more explanation Amberlee comes back and a mini-scene keeps us informed, adds to what's happening that Cain wouldn't know, but we should, or just to make fun of Cain's assumptions.
You could run the dichotomy of the brutality of the universe, with the more humorous moments to keep it from being to alienating to the audience. Cain's very real desire to get the H*** off the front lines would be a connection between the movie and the audience.
Run it as a semi-comedic war movie.
If you go the TV show route, you could almost make it an actionesque military procedural, focusing on Cain trying to stay off the front lines.
I really like this. If you’re going down the comedy route, I suddenly had this image of him doing Malcolm in the middle style asides. Maybe with freeze frames too. Though that might be taking it too far...
I was thinking more of using a scene of him walking down the hall, or arming, or practicing, basically every day life that he would be doing that's not paperwork, with the narrator talking over an otherwise soundless scene.
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Trickstick wrote: I disagree that Ciaphas Cain would make a good starting point for film adaptations. Cain works, in part, because it is a lighter counterpoint to the grimdark setting. It would lose a lot of meaning if you tried to use it as an entry point.
The Cain books do happen to be my favourite though...
I was thinking that lightheartedness is what would make it a good stepping stone. Start off with his very relatable reactions to his universe, then add in the more behind the scenes grimdarkness, like him being a fascist space nazi.
That would actually be a pretty fun trick to play on the audience.
Oh, you like this character? Well guess what, he's a commissar, which means he's legally permitted to summarily execute soldiers who retreat. See private Jimmy there? His head just got exploded by him. Welcome to 40k.
I always wanted a movie told from the perspective of somr guardsmrn, and a commisar, in a war agaimst greenskins. Itll be full of inspiring speaches and stuff, and should have a tone that makes the viewers proud to be human (kill xenos and all)
The ending would involve a chapter of marines warping into the space where a void war is waging, smash through the ork ships, then launch a glorious drop pod attack on the planet. The guardsmen will talk to themselves about how the angels of death exist, before one more heartfully imperium speech made by a chaplain about how the human race will not give up the planet and a huge sequence of marine bolter porn domination. Hell yeah.
40K I don't think could ever have a successful movie franchise.
In order to make them properly, you're looking at Disney money. No other company right now has the kind of cash to put forth a beautiful looking sci fi/fantasy style movie except Disney on the scale of 40K, except Blade Runner 2049 which was incredibly beautiful but ultimately bombed at the box office. Nobody would take a risk on it, there's already been several sci fi/fantasy franchises that bombed, some that were even good movies.
On top of that Disney wouldn't touch the 40K IP with a 30 foot barge pole, It's way too dark.
Plus the only directors that I can see that would actually make the film dark enough to stay true to the lore would be like David Fincher or Darron Aronofski.
The film would have to be Action/Horror like Aliens, but having a movie like that doesn't usually translate to big bucks at the box office considering that GW is really pushing the mainstream thing right now.
Warhammer is just too dark and brutal for the average person to enjoy. And I would hate to see it watered down to appeal to a wider audience, something thats happening way too much already.
Brutus_Apex wrote: 40K I don't think could ever have a successful movie franchise.
In order to make them properly, you're looking at Disney money. No other company right now has the kind of cash to put forth a beautiful looking sci fi/fantasy style movie except Disney on the scale of 40K, except Blade Runner 2049 which was incredibly beautiful but ultimately bombed at the box office. Nobody would take a risk on it, there's already been several sci fi/fantasy franchises that bombed, some that were even good movies.
On top of that Disney wouldn't touch the 40K IP with a 30 foot barge pole, It's way too dark.
Plus the only directors that I can see that would actually make the film dark enough to stay true to the lore would be like David Fincher or Darron Aronofski.
The film would have to be Action/Horror like Aliens, but having a movie like that doesn't usually translate to big bucks at the box office considering that GW is really pushing the mainstream thing right now.
Warhammer is just too dark and brutal for the average person to enjoy. And I would hate to see it watered down to appeal to a wider audience, something thats happening way too much already.
Keep Warhammer grimdark.
I dispute that Disney wouldn't touch 40k for its grimdarkness. Reason being - Deadpool and Venom. Disney's acquirement of Marvel and Star Wars shows definitely that they see the value of having A) a massive shared movie universe B) a well known sci-fi IP with legions of ready made fans who crawl to the box office over broken glass to see the latest installment, which definitely fits the description of 40k fans.
On top of this, Deadpool's success and the hype around Venom (and its got Carnage in it as the "baddie" so its definitely not kid-friendly) shows that there is success out there for R-rated mainstream superhero/sci-fi. If Disney acquire the Fox film rights they'll also acquire Deadpool and I doubt they will mess with a winning formula to make it more PG.
Combined these two, you might get Disney taking a gamble. It would also give them a chance to sell toys and collectibles to a more adult audience and expand their fanbase further in their global monopoly.
I also don't think that its too dark for the average person. There are millions of people around the world who enjoy horror, war and harrowing films - the Purge is a good example of a "grimdark" film by many standards, and even why its a prequel (the latest film) people are still eager to see it. Perhaps bombing down with all the lore immediately isn't a good idea, but a grimdark film about Guardsman surviving in a tyrannical oppressive Imperium but only because the other option is death or worse by various alien races or literally fething Daemons from literally metaphorically literal Hell.
Brutus_Apex wrote: 40K I don't think could ever have a successful movie franchise.
In order to make them properly, you're looking at Disney money. No other company right now has the kind of cash to put forth a beautiful looking sci fi/fantasy style movie except Disney on the scale of 40K, except Blade Runner 2049 which was incredibly beautiful but ultimately bombed at the box office. Nobody would take a risk on it, there's already been several sci fi/fantasy franchises that bombed, some that were even good movies.
On top of that Disney wouldn't touch the 40K IP with a 30 foot barge pole, It's way too dark.
Plus the only directors that I can see that would actually make the film dark enough to stay true to the lore would be like David Fincher or Darron Aronofski.
The film would have to be Action/Horror like Aliens, but having a movie like that doesn't usually translate to big bucks at the box office considering that GW is really pushing the mainstream thing right now.
Warhammer is just too dark and brutal for the average person to enjoy. And I would hate to see it watered down to appeal to a wider audience, something thats happening way too much already.
Keep Warhammer grimdark.
I dispute that Disney wouldn't touch 40k for its grimdarkness. Reason being - Deadpool and Venom. Disney's acquirement of Marvel and Star Wars shows definitely that they see the value of having A) a massive shared movie universe B) a well known sci-fi IP with legions of ready made fans who crawl to the box office over broken glass to see the latest installment, which definitely fits the description of 40k fans.
On top of this, Deadpool's success and the hype around Venom (and its got Carnage in it as the "baddie" so its definitely not kid-friendly) shows that there is success out there for R-rated mainstream superhero/sci-fi. If Disney acquire the Fox film rights they'll also acquire Deadpool and I doubt they will mess with a winning formula to make it more PG.
Combined these two, you might get Disney taking a gamble. It would also give them a chance to sell toys and collectibles to a more adult audience and expand their fanbase further in their global monopoly.
I also don't think that its too dark for the average person. There are millions of people around the world who enjoy horror, war and harrowing films - the Purge is a good example of a "grimdark" film by many standards, and even why its a prequel (the latest film) people are still eager to see it. Perhaps bombing down with all the lore immediately isn't a good idea, but a grimdark film about Guardsman surviving in a tyrannical oppressive Imperium but only because the other option is death or worse by various alien races or literally fething Daemons from literally metaphorically literal Hell.
Neither Deadpool nor Venom are Disney movies. The film rights to those characters are owned by Sony.
Brutus_Apex wrote: 40K I don't think could ever have a successful movie franchise.
In order to make them properly, you're looking at Disney money. No other company right now has the kind of cash to put forth a beautiful looking sci fi/fantasy style movie except Disney on the scale of 40K, except Blade Runner 2049 which was incredibly beautiful but ultimately bombed at the box office. Nobody would take a risk on it, there's already been several sci fi/fantasy franchises that bombed, some that were even good movies.
On top of that Disney wouldn't touch the 40K IP with a 30 foot barge pole, It's way too dark.
Plus the only directors that I can see that would actually make the film dark enough to stay true to the lore would be like David Fincher or Darron Aronofski.
The film would have to be Action/Horror like Aliens, but having a movie like that doesn't usually translate to big bucks at the box office considering that GW is really pushing the mainstream thing right now.
Warhammer is just too dark and brutal for the average person to enjoy. And I would hate to see it watered down to appeal to a wider audience, something thats happening way too much already.
Keep Warhammer grimdark.
I dispute that Disney wouldn't touch 40k for its grimdarkness. Reason being - Deadpool and Venom. Disney's acquirement of Marvel and Star Wars shows definitely that they see the value of having A) a massive shared movie universe B) a well known sci-fi IP with legions of ready made fans who crawl to the box office over broken glass to see the latest installment, which definitely fits the description of 40k fans.
On top of this, Deadpool's success and the hype around Venom (and its got Carnage in it as the "baddie" so its definitely not kid-friendly) shows that there is success out there for R-rated mainstream superhero/sci-fi. If Disney acquire the Fox film rights they'll also acquire Deadpool and I doubt they will mess with a winning formula to make it more PG.
Combined these two, you might get Disney taking a gamble. It would also give them a chance to sell toys and collectibles to a more adult audience and expand their fanbase further in their global monopoly.
I also don't think that its too dark for the average person. There are millions of people around the world who enjoy horror, war and harrowing films - the Purge is a good example of a "grimdark" film by many standards, and even why its a prequel (the latest film) people are still eager to see it. Perhaps bombing down with all the lore immediately isn't a good idea, but a grimdark film about Guardsman surviving in a tyrannical oppressive Imperium but only because the other option is death or worse by various alien races or literally fething Daemons from literally metaphorically literal Hell.
Neither Deadpool nor Venom are Disney movies. The film rights to those characters are owned by Sony.
Deadpool is owned by Fox as part of the X-Men franchise, and if Disney acquire's Fox's assets including Deadpool.
Venom, along with the entire Spiderman franchise, is owned by Sony but Sony has struck a deal to add Tom Holland Spiderman to the MCU, likely because Toby Maguire's Spiderman 3 bombed and so did the Andrew Garfield Amazing Spiderman films, and they had to can their planned Suicide Squad style Sinister Six movies and realised Marvel was their best chance to get a great spiderman. However, if Venom does sufficiently well, I see no reason why a mutually beneficial deal to include Tom Hardy's Venom in the MCU wouldn't be struck, as it would be profitable for both and allow true Spiderman storylines to mix in. After all, he shares a city with not only Iron Man, but also Daredevil, Punisher, Fantastic Four, and more.
Furthermore, lets not forget the Netflix shows - canonically in the MCU and yet brutal as all hell. Some stuff seen in Daredevil is WAAAAAYYY more brutal and dark than anything in Deadpool.
Disney is looking more and more into dealing with mature themes as they realise more and more adults are remaining a fan of their material, rather than losing interest in their kid friendly material once becoming a late-teenager. Opening up their market to ALL ages is a great idea for Disney and 40k, like Star Wars and Marvel, has a massive, ready made fanbase that will flock to see a 40k movie, meaning they spend less time gambling and drumming up interest.
Vitali Advenil wrote: We'd have to get someone who has a history of making movies because they genuinely like the medium. I mean, can you imagine if Quentin Tarantino got his hands on the right to a 40k movie? It would be brutal, bloody, unapologetic in its darkness, and true to the medium. That would be a best case scenario of a faithful 40k film.
If we got a director like, for example, M. Night Shamalamalymalon... it would be such utter garbage that he'd probably turn it into a musical. Then again, seeing the Ultramarines dance around in a huge musical number would be downright hilarious.
I don't think anyone has suggested Guillermo Del Torro yet but I think he'd be a great director for a film adaption of 40k. Plenty of his films already fall into very similar genres and they've generally been pretty well received. Some of the imagery in Pan's Labyrinth is bordering on being 40k and as another example his Hellboy films were very good and weren't too dissimilar to what we might expect from an inquisitor-centric story. He worked very closely with Mike Mignola to ensure that he was happy with what was being produced and that the films stayed as close as possible to the source material and that Mignola was happy with any deviations from the source material. This is exactly what should be done with a 40k film adaptation.
And it would Bomb so hard do you think the mainstream audience would be to a setting where the closest thing that aren’t the Taur to ‘hero’s’ that are basically space Nazi and would have a downer ending do you know how many successful Si-Fi over one hundred millions dollar movies have downer endings.
Empire Strikes back?
You forgot Last Jedi.
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Konradleijon wrote:Yes video game movies have a history of being successful
Konradleijon wrote: And it would Bomb so hard do you think the mainstream audience would be to a setting where the closest thing that aren’t the Taur to ‘hero’s’ that are basically space Nazi and would have a downer ending do you know how many successful Si-Fi over one hundred millions dollar movies have downer endings. You could probly count them on one hand.
Event Horizon. The last two Alien movies, and arguably Aliens. Starwars episodes 3 and 5. Infinity War part 1. The Twilight Zone. The Wrath of Khan. Adjusted for inflation I'm pretty sure you could include The Fly, Invasion of the Body Snatchers, and Planet of the Apes.
Konradleijon wrote: Why would a nostously independent director like del toro deal with Games Workshop and there iron grip on there I.P
I'll quote my original comment to illustrate my point.
Glasdir wrote: He worked very closely with Mike Mignola to ensure that he was happy with what was being produced and that the films stayed as close as possible to the source material and that Mignola was happy with any deviations from the source material. This is exactly what should be done with a 40k film adaptation.
My point is that he's worked on film adaptions that deal with a very similar genre before and worked closely with the owner of the IP in order to make sure that he's happy with the production of the film and while Mike Mignola does let other people use his IP I'm fairly sure he's still protective of it and doesn't hand it out to just anyone. All of the instances I can think of where he's let others have free reign with the Hellboy IP, he's worked closely with them to make sure that he's happy with the way his IP is being treated. It really wouldn't be all that different to working with GW. If Del Torro was paired up with someone like Aaron Dembski-Bowden to produce a film I imagine the end result would be fantastic.
And it would Bomb so hard do you think the mainstream audience would be to a setting where the closest thing that aren’t the Taur to ‘hero’s’ that are basically space Nazi and would have a downer ending do you know how many successful Si-Fi over one hundred millions dollar movies have downer endings.
Empire Strikes back?
You forgot Last Jedi.
I wanted to avoid derailing the thread with a discussion on TLJ which is.. obviously controversial.
Konradleijon wrote: And it would Bomb so hard do you think the mainstream audience would be to a setting where the closest thing that aren’t the Taur to ‘hero’s’ that are basically space Nazi and would have a downer ending do you know how many successful Si-Fi over one hundred millions dollar movies have downer endings. You could probly count them on one hand.
Event Horizon. The last two Alien movies, and arguably Aliens. Starwars episodes 3 and 5. Infinity War part 1. The Twilight Zone. The Wrath of Khan. Adjusted for inflation I'm pretty sure you could include The Fly, Invasion of the Body Snatchers, and Planet of the Apes.
I’m sure at least have of does ispared warhammer 40k and not the other way around
Konradleijon wrote: And it would Bomb so hard do you think the mainstream audience would be to a setting where the closest thing that aren’t the Taur to ‘hero’s’ that are basically space Nazi and would have a downer ending do you know how many successful Si-Fi over one hundred millions dollar movies have downer endings. You could probly count them on one hand.
Event Horizon. The last two Alien movies, and arguably Aliens. Starwars episodes 3 and 5. Infinity War part 1. The Twilight Zone. The Wrath of Khan. Adjusted for inflation I'm pretty sure you could include The Fly, Invasion of the Body Snatchers, and Planet of the Apes.
I’m sure at least have of does ispared warhammer 40k and not the other way around
He challenged the room to come up with more than five big-budget sci-fi movies with downer endings. I took him up on it. Nothing to do with what was inspired by what, which is not to say that you're probably not correct.
We can't help but be hopeful. I know Warcraft movie was pretty bad and as a Warcraft fan I personally don't like the fact they adapt the first game instead of the current events. It portrays the Orcs as mostly mindless savages who serve the Demons and Gul'dan.
I don't really like the Ultramarine animated movie either. It's very low quality.
Still, the 40k universe is very vast and the potential for a good movie is definitely there. They just have to aim for the general audience rather than die-hard fanboys which, let's face it, we are all die-hard fanboys around here. If a 40k movie comes out, it might not be what we want, but what the people not knowing about 40k will appreciate.
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Brutus_Apex wrote: 40K I don't think could ever have a successful movie franchise.
In order to make them properly, you're looking at Disney money. No other company right now has the kind of cash to put forth a beautiful looking sci fi/fantasy style movie except Disney on the scale of 40K, except Blade Runner 2049 which was incredibly beautiful but ultimately bombed at the box office. Nobody would take a risk on it, there's already been several sci fi/fantasy franchises that bombed, some that were even good movies.
On top of that Disney wouldn't touch the 40K IP with a 30 foot barge pole, It's way too dark.
Plus the only directors that I can see that would actually make the film dark enough to stay true to the lore would be like David Fincher or Darron Aronofski.
The film would have to be Action/Horror like Aliens, but having a movie like that doesn't usually translate to big bucks at the box office considering that GW is really pushing the mainstream thing right now.
Warhammer is just too dark and brutal for the average person to enjoy. And I would hate to see it watered down to appeal to a wider audience, something thats happening way too much already.
Keep Warhammer grimdark.
Well, Beuna Vista did make Starship Trooper and it is now part of Disney. That being said, Starship Trooper bombed at the box office. It has some cool scenes but the pacing it horrible, the characters are bad and no amount of military porn can save its stupidity (no aircraft attack before the invasion, no scouting, no tank, no orbital bombardment, no mech suit until the 3rd movie....).
It boils down to how well you make the movie rather than the quality of the source material. Guardian of the Galaxy was pretty obscure until the movie came out.
I like it when it gets dark. Too many movies are making it too bright to the point where the good guys are always good and the bad guys are always bad. If you are talking about being dark for the sake of being dark, then it's complete crap. That's not grimdark, that's grimdumb. Anyone enjoying it are probably jobless with no marriage and just wants to take revenge on society.
bibotot wrote: ...Well, Beuna Vista did make Starship Trooper and it is now part of Disney. That being said, Starship Trooper bombed at the box office. It has some cool scenes but the pacing it horrible, the characters are bad and no amount of military porn can save its stupidity (no aircraft attack before the invasion, no scouting, no tank, no orbital bombardment, no mech suit until the 3rd movie....)....
Not to be too snarky or anything, but I'm guessing you don't realize Starship Troopers was a deliberate take-down of standard pro-military films. The terrible pacing, bad characters, and poor military decisions are very deliberate, and it's making fun of "military porn" rather than trying to use it to somehow save itself.
bibotot wrote: ...Well, Beuna Vista did make Starship Trooper and it is now part of Disney. That being said, Starship Trooper bombed at the box office. It has some cool scenes but the pacing it horrible, the characters are bad and no amount of military porn can save its stupidity (no aircraft attack before the invasion, no scouting, no tank, no orbital bombardment, no mech suit until the 3rd movie....)....
Not to be too snarky or anything, but I'm guessing you don't realize Starship Troopers was a deliberate take-down of standard pro-military films. The terrible pacing, bad characters, and poor military decisions are very deliberate, and it's making fun of "military porn" rather than trying to use it to somehow save itself.
Indeed - I enjoy it immensely for itself but can also see the clever satire
Having a normal human as the protagonist is pretty much mandatory for the movie to work. In a universe full of genetic superhumans, chaos warped monsters and countless other aliens and monstrosities you need someone the audience can relate to.
This recruit just wants to survive, to protect and help his/her family. He's no nazi or fanatic, he's not even that into the imperial cult and doctrine. But as a regular citizen in this crazy World, what are your options?
It would also be very cool if through his struggle the movie shows how absolutely gak it is to live in this nazi-Inquisition regime. And then you find out, there is a better way. Equality, freedom, down with those imperial tyrants. The audience roots for the little guy against the evil elite. And then... our protagonist finds out, it's a chaos cult! But too late! Demons, Sorcerors, Chaos Space Marines, they butcher everyone. Then drop pods start raining from the sky. BAMM!! The Loyalists are here. Massive battle and action!
Our protagonist survives by the skin of his teeth. And then the audience realizes: The Imperium may be a shithole, but in this grimdark universe, it's the only way if humanity wants to survive.
Maybe at the end our protagonist gets recruited by the Space Marine chapter for his valiant fighting. Oh but no happy ending. Some good guys may survive, but the planet has to be lost to the warp...
Yeah but what your describing a ordinary dude in a terrible circumstance is really common. Why would a studio go though all the trouble of aquireing The 40k license to make a movie about a normal dude facing terrible odds and coming out alive but his home sufferings horbly
Bollywood 40k for the win, dem harlequins can DANCE!
Automatically Appended Next Post: I remember a few years ago someone tried to work out how many players there were, they estimated around 800k to 1.2m, so let’s assume they all go to the cinema in the U.K. at around £20 per person (cinema is expensive here), that’s 200m odd, that doesn’t include all the others that would be dragged in, so a decent budget of 100m for an inquisition movie or such would make its money back possibly, god forbid it’s actually good and it attracts even more people though.
Franchises don't need to always be known by the larger audience. You think half the people that saw any of those crap Hunger Games movies read the books or even heard of them before the movie?
I'd rather see a necromunda movie, really.
That's much easier to do than a proper 40k movie, as the scale isn't as absurdly large.
Gangers are human, so you don't have to worry about making Space Marines and aliens look good. Hive Cities are cramped, urban environments, which are pretty easy to manage. Just look at both Judge Dredd movies for inspiration.
Hell, Necromunda takes most of its inspiration from Judge Dredd.
Konradleijon wrote: I’m sure you’ll guys can think of more ways Hollywood would feth it up.[img]
It seems to my The only reason anybody cares about such adaptations in the First place is because of obsessive fanboyism and the age-old insecurity issues of animation, comics, Tabletop games, fantasy books and video games- the asinine idea that they're not real art and need a big boy medium like Film to have their visions truly realized.
If
Or, now bear with me on this one....OR, because Hollywood has the ability to make a truly amazing movie and on top of that it might open the door to a new wave of gamers, thereby bringing more people into our community. I would love it if I had more opponents in my local area.
Something all of you are forgetting that warhammer 40k is actually really stupid and childish.in the same way that 90,s era image comics where childish because people think if something has Lots of blood and death and sex and general Nastiness makes something automatically more mature it’s not .and that’s why most comic book fans look back at that era with laughter and deride
Konradleijon wrote: I’m sure you’ll guys can think of more ways Hollywood would feth it up.[img]
It seems to my The only reason anybody cares about such adaptations in the First place is because of obsessive fanboyism and the age-old insecurity issues of animation, comics, Tabletop games, fantasy books and video games- the asinine idea that they're not real art and need a big boy medium like Film to have their visions truly realized.
If
Or, now bear with me on this one....OR, because Hollywood has the ability to make a truly amazing movie and on top of that it might open the door to a new wave of gamers, thereby bringing more people into our community. I would love it if I had more opponents in my local area.
But I really don't think standard Hollywood hero movie would do justice to 40K, even though many people seem to want a big budget actions film about Space Marines being super and heroic. That would be the most boring thing they could do.
It should be absurd and dark, bordering comedy. Films like Sin City, Dredd (2012) and Brazil have the sort of elements 40K film should have.
You know what I want? An animated show. A 'Story of the Week' 40k show, done sort of like Tales from the Crypt or the Twilight Zone. Maybe even have a live-action Inquisitor narrator that introduces the show in-character.
But I really don't think standard Hollywood hero movie would do justice to 40K, even though many people seem to want a big budget actions film about Space Marines being super and heroic. That would be the most boring thing they could do.
It should be absurd and dark, bordering comedy. Films like Sin City, Dredd (2012) and Brazil have the sort of elements 40K film should have.
Wonder Woman was good, but "amazing"? I don't know. I just hope Aquaman is at least almost as good, so that when I make fun of Aquaman I'll annoy even more people. Off topic of course but Aquaman fans are very fun to annoy.
But I really don't think standard Hollywood hero movie would do justice to 40K, even though many people seem to want a big budget actions film about Space Marines being super and heroic. That would be the most boring thing they could do.
It should be absurd and dark, bordering comedy. Films like Sin City, Dredd (2012) and Brazil have the sort of elements 40K film should have.
Wonder Woman was good, but "amazing"? I don't know. I just hope Aquaman is at least almost as good, so that when I make fun of Aquaman I'll annoy even more people. Off topic of course but Aquaman fans are very fun to annoy.
Agreed, Wonder Woman is only "amazing" by comparison to the rest of the DCEU and its cultural significance for female empowerment. Other than that its a bang average film with few original plot points, average acting, terrible CGI movement and one decently choreographed fight moment although still filmed in slow motion to hide the fact that its CGI.
Wonder Woman or any superhero film would be the absolute worst way to go. 40k would need to follow an Aliens or Starship Troopers vibe, invoking the horror and terror of hordes of alien monsters, but without the incompetance of the Colonial Marines and killing off half the characters in the first act. Imagine a squad of Deathwatch having to creep through the bowels of a Hive Hab and face swarms of Genestealers along the way?
Who cares about Deathwatch? They're fearless superdudes. Put human characters in that situation. If it is an inquisitorial retinue you can have one marine for contrast.
Crimson wrote: Who cares about Deathwatch? They're fearless superdudes. Put human characters in that situation. If it is an inquisitorial retinue you can have one marine for contrast.
I don't play 40k for humans surviving against the odds. There are many franchises with humans vs aliens. In reality, a 40k movie starring regular humans would just be Ex Machina after Ex Machina to explain how they managed to survive a rampaging Carnifex, or how they stabbed the Ork in the eye RIGHT BEFORE IT KILLED HIM, and the Ork didn't just shrug it off with a laugh.
Humans are the most mundane, boring part of the franchise. If a 40k movie was made, an all-human movie would A) not be good B) not delve deep enough into the uniqueness of the lore to interest audiences. THe mainstream critics and viewers would deem it another Aliens rip off and not a great one at that, and killed off any further attempts at a 40k movie.
A cast consisting of Space Marines kicking ass, humans dying and aliens doing wierd alien things would be the way to go. Like how the Horus Heresy novels sprinkle in some human chapters to break up the monotonous Astartes chapters
Yeah, sorry but you have terrible taste. Space Marines are boring as feth. Stoic fearless superdudes are fine for a wargame but make poor characters for a film.
Crimson wrote: Yeah, sorry but you have terrible taste. Space Marines are boring as feth. Stoic fearless superdudes are fine for a wargame but make poor characters for a film.
Marvel and Disney disagree. DC might agree with you.
Superhero movies prove that superhumans can be appealing and also that they are more widely appealling. Not everyone can get on board with 40ks nihilistic lore, so having a bunch of superhuman warriors fighting back a tide of aliens and saving the noble soldiers on their last legs - very Avengers, very appealing to a mass market.
Just look at the popularity of war films vs superhero films. One is niche, one is mainstream.
If you cannot get on board with 'the nihilistic lore' then don't bother. I'm sure there are plenty of twelve-year-olds who would like to see heroic marine bolter porn, but there is no need to waste money producing such trash.
What We are really wanting from a hollywood release:
1) A social event where our fandom is front and center
2) The news talking about our fandom as an exciting thing and not a secret cabal devoted to creating mass murderers
3) A vehicle for introducing/explaining our fandom to all our friends and relatives without us lifting a finger.
4) Hordes of new players that got excited after seeing the movie and swell our gaming club's numbers and (hence) survivability for years of drop-in gaming
What we'll regret:
1) Each and every minor historical detail that no one cared about until the movie was made and didn't include it
2) The lack of inclusion about some favorite space marine chapter we love
3) The various boycotts that will flood the boards insisting the movie fix or include some minor detail
4) The hordes of new players won't give a damn about what matt ward said in 1997. They'll want female space marines and will have the numbers and spending habits to make it happen.
5) The hordes of new players won't care about your Primaris Space Marine anguish. They weren't around when space dwarves were a thing, and don't care how the fiction has or has not evolved.
Given any fandom a chance, they will demand a movie and then complain about the results until they self-destruct their own fandom. It's inevitable. Even franchises that start out as movies include this timer to self-destruction.
Hang on, wind back to Guillermo Del Toro - correct me if I'm wrong but didn't he do Pacific Rim? Just add skulls, and you've got Titanicus - The Movie.
Crimson wrote: If you cannot get on board with 'the nihilistic lore' then don't bother. I'm sure there are plenty of twelve-year-olds who would like to see heroic marine bolter porn, but there is no need to waste money producing such trash.
This so much. There is nothing wrong with having a setting that is fun and positive. That's not 40k though and making movie that removes just how soul crushing a universe this is misses the point and appeal of the setting. That said I'd say the best way to do a movie is to adopt part of the Eisenhorn books. You'd get a good glimpse of the verse, can balance that the Imperium is dangerous but not a complete gak hole and can have almost any faction how up for at least a cameo.
Crimson wrote: If you cannot get on board with 'the nihilistic lore' then don't bother. I'm sure there are plenty of twelve-year-olds who would like to see heroic marine bolter porn, but there is no need to waste money producing such trash.
Just because you don't want it doesn't mean its trash. I for one think the Imperial Guard are boring. I love the nihilistic lore, but let's think logically for a moment. Movies must make money. WW1 but with laser guns and aliens instead of Germans will make no money. Elite superhuman squad of alien hunting badasses inflitrating a giant living ship, or an hulk of space debris billions of miles long, or trying to take down a Tau defense from behind enemy lines. It would have enouhg characters to be interest but not so many that they become irrelevant and can die within 4 secs.
Would be cool to have a movie from a Tau point of view, where humans are the bad guys, like in the Firewarrior game. That could show some unique aspects of the setting. However, it could end like avatar - and the Tau aren't THAT nice either .
You had your space marine film. It was called Ultramarines and it was gak. If it would have had better effects it would have still been gak.
IG would be bad choice too, you got that right. War film in space is still a war film. Go with an Inquisitor or a Rogue Trader and their pals. Those allow varied cast of weird characters and let the film to explore the setting from many different angles.
Konradleijon wrote: And it would Bomb so hard do you think the mainstream audience would be to a setting where the closest thing that aren’t the Taur to ‘hero’s’ that are basically space Nazi and would have a downer ending do you know how many successful Si-Fi over one hundred millions dollar movies have downer endings. You could probly count them on one hand.
Event Horizon. The last two Alien movies, and arguably Aliens. Starwars episodes 3 and 5. Infinity War part 1. The Twilight Zone. The Wrath of Khan. Adjusted for inflation I'm pretty sure you could include The Fly, Invasion of the Body Snatchers, and Planet of the Apes.
This guys gets it. We need Paul W.S. Anderson. He did the Resident Evil movies, and like them or not, he took a zombie video game and made 7 movies. Event Horizon is already a 40k movie. Make Larry Fishburne a Space Marine and there you go.
Realistically, it needs to be a Netflix series. Then there will be free reign to be grim and dark and Netflix will know exactly how many and when people watched it. Take Bright for an example. Critics were 'oh my god what a terrible gak show'. News and media then dogged the movie as a bomb. Netflix said everyone and their mother watched it and green lit a sequel in less than a week. 10 Episodes at an hour a pop gives you plenty of time to make something worthy. Approach it Game of Thrones style where you'll have 5 different story lines that eventually intertwine and feed into one together. Then you can have your SM bolter orgy, with some guardsmen humanity drama. Throw in a couple SoB to sell some sex, and bind it all together with a dashing rogue trader and a grumpy Inquisitor. From there you can planet hop through dangers and mini quests all while pursuing and unraveling the overarching meta.
Netflix has the ability to target the audience without dumping stupid amounts of money on advertising that disney does for Marvel. We aren't going to see Space Marines on backpacks in Wal-Mart. But, you watched Altered Carbon, Bright, Lord of the Rings, Blade Runner, Boss Baby and Marley and Me this week? You're going to love the series Dark Heresy. Let me go ahead and autoplay it for you since you left the room.
Konradleijon wrote: I’m sure you’ll guys can think of more ways Hollywood would feth it up.[img]
It seems to my The only reason anybody cares about such adaptations in the First place is because of obsessive fanboyism and the age-old insecurity issues of animation, comics, Tabletop games, fantasy books and video games- the asinine idea that they're not real art and need a big boy medium like Film to have their visions truly realized.
If
Strong female lead sisters savings the universe from the hapless space marines males. Isn't something I'm excited to see.
The Allfather wrote: I’m sure you’ll guys can think of more ways Hollywood would feth it up.[img]
It seems to my The only reason anybody cares about such adaptations in the First place is because of obsessive fanboyism and the age-old insecurity issues of animation, comics, Tabletop games, fantasy books and video games- the asinine idea that they're not real art and need a big boy medium like Film to have their visions truly realized.
I don't think its completely to do with insecurity. Surely, it has some part. However, I want an MCU for 40k. The MCU for me is the gold standard of shared universe and modern sci-fi. The special effects are second to none. None of it looks "fake" or superimposed, and there has never been a better time for a 40k movie, with the same level of realistic looking armour as Iron Man 1 and 2, and the wizardiness dimesional mindsmash of Dr Strange, the comedic pessimism and dysfunction of Guardians of the Galaxy. It'd be a great way to translate across and see a live action 40k rather than poor, cheesy CGI space marines. However its not a necessity nor an insecurity. I for one whole-heartedly believe in the validity of animation, comics, etc as art. I have watched both One Punch Man and Rick and Morty repeatedly, both are more potent and intricate stories with better messages and plots than 99% of Netflix shows that get churned out.
yeah did you see what the MCU did to marvel comics and of not talking about the "forced diversty" the higher ups meddled to make them more like the movies but at the same time haveing lots events and relaunchs that leaves the noob audience confused
Konradleijon wrote: yeah did you see what the MCU did to marvel comics and of not talking about the "forced diversty" the higher ups meddled to make them more like the movies but at the same time haveing lv eveents and relaunchs that leave the audice that
No sure what the last half of your post says, but this shouldn't be a problem if actual 40k fans and writers are consulted. 40k novels are already diverse enough in tone, character and style that the books don't need to change. MCU is an adaptation of Marvel characters, as is every version of every superhero. A comic book gets rewritten, reimagined, diversified, etc. 40k is only beginning to explore these areas so no rewrite is necessary and wouldn't suffer the same issues. The movies could be adaptations of various novels - the Horus Heresy is a good example, as are the Space Marine Battles like Damnos and the Fang. Or they could cover current events like the War for Armageddon and Octarius, with those events being canon to the wider universe without need for a novel.
Any studio even considering a 40k movie would take a look at the fanbase - like on this forum - and drop the notion.
The fanbase isn't diverse enough, large enough, or flexible enough to accept drastic hollywood boardroom changes that would be needed to make the universe more palatable to wider audiences. It's quite likely it has been looked at several times. Studios are digging deep to find IPs with existing fanbases that could be turned into trilogies.
I haven't heard that there was a Space Marine movie before this thread - but if it did terrible, it would probably have been enough of an excuse itself for studios to not consider the IP.
To make things even more complex - studios also are likely to demand toy-production rights along with movie production rights. Since GW's current business *is* toys, it would likely cause a few issues.
SirWeeble wrote: Any studio even considering a 40k movie would take a look at the fanbase - like on this forum - and drop the notion.
The fanbase isn't diverse enough, large enough, or flexible enough to accept drastic hollywood boardroom changes that would be needed to make the universe more palatable to wider audiences. It's quite likely it has been looked at several times. Studios are digging deep to find IPs with existing fanbases that could be turned into trilogies.
I haven't heard that there was a Space Marine movie before this thread - but if it did terrible, it would probably have been enough of an excuse itself for studios to not consider the IP.
To make things even more complex - studios also are likely to demand toy-production rights along with movie production rights. Since GW's current business *is* toys, it would likely cause a few issues.
Yeah, realistically a big (or even medium) budget Hollywood adaptation is not going to happen. I'd like to see some smaller studio do a short atmospheric vignette though.
I think you can do Space Marines as the protagonist and still have a nilhistic tone. You just have to be sure to show the typical human (guardsmen) getting flattened by the enemy, showing how little chance they have. You then show that the marines have the right stuff to succeed - but just barely so.
Again, I point to Helsreach; there’s a few scenes in there where we see how outclassed the guardsmen are against the orc attackers. The marines turn the tide in a heroic manner, but its a bit of a Pyrrhic victory, at an obvious cost in manpower and morale.
Konradleijon wrote: yeah did you see what the MCU did to marvel comics and of not talking about the "forced diversty" the higher ups meddled to make them more like the movies but at the same time haveing lv eveents and relaunchs that leave the audice that
No sure what the last half of your post says, but this shouldn't be a problem if actual 40k fans and writers are consulted. 40k novels are already diverse enough in tone, character and style that the books don't need to change. MCU is an adaptation of Marvel characters, as is every version of every superhero. A comic book gets rewritten, reimagined, diversified, etc. 40k is only beginning to explore these areas so no rewrite is necessary and wouldn't suffer the same issues. The movies could be adaptations of various novels - the Horus Heresy is a good example, as are the Space Marine Battles like Damnos and the Fang. Or they could cover current events like the War for Armageddon and Octarius, with those events being canon to the wider universe without need for a novel.
I'm saying that Gee dubs might Retcon to be more paltrble to a main stream audience
Konradleijon wrote: yeah did you see what the MCU did to marvel comics and of not talking about the "forced diversty" the higher ups meddled to make them more like the movies but at the same time haveing lv eveents and relaunchs that leave the audice that
No sure what the last half of your post says, but this shouldn't be a problem if actual 40k fans and writers are consulted. 40k novels are already diverse enough in tone, character and style that the books don't need to change. MCU is an adaptation of Marvel characters, as is every version of every superhero. A comic book gets rewritten, reimagined, diversified, etc. 40k is only beginning to explore these areas so no rewrite is necessary and wouldn't suffer the same issues. The movies could be adaptations of various novels - the Horus Heresy is a good example, as are the Space Marine Battles like Damnos and the Fang. Or they could cover current events like the War for Armageddon and Octarius, with those events being canon to the wider universe without need for a novel.
I'm saying that Gee dubs might Retcon to be more paltrble to a main stream audience
They retcon constantly to sell more stuff, this would be nothing new and at least then we'd get a lot more consistency in the retcons and when they happen. They've been taking Slaanesh out of the spotlight for a while now, even though they and others claim not to, the focus has definitely been moved away from them, along with other hardcore elements of the lore. 40k never appeals to a mainstream audience and no amount of retconning can fix that, because at its core its still a niche. It comes from the same guys who made the Fighting Fantasy books and they came from a DnD style background and so the elements of 40k will always appeal to those people. You can't retcon 40k enough to make it mainstream.
I'd personally rather see a more hardcore TV series from netflix or HBO as opposed to a movie. There is just no way to fit the scope of 40k into a single movie where it wont be either a giant mess trying to appease as many fans as possible with small glimpses of different factions while maintaining some kind of loose focus on a single one or an actual focused movie where 95% of the game wont make an appearance at all.
Also, space marines might be fun to read about but I'm guess they would be horrendously boring movie protagonists
I'd vote against. Animated stuff somehow shows up in the kids departmemt. "You've watch Pokemon Orange League!We'd think you'd like Power Rangers and Attack on Titan!"
In any case, a netflick series would allow a wider view of the universe. And if there was a vote, I’d vote for a series following a rogue trader. That would really allow you to explore the universe. Could even be seen as a nice nod to its origins from edition 1.
Crimson wrote: Who cares about Deathwatch? They're fearless superdudes. Put human characters in that situation. If it is an inquisitorial retinue you can have one marine for contrast.
I don't know, I think you can leverage a black shield into a deathwatch strike force to add a bit of drama and do something along the lines of aliens with it otherwise. Have the renegade chapter the blackshield ditched from show up and run with the general lost brotherhood plot broken up by some xenos threat preying on both of them whenever they're distracted. It could work better as an isolated story than most other options because a brief discussion of heraldry and you have enough of the back story to know something might be up, make the target of the mission something juicy to setup the last few scenes as something truly nuts, then you've got super dudes with an actual story and room for stupidly over done effects.
Throwing a chapter into a straight up fight, that would be pretty boring, but there are hooks you can run with, even with space marines.
I'd vote against. Animated stuff somehow shows up in the kids departmemt. "You've watch Pokemon Orange League!We'd think you'd like Power Rangers and Attack on Titan!"
That has more to do with stupid staff than animation. Blame the notion that cartoons are inherently kid's stuff that seems to be prevalent in the US.
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