I just assembled my first necron wraiths and I have to say I reaaly like the models. Yeah they're gonna be a bitch to paint but I like them a lot, and i'd like them as models no matter how good or bad the rules are.
I had some of the plastic destroyers and I really do not like the models. They look so clunky and primitive compared to things like the plastic wraiths and spiders. They seem to have a retro look with those huge open exhaust ports on the sides that's totally out of sync with a lot of the rest of the army.
the lord of skulls looks silly to me, I know chaos is meant to be a bit over the top but just no, they could be a point each and I'd still not want to use one, because I'd not want to build or paint it.
I really hate the Beasts of Nurgle models both old and new. So much so that I bought the AOS fellwater troggoths and am planning to do a little converting and have them standing on cork rocks to give a little more height.
I love the old Craftworld Vyper. One of the first vehicles I ever bought in 2nd edition and despite its age, horrible sculpting of the pilots(compared to newer models), and rules that have never really favored the unit, I still love that thing.
I'm really on the fence about the classic boxy Dreadnoughts when you have much better ones like the Leviathan and the Telemon that actually look like they could walk.
I love > Soul Grinders. Seriously I f'ing love those models and they really exemplify a towering daemonicly infused monstrosity rampaging across the field spewing out death at all ranges.
In game its a confused creature which doesn't know the hell it's supposed to be doing. Honestly it needs to change its weapons to assault and it'll be fine at its new price point of 180!
Please buff my beloved chaos platypus!
Unit I hate with a burning passion - Castellan knight. It does everything too well for too cheap and it's just bull gak. (Im totally not bitter its better than my Forge World Daemons, or Forge world Tyranid Hirodules... infact it beats anything for the same PL/points model my Eldar, Daemons or Nids can bring to the table!)
I don't like the official models of talos, flash gitz, painboy, weirdboyz and the big mek with SAG. I've made my own conversions of all of them because I love their concepts and rules. Never been a fan of the SW ven dread with axe and shield, if it was absolutely terrible rule-wise I would never have bought it.
I love the incubi, succubus, ork bikes, TWC and burna boyz models regardless how bad they are in this edition.
There are no units in the Guard that I hate how they look or are weak (they are all weak, so the standard is pretty low ) and I keep using them. The closest thing is usually FW stuff, that has mediocre/underwhelming rules, but I often field it because they have awesome models. Namely the Avenger Strike Fighter and the Macharius Heavy Tank. I usually convert things that I dislike how they look. Leman Russ Battle tank might be the prime example, followed by Ogryns.
I just hate the Terminator model. It's the pose, I can't get past how no normal human being would ever stand like that. The helmets are kind of dopey too, but I could overlook that if they were standing in the same stances as the Tartarus pattern Terminators. The old metal ones weren't much better.
They're a contentious choice but I love the Centurion models. I keep finding excuses to use them even though I know I'd be better off taking a couple of Dreadnaughts.
Tau Devilfish. They just nailed that aesthetic back then. Being able to fit the Recon Drone into the top hatch now is just the cherry on top. It's not the best transport in the game, but I will always field it just for its looks.
I love the Mars Alpha Pattern Vanquisher, and will use it every game no matter how bad they want to make the Vanquisher cannon. It did get a new lease of life with the new relic battle cannon though, so I don't have to use the horrible rules the Vanquisher had. I think that a Vanquisher cannon, by the fluff, pretty much is a relic. They used to be able to choose what ammo to use, and the new relic sort of fits that idea with its profile.
I'll always take my Lady Commissar if I can. Having a single black-clad model in the infantry line looks great. The Comissar rules are not what they used to be but I guess they are not horrible. My conversion of Countess Marianna Chevaux from Mordheim is one of my favourites, although it does get the occasional "that's not a GW model".
Lastly, the Vulture Punisher is a great model that, at least in the past, has been OP. I just love having a single gunship supporting my ground forces. I blame the notorious book Flesh and Iron, which had a plot line about a lightning strike pilot supporting a river force.
Three models I will continue to use in every game, simply because they are my favourite models.
Trickstick reminded me that I also have a model I take every (like 95%) time, and that is the Primaris Psyker, converted from Eldar Farseer and made human. She's a killing machine, often killing stuff worth 3-4times her own price.
And also my Tesla tank (Executioner Tank Commander) participates in almost every battle.
Blackie wrote: I don't like the official models of talos, flash gitz, painboy, weirdboyz and the big mek with SAG. I've made my own conversions of all of them because I love their concepts and rules.
If you don't mind me asking, what is it about the talos model that you don't like?
Also, do you have any pictures of your Talos conversion? I love seeing DE conversions.
Kap'n Krump wrote: I've always adored deff dreads, but they've been consistently awful throughout the editions.
They're actually not too bad anymore - especially with either evil sunz or deffskulls kultur + tellyporta array.
There was a period when IA8 came out when they were good. Dread mob list was scary. I remember facing dread mob with an armoured battle group and it was a field of vehicular carnage. Great times.
Deff Koptas - These things are adorable.
I kinda love small fliers in general.
XV88 Broadsides with the HRR & Railrifle Pathfiners.
Railguns are boss and the Broadside is the best looking Tau suit except for, maybe, the Ghostkeel.
Blackie wrote: I don't like the official models of talos, flash gitz, painboy, weirdboyz and the big mek with SAG. I've made my own conversions of all of them because I love their concepts and rules.
If you don't mind me asking, what is it about the talos model that you don't like?
Also, do you have any pictures of your Talos conversion? I love seeing DE conversions.
I wondered about this as well. I really like the stock Talos.
Bobthehero wrote: DKoK Grenadiers, before they were Scions that couldn't deep strike now they're cheaper Scions that still can't ds and have less special weapons.
In a similar way, I have always had my eye on a dkok engineer squad with drill. The rules on that thing have yoyoed so much.
Bobthehero wrote: DKoK Grenadiers, before they were Scions that couldn't deep strike now they're cheaper Scions that still can't ds and have less special weapons.
In a similar way, I have always had my eye on a dkok engineer squad with drill. The rules on that thing have yoyoed so much.
Oh yes, when I first fielded it, it was amazingly OP, now I dunno.
Bobthehero wrote: DKoK Grenadiers, before they were Scions that couldn't deep strike now they're cheaper Scions that still can't ds and have less special weapons.
In a similar way, I have always had my eye on a dkok engineer squad with drill. The rules on that thing have yoyoed so much.
Oh yes, when I first fielded it, it was amazingly OP, now I dunno.
Now you sort of can't field it, because they broke the datacard. Don't worry, there is apparently some random facebook answer that lets you use it or something.
Terminators have been bad since forever. But I do enjoy their models!
Man, terminators rocked when I used to use them back in 5th edition. I'd frequently place pretty well at local tournaments (and took 7th at a 100 person GT once) with a Codex marines force, and my "hammer" unit was Assault Terminators in a Land Raider.
Tau Crisis Suits. They weren't bad for long, and they are pretty decent looking again, but man do I love them. I've been running Missilesides and Crisis Missile Pod squads since 8th, barrage of missiles all day.
From Eldar range:
Love:
- humble Guardians - I fell in love with them for their poseability when they premiered in 3rd but I actually had to wait 15 years of my hobby hiatus to actually field them. Now I try to "catch" this lost time whenever they suit my list.
- Wraithlords (and especially Wraithseer) this kit allows for such great dynamism it always look cool on the tabletop, especially dueling some other cool model
- Maugan Ra - for pure Eldar badassery incarnate, my favourite GW model of all time.
Hate:
- Wraithknight - just so out of line with the rest of wraith constructs... Legs and chest are especially ugly. But after seeing Andrew Hicks conversion I may try one day to come up with my own "salvage plan"
- Falcon chasis tank range - this is actually quite frustrating, as I LOVE "type two" FW upgraded ones (except turrets on Night Spinner/Fire Prism, it is still too large even with tail fin and the turret itself does not flow well with chasis IMHO). The frustrating bit is that FW won't bring back those upgrades and I was on hiatus when they were available. So the only way to get those parts is through Warp Hunters...
Ooooh, don't get me started!
Models that I love despite rules:
Tactical marines (one of the loveliest plastic kits I've ever used)
Terminators
Centurions (listen, swap the heads for mk iii heads and they actually look great)
Really dislike the new nurgle range, but then paradoxically love only some elements of the plague marines kits. Same goes for the poxwalkers, which I've been systematically butchering lately...
I really like the scouts except the heads because they've got this goofy sameface that doesn't even match the rest of the marine line. Got a few 'cause Black Templars, and they're actually pretty fun to customize.
Quite like a fair bit of the Eldar/Dark Eldar range but god, if that finecast resin with those small details doesn't fill me with Khornate levels of rage...
I love the Skitarii infantry scultps, but painting them is such a labor that it almost puts me off doing any more.
Spoiler:
I hate all space wolves because they're too mixed up. Crusading knights in space but also vikings but also werewolves but with a neo-classical/straight classical air and then vaguely gothic thing but then also catholic stuff too. GW been over-designing stuff for years.
From AdMech range:
Love:
- Ironstrider, for the pilot, such an awesome design idea!
Hate:
- Kastellan Robots - they are just ugly. I get the lore idea behind their design not corresponding to the rest of AdMech range, but it does not change the fact, that those are most toy-like GW designs out there.
Another one for "Hate the Taurox". It's a stupid looking model in and of itself, but doesn't really match the lines or visual of anything else in the army. The Taurox adds nothing to the army from a gameplay or fluff perspective, and tries to fill a role that the Chimera had already filled for over twenty years by the time of its introduction. There are just so many distinctly different reasons to hate on this thing. The model department that created it and manager who approved it at GW should feel bad. It even manages to cost more $$$ than the Chimera despite being a smaller model. Everything about it is just...awful.
That said, the Chimera redesign wasn't great either. The updated version has a silly looking taller boxy turret, and doesn't include the Vehicle Accessory Sprue, and costs more to boot. I have consciously gone out of my way not to buy any, despite owning 16 older style Chimeras.
On another note, the metal Thunderfire Cannon was probably among the worst GW models I ever had to assemble, but after that I actually rather like it.
Vaktathi wrote: On another note, the metal Thunderfire Cannon was probably among the worst GW models I ever had to assemble, but after that I actually rather like it.
You just reminded me about the bane of my modelling existence, the old metal landspeeder. Imagine a thunderfire cannon, which is supposed to go on a plastic flight stand...
Vaktathi wrote: On another note, the metal Thunderfire Cannon was probably among the worst GW models I ever had to assemble, but after that I actually rather like it.
You just reminded me about the bane of my modelling existence, the old metal landspeeder. Imagine a thunderfire cannon, which is supposed to go on a plastic flight stand...
I love the look of terminators, and have ever since I was introduced to the game nearly 20 years ago. Only thing I don’t like about them skinny thighs.
I hate standard mini marines; assault marines are the absolute worst, but all mini marines have insanely twiggy thighs and most are posed like they’re trying to take a crap in the woods without leaning against a tree.
I also don’t care for Inceptors; too bulky and stupid looking and then GW expects you to attach them to flying sticks. No thanks. My DI trio is sitting in pieces in a box.
I love my kanz so much and initially wanted to make a kan wall/dread mob army but boy. Not getting clan traits for them was a kick in the you know what. Sure they dropped in points but even then they are just not worth it. A generalist unit with too few shots to make them gun platforms and too awful a WS to get them into combat makes for a decidedly meh unit.
Shame because the models are amazing and so is the lore for a walker army but alas. There is really no reason for me to take them unless I'm consistently stomping my opponent anyway.
As for dislike, I don't have the collection to really dislike any one model/unit but I was really disappointed by the new gunwagon. Instead of finally giving us the tank I wanted we get an overpriced piece of junk with a terrible BS 5+. New formation doesn't make them any better either. Why double range? This does absolutely nothing useful, just give me BS 4+ or more guns for the same price. Really sad to see shooty Battlewagons be trash.
Drop pods, just drop pods. I love the idea of the model and it's iconic roll in game and background but god are they a pain to put together. Get one little bit on one of the uprights or the center and the thing comes out deformed.
In the category of so ugly I struggle to understand:
Primaris Inceptor: You know what's cool? Seraphim Sisters. They are gun-fu specialist with wing pattern jetpacks. They are suppose to be super slick and agile. Space Marine should have some of those! Let's make them look like obese idiots with cumbersome oversized pistols and try to sell them as a slick and agile assault unit! Probably one of the worst model ever designed.
Space Marine Centurion: Lets put Space Marines in armors so heavy they will look like babies in winter suit!!
Dreadknight: the baby carrier. At least it makes some sense compared to Centurion.
Stormwolf/Stormfang: And they say ork planes aren't aerodynamic. These are flying rectangles.
Vanilla and Chaos Terminator: How can you fight in those things. That looks more like the sort of stuff de-mining teams would use. Combat engineer instead of elite assault troops? (the cataphractii look a lot better and so are the blightlords)
Genestealers: The cthullu mouth made them a little bit better, but overall they lack oomph, especially since they are suppose to be one of the most dangerous creature out there both thanks to their intelligence and their might.
Wyches: actually not all that bad. They are far too "masculine" looking. They need more elegance and grace and less of an Esher style.
In the category of absolutly awesome
Wracks: They...look...scary as...****
Ork Nobz: Badass looking. Lots of options and little doodads for personalisation. Easy to assemble. cheap box. what's not to like!
Scorpions: very cool design, especially the Exarch with a biting blade, cool helmets. I weep for them in plastic since my three squad in metal got damaged while moving :( (special mention for the Dire Avengers too, but they need more swords)
Crimson Hunter: the exact opposite of the Stromfang.
Carnifex: Like nobz, but for Tyranids. Make sure to use the extra decoration bits for an impressive specimen. (special mention for the Tyranid Warriors who are about just as cool)
Stormsurge: A giant robots with missile packs... my favorites. (special mention for the XV 88 and the Ghostkeel)
Fire Warrior breacher Team: probably the most well posed infantry unit with a cool looking heavy armor and a nice gun.
Skitarii Rangers and Vanguard: more human looking than guardsmen thanks to nice proportion and a great design for an electro-steam punk soldiers.
Special mention for the Sisters of Battle squad and Seraphim who while fairly good will probably by mental once they are updated.
epronovost wrote: Vanilla and Chaos Terminator: How can you fight in those things. That looks more like the sort of stuff de-mining teams would use. Combat engineer instead of elite assault troops? (the cataphractii look a lot better and so are the blightlords)
They sort of are. Terminator armour was originally used for servicing reactor cores. There is actually a lot of that sort of thing in the Imperium. The Leman Russ was originally some sort of tractor.
epronovost wrote: Vanilla and Chaos Terminator: How can you fight in those things. That looks more like the sort of stuff de-mining teams would use. Combat engineer instead of elite assault troops? (the cataphractii look a lot better and so are the blightlords)
They sort of are. Terminator armour was originally used for servicing reactor cores. There is actually a lot of that sort of thing in the Imperium. The Leman Russ was originally some sort of tractor.
I know, they should have kept using them in such a fashion. I like the concept of a "utility unit". In the same vein, many Leman Russ variant look really bad because the cannon looks absurdly large compared to the rest of the hull. Demolishers, Punishers and Exterminator don't look that bad though. In the same vein, I forgot the Taurox ridiculous threads. Weels would have been som much better.
I hate chaos cultists. I think they don't work as intended in the Chaos marine book and their models are pretty much nonexistent right now. I can't even convert up cultist models because there's no good source of laspistols or autopistols in GW model form. They frustrate me on a hundred different levels and I doubt that a new kit will improve them. I honestly hope they just get nerfed out of existence.
I LOVE Helbrutes. They're one of the coolest kits that have ever come out, super easy to magnetize and such. Rules? Well, GW seems to want us to buy dreadnoughts since they keep making them, but they refuse to give those dreadnoughts and dreadnought-like models decent rules, so...
Dreadknights. Every GK Codex becomes progressively more and more Codex: Dreadknight, yet the day I put a Terminator in a papoose on the field and say "Yes, this is a model I spent time and energy building and painting" is the day I check into a mental hospital of my own accord because I've clearly taken leave of my senses. Also because spending enough time looking at that model to finish painting one will have caused my brain to ooze out my ears.
Absolutely love seeing anything using a Power Lance/Spear/pointy thing on a stick and its a shame that history's most common melee weapon isn't very commonly represented in 40k. Absolutely love my Vanguad Vets with spears and have zero hesitation with fielding due to how awesome they look. Also something that is sorely lacking are models using shields which again where extremely common defensive tools and yet they rarely see use outside of SS Terminators and maybe on some elite melee space marine units (vanguard vets, thunder cav, etc). Of course chainswords are the most common and iconic 40k melee weapon but by far the most common "special" melee weapon are some type of power sword. The Space Marine line in particular is loaded to the brim with Power Sword bits with almost no axes, mauls, flails, spear/lance, or even big two handed outside of the thunder hammer. For all the hate that Grey Knights and Space Wolves attract, they at least have some decent model variety for melee weapon types.
Absolutely hate Gulliman due the look of the model (its Joffery from GoTs), the impact of bringing back non daemon Primarchs back into 40k, the fluff associated with his return (so much heresy), and him being the center piece for the even more Ultramarine-centric direction GW is taking the fluff. Zero chance ill ever own that model regardless of his rules.
drbored wrote: I hate chaos cultists. I think they don't work as intended in the Chaos marine book and their models are pretty much nonexistent right now. I can't even convert up cultist models because there's no good source of laspistols or autopistols in GW model form. They frustrate me on a hundred different levels and I doubt that a new kit will improve them. I honestly hope they just get nerfed out of existence.
Saint Celestine. It pains me to say so, seeing as she's the first new Sisters model in over a decade and as such should have been an insta-buy for me, but it's just too overdone for my taste, and looks more like a display piece than part of a tabletop army.
In general I avoid any model that comes with it's own scenery or is otherwise bigger/taller than it really needs to be - the imperial assassins and the harlequins are other offenders.
Taste is subjective I guess, I quite like them. I do prefer the older Leman Russ models though, with the larger turrets. I really like the old Demolisher, which came with metal turret parts and looks quite beefy. If I was going to start my army again though I would go for the dkok mars alpha russes. Those things look so much better. I have one as a commander though, which sort of fits thematically.
The plastic cadians aren't actually bad once you swap the heads, at least to me, I like the Pig Iron Productions Kolony Militia heads personally, but they look good with lots of other ones too. The basic Cadian heads though do look...awful.
Centurions - Don't want them, won't buy them - the same with the Marine flyers.
Thunderwolves - same
Wulfen - same
Logan's sleigh - same
GK baby carrier - same
- I love the DE Mandrake models. The only thing I find sad is that they're just 1-wound infantry with no HQ.
- Scourges are also really nice. I think their wings are splendid, I like their poses, and I also really like their heads. In addition to being great models in and of themselves, they're fantastic for use in conversions.
- They're really old, but I still like the IG Vostroyan models. I just think they have a really great and really unusual design.
- Incubi. The helmets along are fantastic.
- The old Archon model (the finecast one). I think it had a fantastic design and (IMO) looks vastly better than the new one. Probably why GW is still using its image on the DE codices, even though it's no longer available to buy.
ashcroft wrote: Saint Celestine. It pains me to say so, seeing as she's the first new Sisters model in over a decade and as such should have been an insta-buy for me, but it's just too overdone for my taste, and looks more like a display piece than part of a tabletop army.
In general I avoid any model that comes with it's own scenery or is otherwise bigger/taller than it really needs to be - the imperial assassins and the harlequins are other offenders.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who really doesn't like the new Celestine model.
ashcroft wrote: Saint Celestine. It pains me to say so, seeing as she's the first new Sisters model in over a decade and as such should have been an insta-buy for me, but it's just too overdone for my taste, and looks more like a display piece than part of a tabletop army.
In general I avoid any model that comes with it's own scenery or is otherwise bigger/taller than it really needs to be - the imperial assassins and the harlequins are other offenders.
yeah seconded on the Celestine model, thankfully there are great third party alternatives
Definately hate the New DE Talos, i just prefer the old Scorpion model over the fleshcraft thing it is now.
Really Really hate the current daemonette models, well most of the current slaanesh line in general
DE scourges are pretty good models, wish they gave you 3/3 of each wing instead of 3/2
Ogryn and ratlings... for an Imperium that prides itself on exterminating the mutant, they sure are awfully accepting of human offshoot races . Models look pretty awful too, with the possible exception of the ogryn bodyguard.
Love: - Just about everything that's ever been released for Craftworlds (aside from a handful of notable exceptions like the 3rd ed Striking Scorpions). Particular highlights are the Falcon chassis, Forgeworld Avatar(s), Crimson Hunter, Wraithlord & FW Super Heavy grav tanks.
- Land Raiders
- Trygon
- Ghostkeel
- Mk4 Maximus Marines
- Terminators in general (though they could use a better kit)
- Terminator chaplain
- Valkyrie
- Warlord Titan
- Deathwatch Kill Team
- Artemis
- Leviathan Dread
- Sternguard
- Killa Kans
- Gretchin
- FW Vulkan
- FW Firedrakes
- Pedro Kantor
- Questoris Knights
- Kataphrons
- Secutarii
- Mandrakes
Hate: - Everything wolfy in the Space Wolves line - Grimnar's sleigh, Wulfen, Thunderwolves etc. Just too cheesy and I massively preferred SW when they were just viking marines.
- Stormraven (flying brick).
- Primaris Inceptors (what were they thinking?)
- Primaris Repulsor (somebody in the design team asked their 6 year old what would be cool and then made it)
- Primaris Redemptor (beer belly)
- Centurions (scraping the barrel)
- Khorne Beserkers (aged horribly)
- Anything CSM that's basically identical to the loyalist version but with extra spikes (spikes for the evulz)
- Lord of Skulls (just ridiculous)
- Catachans and Cadians (horrible proportions, and I like my guard somewhat archaic rather than 'modern')
- Deredeo (it's got a boat for a body)
Love, From the Imperial Guard:
You will never part me from my Russes, old or new. The old kit was better, but it's hard to improve on perfection The Baneblade is also a work of art. Big, chunky art, but art nonetheless.
The old range of metal commissars from around 5th were pretty much all great. The newer plastic one? Not so much.
Kasrkin are my favourite models in the game, hands down.
Basilisks and FW Hydras make the honour roll.
Everyone else:
Metal Sternguard and Vanguard. Beautiful models.
Grey Knights, both PA and Terminator. Old metals and new plastics.
The Terminator Chaplain and Librarian, again the older metal models rather than plastic replacements.
Kabalite Warriors. Maybe it's the edgy teenage phase never quite leaving, but I always thought they looked damn cool.
Fire Warriors basically got me into 40K aesthetically.
1K sons look dope today, looked dope when I started a decade back.
Celestine and the backup dancers are the best 40K pop band
If I played Eldar, the Fire Prism, Wraithlord, Scorpions and Dark Reapers would probably all be on here, or at least honour roll.
The Hate List:
Plastic Hydras. Open turret? Ew.
Ratlings: Never liked the shortasses.
Ogryn: Nope.
Tempestus Scions: Please give me my Kasrkin models back.
Taurox: Another vote against the Taurox. Even wheels don't help, IMO.
Everything Space Wolves. It stopped being about the Viking stuff loooong ago...
Primaris: Largely because of the fluff, but I actually prefer the shorter marines.
Flying Primaris: Look more like they're going to perform maintenance on the ISS.
Rievers: Stop cosplaying Ghost already. That game's a decade old, it's not funny.
Khorne Berzerkers: Aged like a fine pint of milk.
Orks, except maybe two or three models. Paradoxically, I also love Orks, so...
The Stormlord barely misses the hate list, barely. I'd probably like it more if the VMB was turret mounted instead. Hull mounted? Ew, forget it. And does no one love the humble Rhino?
w1zard wrote: Ogryn and ratlings... for an Imperium that prides itself on exterminating the mutant, they sure are awfully accepting of human offshoot races . Models look pretty awful too, with the possible exception of the ogryn bodyguard.
The abhuman lore is actually quite interesting. Let us just say that they are not that accepting, and that the classification of human sub-species is rather complicated and the "rights" that they are afforded are quite limited.
liquidjoshi wrote: The old range of metal commissars from around 5th were pretty much all great. The newer plastic one? Not so much.
I just don't understand what you are supposed to do if you want more than one Commissar. Assuming that the classic ones disappear at some point, you have a plastic kit with only a single pose. If you use more than one they would just look weird.
liquidjoshi wrote: The Stormlord barely misses the hate list, barely. I'd probably like it more if the VMB was turret mounted instead. Hull mounted? Ew, forget it.
I hate that thing. I blame the fact that it was the meta-build for the shadowsword kit when it came out. I have my shadowsword built specifically so I can only switch between the 3 non-transport variants. I really just hated people using it with 20 lascannons firing out of the back. How on earth would you get that many lascannons on the firing deck? If you want a VMB tank, go for the Macharius Vulcan. That model is really nice, and probably the best Macharius variant rules-wise.
Love the Canoptek Tomb Stalker/Sentinel and use one even if the rules aren't very good. One of the best models FW has ever done IMO, although it's also one of the most delicate, infuriating things you will ever put together.
I wish GW would incorporate it into their main plastic line
This thread is doing a good job of reminding me that i love the ogryns and ratlings! I would make a 100% abhuman army if i could. The ogryn models especially have been some of my favorites for a long time.
Also, I love the sentinels and chimeras.
Negativety... hmm...
A bunch of other people have mentioned them and yeah, I don't care much for the inceptors. Not a fan of how they look, and they were surprisingly unpleasant to build.
Well I guess you could, if you just took vanguard detachments. You would have to take some Commissars for HQs of course, but you need someone to keep an eye on the things.
Armiger Knight Warglaive Armiger Knight Helverin Knight Paladin Knight Errant Knight Crusader Knight Gallant Knight Warden Knight Preceptor Knight Styrix Knight Magaera Knight Castellan Knight Valiant Vindicator Whirlwind Attack Bikes Land speeder Stormtalon Stormhawk Dark Eldar Dark Lances Shadowsword Stompas Anything Associated with Ynnari
Why Knights or big vehicles? Because they have no place in normal matched play most of these should only belong in Apocalypse games. This "Everything can be played in matched play." Ruined the entire meta. Once you add big walkers onto the field your space marines start to suck. I'm sorry knight players but you have no place in Competitive Tournaments or matched play. If knights were balanced sure! But they aren't, they are super tanky, and kill literally everything on the field setting up an entire meta around them.
"Can your army deal with knights?"
If no your army is not competitive and will die.
"Can you army deal with dark eldar / ynnari?"
Well, you're going to die. Its a shame cause I love Eldar but they should not have access to an outright broken army, the flexibility afforded to the Ynnari range is far too much. (as are most soup / allied lists).
Sorry rant but most models from the ynnari range make me angry because I rather them have their own faction and their own models that they call their own not stealing the best units from all the eldar factions.
Whirlwinds, Vindicators, Stormhawks, Storm Talons... I just think they are bad models TBH. Vindicator is never used and is one of the worst space marine vechiles. Landspeeders look silly now compared to a storm talon. Killing the entire idea of having a land speeder... (Why do we have a land speeder if we have an aircraft?)
Attack Bikes are hilariously stupid looking in comparision to the new vehicles.
And finally my most hated models...
The Phoenix Lords.
Now in the lore these guys are the most mega badasses on the planet like they are the primarchs of the eldar. But their models...
They look like christmas decorations compared to the other factions now. I have and I always complain about the lack of support for the eldar. Their units older than entire ranges of miniatures. And the Phoenix lords are on top of that list.
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Fear me and my stubby legs!
I am as dynamic as cardboard!
LackLuster Rules and I am supposed to be the Predator Motiff of the Eldar, and yet I can't live through a single round of combat.
Sorry but these guys are horrible models, great lore, great aesthetic. But man are their models lack luster. The only nice one is the forgeworld one but even then he is the least interesting cause there isn't very much different between him and his followers.
What I am trying to say is... Lets make phoenix lords cool again! #makephoenixlordscoolagain
Well I guess you could, if you just took vanguard detachments. You would have to take some Commissars for HQs of course, but you need someone to keep an eye on the things.
That's true, and appropriately thematic. Though now of course i'm thinking of kitbashing or making ogryn commisars... I should stop before I spend money.
Well I guess you could, if you just took vanguard detachments. You would have to take some Commissars for HQs of course, but you need someone to keep an eye on the things.
That's true, and appropriately thematic. Though now of course i'm thinking of kitbashing or making ogryn commisars... I should stop before I spend money.
How about a normal Guard army, but you just use Beastmen instead of normal Guard? There should still be some beastmen regiments floating around somewhere, the paperwork that beastmen were banned is probably still moving through the filing system.
Well I guess you could, if you just took vanguard detachments. You would have to take some Commissars for HQs of course, but you need someone to keep an eye on the things.
That's true, and appropriately thematic. Though now of course i'm thinking of kitbashing or making ogryn commisars... I should stop before I spend money.
How about a normal Guard army, but you just use Beastmen instead of normal Guard? There should still be some beastmen regiments floating around somewhere, the paperwork that beastmen were banned is probably still moving through the filing system.
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Victoria Miniatures makes models, if you don't want to convert large numbers of them. Maybe run them as Catachans for S4, or hop over to 30k for their abhuman militia army lists?
Insectum7 wrote: Land Speeders. Love the models, but haven't fielded one seriously in a looong time.
Assault Marines, same as above.
land Speeders may be workable now. I never played my Ravenwing Typhoon because I thought the Vengeance speeder did as much damage, but was tougher.
However, that same Typhoon speeder that was 130pts (Typhoon/HB) is now only 98pts and much more reasonable than the 144pt vengeance.
For me, it's the Corvus Blackstar. I love the model, but even with the 15pt points drop (25pts if you take the lascannons), it's not viable.
The post about Phoenix Lords is so apt. I thought the models were so cool when I started at the beginning of 3rd. Approximately 20 years later... barf. They are 50% helmet in most cases. Or 80% wig. Such trash.
Models I love, some of which have crappy rules:
-Khorne Bloodthirster: Honestly even with the points drop in CA2018 these things are still not great, but the model is one of the best GW has ever produced.
-Nephilim Jetfighter/Dark Talon: Dark Angels got the Imperium's best looking aircraft design. Dark Talons are amazeballs in game, while Nephilims, well, aren't.
-Corvus Blackstar: This is the model that almost got me to start a Deathwatch army. Much cooler design for a dropship than the Stormraven.
-Repulsor: Just an awesome-looking flying tank.
-XV104 Riptide Battlesuit: This thing is one of the coolest-looking models in the entire game. I've always loved mech suits in sci-fi, and this is one of my favorites.
-Thunderwolf Cavalry: So many people like to hate these, but I ask you: what is more manly, more badass, more awesome, than power-armored Space Vikings riding into battle on the back of giant wolves? Nothing, that's what!
-Shokkjump Dragsta: I don't play Orks, but I nearly bought Speed Freeks just for this model. All of the new Ork buggies are awesome, and they have such cool names too. The best name, rather than model, has to be the Rukkatrukk Squigbuggy, though.
-Nemesis Dreadknight: Another one everyone loves to hate, but I actually like the model a lot. Grey Knights currently suck, but at least they've got cool models.
Now, for the models I despise, despite some of them having great rules:
-Obliterators/Mutilators: God, these things are ugly! I have 3 Obliterator squads and I do like to run them in my Chaos lists, but not because of the models, that's for sure.
-Khorne Berzerkers: The poses might be about the stupidest in the whole game. There's a reason I use AoS Khorne Bloodreavers as my Berzerkers; they are way better models.
-Defiler: Why is the head on this thing so tiny compared to the rest of it? The Soul Grinder actually takes the same concept and makes it way better.
-Logan Grimnar on Stormrider: Is he really supposed to look like a high-tech Santa Claus?
-Arco-flagellants: These things are just too weird. I know weird is kind of par for the course in 40k, but honestly Arco-flagellants are mostly just ugly models.
-Spoilpox Scrivener: The whole distended mouth thing is absurd, and looks stupid IMO.
epronovost wrote: I personnaly use these guys as Khorne Berserkers. My only problem with them is that they make my Kharn look like kind off like a wimp.
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Honestly those should be a 40k equailvent they look so badass you just put bolters on them and call em skull takers as Angron's personal army
the old berserker models are great.... 20 years ago
I kinda hate the leman Russ tank. Sorry, but that barrell is proportioned like something out of an old warner brothers cartoon. Honestly, if we do some even half ass scaling a round from a leman Russ would be like over a meter across and the tank could hold like 4 of them. Also who is gonna load the round into the breach?
Techpriestsupport wrote: I kinda hate the leman Russ tank. Sorry, but that barrell is proportioned like something out of an old warner brothers cartoon. Honestly, if we do some even half ass scaling a round from a leman Russ would be like over a meter across and the tank could hold like 4 of them. Also who is gonna load the round into the breach?
So many vehicles need upgrades... please no more marines....
epronovost wrote: I personnaly use these guys as Khorne Berserkers. My only problem with them is that they make my Kharn look like kind off like a wimp.
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Honestly those should be a 40k equailvent they look so badass you just put bolters on them and call em skull takers as Angron's personal army
the old berserker models are great.... 20 years ago
Frankly, the entire Warrior of Chaos range from Warhammer Fantasy puts the Chaos Space Marine line to shame in terms of badass dark warriors.
Nithaniel wrote: I really hate the Beasts of Nurgle models both old and new. So much so that I bought the AOS fellwater troggoths and am planning to do a little converting and have them standing on cork rocks to give a little more height.
Using river trolls? That's a really great idea. I was thinking of making a creepy green stuff slug but I might steal this idea instead.
Techpriestsupport wrote: I kinda hate the leman Russ tank. Sorry, but that barrell is proportioned like something out of an old warner brothers cartoon. Honestly, if we do some even half ass scaling a round from a leman Russ would be like over a meter across and the tank could hold like 4 of them. Also who is gonna load the round into the breach?
What's scary is I got some Meng Toon Tanks from a mate for Xmas. The King Tiger has better proportions than the russ. Is 1/3rd the price and despite the cartoon scaling still looks better.
Techpriestsupport wrote: I kinda hate the leman Russ tank. Sorry, but that barrell is proportioned like something out of an old warner brothers cartoon. Honestly, if we do some even half ass scaling a round from a leman Russ would be like over a meter across and the tank could hold like 4 of them. Also who is gonna load the round into the breach?
So many vehicles need upgrades... please no more marines....
The Russ already got an update in 2008. I've got some bad news for you pal, it's meant to look like that.
I've long thought that the scaling of the battle cannon is stupid, but I'm so used to is as part of the aesthetic of the Russ that if they actually redid it to be more realistic I'd probably find it weird and jarring.
- The shape and overall design never appealed to me.
- In the game they're supposed to be these nigh-indestructible juggernauts, yet the models are covered in exposed wires, pipes, pistons/actuators etc. Not to mention that there are several vital joints that are completely exposed with no armour or protection.
Basically, they looks like half-finished prototypes. In some places, you've got all the armour (like the stupid turtle-shell top), but in others it's like they completely forgot to put the armour on when they assembled it.
- If they're armed with guns, then I struggle to understand the point of them over a regular tank - which would be more stable and far better armoured. If they're armed with swords then it just serves to highlight how stubby their arms are. It's like a T-Rex trying to threaten someone with a rapier.
I like the Leman Russ. That said... where does the breach go, and where do the commander's legs go? They volume where the breech should be intersects with the volume where the commander's legs should be.
I like in no particular order: Russes, Manticores, Basilisks, Exorcists, Medusae, Wyverns, Predators, Vindicators, Whirlwinds, Immolators, Chimerae, Land Raiders [but only if the sponsons are on the front doors. Rear-gun land raiders look weird and confuse me], Shadowsword, Baneblade, Stormblade, Stormlord, Glaive, Sicarin, Repressors, .... there's a theme here. As far as non-tanks that I like, I adore Seraphim, Battle Sisters, and Elysian Drop Troopers. I also like Grey Knight Strike Marines.
As far as models I dislike:
Teminators. I've said this before, but they're some butt-ugly models. Between the dog-heads, the hunchbackedness, and the fact that their heads are between their shoulders, they have basically no redeeming value. I would have said they're the worst models in the line, but Centurions are a thing. Terminators are definitely the ugliest models I own, though.
Onager Dunecrawler. I had hoped that the AdMech's support would be a cool tank, like a miniature version of the ordinatus or maybe a wider, squatter Krios, instead it's this weird spider-thing that looks like it's a sentinel with a gun taped to the side.
And speaking of Sentinels.... I don't like them. Walkers in general are stupid.
I also dislike the Taurox. I guess it's supposed to be like a half-track, but the track-wheels look too wierd.
Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote: I like the Leman Russ. That said... where does the breach go, and where do the commander's legs go? They volume where the breech should be intersects with the volume where the commander's legs should be.
Thank god for the FW alternate turrets, which almost look like you could fit the gun in it.
Love :- Almost everything Tyranid, but especially... LICTORS!
Even though they have fallen from the heights of pants-wettingly terrifing (2nd ed) to almost completely useless other than for filling out brigade slots, I still always find room for one or two as the concept and model are just sooo cool.
Terminators:- Deathwing player. Enough said.
Ork Kommandoes .. just soo full of character (my army never leaves home without Da Urty Duzun)
Hate:- Slanneshi Noise marines. Oh GW, how could you take one of the most weird and striking models in all of chaosdom and turn it into a glorified special weapons marine??
Now you troll me by releasing a one off model that just goes to prove how much better the originals are?!!!!!!!!
GAHHHHHHH!!!
White Dwarf 366, June 2010 wrote:
"What is interesting about the tanks of the 41st millennium," Dave (Andrews) says, leaning back in his chair and pointing to a nearby Leman Russ, "is that they're sci-fi vehicles, but unlike any you'll see elsewhere, take the Imperial Guard tanks. In truth they share more in common with a tank from the interwar period of the 20th century than they do a modern battle tank or anything 'futuristic'. They have curiously misshapen hulls, riveted armour plates and absolutely no aesthetic concession to the technological advances we have nowadays. Imperial Guard tanks don't even have proper, sloped armour and that is quite deliberate.
Their design spawns from the thought process of what a fundamentally 'backwards' tank would look like 38,000 years in the future in a place where technological understanding has collapsed and innovation is outlawed. The Imperium is archaic and backwards, clinging to the remnants of incredible technologies such as Plasma Cannons and Las weapons. The image is so exciting and unusual because these misunderstood innovations are embedded in fighting vehicles that make a modern tank look like a technical marvel."
I don't have a massive problem with the castellan, but I really hate a couple of things about it. The way the shin and knee armour merges into one is not great, I much prefer the standard knight style. Also, the way the shoulder pads join the carapace looks really blocky.
I quite like the standard knight, although I have mine painted up to be very heraldric.
ValentineGames wrote: That's an interesting way of saying "we had no idea what we were doing. So we copied the Lee/Grant and Char Bis and guessed the rest"
How is it like the Grant or the Charb1? It's got all around tracks, but that's about it.
It's obviously inspired by the MkIV with the hull shape, but all in all I generally feel like it's kind of sherman-inspired. It's got a fairly similar profile.
Also, just as a point, the glacis of the Leman Russ is actually sloped. While it's huge, and way too tall, it definitely has a sloped frontal plate.
Techpriestsupport wrote: I kinda hate the leman Russ tank. Sorry, but that barrell is proportioned like something out of an old warner brothers cartoon. Honestly, if we do some even half ass scaling a round from a leman Russ would be like over a meter across and the tank could hold like 4 of them. Also who is gonna load the round into the breach?
Fun fact, Imperial Armour internal diagram drawings show that the turret is basically uninhabitable as the gun breach takes all the room.
Techpriestsupport wrote: The best tank the imperium could have ripped off would have been the legendary T-34.
Personally, I think the Imperium's MBT should be modeled after the T-62. Modern enough so that it doesn't look utterly stupid, but old enough to retain the boxyness in design of the early tank models and look suitable to be considered an "old" tank. Plus the fuel drums on the back would have looked cool.
Techpriestsupport wrote: The best tank the imperium could have ripped off would have been the legendary T-34.
You mean overhyped, propaganda heavy, overated T-34 A tank with a lifespan measured in hours that apparently was revolutionary for inventing sloped armour and the panther copied...all BS
ValentineGames wrote: That's an interesting way of saying "we had no idea what we were doing. So we copied the Lee/Grant and Char Bis and guessed the rest"
How is it like the Grant or the Charb1? It's got all around tracks, but that's about it.
Small turret only big enough for 1 man = both.
Hull mounted large gun = both
Very low to ground hull sides = Char.
Flat sides = char.
Riveted construction = both.
Only reason it cannot be the MK.IV is because the IV needs sponsons and has no turret.
Leman doesn't need sponsons and must have turret.
Land raider however = MK.IV
If I wanted realistic tanks, I would play Flames of War. I'll take the "product of a drunken three-way between an old British Mark-V, a Char B1, and a T-34", which can run on wood, needs praying to work and cares little for the leg room of the turret crew. There is a reason that tank commanders tend to prefer sitting in the open air with swords, after all.
If Guard looked more like a modern military, they would be quite boring.
Well, both the model I will pick for love will also be the hate as well. Read on...
I love my plastic Venerable Contemptor dread for my Custodes. It so far has killed so many bug things in the club without being killed by them it's currently a meme. Standard dreads, a leviathan, a redemptor, hellbrures, crisis suits, and a carnifex have fallen at his heels. Marvelous model, and now cheaper in CA18!
BUT JESUS CHRIST IN A BIKE TO LLANDUDNO IT'S A MONOPOSE PLASTIC BLOCK. Literally it's apt nickname "rigor-Mortis contemptor" is apt. At least the FW version vmcan be posed, but the plastic kit, urgh.
Trickstick wrote: If I wanted realistic tanks, I would play Flames of War. I'll take the "product of a drunken three-way between an old British Mark-V, a Char B1, and a T-34", which can run on wood, needs praying to work and cares little for the leg room of the turret crew. There is a reason that tank commanders tend to prefer sitting in the open air with swords, after all.
If Guard looked more like a modern military, they would be quite boring.
IMO there's a difference between realism in the sense of "this is something a sensible engineer would design in 2018" and "doesn't fail at geometry". The LRBT should be archaic and probably poorly designed, but it should function. The turret should have a space for the gun to exist without intersecting with the commander's legs. The tracks should have more than 0.01" of ground clearance. Etc. This is why IMO the FW alternate turrets are so much better. It's still the same hopeless WWI-era mess, but by fixing the proportions it's a lot more plausible that the gun doesn't exist in the same space as the crew. Or even better, the Malcador is a beautiful mess of the best 1920s ideas but clearly has more space for the guns, tracks that could conceivably allow it to move, etc. You get the impression that yeah, it might be outclasses by a Hammerhead in every way, but at least it's capable of functioning.
ValentineGames wrote: In today's CrappaCrappa environment that would be classed as modeling for advantage or cheating
No idea what CrappaCrappa is...
Dimensions fit within 1" of the original Leman Russ and the barrel is as long as the FW's Vanquisher. Never met anyone who refused to play against it and I'm not going to tournaments as it's mostly nothing but cheesemonger's competition for smallest feefee, so... yeah.
A 100% clever and witty attempt to complain about how dakka has people that want to play a game of 40k by the rules and don't enjoy SCREW THE RULES BEER AND PRETZELS JSUT ROLL DICE OR WHATEVER games where any random house rule anyone can come up with is included.
I don't care how overpowered it is, I'm not buying one. Maybe I'll proxy something else as one if I have to, but JFC that model is awful.
It's a bit over the top in that image, in a plainer paint scheme it looks a lot better.
One personal favourite for me has to be the Thallax. Their rules are pretty crap but they make excellent proxies for anything that's T5 or higher on a larger base. Obliterators? Ogryns? Kataphrons? They can all be proxied with Thallax: strange weaponry? Check. Right base size and larger posture? Check. Jetpack representing Deep Strike or Fly? Check. Hefty chainblade? Check.
) and I keep using them. The closest thing is usually 
. Models look pretty awful too, with the possible exception of the ogryn bodyguard.
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