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Hate: Taurox. There’s wheel conversions, but I’m not dishing out MORE money to fix bad aesthetics.

Love: Riptide, Hammerhead and the various Eldar grav tanks. They’re great looking models even if they don’t perform optimally.

 vipoid wrote:

 Blackie wrote:
I don't like the official models of talos, flash gitz, painboy, weirdboyz and the big mek with SAG. I've made my own conversions of all of them because I love their concepts and rules.

If you don't mind me asking, what is it about the talos model that you don't like?

Also, do you have any pictures of your Talos conversion? I love seeing DE conversions.

I wondered about this as well. I really like the stock Talos.

Different strokes for different folks I guess.

DKoK Grenadiers, before they were Scions that couldn't deep strike now they're cheaper Scions that still can't ds and have less special weapons.

 Bobthehero wrote:
DKoK Grenadiers, before they were Scions that couldn't deep strike now they're cheaper Scions that still can't ds and have less special weapons.

In a similar way, I have always had my eye on a dkok engineer squad with drill. The rules on that thing have yoyoed so much.

Terminators, Dreadnoughts, Tactical Marines, and Land Raiders.

Land raiders are always bad.

Terminators have been bad since forever. But I do enjoy their models!

Love: Falcon Gravtank
Hate: Wraithknight

 Trickstick wrote:

 Bobthehero wrote:
DKoK Grenadiers, before they were Scions that couldn't deep strike now they're cheaper Scions that still can't ds and have less special weapons.

In a similar way, I have always had my eye on a dkok engineer squad with drill. The rules on that thing have yoyoed so much.

Oh yes, when I first fielded it, it was amazingly OP, now I dunno.

 Bobthehero wrote:

 Trickstick wrote:

 Bobthehero wrote:
DKoK Grenadiers, before they were Scions that couldn't deep strike now they're cheaper Scions that still can't ds and have less special weapons.

In a similar way, I have always had my eye on a dkok engineer squad with drill. The rules on that thing have yoyoed so much.

Oh yes, when I first fielded it, it was amazingly OP, now I dunno.

Now you sort of can't field it, because they broke the datacard. Don't worry, there is apparently some random facebook answer that lets you use it or something.

 Asherian Command wrote:
Terminators, Dreadnoughts, Tactical Marines, and Land Raiders.

Land raiders are always bad.

Terminators have been bad since forever. But I do enjoy their models!

Man, terminators rocked when I used to use them back in 5th edition. I'd frequently place pretty well at local tournaments (and took 7th at a 100 person GT once) with a Codex marines force, and my "hammer" unit was Assault Terminators in a Land Raider.

Tau Crisis Suits. They weren't bad for long, and they are pretty decent looking again, but man do I love them. I've been running Missilesides and Crisis Missile Pod squads since 8th, barrage of missiles all day.

From Eldar range:
Love:
- humble Guardians - I fell in love with them for their poseability when they premiered in 3rd but I actually had to wait 15 years of my hobby hiatus to actually field them. Now I try to "catch" this lost time whenever they suit my list.
- Wraithlords (and especially Wraithseer) this kit allows for such great dynamism it always look cool on the tabletop, especially dueling some other cool model
- Maugan Ra - for pure Eldar badassery incarnate, my favourite GW model of all time.

Hate:
- Wraithknight - just so out of line with the rest of wraith constructs... Legs and chest are especially ugly. But after seeing Andrew Hicks conversion I may try one day to come up with my own "salvage plan"
- Falcon chasis tank range - this is actually quite frustrating, as I LOVE "type two" FW upgraded ones (except turrets on Night Spinner/Fire Prism, it is still too large even with tail fin and the turret itself does not flow well with chasis IMHO). The frustrating bit is that FW won't bring back those upgrades and I was on hiatus when they were available. So the only way to get those parts is through Warp Hunters...

Thunderwolf Cavalry. They're a total joke in 8th edition but still some of my favorites.

Ooooh, don't get me started!
Models that I love despite rules:
Tactical marines (one of the loveliest plastic kits I've ever used)
Terminators
Centurions (listen, swap the heads for mk iii heads and they actually look great)

Really dislike the new nurgle range, but then paradoxically love only some elements of the plague marines kits. Same goes for the poxwalkers, which I've been systematically butchering lately...
I really like the scouts except the heads because they've got this goofy sameface that doesn't even match the rest of the marine line. Got a few 'cause Black Templars, and they're actually pretty fun to customize.

Quite like a fair bit of the Eldar/Dark Eldar range but god, if that finecast resin with those small details doesn't fill me with Khornate levels of rage...

I love the Skitarii infantry scultps, but painting them is such a labor that it almost puts me off doing any more.

From AdMech range:
Love:
- Ironstrider, for the pilot, such an awesome design idea!

Hate:
- Kastellan Robots - they are just ugly. I get the lore idea behind their design not corresponding to the rest of AdMech range, but it does not change the fact, that those are most toy-like GW designs out there.

Another one for "Hate the Taurox". It's a stupid looking model in and of itself, but doesn't really match the lines or visual of anything else in the army. The Taurox adds nothing to the army from a gameplay or fluff perspective, and tries to fill a role that the Chimera had already filled for over twenty years by the time of its introduction. There are just so many distinctly different reasons to hate on this thing. The model department that created it and manager who approved it at GW should feel bad. It even manages to cost more $$$ than the Chimera despite being a smaller model. Everything about it is just...awful.

That said, the Chimera redesign wasn't great either. The updated version has a silly looking taller boxy turret, and doesn't include the Vehicle Accessory Sprue, and costs more to boot. I have consciously gone out of my way not to buy any, despite owning 16 older style Chimeras.

On another note, the metal Thunderfire Cannon was probably among the worst GW models I ever had to assemble, but after that I actually rather like it.

 Vaktathi wrote:
On another note, the metal Thunderfire Cannon was probably among the worst GW models I ever had to assemble, but after that I actually rather like it.

You just reminded me about the bane of my modelling existence, the old metal landspeeder. Imagine a thunderfire cannon, which is supposed to go on a plastic flight stand...

 Trickstick wrote:

 Vaktathi wrote:
On another note, the metal Thunderfire Cannon was probably among the worst GW models I ever had to assemble, but after that I actually rather like it.

You just reminded me about the bane of my modelling existence, the old metal landspeeder. Imagine a thunderfire cannon, which is supposed to go on a plastic flight stand...

ooooh I have one in a box somewhere!

Those things are beasts

I love the look of terminators, and have ever since I was introduced to the game nearly 20 years ago. Only thing I don’t like about them skinny thighs.

I hate standard mini marines; assault marines are the absolute worst, but all mini marines have insanely twiggy thighs and most are posed like they’re trying to take a crap in the woods without leaning against a tree.

I also don’t care for Inceptors; too bulky and stupid looking and then GW expects you to attach them to flying sticks. No thanks. My DI trio is sitting in pieces in a box.

I love my kanz so much and initially wanted to make a kan wall/dread mob army but boy. Not getting clan traits for them was a kick in the you know what. Sure they dropped in points but even then they are just not worth it. A generalist unit with too few shots to make them gun platforms and too awful a WS to get them into combat makes for a decidedly meh unit.
Shame because the models are amazing and so is the lore for a walker army but alas. There is really no reason for me to take them unless I'm consistently stomping my opponent anyway.

As for dislike, I don't have the collection to really dislike any one model/unit but I was really disappointed by the new gunwagon. Instead of finally giving us the tank I wanted we get an overpriced piece of junk with a terrible BS 5+. New formation doesn't make them any better either. Why double range? This does absolutely nothing useful, just give me BS 4+ or more guns for the same price. Really sad to see shooty Battlewagons be trash.

Drop pods, just drop pods. I love the idea of the model and it's iconic roll in game and background but god are they a pain to put together. Get one little bit on one of the uprights or the center and the thing comes out deformed.

In the category of so ugly I struggle to understand:

Primaris Inceptor: You know what's cool? Seraphim Sisters. They are gun-fu specialist with wing pattern jetpacks. They are suppose to be super slick and agile. Space Marine should have some of those! Let's make them look like obese idiots with cumbersome oversized pistols and try to sell them as a slick and agile assault unit! Probably one of the worst model ever designed.

Space Marine Centurion: Lets put Space Marines in armors so heavy they will look like babies in winter suit!!

Dreadknight: the baby carrier. At least it makes some sense compared to Centurion.

Stormwolf/Stormfang: And they say ork planes aren't aerodynamic. These are flying rectangles.

Vanilla and Chaos Terminator: How can you fight in those things. That looks more like the sort of stuff de-mining teams would use. Combat engineer instead of elite assault troops? (the cataphractii look a lot better and so are the blightlords)

Genestealers: The cthullu mouth made them a little bit better, but overall they lack oomph, especially since they are suppose to be one of the most dangerous creature out there both thanks to their intelligence and their might.

Wyches: actually not all that bad. They are far too "masculine" looking. They need more elegance and grace and less of an Esher style.

In the category of absolutly awesome

Wracks: They...look...scary as...****

Ork Nobz: Badass looking. Lots of options and little doodads for personalisation. Easy to assemble. cheap box. what's not to like!

Scorpions: very cool design, especially the Exarch with a biting blade, cool helmets. I weep for them in plastic since my three squad in metal got damaged while moving :( (special mention for the Dire Avengers too, but they need more swords)

Crimson Hunter: the exact opposite of the Stromfang.

Carnifex: Like nobz, but for Tyranids. Make sure to use the extra decoration bits for an impressive specimen. (special mention for the Tyranid Warriors who are about just as cool)

Stormsurge: A giant robots with missile packs... my favorites. (special mention for the XV 88 and the Ghostkeel)

Fire Warrior breacher Team: probably the most well posed infantry unit with a cool looking heavy armor and a nice gun.

Skitarii Rangers and Vanguard: more human looking than guardsmen thanks to nice proportion and a great design for an electro-steam punk soldiers.

Special mention for the Sisters of Battle squad and Seraphim who while fairly good will probably by mental once they are updated.

epronovost wrote:
Vanilla and Chaos Terminator: How can you fight in those things. That looks more like the sort of stuff de-mining teams would use. Combat engineer instead of elite assault troops? (the cataphractii look a lot better and so are the blightlords)

They sort of are. Terminator armour was originally used for servicing reactor cores. There is actually a lot of that sort of thing in the Imperium. The Leman Russ was originally some sort of tractor.

 Trickstick wrote:

epronovost wrote:
Vanilla and Chaos Terminator: How can you fight in those things. That looks more like the sort of stuff de-mining teams would use. Combat engineer instead of elite assault troops? (the cataphractii look a lot better and so are the blightlords)

They sort of are. Terminator armour was originally used for servicing reactor cores. There is actually a lot of that sort of thing in the Imperium. The Leman Russ was originally some sort of tractor.

I know, they should have kept using them in such a fashion. I like the concept of a "utility unit". In the same vein, many Leman Russ variant look really bad because the cannon looks absurdly large compared to the rest of the hull. Demolishers, Punishers and Exterminator don't look that bad though. In the same vein, I forgot the Taurox ridiculous threads. Weels would have been som much better.

You said Leman Russ was a tractor of sorts, and now all I can think of is that it came from this.

 Sir Heckington wrote:
You said Leman Russ was a tractor of sorts, and now all I can think of is that it came from this.

How dare you ridicule the sacred STC for the invincile beast of absolute destruction!?

I hate any model that stabs me.

I love the ones where i can swap the heads around easily.

I hate chaos cultists. I think they don't work as intended in the Chaos marine book and their models are pretty much nonexistent right now. I can't even convert up cultist models because there's no good source of laspistols or autopistols in GW model form. They frustrate me on a hundred different levels and I doubt that a new kit will improve them. I honestly hope they just get nerfed out of existence.

I LOVE Helbrutes. They're one of the coolest kits that have ever come out, super easy to magnetize and such. Rules? Well, GW seems to want us to buy dreadnoughts since they keep making them, but they refuse to give those dreadnoughts and dreadnought-like models decent rules, so...

Dreadknights. Every GK Codex becomes progressively more and more Codex: Dreadknight, yet the day I put a Terminator in a papoose on the field and say "Yes, this is a model I spent time and energy building and painting" is the day I check into a mental hospital of my own accord because I've clearly taken leave of my senses. Also because spending enough time looking at that model to finish painting one will have caused my brain to ooze out my ears.

 NoiseMarine with Tinnitus wrote:
Wolfen - seiously, breakdancing trogladytes. Fething stupid model design.

Murderfang - just no! Stop it with the wolf fetish.

Logan Claus - just wtf?

Khorne Berzerkers kit (all of it) - has aged appallingly. More likely to incapacitate the foe through fits of hilarity than inspire terror.

Rievers - cosplay Night Lords

Incesstors (or whatever those Primaris jump pack troops are) - that design must have gotten signed off at 2am after a heavy session in Bugman's

Santa Logan would have been cool if he was like a Christmas exclusive model, that was just a variant to the real one.

Absolutely love seeing anything using a Power Lance/Spear/pointy thing on a stick and its a shame that history's most common melee weapon isn't very commonly represented in 40k. Absolutely love my Vanguad Vets with spears and have zero hesitation with fielding due to how awesome they look. Also something that is sorely lacking are models using shields which again where extremely common defensive tools and yet they rarely see use outside of SS Terminators and maybe on some elite melee space marine units (vanguard vets, thunder cav, etc). Of course chainswords are the most common and iconic 40k melee weapon but by far the most common "special" melee weapon are some type of power sword. The Space Marine line in particular is loaded to the brim with Power Sword bits with almost no axes, mauls, flails, spear/lance, or even big two handed outside of the thunder hammer. For all the hate that Grey Knights and Space Wolves attract, they at least have some decent model variety for melee weapon types.

Absolutely hate Gulliman due the look of the model (its Joffery from GoTs), the impact of bringing back non daemon Primarchs back into 40k, the fluff associated with his return (so much heresy), and him being the center piece for the even more Ultramarine-centric direction GW is taking the fluff. Zero chance ill ever own that model regardless of his rules.