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 Techpriestsupport wrote:
I kinda hate the leman Russ tank. Sorry, but that barrell is proportioned like something out of an old warner brothers cartoon. Honestly, if we do some even half ass scaling a round from a leman Russ would be like over a meter across and the tank could hold like 4 of them. Also who is gonna load the round into the breach?

So many vehicles need upgrades... please no more marines....

 Asherian Command wrote:

epronovost wrote:
I personnaly use these guys as Khorne Berserkers. My only problem with them is that they make my Kharn look like kind off like a wimp.

Spoiler:

Honestly those should be a 40k equailvent they look so badass you just put bolters on them and call em skull takers as Angron's personal army
the old berserker models are great.... 20 years ago

Frankly, the entire Warrior of Chaos range from Warhammer Fantasy puts the Chaos Space Marine line to shame in terms of badass dark warriors.

 Techpriestsupport wrote:
Ok since a lot of people seem to hate lords of skuills let's see why...



Hmmm, yeah. Just make a knight already. Is this a gw or forgeworld model? And does it have termagant heads on the sides?

I know i'm late, but if you build it that way, yeah, but if you dont! PS its not done being painted lol.

Edit: I did it with the Kit, i didnt use any piece outside of the kit



Back for those that want to see how i did it

 Nithaniel wrote:
I really hate the Beasts of Nurgle models both old and new. So much so that I bought the AOS fellwater troggoths and am planning to do a little converting and have them standing on cork rocks to give a little more height.

Using river trolls? That's a really great idea. I was thinking of making a creepy green stuff slug but I might steal this idea instead.

This steaming pile of



I don't care how overpowered it is, I'm not buying one. Maybe I'll proxy something else as one if I have to, but JFC that model is awful.

 Techpriestsupport wrote:
I kinda hate the leman Russ tank. Sorry, but that barrell is proportioned like something out of an old warner brothers cartoon. Honestly, if we do some even half ass scaling a round from a leman Russ would be like over a meter across and the tank could hold like 4 of them. Also who is gonna load the round into the breach?

What's scary is I got some Meng Toon Tanks from a mate for Xmas. The King Tiger has better proportions than the russ. Is 1/3rd the price and despite the cartoon scaling still looks better.

 Peregrine wrote:


I don't care how overpowered it is, I'm not buying one. Maybe I'll proxy something else as one if I have to, but JFC that model is awful.

Yeah all knights are awful, but this specific dude is one of the ugliest miniatures ever produced by GW.

I don't play tau but even I think the hammerhead tank is the best looking vehicle in 40k...

 Asherian Command wrote:

 Techpriestsupport wrote:
I kinda hate the leman Russ tank. Sorry, but that barrell is proportioned like something out of an old warner brothers cartoon. Honestly, if we do some even half ass scaling a round from a leman Russ would be like over a meter across and the tank could hold like 4 of them. Also who is gonna load the round into the breach?

So many vehicles need upgrades... please no more marines....

The Russ already got an update in 2008. I've got some bad news for you pal, it's meant to look like that.

So it's meant to look stupid. OK.

 Techpriestsupport wrote:
So it's meant to look stupid. OK.

I've long thought that the scaling of the battle cannon is stupid, but I'm so used to is as part of the aesthetic of the Russ that if they actually redid it to be more realistic I'd probably find it weird and jarring.

I've always hated Imperial Knights.

- The shape and overall design never appealed to me.

- In the game they're supposed to be these nigh-indestructible juggernauts, yet the models are covered in exposed wires, pipes, pistons/actuators etc. Not to mention that there are several vital joints that are completely exposed with no armour or protection.

Basically, they looks like half-finished prototypes. In some places, you've got all the armour (like the stupid turtle-shell top), but in others it's like they completely forgot to put the armour on when they assembled it.

- If they're armed with guns, then I struggle to understand the point of them over a regular tank - which would be more stable and far better armoured. If they're armed with swords then it just serves to highlight how stubby their arms are. It's like a T-Rex trying to threaten someone with a rapier.

I like the Leman Russ. That said... where does the breach go, and where do the commander's legs go? They volume where the breech should be intersects with the volume where the commander's legs should be.

I like in no particular order: Russes, Manticores, Basilisks, Exorcists, Medusae, Wyverns, Predators, Vindicators, Whirlwinds, Immolators, Chimerae, Land Raiders [but only if the sponsons are on the front doors. Rear-gun land raiders look weird and confuse me], Shadowsword, Baneblade, Stormblade, Stormlord, Glaive, Sicarin, Repressors, .... there's a theme here. As far as non-tanks that I like, I adore Seraphim, Battle Sisters, and Elysian Drop Troopers. I also like Grey Knight Strike Marines.

As far as models I dislike:
Teminators. I've said this before, but they're some butt-ugly models. Between the dog-heads, the hunchbackedness, and the fact that their heads are between their shoulders, they have basically no redeeming value. I would have said they're the worst models in the line, but Centurions are a thing. Terminators are definitely the ugliest models I own, though.
Onager Dunecrawler. I had hoped that the AdMech's support would be a cool tank, like a miniature version of the ordinatus or maybe a wider, squatter Krios, instead it's this weird spider-thing that looks like it's a sentinel with a gun taped to the side.
And speaking of Sentinels.... I don't like them. Walkers in general are stupid.
I also dislike the Taurox. I guess it's supposed to be like a half-track, but the track-wheels look too wierd.

 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:
I like the Leman Russ. That said... where does the breach go, and where do the commander's legs go? They volume where the breech should be intersects with the volume where the commander's legs should be.

Thank god for the FW alternate turrets, which almost look like you could fit the gun in it.

Love :- Almost everything Tyranid, but especially... LICTORS!
Even though they have fallen from the heights of pants-wettingly terrifing (2nd ed) to almost completely useless other than for filling out brigade slots, I still always find room for one or two as the concept and model are just sooo cool.

Terminators:- Deathwing player. Enough said.

Ork Kommandoes .. just soo full of character (my army never leaves home without Da Urty Duzun)

Hate:- Slanneshi Noise marines. Oh GW, how could you take one of the most weird and striking models in all of chaosdom and turn it into a glorified special weapons marine??
Now you troll me by releasing a one off model that just goes to prove how much better the originals are?!!!!!!!!
GAHHHHHHH!!!

 Techpriestsupport wrote:
So it's meant to look stupid. OK.

From GW themselves

White Dwarf 366, June 2010 wrote:
"What is interesting about the tanks of the 41st millennium," Dave (Andrews) says, leaning back in his chair and pointing to a nearby Leman Russ, "is that they're sci-fi vehicles, but unlike any you'll see elsewhere, take the Imperial Guard tanks. In truth they share more in common with a tank from the interwar period of the 20th century than they do a modern battle tank or anything 'futuristic'. They have curiously misshapen hulls, riveted armour plates and absolutely no aesthetic concession to the technological advances we have nowadays. Imperial Guard tanks don't even have proper, sloped armour and that is quite deliberate.

Their design spawns from the thought process of what a fundamentally 'backwards' tank would look like 38,000 years in the future in a place where technological understanding has collapsed and innovation is outlawed. The Imperium is archaic and backwards, clinging to the remnants of incredible technologies such as Plasma Cannons and Las weapons. The image is so exciting and unusual because these misunderstood innovations are embedded in fighting vehicles that make a modern tank look like a technical marvel."

That's an interesting way of saying "we had no idea what we were doing. So we copied the Lee/Grant and Char Bis and guessed the rest"

 Peregrine wrote:
This steaming pile of



I don't care how overpowered it is, I'm not buying one. Maybe I'll proxy something else as one if I have to, but JFC that model is awful.

HAHAHAHAH!!!! How many people bought that piece of junk!!

I don't have a massive problem with the castellan, but I really hate a couple of things about it. The way the shin and knee armour merges into one is not great, I much prefer the standard knight style. Also, the way the shoulder pads join the carapace looks really blocky.

I quite like the standard knight, although I have mine painted up to be very heraldric.

If you read my list, I refuse to play knights in general. Give me anything but that.

ValentineGames wrote:
That's an interesting way of saying "we had no idea what we were doing. So we copied the Lee/Grant and Char Bis and guessed the rest"

How is it like the Grant or the Charb1? It's got all around tracks, but that's about it.

It's obviously inspired by the MkIV with the hull shape, but all in all I generally feel like it's kind of sherman-inspired. It's got a fairly similar profile.



Also, just as a point, the glacis of the Leman Russ is actually sloped. While it's huge, and way too tall, it definitely has a sloped frontal plate.

 Techpriestsupport wrote:
I kinda hate the leman Russ tank. Sorry, but that barrell is proportioned like something out of an old warner brothers cartoon. Honestly, if we do some even half ass scaling a round from a leman Russ would be like over a meter across and the tank could hold like 4 of them. Also who is gonna load the round into the breach?

Fun fact, Imperial Armour internal diagram drawings show that the turret is basically uninhabitable as the gun breach takes all the room.

The best tank the imperium could have ripped off would have been the legendary T-34.

 Techpriestsupport wrote:
The best tank the imperium could have ripped off would have been the legendary T-34.

Personally, I think the Imperium's MBT should be modeled after the T-62. Modern enough so that it doesn't look utterly stupid, but old enough to retain the boxyness in design of the early tank models and look suitable to be considered an "old" tank. Plus the fuel drums on the back would have looked cool.

 Techpriestsupport wrote:
The best tank the imperium could have ripped off would have been the legendary T-34.

You mean overhyped, propaganda heavy, overated T-34
A tank with a lifespan measured in hours that apparently was revolutionary for inventing sloped armour and the panther copied...all BS

 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:

ValentineGames wrote:
That's an interesting way of saying "we had no idea what we were doing. So we copied the Lee/Grant and Char Bis and guessed the rest"

How is it like the Grant or the Charb1? It's got all around tracks, but that's about it.

Small turret only big enough for 1 man = both.
Hull mounted large gun = both
Very low to ground hull sides = Char.
Flat sides = char.
Riveted construction = both.

Only reason it cannot be the MK.IV is because the IV needs sponsons and has no turret.
Leman doesn't need sponsons and must have turret.
Land raider however = MK.IV

If I wanted realistic tanks, I would play Flames of War. I'll take the "product of a drunken three-way between an old British Mark-V, a Char B1, and a T-34", which can run on wood, needs praying to work and cares little for the leg room of the turret crew. There is a reason that tank commanders tend to prefer sitting in the open air with swords, after all.

If Guard looked more like a modern military, they would be quite boring.

 Trickstick wrote:
...which can run on wood, needs praying to work and cares little for the leg room of the turret crew.

Think about commander's crotch. Hope the tank has a recoiless cannon.

 Techpriestsupport wrote:
So it's meant to look stupid. OK.

There is an easy fix for that problem. A simple barrel swap is sufficient, but feel free to be inspired entierly. (1/48)

In today's CrappaCrappa environment that would be classed as modeling for advantage or cheating

Well, both the model I will pick for love will also be the hate as well. Read on...

I love my plastic Venerable Contemptor dread for my Custodes. It so far has killed so many bug things in the club without being killed by them it's currently a meme. Standard dreads, a leviathan, a redemptor, hellbrures, crisis suits, and a carnifex have fallen at his heels. Marvelous model, and now cheaper in CA18!

BUT JESUS CHRIST IN A BIKE TO LLANDUDNO IT'S A MONOPOSE PLASTIC BLOCK. Literally it's apt nickname "rigor-Mortis contemptor" is apt. At least the FW version vmcan be posed, but the plastic kit, urgh.

 Trickstick wrote:
If I wanted realistic tanks, I would play Flames of War. I'll take the "product of a drunken three-way between an old British Mark-V, a Char B1, and a T-34", which can run on wood, needs praying to work and cares little for the leg room of the turret crew. There is a reason that tank commanders tend to prefer sitting in the open air with swords, after all.

If Guard looked more like a modern military, they would be quite boring.

IMO there's a difference between realism in the sense of "this is something a sensible engineer would design in 2018" and "doesn't fail at geometry". The LRBT should be archaic and probably poorly designed, but it should function. The turret should have a space for the gun to exist without intersecting with the commander's legs. The tracks should have more than 0.01" of ground clearance. Etc. This is why IMO the FW alternate turrets are so much better. It's still the same hopeless WWI-era mess, but by fixing the proportions it's a lot more plausible that the gun doesn't exist in the same space as the crew. Or even better, the Malcador is a beautiful mess of the best 1920s ideas but clearly has more space for the guns, tracks that could conceivably allow it to move, etc. You get the impression that yeah, it might be outclasses by a Hammerhead in every way, but at least it's capable of functioning.