What if you had to start again from scratch? Do you re-create something similar to what you lost, or do you treat it as an opportunity to try something new?

If my home is burned, they I trouble so deep, that stuff like models or w40k don't matter. when the house that my great grandfather burned down durning the last war, it took my family 62 years to fully rebuild it.

I'd probably start replacing valuables and stuff I actually need. And recollect what I have now minus the Space Marine factions because GW did a great job of killing my desire to play them.

Lots of tears.


Then I dunno. It might actually give me the inspiration to get my Tyranids restarted from the ground up with fresh models.

However at the same time it would also be very crushing as I've had a good year building up a lot of models so seeing all that gone (stolen/burned/however) would be a massive moral blow.

I'd probably lose a lot of motivation all told and probably spend some time away from the hobby or slow growing a very small force.



That and if the insurance money was enough I might end up blowing it all on a new camera or lens instead. At least they would give me more instant satisfaction; especially since I know from prior experience that simply buying a HUGE number of models in one go can backfire and bury one under too much plastic to find motivation to know where to start.

I have rebuilt a army completely from scratch b.c of a fire (the fire of Fantasy rules) dur dur dur.

But for real i sold my 5th-8th Beastmen army when AoS 1.0 came out, they already was a bad army and lost 9/10 games, but then they made them into 4 different armys that didnt work together and removed all the characters, made them even worst. So i sold it.

When the new BoC book came out about a year ago for AOS 2.0, i rebought it all. And i was HAPPIER doing that, i'm a much better painter and hobiest, and was able to repaint them how i wanted now.

Being i only have 1/3 of my models in my house, and the others are spread out at 4 locations It would be rather unlikely.

I would probably be Rather devastated. I have an Inyanden army that has i think ever army box since 3rd edition. At least 60 wraithguard.
And my new kill team is all custom built and sitting ready for paint, spent a month putting them all together from kits all over the net D:
My warmachine would be imposible to replace easy, with loads of the old metal stuff.

Infinity. I not even sure about replacing those.
I have some out of production stuff as well that could be close to impossible to replace at this point.

Then i have all the custom stuff, since asuming its all the houses. Then the files are gone at my friends place with all the custom minis as well D:

Terrain is the real hit, That takes so much time to accumulate

Karol wrote:
If my home is burned, they I trouble so deep, that stuff like models or w40k don't matter. when the house that my great grandfather burned down durning the last war, it took my family 62 years to fully rebuild it.

Right, but surely you realize the house fire is an abstract thing. It could also be a car crash or theft. Anything that results in the loss of your models.

If I lose all my models, I don't think I'll try to rebuild my collection. You can't replace a decade, it just wouldn't feel right. I'd rather go to another system and start anew. I will be really upset though, as a lot of time went into those models.
Besides, if my models go due to a disaster, then other things probably went as well. I'd be too busy trying to salvage that than worry about warhammer.

-Guardsman- wrote:

Karol wrote:
If my home is burned, they I trouble so deep, that stuff like models or w40k don't matter. when the house that my great grandfather burned down durning the last war, it took my family 62 years to fully rebuild it.

Right, but surely you realize the house fire is an abstract thing. It could also be a car crash or theft. Anything that results in the loss of your models.

Not sure if your "house went on fire, models went with it" example necessarily covers all loss of models case.

If such catastrophic event happened to me, 40k would be the last of my worries. If I'm rebuilding my livelyhood grounds up, probably not. If it was a theft, and all of other things in life were in order, I'd probably start a new collection.

Now, if your question is actually "if you were given an opportunity to rebuild/re-pick up wargaming hobby, would that be a 40k collection to replace the one I lost," maybe not.

If mine all went, i’m out. There’s no way i’m repainting everything.

This has literally happened to me twice. First one was the case of a house fire. The second case was crazy ex girlfriend only a couple years ago. First time it was just 3000ish points of Necrons, but crazy ex girlfriend destroyed 4000 points of Necrons and a mix of basically 6000 points of Space Marines, possibly more. This is why I bring up financial investment in the game for armies.

I am just slowly rebuilding. I'm lucky enough that I got some buddies that let me borrow models because I still don't have a lot built due to the new job.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
This has literally happened to me twice. First one was the case of a house fire. The second case was crazy ex girlfriend only a couple years ago. First time it was just 3000ish points of Necrons, but crazy ex girlfriend destroyed 4000 points of Necrons and a mix of basically 6000 points of Space Marines, possibly more. This is why I bring up financial investment in the game for armies.

I am just slowly rebuilding. I'm lucky enough that I got some buddies that let me borrow models because I still don't have a lot built due to the new job.

Sorry to hear about that...that gak sounds rough.

If I lost all my models I can't see myself buying more.

I wouldn't be able to replace all the conversions I've made over the years, and I doubt I'd have the heart to try and make them again.

I'd use the insurance money for other things, and probably only pick up stuff for other smaller games.

 Daedalus81 wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
This has literally happened to me twice. First one was the case of a house fire. The second case was crazy ex girlfriend only a couple years ago. First time it was just 3000ish points of Necrons, but crazy ex girlfriend destroyed 4000 points of Necrons and a mix of basically 6000 points of Space Marines, possibly more. This is why I bring up financial investment in the game for armies.

I am just slowly rebuilding. I'm lucky enough that I got some buddies that let me borrow models because I still don't have a lot built due to the new job.

Sorry to hear about that...that gak sounds rough.

She's locked up in a mental facility and that's all that matters!

It's also why I impulsively bought 3 copies of Prospero and 1 copy of Calth and am still looking for more. Then I scavenge whatever I can from FW for extra bits of weapons. I definitely need more of them Combi-Bolters that came with the Headhunters! They make better Storm Bolters than Storm Bolters.

If I lost everything, I’d go down to a bare minimum army to restart. Hedonites of Slaanesh, 4 Keeper models, 3 units of Hellstriders and 2 Start Collecting boxes. And that would be it. Few hundred bucks, but i wouldn’t rebuy everything.

I might start collecting specialist games, since those interest me but I want to continue collecting admech as well. The effect of having to start again would probably be the thing that switched me.

Karol wrote:
If my home is burned, they I trouble so deep, that stuff like models or w40k don't matter. when the house that my great grandfather burned down durning the last war, it took my family 62 years to fully rebuild it.

Why do you do this to nearly every thread you're in?

Emotionally it would be devastating. Some of these minis I've had for 40+ years, and the ones I painted in HS/college were usually my better work. (My vision was always poor, but now its worse and I can't make out the fine details any more).

Assuming I can get past the depression, I'd not start any armies. Probably just do Frostgrave since that is small and economical. Maybe, just maybe build 1 army for Kings of War.

In any case, I've just come to the realization that I need to stop buying armies. I have seven large armies for different game systems in various stages of completion and I'm middle-aged. I may not live long enough to complete them. Now I have to sort out what I think I can complete and actually finish one or two of them.

However, I've also been in this hobby long enough to know that something will catch my fancy, and I will buy it. Just need to try to keep it small, not another 250+ figure army.

I'd do a little meta chasing at first, and then settle into an army. This is assuming I get paid out through insurance for my lost fortune such that I now have thousands of dollars to spend on new models.

Probably a blessing in disguise for me. I love playing miniature wargames, however the price is really a drag sometimes, and I seem to have a problem with buying stuff because it's cool and then never using it. If I lost everything in a fire, I would probably use the insurance check to replace important stuff, and then just go back to video games as my primary hobby. Maybe pick up a couple of miniature games down the road if I ever found a tight group to play with or had kids that wanted to try.

40k isn't the top of game systems I'd replace an army for, but I'd probably rebuild largely as is, but a little more focused on only buying units as I paint and play them. Probably wait for a new DW update and build from there.

Start rebuilding the same army again. I wouldn't do anything different about it.

Whoof, that’d suck - I have minis for a lot of other games beside 40K.

I doubt I would replace my 40K models. I would more consider it to be a relief to be free of too many minis. If I did try to rebuild, it would probably be one army, and I’d buy it already built and painted. Most likely Tau.

To me, though, a bigger loss would be all the RPG books - and my computer files, moreso than the miniatures. I’d be more likely to replace that first, before any models.

same faction, new colors.

Started Ultramarines in 1998 I think. Been a solid army throughout the years, but a few editions had SW/BA/other marine faction be on top, and I just use their codex with my models.

If I were to start over I'd pick a unique paint scheme that can fit imperial AND chaos space marines, and maybe have a Grey Knight spin-off that doesn't look out of place. Not blue though, I'm pretty done with blue. Not sure what color I'd go though.

 Carnage43 wrote:
Not blue though, I'm pretty done with blue. Not sure what color I'd go though.

Maybe a steel blue? Could go ultras, iron hands, Grey knights or iron hands that way

That's a tough call.

Pre-Marine-Codex-2.0 I'd have been torn between the gaming-hipster impulse to buy back just the Primaris stuff (and maybe Centurions...) and the practical impulse to cash out. Post-Marine-Codex-2.0 I'm still torn between buying just the Primaris stuff and cashing out, but now the gaming-hipster impulse is to buy Slannesh Daemons or Custodes instead.

I'd focus on replacing other stuff first, It'd proably be a few years before I touched gaming products again.

BrianDavion wrote:
I'd focus on replacing other stuff first, It'd proably be a few years before I touched gaming products again.

My wife went through a house fire, they bought a new SNES, VHS player and some movies , she and her parents said it really helped with the stress oh having nothing. So it might be good to at least start with a small force (something like 500pts).

I scratch built 80% of my vehicles and converted 90% of my dudes, and my neighbour very very nearly burnt our house down. Almost had this very situation to deal with.

I’d never be able to rebuild everything, would be irreplaceable.

-Guardsman- wrote:

Karol wrote:
If my home is burned, they I trouble so deep, that stuff like models or w40k don't matter. when the house that my great grandfather burned down durning the last war, it took my family 62 years to fully rebuild it.

Right, but surely you realize the house fire is an abstract thing. It could also be a car crash or theft. Anything that results in the loss of your models.

I am not very good at the abstract thing. The question was about house fires. Most houses where I live are at leat partially wooden. If there is a fire then nothing is left save for the spout. maybe the oven, if someone still has a brick one, but most no longer have those. But if it was a car that burned, then it is the same thing. Cars cost a lot of money, and you can't just buy them back. So if my moms car burned down, we would have much bigger problems them me not having models to play with. As this would mean someone would have to pick my mom up to work etc.

Why do you do this to nearly every thread you're in?

I don't understand your question, because am not sure what I do in every thread I write, besides writing, but I don't think your asking why I write, when I write, because that would make no sense. You have to be more specific.

Karol wrote:

-Guardsman- wrote:

Karol wrote:
If my home is burned, they I trouble so deep, that stuff like models or w40k don't matter. when the house that my great grandfather burned down durning the last war, it took my family 62 years to fully rebuild it.

Right, but surely you realize the house fire is an abstract thing. It could also be a car crash or theft. Anything that results in the loss of your models.

I am not very good at the abstract thing. The question was about house fires. Most houses where I live are at leat partially wooden. If there is a fire then nothing is left save for the spout. maybe the oven, if someone still has a brick one, but most no longer have those. But if it was a car that burned, then it is the same thing. Cars cost a lot of money, and you can't just buy them back. So if my moms car burned down, we would have much bigger problems them me not having models to play with. As this would mean someone would have to pick my mom up to work etc.

Yes, but you seem to have missed the forest for the trees here: it's not *specifically* about house fires. It's about the hypothetical of "if you lost all your models, what would you do". This question would fundamentally be the same if it were "a burglar breaks in and steals all your models, what do you do", or "your models are sucked into a miniature black hole, what would you do" - the important part isn't the fire, but the simple act of your models being gone.

Basically, the house isn't the important part of this hypothetical, because obviously everyone would be more bothered about their place of shelter being destroyed than their models (I imagine), but that's just there to frame the main question "if you had to start your hobby again from scratch, how would you do it?".

Hope that clears that up.

Why do you do this to nearly every thread you're in?

I don't understand your question, because am not sure what I do in every thread I write, besides writing, but I don't think your asking why I write, when I write, because that would make no sense. You have to be more specific.

I believe it is referring more to the non-abstract style, which for threads like this, just misses the point of the question.

That's tough. It would probably kill "competitive" play for me and for a while I'd just focus on painting/collecting.

But eventually I'd probably get some DW Marines, specifically all Primaris

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I'd just do it all over again. Maybe do some more cost-effective purchases (ie, buying no Rhinos, but buying Razorbacks instead), but I'd want to build back up to what I had. Battle Companies, infantry platoons, artillery companies, and kill teams galore.

Yes, but you seem to have missed the forest for the trees here: it's not *specifically* about house fires.

most houses where I live are made of wood. only the spout is out of concret, and if someone has an old ove/chimney then it is made out of brick. But even flats in big buildings have wooden floors, wallpapers glued to the walls, and a ton of other flamable stuff. We have a fire fighters in almost every bigger village or town because of that. Plus if your home starts to burn, the whole village can start to burn very fast. It happened durning war to my place. half the village burned down over 40 buildings went down in one night.

Basically, the house isn't the important part of this hypothetical, because obviously everyone would be more bothered about their place of shelter being destroyed than their models (I imagine), but that's just there to frame the main question "if you had to start your hobby again from scratch, how would you do it?".

Well the question in the thread was "you lose all your models in a house fire". So unless house fire means something else in english, then it does here. I have no idea how anyone could think that a question of what would you do an X, suddenly becomes a hypothetical one, where fire isn't really real.

If the question was what would I do, if I lost my models, and had to start from zero, I probably wouldn't, because I can't afford to buy a second army.

I believe it is referring more to the non-abstract style, which for threads like this, just misses the point of the question.

yes, I am not very good at those things in any language. I like simple yes/no stuff the most, but it is hard to communicate like that. abstract stuff is just uneeded and confusing to me. That is why I like sports. Zero confusion or abstraction when someone arm lock your and puts you to sleep.

I would not have the time to repaint them all before my time is up.

So I guess it would be goodbye to the hobby.

CB

I've lived this scenario, kind of...

I came of working age during the dot.com bubble. My income went up above anything my parents had made, then suddenly crashed and I found myself stocking frozen food in a local department store. Later I rebuilt my career and made it up to management in the biggest company in town! And then that company went under, and I spent a very hungry summer in a small town trying to find anything comparable. I bounced back of course, and then was diagnosed with cancer just after adding two children to my family size...

Each time, my 40k collection was liquidated to the Ebay gods to pay another electric bill, or buy another week's groceries, until things got better.

And, each time, I've eventually bought a cool new starter set... and then a few more units to go with the marines, and then some used stuff on Ebay to expand on that... And wound right back where I started, just with different armies.

So, here's to the armies that came and went between 1997 and now:

Ultramarines
2nd Edition Style Goff Ork army
Catachan Imperial Guard army
Rogue Trader minis Imperial Guard army
Cadian Imperial Guard Army
Cadian Imperial Guard Army again.
Sisters of Battle army.
World Eaters Chaos Space marine army
Black Legion Chaos Space marine army
Commander Farsight Tau army
3rd edition Ork army
Numerous Epic armies.
A Battlefleet Gothic collection of Imperial and Chaos ships
Nurgle demon army.
Blood Angel army.
Beginnings of a Knight army (Only had bought one when it had to go)
Stormcast Eternals Vanguard army
Free Peoples army
Adeptus Titanicus Astorum maniple.
Another large Ork army.
A different Blood Angel army.
A goblin spider rider army
A Khorne Bloodbound army

I think... Yeah, I think that's everything. I must be forgetting something I had along the way.

But, I've bought it, I've lost it, I've replaced it. I'm alive, employed, my wife and daughters are wonderful.

And I have a finished World Eaters army, in a case, ready to hit the field whenever I have time to actually play again.

Karol wrote:

-Guardsman- wrote:

Karol wrote:
If my home is burned, they I trouble so deep, that stuff like models or w40k don't matter. when the house that my great grandfather burned down durning the last war, it took my family 62 years to fully rebuild it.

Right, but surely you realize the house fire is an abstract thing. It could also be a car crash or theft. Anything that results in the loss of your models.

I am not very good at the abstract thing. The question was about house fires. Most houses where I live are at leat partially wooden. If there is a fire then nothing is left save for the spout. maybe the oven, if someone still has a brick one, but most no longer have those. But if it was a car that burned, then it is the same thing. Cars cost a lot of money, and you can't just buy them back. So if my moms car burned down, we would have much bigger problems them me not having models to play with. As this would mean someone would have to pick my mom up to work etc.

I think in this case its safe to imagine that, the car wasnt there. Sure, there's all the other horrible stuff, but if by chance the House fire only destroyed where you kept your models, what would you do?

Why do you do this to nearly every thread you're in?

I don't understand your question, because am not sure what I do in every thread I write, besides writing, but I don't think your asking why I write, when I write, because that would make no sense. You have to be more specific.

I think he means take everything so literally, but you answered that in the first part of the post, you arent good at the abstract.

Picturing Mel Gibson in Braveheart, "FREEDOM!!!"

If I lost it all ? I'd probably just walk away at that point. Way too much time and money put into it. Some things you just need to let go and that would be it for me for warhammer even though it's been a long run.

I would re-build some of my other games, but not 40K. I'd let that die. I'm no longer actively buying 40K anyway. I have two completely painted sizable armies, but I'm not following 40K forward.

 carldooley wrote:
Picturing Mel Gibson in Braveheart, "FREEDOM!!!"

As your intestines are pulled out. . . which sounds about right.

 Amishprn86 wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
I'd focus on replacing other stuff first, It'd proably be a few years before I touched gaming products again.

My wife went through a house fire, they bought a new SNES, VHS player and some movies , she and her parents said it really helped with the stress oh having nothing. So it might be good to at least start with a small force (something like 500pts).

well thing is, when I say replacing other things, I'm even thinking about hobbies and the like. I'd proably replace my computer and gaming consoles before I got to 40k, and likely wanna try to secure some books. So it's not like I'd not be having entertainment so I could distract myself, just that replacing my 40k army wouldn't be my top hobby priority. not because I dislike 40k, but because I'd be able to sink a lot more hours into my video games then I would a 500 point space marine army.

If I'm depressed and unable to sleep at 2 am I can play video games.... I think someone would kill me if I phoned them for a 40k game at that time.

one I was in position I'd absolutely rebuild, not sure what, I like so many parts of 40k, it;s entirely possiable I'd start a new army.

I play a lot of different miniatures games, often having multiple forces for each. Some are played more frequently/passionately than 40k these days. So 40k wouldn't be the priority.

But yes, I would build more 40k.

I guess if I were to start 40k over from scratch.... I'd start by building the Death Korp of Krieg. Including hunting down the oop DKoK models/FW books.

That'd probably be it for me. If I lost all my warhammer stuff somehow, either through theft or accident or something, I'd just call it there and find another hobby. Probably go back to building Gundam models which are way less expensive, or get back into video games.

Id be devestated, its my worst fear. I'd probably walk away from the hobby afterwards, Id have lost too much

A year or two ago, I would have rebuilt my armies with lslight modification and probably a little bit smaller. Now, I would probably leave the hobby for a long while, maybe forever. Following a move to a new place and the lost of two good friends in a car accident, I lost my gaming group and haven't played since.

Redo my Salamanders as best as I can, even trying to replicate the horrid job I did when I was 10 for some models.

 vipoid wrote:
If I lost all my models I can't see myself buying more.

I wouldn't be able to replace all the conversions I've made over the years, and I doubt I'd have the heart to try and make them again.

Same, I’ve invested a bunch of time.

My Eldar have been with me since almost the very beginning, I voted that I would rebuild with the same colour scheme but nothing would ever replace the sentimentality of those original models and I think that might just drive me away from the hobby.

It's a pretty heartbreaking thought.

As sad as I would be about it, just the idea of having to paint all those models again would probably be enough for me to never touch 40k again. I absolutely hate painting and the goal of having two fully painted armies is within reach.

If money is not an issue I might buy a fully painted army off ebay, just to keep playing, or borrow armies from my friends.

I chose to start the same armies again, as they were before.

I don't paint my models using a known paintscheme. It can use any chapter/ craftworld/ hive, etc, but I don't choose the units of that army to maximise the benefits. Maybe that is why I lose so often
Buying painted armies is not my thing. Aspect Warriors are usually a set scheme, so they get a free pass, but normal units, vehicles, etc, they get my schemes.

Probably take a break for a year or two. If the funds magically dropped into my lap I would still probably play some sort of flavor of Chaos, or maybe Salamanders, I've always liked their color scheme and lore.

I enjoy the collecting, modeling and painting aspects so I would see the loss of my collection as an opportunity to rebuild, if not recreate, my main army. At least my 25 year old models would have received a Viking Funeral instead of landfill in 50 years. My metal Scouts from 1997 would be missed, but they’ve done their service.

I essentially built a new Dark Angels army this edition with Primaris and more Black Knights while retaining some older models in my usual lists. I guess I would simply pick up my brush (assuming it survived the fire) and carry on. Models that I do not use would not get replaced.

It would take a lot more for me to walk away from my favorite army.

Cool thought experiment!

I'd probably be more sad over the loss of memories.

However, specifically for Miniatures, I'd miss the Starfleet Marines the most, as they're near impossible to find nowadays. The people who own the rights to them still make (starship) miniatures, and are on Shapeways, so I'd beg and plead for them to release some new ones on there.

Other than that, I'd be slowly collecting old metal Cadian, Catachan, and Valhallan minis as well as the occasional Vostroyan. Probably some modified GSC Neophytes as filler.

If I lost everything at this point I would never come back. Too much invested and I am very slow at painting and finishing projects to start all over. And I hardly ever actually play.

I would consider it a sign to reduce my number of hobbies, allowing me to invest more in something else I also enjoy.

Cry about all the lost family stuff......... when the hobby urge hit again and money was fine a new army could be acquired.

It would hurt though.

As an aside I thought I lost my Deathwing terminators for a year and then met a buddy at NOVA who had them. He shipped back to me. It was a happy day.

I would probably be done with the hobby altogether. I love it but the cost in paints alone would be high. I have a lot of paints and equipment dating back to the late 80s early 90s. My Orks have a good deal of old stuff in both 40k and fantasy. But if I did get back in it would be on a tight budget and probably playing killteam or warcry. By the way it dosen't take a house fire or other tragedy to lose your stuff. I watched a friend have his epic stuff get ran over while he was crossing the street when he dropped it.

I'm honestly not sure. I feel like something like that might destroy my motivation to keep up the hobby altogether, but if I definitely wouldn't be grateful about it. On the other hand, if my motivation remained intact, I would definitely start a different army to what I'm collecting now; I'd almost certainly go with Genestealers.

"Goodbye my Eldar, hello Tau-et-al..."

This actualy did happen to me
Fort Campbell KY, April 2011, the Apartments outside the Lee Gate, electrical fire in one of the apartments, lost all my stuff

lucky, I had renters insurance, and it paid out quite well

first I decided, entire new army, then changed my mind, and went with the army I know and love, that have been playing since mid 90s, Ultramarines,

I'd shed a tear. Or two. Or a million. I have a sizeable collection, with many conversions and even rare / OOP / expensive pieces.
I'd then probably slowly rebuild what I had lost, exactly as it was before, maybe with little changes here and there, focusing on a smaller-scale army. A whole infantry platoon is not always needed.
Or I's stay only with Killteam.
Or ditched 40k completely and did "regular" scale modeling.

Hard to say...

I would be highly upset, mop a round a lot and then probably start Ad mech, which is NOTHING like any of my current armies.

I'd be more upset about my paint collection going up in flames and all my other items.

Claim it on the contents insurance, put a hefty deposit down on a house.

Lose all my models?
Oddly, I would shed big tears for all the various hobby tools I have collected or made through the years.

It almost fits under the category of a "blessing".
I have such a large collection of partially done work.
I think the largest pain would be the ONE army I have that is complete to my satisfaction being gone.

I think it would almost be like a "rage-quit".
The "I would be free of 40k" seems to have some appeal, I am way too invested in it.

Just to throw it out there, and just playing armchair doctor here...

Autism spectrum disorder can make a person incapable of understanding some conversational norms, like sarcasm. If I joke that I like to hunt flamingoes because I like the taste of pink meat... some people with ASD could take that literally instead of as a joke. My cousin, for example, took me quite literally when I joked about that and I had to explain the *nature* of the humour I was going for.

So for the Dakkites that may be unaware of ASD, please know that some posters may experience that, and to learn about it if you have trouble understanding some posters’ ways.


To the OP, I don’t think I’d rebuild, but I would resume my collecting Kill Teams as I’m having lots of fun with the different models and factions... on top of enjoying the game a great deal.

Honestly, I'd probably be so devestated, I'd never touch the hobby again. I'm more of a collector than anything else, and to see 10+ years of collecting, building, customizing, and painting gone in an instant would crush me. I have have so much stuff that can't easily be replaced, if at all.

Never mind.

Most people are able to separate the core concept from outrage culture?

REDACTED

...egh, for me it'd almost be freedom. I don't get to play with what i have anyway, and sometimes i don't feel like i should have picked up what i do just because of that.

whatever situation would cause my collection to be lost would probably see me restructure my time between all my hobbies anyway.

 greatbigtree wrote:
Autism spectrum disorder can make a person incapable of understanding some conversational norms, like sarcasm. If I joke that I like to hunt flamingoes because I like the taste of pink meat... some people with ASD could take that literally instead of as a joke. My cousin, for example, took me quite literally when I joked about that and I had to explain the *nature* of the humour I was going for.
So for the Dakkites that may be unaware of ASD, please know that some posters may experience that, and to learn about it if you have trouble understanding some posters’ ways.

This is why the MODs and this site ask posts to be written in clear language.
My eldest son has ASD and ADHD so I would say the main thing to avoid is a phrase or mannerism.
BUT there are also a variety of fairly common issues out there like dyslexia that make make some writing challenging.
The most common issue that I happen to like is English may not be their first language, I really like having dakkites from all over the world.
I would say the best "accomodation" that can be made is staying on topic my hypocrisy is not lost on me.

To the OP, I don’t think I’d rebuild, but I would resume my collecting Kill Teams as I’m having lots of fun with the different models and factions... on top of enjoying the game a great deal.

It does seem to be a way to enjoy the hobby cheaply and with good variety.

I'll be in two thoughts over this if this happened to me.

I'll be more upset over the paints/tools I've accumulated, as they will be sorely missed. I currently only have 1 army, which o built using discounts/friends/Conquest so the value it has I paid roughly 40% of that to build it in the first place.

Still, I'll claim on the insurance and start a Chaos Knight army so me and my mate can have a knight off and laugh while shouting mock medieval chivalry insults.

Win win in my book!

To the pub, to get hammered.

I lost a WHFB army once. It was the only fantasy army I had at the time.

1995 while moving house. Boxes were piled up on the front porch. I was carrying my stuff in a couple of boxes at a time - the 40k went first because there was more of it. Came back to get the fantasy box, and it was gone.

Stolen straight off the porch. Also lost a chunk of resin bunker terrain that was oop even then. Back when most of the WHFB stuff was still in metals (except for horsies).

I just stopped playing fantasy for about 17 years.

I'd rebuild, once everything else was settled, but I'd probably start a smaller game system. Fewer models.

I am surprised that so many people have responded that they'd be "free". This is a hobby that you're not being forced to play. If you don't enjoy it, you can stop, and sell off your collection.

Likewise, many of the comments are people saying that they couldn't deal with it or bring themselves to rebuild their collection. For me, the whole process of collecting, building and painting an army is one of the most enjoyable aspects of the hobby, along with playing of course. I'd be devastated to lose everything I have, but it wouldn't stop me from enjoying the creative aspects of the hobby that make it appeal to me in the first place.

That is not true, at least for me. if I spend money on something and didn't get my out of it, I will not be able to ignore it. I tried not playing the game, but it didn't work, only made me sick and I had to take more medicin again.

And I don't think I am alone on this. People don't just quit gambling, alcohol, drugs or even just doing stuff that isn't good, just because those are bad things.

Robtype0 wrote:
I am surprised that so many people have responded that they'd be "free". This is a hobby that you're not being forced to play. If you don't enjoy it, you can stop, and sell off your collection.

Likewise, many of the comments are people saying that they couldn't deal with it or bring themselves to rebuild their collection. For me, the whole process of collecting, building and painting an army is one of the most enjoyable aspects of the hobby, along with playing of course. I'd be devastated to lose everything I have, but it wouldn't stop me from enjoying the creative aspects of the hobby that make it appeal to me in the first place.

I think the key is all things in moderation.

When you lose the whole of your hobby focus in one massive go its a huge blow. So suddenly people are left with a massive gap in their lives. Sure there are other parts of the hobby - social, creative etc..., but by and large the models are a very central focus.

The freedom people speak of isn't that they hate the hobby, but that it does soak up time and money. If they lose it all it gives an excuse/reason to put it to one side, or reduce it for a long while and use that newly found money and free time to focus on other things. Some might also use the money, in an insurance lump sum, to buy one big expensive thing for something else; since with warhammer you have a limit on how much you can build and paint within a given time frame; so slow regrowth is more practical (unless you pay others to do the work for you).


So its not that they want to give up, but more that they would like to try some new things if given enough of a kick to prompt them to do it. Losing the model collection is what might give them such a kick (remembering that most of us are only guessing at what our reactions would be).

Robtype0 wrote:
I am surprised that so many people have responded that they'd be "free". This is a hobby that you're not being forced to play. If you don't enjoy it, you can stop, and sell off your collection.

Likewise, many of the comments are people saying that they couldn't deal with it or bring themselves to rebuild their collection. For me, the whole process of collecting, building and painting an army is one of the most enjoyable aspects of the hobby, along with playing of course. I'd be devastated to lose everything I have, but it wouldn't stop me from enjoying the creative aspects of the hobby that make it appeal to me in the first place.

For me specifically, I have three or four hobbies that I enjoy. Losing the one that is by far costing me the most money and time just means I can focus on the others. I'm also in a position right now where I'm not really playing as much as I used too, and the only reason I started collecting and painting miniatures was to play their associated games. Were this hypothetical situation to happen to me tomorrow, then I wouldn't start collecting again unless I ended up finding another solid group to play with.

I'm going to assume this is supposed to be one of those "Would you do it all over again?" questions.

Because:
1. I don't feel compelled to play 40K just because I own 40k models.
2. Several of my models have sentimental value for reasons like "The first time I did a really good job on color blending"

If I lost all of my metal GW figures to fire, probably what I'd try to do is salvage the metal out of the ruins and finally see about getting one of those smelting pot things. Gonna build me a memorial to fallen models.

At the moment, I know I don't have enough documentation about my miniature collection for the insurance company to do anything other than "Yeah, yeah, sure. We don't really care what you lost. Your house burned down, and you had to have lost way more than what you were insured for. So here's the check for what you were insured for."

There are specific models and books that I'd track down replacement for, and that I wouldn't mind building again. There's one or two of the Realm of Chaos chaos champions that I really would pay an outrageous amount of money for, for sentimental reasons.

Eldar, Dark Eldar and the random assortment of Rogue Trader humans? Nope, not likely to replace those.
Infinity? There's this Kickstarter going on with a good deal on Shasvastii models! It'll be hard to find a replacement Caskuda though. :(
Malifaux? Oh, sure. Once I finally have a production test figure, my collection gets destroyed. :( Yeah, gonna replace those and finally buy an Obliteration boxed set as commiseration.
Guild Ball? 3/4 of my Guild Ball collection is Adepticon swag. Tears in the rain, baby.
A bunch of other minor games? Funeral service for the ashes of the games that are no longer in production, and check to see how the surviving product lines are doing.

It remains possible that Games Workshop will someday, once again, publish a game that I would like to play. I don't hold 7th edition (or the end of WHFB) against GW.

Robtype0 wrote:
I am surprised that so many people have responded that they'd be "free". This is a hobby that you're not being forced to play. If you don't enjoy it, you can stop, and sell off your collection.

I'd take that with moderation. It's the only option you can pick to express that you won't be picking up the game again after losing your collection.

Likewise, many of the comments are people saying that they couldn't deal with it or bring themselves to rebuild their collection. For me, the whole process of collecting, building and painting an army is one of the most enjoyable aspects of the hobby, along with playing of course. I'd be devastated to lose everything I have, but it wouldn't stop me from enjoying the creative aspects of the hobby that make it appeal to me in the first place.

First of all, no everyone enjoys the game in the same way you do. My primary enjoyment comes from playing the game, then building and collecting models and while I love having painted models I do not enjoy painting a whole lot. The main drive for me to buy, build and paint models is to use them in a game.

The thing is, today is different than 12 years ago. Back then, I was going to college, had a weekend job, and was living with my parents and had no expenses besides deciding whether to get magic cards, pc games, models or beer and more spare time than I knew what to do with.
In the meantime, I have gotten a real job, have a wife and a daughter and need to pay for rent, a car, bills and whatnot. Free time has become rare, something like an ork buggy takes me a month on average to complete and it isn't exactly responsible behavior to spend $500 on models four times a year if there are other things to buy for the family.

The only reason why I can continue to enjoy Warhammer 40k is because I can get away taking almost a year to get 1000 points of orks battle-ready, is because I already have a large collection ready for play. I can just build working armies from what I have and can take all the time I need to finish the new stuff.
If you take my collection away, I can't play anymore, and will take me at least a year to be able do so again. Since I can't play, there won't be any motivation for me to buy, build and paint any models.

In retrospective, that's probably why I dropped the game in 7th - basically my entire ork collection was invalidated and I would have had to buy an entirely new army in order to play the game in a meaningful way. I just stopped playing instead.

Hard to say. I’d probably have bigger issues than replacing my Warhammer. I would probably see myself jumping to a new system or something. Maybe historicals and Star Wars. Maybe Kill Team and just play with my friends’ armies for my WFB fix. I’d probably try to replace my Fantasy at some point and very slowly. That be a huge demoralizer to lose all my models and paints though, not sure I’d even get back into the hobby.

I would download [guilt free] every book I have purchased. So far, I have supported the hobby by not downloading, at significant expense [I have dexes + all the Kill Team books + all CA,

I would live on ebay looking for anything cheap. I'd buy the start collecting DE, the DE battleforce, and the sisters box.

I'd play Kill Team with that, and let those armies grow organically through campaign play. Box sets when I can- I don't mind off-beat models the way some people do; if it's added at a discount, I'll take it.

Hoping for sister KT rules in December Dwarf.

I went down the Blackstone rabbit hole the first time; I might go down the necromunda rabbit hole if I had to do it over. My metal Necromunda minis see a lot of use as cultists, brood brothers, etc. so replacing them would help me grow 2+ armies. The new box looks great- one of the gangs actually is cultists, and the other is enforcers, which I can see being used as Imperial Agents troops. Add Escher and Cawdor.

I would likely not buy anything 40k related besides enough models for a few Kill Teams. Too many other great games out there to play, and it would be a great time to try something new.

First, one or two days of depression. Then start from beginning.( especially fireproof container for valuables).
Hey, they can't hurt you if you're already dead inside

Rebuild. The head cannon would be that chapter was destroyed in a heroic last stand of apocalyptic proportions.

forget 40k and focus just on lotr. 40k price/quality ratio has become too low for rebuild from 0 to be worth it anymore.

Yup... Blessing in disguise.

I might take up Legend of the Five Rings again.

Karol wrote:

Why do you do this to nearly every thread you're in?

I don't understand your question, because am not sure what I do in every thread I write, besides writing, but I don't think your asking why I write, when I write, because that would make no sense. You have to be more specific.

Others have guessed that he was referring to a comprehension thing, but I'm almost certain he's talking about the fact that you try to make every single thread about some awful personal life story only tangentially related to the topic, and some in the past proven to be bs or at the very least, in direct contradiction with other "tragic" stories you've told.

your house burning down isn't tragic, only if your multi milioner, And probably not even that.

The question was what would you do if your collection burned in a house fire. How can you be impersonal about your stuff burning down?

Karol wrote:
your house burning down isn't tragic, only if your multi milioner, And probably not even that.

The question was what would you do if your collection burned in a house fire. How can you be impersonal about your stuff burning down?

The point of the question was "what would you do if your entire collection was lost simultaneously" - the burning house was just the framing device, a plausible way for it to happen with no chance for recovery (since the other likely way to lose an entire collection at once - theft - offers the potential for recovery)

Don't think about the 'house burning down' side, just the 'lose your collection' side.

If I lost everything tomorrow, I'm not sure what I'd do first. I would most likely pick a couple factions I know I either really liked before the loss, or ones that I'm keen to get into after, and start over. I'm not a huge gamer due to having kids and a very full time set of commitments, but one of the worst things about a fire for me would be the loss of not only my models, but my painting desk. I have hundreds of dollars just in citadel paint, not to mention brushes, lamps, and my airbrush station. I could buy a couple start collecting boxes and be perfectly content with the skirmishes they afford me, but rebuilding my library of colors and supplies would be really depressing.

Oh yea, and I'd 100% pick up a replacement for my Blood Bowl starter box. That would be item number one, along with a bottle of glue, some clippers, and a new hobby knife. I have more fun playing blood bowl with my son than I do playing warhammer some days!

Yeah I have at least a few grand in painting supplies. That would feel bad, though I’d still rather lose that than my army.

I'm so fed up with the rule book bloat and the codex power creep, honestly if I didn't already have all the investment in models I wouldn't bother with the game

Losing everything like that is a hugely traumatic experience for people.

Having raised donations of models, books, and gaming supplies for the gamers of Paradise California last year (something with Games Workshop chipped in on as well), I can tell you that the majority of those folks restarted their original armies.

Some of them were moved to tears by the donations. Sure they had lost their homes and all of their other valuables, but the majority of them were so excited to just get to do something that WASN'T related to the serious nature of their loss.

cvtuttle wrote:
Losing everything like that is a hugely traumatic experience for people.

Having raised donations of models, books, and gaming supplies for the gamers of Paradise California last year (something with Games Workshop chipped in on as well), I can tell you that the majority of those folks restarted their original armies.

Some of them were moved to tears by the donations. Sure they had lost their homes and all of their other valuables, but the majority of them were so excited to just get to do something that WASN'T related to the serious nature of their loss.

I loved hearing that you guys were doing this. In the wake of any huge tragedy like that, a luxury hobby is at the very back of the line when it comes to getting back to normal. I can imagine if I was trying to rebuild my family's possessions and lifestyle, I would more than likely resign myself to letting go of my hobby for a significant amount of time and that would suck. Having a hobby guardian angel come in and rescue some semblance of fun must have been overwhelming. Good on you and GW( and tablewar and any others that helped).

BTW, love your show and I listen to every single new episode. Currently working my way through the old episodes because I just started this hobby last year.

So this just happened to a friend of mine and he lost 30+ years of hobby. The good news, such as it is, is that it was a barn and nobody was hurt. We're cobbling together miniatures and supplies to donate.

I bought a bunch of his old fantasy stuff a few yeas ago. I am donating it back so that he has something from his original collection.

Warm regards,

T2B

Time to buy AR platform with all the fix'ns!

 FeindusMaximus wrote:
Time to buy AR platform with all the fix'ns!

Yep. I'm only in my 30's, but if I lost everything (most of which is not 40K related) I'd probably leave the actual hobby and stick to my others which could be more easily replaced/bought into (i.e. firearms, etc.).

While I may very likely still be doing this hobby into my 50-60's like a lot of people, at this point it would mean losing nearly a thousand painted models, and enough painted/assembled terrain to cover a dozen 6'x4' tables, numerous mats, etc. The time component would be untold thousands of hours, etc.

Maybe in a few years I'd consider getting back into a handful of skirmish games, etc. But I don't know if I could bring myself to invest again in so much time/money/effort to run games at the level I enjoy running them.

I left the hobby once before and came back, whilst losing your entire collection might encourage you to quit I suspect I'd slowly rebuild, but probably with entirely different factions, possibly even systems.
Hobby supplies would likewise have to be replenished over time as I need them.

I think to separate the loss of my army from any other catastrophe is the best way to answer this, because obviously something like a housefire would be such a calamity that gaming becomes just one aspect.

But... if I were to lose all my 40k stuff, but not my hobby stuff, such as paints, brushes, etc? I would probably build some sort of new army. If I lose all of my hobby stuff? Including the mundane things like Ott Lights, paint racks, storage shelves, battlefoam? I think I walk away.

My main army is my IG, which is over 1000 total models. It was collected over nearly 20 years, with many OOP and hard to track down models. It would not be impossible to replace, but wildly impractical. I'll take the cash value (both Fair Market Value and Replacement cost would be well north of $5k) and move on. If I keep my hobby stuff, then maybe I build another 40k army, or maybe focus on smaller projects.

If I lose my hobby stuff (literally hundreds of paints)... man... it'd be hard to start from scratch. I probably would buy back into the hobby, just far more focused than before.

The idea of intentionally going "Tabula Rasa" on my collection has crossed my mind a few times. Not so much as burning them, rather than selling or giving away everything. There is so much stuff that'll never get built, hasn't seen the table in years, or shows off my painting skill from 20-25 years ago.

I'd start over, still with Imperial Guard, but I'd be completely using Victoria Miniatures, as well as a single army for FoW (British Paras or Fallschirmjäger perhaps). As far as the rest of my armies (BT, Tau, SoB, Inquisition, Orks, Knights and perhaps a dozen Kill Teams from other different factions), the specialist systems (Necromunda, Blood Bowl) and other table tops (FSA, GHQ ships, AAM, Armada, X-Wing, FoW, Bolt Action, Halo, Infinity, Dropfleet, WHFB etc...) are concerned, those would never get replaced. 99% of my board games (Descent 2 with all expansions, a dozen versions of Axis & Allies, CCGs etc....) neither.

I'd get back into the hobby because I've met so many dear and close friends through it, but I don't think I'd start 40k again. As much as I love my Tyranids, I'd have to spend so much money and time rebuilding and painting the army, to say nothing of the various second and third edition models in the army. I'd stick with rebuilding my smaller game collections - Colette du Bois and her showgirls for Malifaux, my Wood Elves for blood bowl, and my uruk-hai for the Lord of the Rings.