The new exclusive miniature for store opening events is this tough-as-nails Catachan Jungle Fighter veteran sergeant, and she’s ready to lead the charge.
She’s packing a boltgun, chainsword, laspistol (you can never have enough guns), a bionic leg and an intimidating presence – as befitting a leader of the Astra Militarum. This model makes an ideal display piece, from the pose to the scenic jungle base which is decorated with carnivorous plants and a thoroughly deceased Tyranid organism. We’re sure Ripper is going to be a hit with both Astra Militarum players, collectors and painters alike.
We’ll have more information about how to get your hands on this awesome model soon. Look for new store opening events near you, and start planning your trip!
What will the price be, $40? I'd love this and a plastic Lictor, but paying GW prices makes me feel like I'm enabling a person in desperate need of an intervention.
Some day I'll paint up my 6 Catachans (formerly 60), half in red and half in blue, and my Konami Contras will at last defeat the vile Red Falcon.
Damn it. I really like the Sarge and would gladly pay whatever to add her to my Catachans, but I highly doubt there will be any store openings in my area. Do GW sell these minis at any other opportunities, e.g. SPIEL in Essen?
That model reminds me of a 54mm conversion Catachan model that one of the GW model designers came up with in the late 90s.
It might have been Gary Morley. Part of it was the old Devastator shoulder carried Heavy Bolter being used as a bolt gun.
Off to Google!
Yes. I've been trying to track it down. Asked the 40k page but they weren't sure. I remember it in a mod-90s White Dwarf. It was very similar. Female Catachan, bandana, bolter, foot on Nid head. Had the bolter braced on her knee of the leg resting on the head. It was awesome.
God damn that's horrifically bad.
Her face looks like it's been squeezed in a vice.
And I've never seen a strap force a woman's breasts under her arm pits.
Her stomach is a mess.
And her hands are blobs of ham.
ValentineGames wrote: God damn that's horrifically bad.
Her face looks like it's been squeezed in a vice.
And I've never seen a strap force a woman's breasts under her arm pits.
Her stomach is a mess.
And her hands are blobs of ham.
Dear god burn it!!!
While I agree with the hands,
And the face isn’t my favorite,
The torso seems absolutely fine.
I don’t get where you are getting ‘under the arm pits’ from, doesn’t look that way to me.
And the stomach seems fine for a Slim muscled body builder type.
A cool looking model to be sure but do you all really want to see what a guard redo will cost ? While they will be pretty models, 60$ for 10 guard models will be awful no matter how cool they look. Especially taking in how many you'd need minimum for an alright list.
One of characters here or there is alright but if you don't think characters like that in a model line redo will cost like 40$ USD and the squads 60$ you haven't been paying attention.
Though I am sure some boxes will sell as people make up nice looking kill teams or try to pad current armies but a whole new core of them ? As Blaine would say it would be a whole world of hurt.
BobtheInquisitor wrote: What will the price be, $40? I'd love this and a plastic Lictor, but paying GW prices makes me feel like I'm enabling a person in desperate need of an intervention.
Some day I'll paint up my 6 Catachans (formerly 60), half in red and half in blue, and my Konami Contras will at last defeat the vile Red Falcon.
Did it go from 60 to 6 because you forgot the 30 lives code?
If this model were in a sensible scale, I'd absolutely grab one for my Orlocks. As is, it goes into the 'it's nice, but I have no use for it' basket with most of GW's current releases :(
If there's a plastic kit that definitely needs a makeover, Catachans are up there on that list. As much i would prefer a new regiment altogether, Guard haven't had any real love kit-wise in a while now, so I'd be good for them to get an actual update for a kit that's older than a lot of the newer players in the game.
Thanks gents. And yeah I'm not seeing the problem with that? Quite a nice sculpt IMO, and her chest doesn't seem unrealistic - looks kinda like what happens with a sports bra/messenger bag combo(and before anyone gets any ideas, I just happen to know a couple of bike messengers, I do not routinely go about ogling women in sportswear).
A more general update for Catachans wouldn't have been my first choice for a Guard regiment to be modernised(Vostroyans), but they need to do something for them. Hopefully if they do give us a new kit, it won't be hideously priced and this model is indicative of them finally putting a few female models in the box.
Yodhrin wrote: Thanks gents. And yeah I'm not seeing the problem with that? Quite a nice sculpt IMO, and her chest doesn't seem unrealistic - looks kinda like what happens with a sports bra/messenger bag combo(and before anyone gets any ideas, I just happen to know a couple of bike messengers, I do not routinely go about ogling women in sportswear).
A more general update for Catachans wouldn't have been my first choice for a Guard regiment to be modernised(Vostroyans), but they need to do something for them. Hopefully if they do give us a new kit, it won't be hideously priced and this model is indicative of them finally putting a few female models in the box.
You see, considering even the CSM box had the audacity to only have 8 standard equipment per 10 models and a pricehike. (not even going into terminators or havocs.) Also if the recent eldar are anything to go by, oh boi. That would put the old Vraks renegade infantry to shame for a full army and mind you, that required you to buy an upgrade sprue for 12£ + a box a of cadians.
The proportions of the previous model seem to be closer to real ones of a person. Some parts of the model are amazing, others are... well, very 90s. Those chocolate bar fingers, hideous sculpt of muscles and body thickness of a fridge, that peaks out of under the shirt, That`s not how people`s muscles are, let alone ripped ladie`s. Looks like painted bubblegum. The stance, weapons and face are pretty great.
Yodhrin wrote: Thanks gents. And yeah I'm not seeing the problem with that? Quite a nice sculpt IMO, and her chest doesn't seem unrealistic - looks kinda like what happens with a sports bra/messenger bag combo(and before anyone gets any ideas, I just happen to know a couple of bike messengers, I do not routinely go about ogling women in sportswear).
A more general update for Catachans wouldn't have been my first choice for a Guard regiment to be modernised(Vostroyans), but they need to do something for them. Hopefully if they do give us a new kit, it won't be hideously priced and this model is indicative of them finally putting a few female models in the box.
Well looking at other releases it would be 35£ for 10 as a bare minimum.
Not Online!!! wrote: You see, considering even the CSM box had the audacity to only have 8 standard equipment per 10 models and a pricehike. (not even going into terminators or havocs.) Also if the recent eldar are anything to go by, oh boi. That would put the old Vraks renegade infantry to shame for a full army and mind you, that required you to buy an upgrade sprue for 12£ + a box a of cadians.
I take you never saw IG sprues? Infantry are like 70% air, anything really would be massive improvement over that (not missing 80% of weapon options, for one).
And why take Eldar elite unit as a price point? Cultists of the Abyss, the closest equivalent GW did recently, is very reasonably priced. Funnily enough, it costs less per model than ancient IG kits, and that's without considering it has character sprue in it...
So the best faction in 40K gets some love after all. GW, you got finally something right.
I like her, I will buy her. She will look great next to the new Marbo in my glass cabinet.
Though one thing is still missing:
Where is her choppa?
Genstealers are a super old design too - whilst they've had some updated kits over the years I think the overall design is still the same pose and structure that they've had since the space-hulk days.
Overread wrote: Genstealers are a super old design too - whilst they've had some updated kits over the years I think the overall design is still the same pose and structure that they've had since the space-hulk days.
Pose yes, structure no. The old SH models had a big 'pocket' of a fleshy, ribbed mass in the middle of their back carapace (one duplicated on the two Overkill models)- that was replaced on the main kit (and replacement Space Hulk).
All of my Renegade Guard squad sergeants are armed with chainsword and bolter so this is like a gift from on high for me. Now I just have to try getting a hold of one or two...
It's honestly a shame how limited this miniature will be as I could imagine it being a really popular conversion base.
A Catachans vs Tyranids campaign book/release with new Lictors, new Genestealers, new catachan squad and command squad would be the dopest gak ever.
Isn’t the command squad newer and more proportioned than the old ones? That wouldn’t need redoing would it?
Some new Catachan Elite unit most likely.
Indeed it is. It's a fairly decent kit with pretty much everything you'd want for a command squad plus officer, and the sculpting quality is far improved. GW's resources would be best put towards remaking the basic Catachan infantry and heavy weapons crew.
6 kits which are all competing with each other. You don't neccessarily double or triple sales by doubling up regiments you produce. Customer isnt' likely to buy every regiment they produce.
Unfortunately, GW seems to be moving towards having a single model/kit for every unit entry for quite a while now. I remember when there where like 4-5 different Commissar models available.
Esmer wrote: Unfortunately, GW seems to be moving towards having a single model/kit for every unit entry for quite a while now. I remember when there where like 4-5 different Commissar models available.
Part of that is the shift from metals to plastics. Metal moulds are a lot cheaper to produce and, back then, GW was also doing a lot more "Flat" models in that most of the model was a single chunk, with perhaps two arms and a hat to stick on. Today the models are far more dynamic (more parts) and the moulds are far more expensive to produce. I'm surprised they don't do more multi-kit weapon options for things like Commissars and such. GW still has armies like Tyranids which do really wel with a high diversity of units and a lot of optional parts in many kits.
Esmer wrote: Unfortunately, GW seems to be moving towards having a single model/kit for every unit entry for quite a while now. I remember when there where like 4-5 different Commissar models available.
That was back when they were in metal so production expense was basically guy doing new greenstuff model from which to make moulds that were dirt cheap.
People want more plastic but it will also result in more pricier characters and reduces variants.
H.B.M.C. wrote: There is zero reason why plastic production should limit options.
It limits options in terms of the number of sculpts they can afford to make in comparison to in the days of metal. It's part of the reason why there's only one IG army at present rather than the several which we had back in metal which were the same army with different sculpted themes.
Of course you are right, they could make a single commissar model and give him several hats, arms and weapon options. As I noted Tyranids do this and do it really well through most of their army. GW could certainly continue to do it for other armies, even whilst keeping a highly detailed and dynamic pose.
A Catachans vs Tyranids campaign book/release with new Lictors, new Genestealers, new catachan squad and command squad would be the dopest gak ever.
Isn’t the command squad newer and more proportioned than the old ones? That wouldn’t need redoing would it? Some new Catachan Elite unit most likely.
Indeed it is. It's a fairly decent kit with pretty much everything you'd want for a command squad plus officer, and the sculpting quality is far improved. GW's resources would be best put towards remaking the basic Catachan infantry and heavy weapons crew.
Wasn't the current Catachan Heavy Weapons team also released alongside the Command Squad? Not saying a new kit wouldn't be nice and all, but I wouldn't say it's warranted.
Overread wrote: Genstealers are a super old design too - whilst they've had some updated kits over the years I think the overall design is still the same pose and structure that they've had since the space-hulk days.
Pose yes, structure no. The old SH models had a big 'pocket' of a fleshy, ribbed mass in the middle of their back carapace (one duplicated on the two Overkill models)- that was replaced on the main kit (and replacement Space Hulk).
There's a few other key differences, such as the design of the rending claw arms which on the old SH models resembling more of a three-pronged crustacean than a hand with three fat digits and big claws taking up the second joint onwards, the lack of the "shoulder pads" that were introduced by the back carapace of the 4th edition sculpt and remained even in the Overkill models, and the lack of nostrils and more compact face structure.
I have an unhealthy nostalgia for the SH Genestealers, in my ideal world another plastic Genestealer set would be a 1:1 replica of them with added poseability, but I did appreciate that little bit of a throwback to them in the Overkill sculpts.
tneva82 wrote: 6 kits which are all competing with each other. You don't neccessarily double or triple sales by doubling up regiments you produce. Customer isnt' likely to buy every regiment they produce.
Counter to that is a range of designs appeal to different people’s aesthetics, thus expanding your potential market.
The model looks nice enough, if a little exaggerated. i could have done without the bandana, though.
As great as it is to see a non-Marine store opening model*, Guard really need a redo of their core unit box. Both Catachans and Cadians weren't good when they were released, and the last twenty years did them no favors.
*Well, it really isn't. Putting desirable models on general release is simply superior to artificially limiting them.
A Catachans vs Tyranids campaign book/release with new Lictors, new Genestealers, new catachan squad and command squad would be the dopest gak ever.
Isn’t the command squad newer and more proportioned than the old ones? That wouldn’t need redoing would it?
Some new Catachan Elite unit most likely.
Indeed it is. It's a fairly decent kit with pretty much everything you'd want for a command squad plus officer, and the sculpting quality is far improved. GW's resources would be best put towards remaking the basic Catachan infantry and heavy weapons crew.
The Catachan heavy weapons box already looks fine, it was released along side the command pack and both are much higher quality. All they need to do is redue the 10 man infantry box. Which is why Catachan are actually less work then even fixing the even the cadians ATM, who have only their command pack, which I would argue isn't even all that good. I hope they make a more generic guard release with options for multiple regimental looks, but right now I think Catachan would be the easiest fix.
H.B.M.C. wrote: There is zero reason why plastic production should limit options.
It limits options in terms of the number of sculpts they can afford to make in comparison to in the days of metal. It's part of the reason why there's only one IG army at present rather than the several which we had back in metal which were the same army with different sculpted themes.
Of course you are right, they could make a single commissar model and give him several hats, arms and weapon options. As I noted Tyranids do this and do it really well through most of their army. GW could certainly continue to do it for other armies, even whilst keeping a highly detailed and dynamic pose.
They could also formally split HH off into its own studio and get a small team at Forgeworld back to doing what Forgeworld was originally meant for - producing niche models for the main product ranges. GW might not be willing to run a metal casting operation anymore to provide multiple Commissars or whatever, but there's no reason they can't make a plastic kit with some modest optional parts, and then FW could produce a couple of alternate poses in resin. Hell these days they wouldn't even need to make the alternatives from scratch, they could just take the CAD asset GW used for the plastic one, rig it, repose it, and print the master model to cast.
Cadians, Mordians, Tallarn, Praetorians are all pretty close to the same base of a tunic-style, either with extra options or a marine chapter-style accessory sprue.
Same goes for Valhallans, Steel Legion (and Death Korps while you're at it) and Vostroyans with medium-length coats.
Catachans are a bit outside of the box, but with a bit of a stretch they could also do Tanith. Call it 5 infantry kits for greatcoats (inf/cmd/heavy) and upgrading Cadian/Catachan infantry squads, a half-dozen accessory sprues of heads and do-dads, and you have 10 fully plastic ranges to work with, which don't cannibalize sales much since many variations are based on accessories.
Body wise, they just need it be generic enough where a Space Marine Upgrade sprue (ideally) or FW upgrade kit (if it’s the only financially viable option for them) makes it distinct.
Sounds easy, eh? Probably far more involved than my tiny mind can comprehend!
SnotlingPimpWagon wrote: The proportions of the previous model seem to be closer to real ones of a person. Some parts of the model are amazing, others are... well, very 90s. Those chocolate bar fingers, hideous sculpt of muscles and body thickness of a fridge, that peaks out of under the shirt, That`s not how people`s muscles are, let alone ripped ladie`s. Looks like painted bubblegum. The stance, weapons and face are pretty great.
the body is not unlike any number of female MMA fighters you can look up yourself. Cat Zingano in particular comes to mind, as well as Gina Carano. Muscled fighters do not have hourglass figures. They have solid trunks/stomachs
I mostly like the model. The face seems peculiarly proportioned, but I bet it looks a lot better at 28mm. If I were a Catachan guy, I'd be all over this.The weapon placement and pose is excellent.
The new exclusive miniature for store opening events is this tough-as-nails Catachan Jungle Fighter veteran sergeant, and she’s ready to lead the charge.
She’s packing a boltgun, chainsword, laspistol (you can never have enough guns), a bionic leg and an intimidating presence – as befitting a leader of the Astra Militarum. This model makes an ideal display piece, from the pose to the scenic jungle base which is decorated with carnivorous plants and a thoroughly deceased Tyranid organism. We’re sure Ripper is going to be a hit with both Astra Militarum players, collectors and painters alike.
We’ll have more information about how to get your hands on this awesome model soon. Look for new store opening events near you, and start planning your trip!
First plastic Lictor too.
Apologies for the threadromancy, but I've been desperate to get my hands on this Catachan mini since I first saw it, it's easily in my top 5 IG minis of all time.
Has it been seen in the wild yet? Is there a new store opening or anniversary soon?
As far as I'm aware, she has not been. July is usually when they 'reset' the store opening/anniversary models, so she would have been first seen then.
Hopefully once GW opens all of their shops back up after all of this mess, they just make her available online alongside of the Catachan Colonel that was slated to be a Store Anniversary model alongside of her.
Stores are reopening, but no word on Store Anniversaries as yet.
Normally, Milton Keynes is the first to get the new Anniversary Models. But, that’s typically in June, which has of course been and gone.
I suspect they won’t crack on with Anniversaries, which are normally a decent source of income and custom until things are relaxed a little further.
Either way, I’ll Looting for the Loot Group (Tat for the Tat Throne!) at the earliest convenience. Think my local Store is normally September, so provided that’s not changed, fingers crossed it’s just a couple of months.
Want one for myself, as I bought a ‘for charity’ Carl Weathers, and he needs his boss lady! (no I will not part with Carl Weathers. Ever)
Checking the completed listings on ebay shows that a few have already been sold, for various prices, by sellers in the USA. None have become available from the UK yet.
It seeems a little ridiculous to me that you can't even get them if you go to Warhammer World.
Is there any way to find out which stores will be opening/having birthday events without using Facebook? I really prefer to avoid using social media.
GW stores all have their own FB page and normally put up on them when events are, but they vary a lot depending on the store manager (some use it more than others). At the same time GW has a LOT of stores worldwide. Best thing is to keep an eye on Mad Doc's Loot GrouP (check the ilnk in his signature 2 posts up)
I always figured it was a deliberate choice on GW’s part to not publish the store birthdays, as they want you to go in regularly and build up a relationship with the store, rather than just turn up on the one day you can order a special model.
Jadenim wrote: I always figured it was a deliberate choice on GW’s part to not publish the store birthdays, as they want you to go in regularly and build up a relationship with the store, rather than just turn up on the one day you can order a special model.
Then perhaps they should just make these models available without all the preconditions and limited availability, and just have them be something you can order at any time by going into a store.
Jadenim wrote: I always figured it was a deliberate choice on GW’s part to not publish the store birthdays, as they want you to go in regularly and build up a relationship with the store, rather than just turn up on the one day you can order a special model.
Then perhaps they should just make these models available without all the preconditions and limited availability, and just have them be something you can order at any time by going into a store.
Because then people would just go en-mass when it went on sale and never again. Don't forget these models go on sale along with other discount gifts like backpacks and art. It's all about creating an "event". They pair it to money spent so it not only encourages you to go to the store get the model, but also to know your local store's birthday and save up. Generating a sales spike for each store irrespective of model sales.
And it works. Heck when Ossiarchs came out I was doubly lucky in that it was also the same week of my local stores' birthday so the money I was going to spend anyway got spent direct at GW instead of through a 3rd party and it was spent in store. I got some extra stuff and the store got some sales- everyone wins.
The main downside is if you don't have access to a local store or fail to keep in touch to know when their birthday event is. Then you can have issues. That said with ebay, loot group and facebook and forums I'd say provided GW is working as normal, then if you want a a birthday model then you can typically get hold of them.
Jadenim wrote: I always figured it was a deliberate choice on GW’s part to not publish the store birthdays, as they want you to go in regularly and build up a relationship with the store, rather than just turn up on the one day you can order a special model.
They did publish a list of all stores b/days briefly last year but it wasnt available for long, there are some screen caps of it buried somewhere deep in the Loot group.
Some Stores also tend to have their birthday event on a day other than their birthday, eiher so it falls on a Saturday, or to cope with absences/holidays etc
having a widely available list of birthdays would mess with that
Jadenim wrote: I always figured it was a deliberate choice on GW’s part to not publish the store birthdays, as they want you to go in regularly and build up a relationship with the store, rather than just turn up on the one day you can order a special model.
They did publish a list of all stores b/days briefly last year but it wasnt available for long, there are some screen caps of it buried somewhere deep in the Loot group.
I’d be very grateful if you could find the list and post it here on Dakka!
The Loot group is not an option for people like myself who don’t do Facebook.
Jadenim wrote: I always figured it was a deliberate choice on GW’s part to not publish the store birthdays, as they want you to go in regularly and build up a relationship with the store, rather than just turn up on the one day you can order a special model.
Then perhaps they should just make these models available without all the preconditions and limited availability, and just have them be something you can order at any time by going into a store.
Because then people would just go en-mass when it went on sale and never again. Don't forget these models go on sale along with other discount gifts like backpacks and art. It's all about creating an "event". They pair it to money spent so it not only encourages you to go to the store get the model, but also to know your local store's birthday and save up. Generating a sales spike for each store irrespective of model sales.
In what way does making them available on a continual basis after the original launch - still only via their own stores, mind - not achieve that same end?
As to "it works" - does it tho? Stuff like the Loot Group wouldn't exist if it worked on everyone, and even there and on ebay the highly conditional ones where you have to spend a set amount of stuff on a set day after sacrificing a goat to Artemis during the blood moon etc are incredibly uncommon even if someone did want to buy one, and from what I've seen online and in person they're hardly more common in people's armies. In fact I didn't see a single one of those Terminator Chaplain models IRL at all until after they became available via "the Eastern road".
I've also never met or spoken to anyone who ended up giving a gak about their local store's birthday or opening times or "community"(such as they are these days) because of these limited models beyond the limited models themselves, anyone who cares about that stuff already did care about it because the store is their primary venue - the rest of us just try to get in and out as fast as possible.
In the end, the present policy might give GWHQ a nice predictable bump in each store's KPIs one day a year, but if I worked at GW I would hate the practice(since whether you can surpass those KPIs to whatever level of growth GW have demanded on an annual basis next year is entirely dependent on whether the next super-duper-exclusive mini is something enough people really want to trek in and spend the excess, and if it isn't then oops that's a black mark on your record regardless of the fact it's not even remotely your fault), and I firmly believe they could achieve a similar return in a more sustainable way without all the restrictions and hoopla - at the end of the day, people who like GW stuff want to buy GW stuff, you don't need to force their hand by holding models hostage, and for some people trying to do so will achieve the opposite result to what you intend.
Jadenim wrote: I always figured it was a deliberate choice on GW’s part to not publish the store birthdays, as they want you to go in regularly and build up a relationship with the store, rather than just turn up on the one day you can order a special model.
They did publish a list of all stores b/days briefly last year but it wasnt available for long, there are some screen caps of it buried somewhere deep in the Loot group.
I’d be very grateful if you could find the list and post it here on Dakka!
The Loot group is not an option for people like myself who don’t do Facebook.
Why not just set up a throwaway account? My FB profile has a fake name, a cartoon avatar, and zero personal information. I use it to check a handful of hobby-specific Groups and that's it.
Jadenim wrote: I always figured it was a deliberate choice on GW’s part to not publish the store birthdays, as they want you to go in regularly and build up a relationship with the store, rather than just turn up on the one day you can order a special model.
They did publish a list of all stores b/days briefly last year but it wasnt available for long, there are some screen caps of it buried somewhere deep in the Loot group.
I’d be very grateful if you could find the list and post it here on Dakka!
The Loot group is not an option for people like myself who don’t do Facebook.
Loot Group has shown that Warhammer Edinburgh is relocating, and it’s reopening is 5 September. Hopefully, that’ll provide the first opportunity to get this goody to the good.
No guarantee it will, but I’ll report back once I know more. Which means price remains pending.
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Oh wow. It's mad to think they won't be there anymore, even though I rarely visit these days they've been in that spot for as long as I've been into Warhammer. Played my first games of WHFB, 40K and Mordheim in that store, got my first painting lesson, it's where we all set off from for the Gamesday bus.
So, I've been keeping my eye out on ebay for one of these to pop up at a reasonable price, when I noticed something a little sickening.
There is a seller who has sold 30+ of them. Presumably they own a relatively new independent gaming store and GW provided them with a box of Sergeant Jacksons to encourage people to make purchases from them, the seller then chose to sell them all on ebay. Here is a link to the completed listings:
Surely this can't have been what GW intended? They really need to look at their policy of artificial scarcity, because this is good for nobody except the guy who is selling them at a huge markup.
GW USA might have a bigger supply because it comes in waves whilst GWUK might do more ad-hock casting. AS its a model to be given out during anniversary releases I'd wager the USA should likely have quite a lot of stock of her
I'd wonder if they've got an 'in' at the GW USA warehouse and are getting these in some sort of a nod and a wink sort of way?
(or GW USA are far less stringent about how they're handing them out, and have a far bigger supply to play with)
Just to be clear, this is the female catachan sergeant, not colonel Carl Weathers. To my knowledge no store in the uk has access to them, while this one guy has 30+.
I hope that somebody less lazy than me can inform GW about this, because I just can’t believe that they can be happy about the situation.
You could well be right about the guy maybe having a contact at GW US, it would explain how they got so many of them (and seemingly, continue to be able to get hold of more stock: they’ve been selling them for a while).
I'm very pleased to read this and that GW is going to make her available online as well and not make everyone have to rush to local stores during these uncertain times when many might not want too or might even be unable to reach their local store
Overread wrote: I'm very pleased to read this and that GW is going to make her available online as well and not make everyone have to rush to local stores during these uncertain times when many might not want too or might even be unable to reach their local store
I mean, they state that you can have your store order one for you too if you 'miss out' on the physical ones.
The online availability for me is good news as I have zero chance of getting to a physical store for a couple of months.
I am getting more cynical over the thought that GW's idea of expanding the Imperial Guard will be just a new Catachan squad sprue rather than a new Regiment after the effort being expended on Catachan characters.
alphaecho wrote: I am getting more cynical over the thought that GW's idea of expanding the Imperial Guard will be just a new Catachan squad sprue rather than a new Regiment after the effort being expended on Catachan characters.
The catachan and cadian infantry squads are super-dated. I think that anything shy of seeing those two units fixed would be pretty lame.
I don't see why they'd make a new Catachan army. We can't really have all the old regiments anymore, for reasons of practicality we should only have one. Personally I'd much prefer Moradians, Valhallans or DkoK if it's not Cadians again.
Vostroyan would also be nice. Catachans were always the bottom tier regiment for me, even the metals, they looked fine but the concept was too hackneyed even for 13yo me.
That would be funny. First make limited ed models many won't likely touch because of current basic infantry models suck and then when these aren't available anymore release infantry that would have got people interested in these
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: Ripper and the Captain getting models are suggestive they’ve been working on Catachan Infantry.
Well, it at least suggests there's concepts for officers and the like.
Much like how the Renegade Guardsmen from Black Fortress suggest they've been looking at Cadians.
JWBS wrote:I don't see why they'd make a new Catachan army. We can't really have all the old regiments anymore, for reasons of practicality we should only have one. Personally I'd much prefer Moradians, Valhallans or DkoK if it's not Cadians again.
Real-talk: we absolutely can have the old regiments, they just need to have different unit profiles for it to really 'work'.
I've been saying for awhile now that if we see Guard redone, we'll most likely see some kind of differentiation for profiles. Not just "Oh, here are Veterans. And those are Conscripts. And those are Guardsmen!"--but full on things like "Light Infantry" being the Catachan-style kit, "Line Infantry" being the Cadian kit, and Scions being the de facto "Heavy Infantry" for the future.
JWBS wrote: Vostroyan would also be nice. Catachans were always the bottom tier regiment for me, even the metals, they looked fine but the concept was too hackneyed even for 13yo me.
We're on the same thought process there.
I had the 2nd Ed metals as I had at least a Command Squad, one infantry squad and one heavy squad for each of the Regiments relesaed.
I even bought the plastics when first released but had no enthusiasm for them. In fact, of the whole box, I only really rated the comms backpack. I love finding them in bits sales.
For those not constrained by having to have GW models (playing in store, official competitions and so on), GW can only lose more IG sales to Wargames Atlantic amongst others. I've already set aside a slush fund waiting for their Space Brits to arrive.
JWBS wrote: Vostroyan would also be nice. Catachans were always the bottom tier regiment for me, even the metals, they looked fine but the concept was too hackneyed even for 13yo me.
Vostroyan designs were that for teen me. They looked as bad as the Valhallans did.
Plus their design is mostly in the Scion side of things now.
I'm not saying I agree with the decision to go catachan (I like the old Armageddon ork hunters, but find catachans frankly bland). I just think they're the least work (command is in good shape, heavy are okay) and the writing is on the wall (recent characters seem to telegraph intent).
If I had my druthers, I'd see an IG update with a greatcoat regiment and some alt heads for cadians (mordian, praetorian, tallaran all get close enough to cadians with their tunics with some do-dads a la GSC).
Overread wrote: I'm very pleased to read this and that GW is going to make her available online as well and not make everyone have to rush to local stores during these uncertain times when many might not want too or might even be unable to reach their local store
Or people who don't have a local store anyway (although that may seem an alien concept for people in many parts of the UK! ).
Wonder if it's going to be Made to Order or limited by some other conditions (beyond the time of availability), but it's certainly a good move that they'll be accessible online at some point.
Considering that she'll be cast up if you order in store and they don't have enough it would suggest she'll be basically made to order. They might cap her per account to prevent easy abuse.
I just have to work out now if I risk getting one or pay more for two since I want to convert her to become a Cultist
JWBS wrote: Vostroyan would also be nice. Catachans were always the bottom tier regiment for me, even the metals, they looked fine but the concept was too hackneyed even for 13yo me.
Vostroyan designs were that for teen me. They looked as bad as the Valhallans did.
Plus their design is mostly in the Scion side of things now.
Dude, I respect your opinion, but saying that the Vostroyan design was bottom tier...my mind just blew up.
You know, to be honest, I'd really like to see a dedicated Rogue Trader army list next edition. It's like Inquisition used to be atm, all special characters and no troop choices (besides Starstriders).
I'm half tempted to see what sort of list I can make with stuff from BSF and maybe the IG list.
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: Unpopular opinion? I feel the 2nd Ed Regiments for IG were an error in judgement.
Millions of planets, only a handful of real note? I’d have preferred they refreshed the original Rogue Trader aesthetic.
Cadians are pretty much a rehash of the RT aesthetic. They just cranked the size of the helmets down and gave the flak vest some detail. Though I miss the sunglasses and visors (for the sheer joy of not fiddling with painting eyes).
Though I'd happily dump most of the metal regiments (models and rules) in a fire. Too much modern baggage attached to most, and they concepts they went with are absurdly impractical and limited.
Also their mostly ugly models. Bad faces, poor details. Or, in the case of Vostroyans, absurdly busy and _over-detailed_, and not distinct enough from Valhallans (which they seemed to have pushed the designer on 'mostly the same, but even more silly').
I’d like to see regiment variety retained but I’d also like to see their various equipment actually make a difference. The lasgun is the most versatile and flexible weapons platform ever devised and it would be cool to see that on the TT. Like Catachans having shorter ranged assault lasguns, Cadians having variable-output ones, that sort of thing.
Mr_Rose wrote: I’d like to see regiment variety retained but I’d also like to see their various equipment actually make a difference. The lasgun is the most versatile and flexible weapons platform ever devised and it would be cool to see that on the TT. Like Catachans having shorter ranged assault lasguns, Cadians having variable-output ones, that sort of thing.
I think that misses the whole point of ubiquitous.
BroodSpawn wrote: It also adds an extra layer of book-keeping to the game
Not really, provided the weapons look distinctive enough?
The ubiquity of the lasgun is its ease to maintain a supply chain...that's not something easily represented on the tabletop when a game doesn't have ammo checks.
Lasguns definitely could fit the bill for a few variants ala the Bolter families. Hell, there's even a couple of 'shotgun' lasers!
If GW wanted to, and cared too, you could get a fair few different regiments out of just a few kits.
You have the long coat kit, where the main difference is the heads. So Steel Legion, Kreig, Valhallen, Vostroyan...
You can have the If you accepted that mordians would wear flak armour similar to cadians, but with different arms and heads, you can have mordian, cadian and praetorian guard. Heck, if you let catachans have a flak vest instead of a vest, they could go in that kit also. Even Elysian maybe.
That's 8 regiments across 2 kits with the main difference being heads.
The head and arms for more obscure regiments could be supplement kits if they wanted to cut it down to 2x head and arm variations per main kit.
GW could genuinely do absolutely amazing plastic guard kits now, I've thought about building a necromunda gang militia army for a while since they bought out all the necromunda kits, there's so much possibility with them, and it really is just infantry that need doing, the vehicles, and support squads like ogryns and scions they have are already perfect.
Automatically Appended Next Post: The one key missing iconic regiment would be tallarn but they could probably be worked into the cadian kit I suppose with a redesign of sorts.
Voss wrote: Or, in the case of Vostroyans, absurdly busy and _over-detailed_, and not distinct enough from Valhallans (which they seemed to have pushed the designer on 'mostly the same, but even more silly').
They don't really have much in common. Valhallans are typical Perry miniatures based on actual military forces (in this case WW2 Germans and Russians in winter uniform) while the Vostroyans are based on some Blanche sketches.
endlesswaltz123 wrote: If GW wanted to, and cared too, you could get a fair few different regiments out of just a few kits.
You posted a lot and I don't want to make a real big huge wall of text out of it and my reply.
It's important to note that the 'longcoat' regiments? They're really just the Krieg and Valhallans--and even then, the Krieg have a bit of external armor(pauldrons on the standard Death Korps while Grenadiers and Death Riders have cuirasses and legplates) in addition to their helmet+respirator while the Valhallans have no pauldrons. Valhallans have a similar helmet to the Death Korps but rather than the respirator setup, they keep a bedroll/extra blankets wrapped around their torsos.
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Vostroyans kinda/sorta fit into this groove as well...but their aesthetic is a whole other beast entirely. I've genuinely been surprised that they have not released them as a thing for the AdMech or Imperial Knights.
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The Steel Legion? Not 'longcoats'. They're longer coats than, say, the Cadians but not what people tend to think of for 'longcoat guard'.
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The high boots plus lack of armor make it feel longcoat-ish, plus their officers wearing longcoats throws the imagery of the regiment off a bit.
The Steel Legion are one of the odd ones out when it comes to an aesthetic within the Guard but could mesh well with Mordians and Praetorians.
Elysians would go best with Tallarn, Tanith, and Catachans for an 'elite, light infantry' design.
Vostroyans could easily just be removed from the lore or made into an Officio Prefectus styled unit.
Valhallans and Krieg as a shared box? Would need to have some slight redesigns to the concepts but could work.
Cadians would also work well with Catachans for a concept, assuming the Cadian sleeves start getting rolled up again or some armor plating on the arms is optional.
I think rather than generic bodies with mix and match heads, they’d be better going down the Necromunda route; a single sprue of 5 for each regiment, that can be built in two or three variations each, plus various special weapons doesn’t seem unachievable. You might even be able to fit the command squad bits on there too.
10+ Space marine armies is ok, they're basically the same model over and over with a wolf pelt or a bionic hand (excess SKUs is a different matter), but 10 distinct Imperial Guard armies seems ludicrous. They aren't Necro gangs, there's too much stuff required for this to be practical. Think of the finecast Aspect warriors, please, they've been through enough.
Jadenim wrote: I think rather than generic bodies with mix and match heads, they’d be better going down the Necromunda route; a single sprue of 5 for each regiment, that can be built in two or three variations each, plus various special weapons doesn’t seem unachievable. You might even be able to fit the command squad bits on there too.
Necromunda kits would be very nice, with the option of varied weapons you'd get a lot of variety very quickly. The other option would be warcry style kits; simpler but again offering a lot of versatility.
Either option could work. Perhaps a Warcry style for basic troops and heavy weapon teams and then an Underworld style for commanders/leaders/specialist troops.
Lets face it there are ways GW can do it, the real question is if GW wants to do it and if its considered profitable for them to do so.
I'd argue they probably can't add fifteen new and complete Imperial Guard armies to their flagship product and hope to maintain any semblance of sanity amongst the customer base.
JWBS wrote: I'd argue they probably can't add fifteen new and complete Imperial Guard armies to their flagship product and hope to maintain any semblance of sanity amongst the customer base.
15no, but like we said they could do what they've done with Slaves to Darkness, just on a bigger scale. 1 army, with one or two boxes of flavoured infantry themed around the different regiments. In theory if you want you can build a Slaves to Darkness force around any one of the Warcry battle forces. OF course for Slaves of Darkness the warcry armies are basically bottom level grunts in the force, for IG they'd be the infantry core troops. The vehicles, ogrines, elites, commanders etc... would all remain standard issue. GW could even put a few insignia and decorations into each box just like they do for Genestealer Cults to put on the vehicles.
It would allow some visual depiction of the guard regiments coming from different world backgrounds without having to make a new army for each one, which would be insanity.
No thanks. Guard is still a mess by the simple fact that we're expected to believe that unarmored Valhallans are the same as Catachans who are the same as Vostroyans or Cadians.
The army needs to be reworked from the ground up. Also, the WarCry stuff is good for WarCry notAoS proper.
Kanluwen wrote: Also, the WarCry stuff is good for WarCry notAoS proper.
With the exception that they are missing one key word on the warscroll like the marauders have, they are basically very similar in stats and fit the same general profile position in the army.
JWBS wrote: I'd argue they probably can't add fifteen new and complete Imperial Guard armies to their flagship product and hope to maintain any semblance of sanity amongst the customer base.
It would allow some visual depiction of the guard regiments coming from different world backgrounds without having to make a new army for each one, which would be insanity.
Yeah we used to get batreps with all seven main regiments in the same army back in the 90s, I really don't think it would fly anymore. Oh and we forgot Atillans, so that's them plus seven core regiments + FW (Elysian, DkoK) + Praetorians and Scions too. Forests would die to provide the new Codices. This is Wishlisting extreme edition.
JWBS wrote: I don't see why they'd make a new Catachan army. We can't really have all the old regiments anymore, for reasons of practicality we should only have one. Personally I'd much prefer Moradians, Valhallans or DkoK if it's not Cadians again.
Catachans.
We've seen like 5 or 6 new ones so far, the old kits are all undersized compared to the star players they have on-hand right now. (New ones).
Overread wrote: I just have to cross my fingers that "appearing soon" translates to "tomorrow" for her appearing on the GW website.
And don’t worry, you won’t need to rush down to your local Warhammer store on a given day, Sergeant Jackson will be available for 9 days (including 2 weekends) – from the 12th to the 20th of September. What’s more, we’ll guarantee you one – if the store runs out of stock they’ll order one in, just for you.
Aaaand…. If you don’t live near a Warhammer store, we’ve still got you covered. Plans are afoot to get the Sergeant on games-workshop.com soon so that, no matter where you are in the world, you can snag one.
To recap:
Get Sergeant ‘Ripper’ Jackson, only in Warhammer stores from the 12th to the 20th of September
Coming soon after to games-workshop.com
She’s clearly a badass!
It probably will be October or November for her to be posted on the GW site. I think that's about how long it took for Raine and Marbo to go up?
That will be a long wait for my first Cultist, but I can wait. Though I'd rather she came sooner as October and November are going to end up expensive months for me (Necorns in October and Daughters of Khaine and slaanesh in November)
Ouze wrote: Do you guys know if the Carl Weathers sculpt will ever be available other than the limited release it had?
No word yet. We don't know for sure yet whether or not the Colonel was to be an event model or not. We know that Ripper Jackson was supposed to be a store opening model though.
JWBS wrote: I don't see why they'd make a new Catachan army. We can't really have all the old regiments anymore, for reasons of practicality we should only have one. Personally I'd much prefer Moradians, Valhallans or DkoK if it's not Cadians again.
My pet theory/wish is that we'll see Necromunda style regiment boxes. 10 Cadians/Catachans/Mordians/etc with specials and heavy weapons and command bits. And maybe one alt build per box too if we're lucky.
Right now there are 7 IG infantry boxes (Cat/Cad infantry, Cat/Cad command, Cat/Cad heavies, push fit Cadians) which if they could squeeze everything down to one 5-man infantry sprue and 1 heavy/special weapon sprue they could do most of the major regiments and have the same number of boxes.
Ouze wrote: Do you guys know if the Carl Weathers sculpt will ever be available other than the limited release it had?
In theory, yes.
I’ve got one, and the packaging says “Store Anniversary Model”
So once we get a smidge of normality back, we should find opportunity.
That lines up with what one of the staffers at the GW was saying when I was picking up my copy of Ripper - a bit of a relief for everyone who wasn't able to get one from an Independent store, even if it might mean waiting a bit longer.
JWBS wrote: I'd argue they probably can't add fifteen new and complete Imperial Guard armies to their flagship product and hope to maintain any semblance of sanity amongst the customer base.
They don't have to.
Special Character Blisters Command Squad [Regiment] 1 Kit Infantry/Conscripts/Veterans [Regiment] 1 Kit HWT/SWT [Regiment] 1 Kit Ratlings 1 Kit
With the exception of the Leman Russ looking a lot like a Tonka truck toy, all of the other vehicles are fine as is.
So, pick the most popular 6 Regiments X3 = 18 Kits. I believe the Necrons are getting something like 20 Kits. Should be easy to do. The great thing is that you can spread it around, do two [Reigments] here, another two a few months down the road, or just do it all at once.
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Overread wrote: I just have to cross my fingers that "appearing soon" translates to "tomorrow" for her appearing on the GW website.
As my GW store manager explained, expect her to go up within 2 weeks after the 20th. And, expect her to sell out hella fast. My Local GW store sold all of their models in 12 minutes. I had to order one to be made to order, but at least I got one. A lot of people weren't so lucky and I expect they'll sell as fast as indomitus did once they hit the storefront.
I grabbed one, and ordered two on Saturday. As local stock didn’t sell through by Sunday, I’ve been given the greenlight to get my remaining two off the shelf.
Sadly I don’t currently have the funds to get a small stock for later distribution in the Loot Group (short announcement, orders close just before payday, expensive month and flatmate bailed on a £150 loan). But she’s there for those that want, and that’s what matters.
If we’re discussing new Guard, might I suggest this?
Cadian Derivatives -Cadian legs repurposed for Mordian/Cadian/Praetorian/Tallarn.
-Cadians get new heads with smaller helmets, but otherwise remain the same.
-Mordians get 10x the “Tank Commander” torso and new peaked cap heads.
-Tallarn get 10x the “Tank Commander” torso and new keffiyeh heads.
-Praetorians are Cadians with new pith helmet heads.
-Long-coated Guard -Steel Legion, Vostroyans.
-New sculpts all round. SL and Vostroyans get the same legs, with centrally-buttoned tunics and different heads.
-Proper Greatcoat Guard -Valhallans, UDF, and Krieg.
-All share new greatcoat legs (I know that Krieg have pinned greatcoats but shhh) -Krieg get centrally-buttoned tunics from SL and new heads.
-Valhallans get the same.
-Ultramar PDF get Cadian torsos and crested helmets.
-Steel Legion, Vostroyans, Mordians, Krieg and UDF all get the same (new) arms.
-Cadians and Praetorians get the current Cadian arms.
-Tallarn get new rolled-sleeve arms.
This is, of course, completely unfeasible, but a man can dream.
Dalek, someone pointed out what they've done with Necromunda. If they were able to get a half-dozen decently varied 5-man sprues out for banking on a spinoff game taking off, it seems entirely feasible they could do something like that for IG.
And yeah, if they were smart about it, they could revise the aesthetics to easily fit close to a dozen regiments to a third as many sprues, and open up some really nice conversion options between kitbashes.
Command could be a vet + cmd squad, or just an upgrade sprue, heavy weapons are trickier, but still not the worst. Release 1~3 unit sprues and a character for each type every so often and it's a splash of new guard players.
spiralingcadaver wrote: Dalek, someone pointed out what they've done with Necromunda. If they were able to get a half-dozen decently varied 5-man sprues out for banking on a spinoff game taking off, it seems entirely feasible they could do something like that for IG.
And yeah, if they were smart about it, they could revise the aesthetics to easily fit close to a dozen regiments to a third as many sprues, and open up some really nice conversion options between kitbashes.
Command could be a vet + cmd squad, or just an upgrade sprue, heavy weapons are trickier, but still not the worst. Release 1~3 unit sprues and a character for each type every so often and it's a splash of new guard players.
GW is going to mostly monopose figures so that 3rd party parts do not fit with the GW figures.
3rd party would just need a copy of the original to work out dimensions and design from there. Which is no different to super flexible multiparty kits.
3rd party would just need a copy of the original to work out dimensions and design from there. Which is no different to super flexible multiparty kits.
I guess it’s the difference between “some legs that with a little filing will fit most human-size models” and “half a thigh cut a 47 degree angle”. One can be widely used, the other is more investment for less return.
Really I think we’d need quite a lot of financial info on 3rd party sellers to confirm or deny this
spiralingcadaver wrote: Dalek, someone pointed out what they've done with Necromunda. If they were able to get a half-dozen decently varied 5-man sprues out for banking on a spinoff game taking off, it seems entirely feasible they could do something like that for IG.
And yeah, if they were smart about it, they could revise the aesthetics to easily fit close to a dozen regiments to a third as many sprues, and open up some really nice conversion options between kitbashes.
Command could be a vet + cmd squad, or just an upgrade sprue, heavy weapons are trickier, but still not the worst. Release 1~3 unit sprues and a character for each type every so often and it's a splash of new guard players.
GW is going to mostly monopose figures so that 3rd party parts do not fit with the GW figures.
I don’t think they are doing that, and if they are they are dumb. Every third party upgrade kit requires a GW kit as the base, so GW’s sales are unaffected, the third party manufacturers get their sales too and we all get cool looking armies; it’s win, win, win. If they make it practically impossible to use upgrade kits, the third party companies will just start making complete miniatures (which a lot of them already do), so the biggest loser would be GW, as people will just skip buying the base kit.
I actually think what you are seeing is a combination of a) trying to get more interesting, dynamic poses (which is good, to a degree*) and b) expunging any options that they can’t fit on the core sprue (which is more of a rules thing and bad). So they don’t need to make the models as easily customisable, because they’re not expecting people to kitbash, because there’s no options to add.
* Of course, they have a tendency to go too far with unique poses, such that you get very distinctive individuals that look dumb when repeated in large armies. Ironically the Necromunda kits, where this would be much less of a problem due to small gang size, actually disguise the repeated poses pretty damn well,
I think its purely a design choice for more dynamic models. I dont' think the 3rd parties come into it at all really. Sure for a time GW could shut them down, but they'd easily start making 3rd party parts that can bolt on or just outright replace the GW model.
Don't forget sometimes poseable models don't always work. Remember some of the older models had big chunky shoulders or ball and socket joints. Meanwhile if you go for very realistic joints you often end up with so few options on how to position that you basically end up with repeat poses any way. It can also increase the difficulty of assembly.
Plus look at all the competition; the vast majority are monopose as well. You get a few outliers like Kingdom Death, but broadly speaking most are like Infinity, Warmachine etc..
3rd party would just need a copy of the original to work out dimensions and design from there. Which is no different to super flexible multiparty kits.
I guess it’s the difference between “some legs that with a little filing will fit most human-size models” and “half a thigh cut a 47 degree angle”. One can be widely used, the other is more investment for less return.
Really I think we’d need quite a lot of financial info on 3rd party sellers to confirm or deny this
Which is why I suspect Wargames Atlantic is likely cashing in with their sci-fi and history ranges that, whilst great kits in their own right, can be re-purposed to fit in with the 40K crowd* that aren't reliant on official tournaments or GW stores for their games fix. One doesn't even need GW figures to convert.
*based on my painting up 55 Les Grognard as not-Vostroyans.
Overread wrote: YES! Glad it wasn't a long wait, odd that they didn't just do it on the weekend at the same time; but great now she's up!
I’m guessing that they wanted to encourage people to go into their local stores, advertising that it would be available so soon on the website would have discouraged local sales.
Also, why is the format of this page so wide on my phone? I was scrolling down, expecting to find a massive picture.
No they couldn't. That's the point. That's what led to the disastrous court-case, where GW claimed ownership of things like skulls, arrows, grenade launchers, and Roman numerals, what caused them to change their miniature style, and eventually the no model=no rule nonsense we have to deal with today.
I've said it a dozen times before:
GW and CHS went to court, but we're the ones who lost.
Overread wrote: I think its purely a design choice for more dynamic models. I dont' think the 3rd parties come into it at all really.
Of course they did. The shift in miniature design came after the CHS debacle.
The most common third party bits are shoulderpads and heads, GW conciously made Primaris Marines 100% compatable with old school pads and heads. even old school backpacks can be fitted on primaris Marines with almost no effort
Got two of the Sergeant as a friend wants one. Also picked up a Solitaire, as it's the one Harli mini I don't have and it's Direct Only so might as well given shipping is free. That said, the price is a sign of the times (or a sign of GW's constant price increases). AUD$55 for a single Catachan mini compared to less than AUD$30 for the Harli character.
BrianDavion wrote: The most common third party bits are shoulderpads and heads, GW conciously made Primaris Marines 100% compatable with old school pads and heads. even old school backpacks can be fitted on primaris Marines with almost no effort
And? So? But? Therefore? GW had a range of their own shoulder pads and accessories that they didn't want to invalidate.
So, pick the most popular 6 Regiments X3 = 18 Kits. I believe the Necrons are getting something like 20 Kits. Should be easy to do. The great thing is that you can spread it around, do two [Reigments] here, another two a few months down the road, or just do it all at once.
Necron kits aren't 5 kits done in 4 different style.
Unless you can convince every IG player will buy every regiment type not much chance. You 6x production cost but sale count won't likely even double.
So, pick the most popular 6 Regiments X3 = 18 Kits. I believe the Necrons are getting something like 20 Kits. Should be easy to do. The great thing is that you can spread it around, do two [Reigments] here, another two a few months down the road, or just do it all at once.
Necron kits aren't 5 kits done in 4 different style.
Unless you can convince every IG player will buy every regiment type not much chance. You 6x production cost but sale count won't likely even double.
Yeah, that's why I'm hoping for really efficient sprues (either single regiment that can cover all the bases, or modular/multi-regiment). I think it's unrealistic to expect them to do 3 kits for that many regiments individually, but if they're smart about it I think they could stretch a few sprues a very long way, and wind up with a well-supported IG line.
More on topic, I don't know if the model looks bad because it feels like no one at GW has ever painted catachan skin well, or because it's just not very detailed, but... yeah, big pass for me on this one. If it were like $15 I might spring for it as a fun project, but once more GW's character prices make it very difficult to justify anything short of amazing.
No they couldn't. That's the point. That's what led to the disastrous court-case, where GW claimed ownership of things like skulls, arrows, grenade launchers, and Roman numerals, what caused them to change their miniature style, and eventually the no model=no rule nonsense we have to deal with today.
I've said it a dozen times before:
GW and CHS went to court, but we're the ones who lost.
While I agree with this almost entirely, as it also led to all the renaming things since the copyright and trademark offices told them they were too generic. That and claimng all swords and heraldry are your intellectual property was not one of their smarter moves.
That said, yes, GW has made it very obvious that the retooling was just to screw with existing aftermarket parts manufactures since they couldn't do so legally. It's also why GW still has that clause prohibiting blending someone else's IP with GW's.
BaronIveagh wrote: It's also why GW still has that clause prohibiting blending someone else's IP with GW's.
Which is why the guys at Creative Assembly have to keep reminding the Total War community to not mod other IPs into the Warhammer Total War games. They could lose their licensing as a result.
BaronIveagh wrote: It's also why GW still has that clause prohibiting blending someone else's IP with GW's.
Which is why the guys at Creative Assembly have to keep reminding the Total War community to not mod other IPs into the Warhammer Total War games. They could lose their licensing as a result.
Yeah, the lack of mods in some GW based games is getting really old. Most 40k games, the modding is the best part.
Considering they're potentially up to 6 months later, will the made-to-order version of this mini be the same packaging as the one available at the moment? I doubt it will be different as the site page shows the same packaging, but would just be a bit of an annoyance if it gets a different box because of the new logo and such.
Overread wrote: I think its purely a design choice for more dynamic models. I dont' think the 3rd parties come into it at all really.
Of course they did. The shift in miniature design came after the CHS debacle.
Nice. I'd like to follow this line of logic and thank CHS for also bringing us Primaris marines, Adeptus Titanicus, plastic Sisters, Genestealer cult, vastly expanded terrain options, etc etc etc etc.
New designs are unrelated to third party manufacturers though.
Mentlegen324 wrote: Considering they're potentially up to 6 months later, will the made-to-order version of this mini be the same packaging as the one available at the moment? I doubt it will be different as the site page shows the same packaging, but would just be a bit of an annoyance if it gets a different box because of the new logo and such.
Amulius, Varus & Tariana Palos all came in the same boxes they were originally available in.
JWBS wrote: New designs are unrelated to third party manufacturers though.
But the way the miniatures are designed, with fewer posing options, fewer options, and so on, are directly related. That was the point that either you ignored, missed, or simply failed to understand.
JWBS wrote: New designs are unrelated to third party manufacturers though.
But the way the miniatures are designed, with fewer posing options, fewer options, and so on, are directly related. That was the point that either you ignored, missed, or simply failed to understand.
All you've done is noted a weak correlation, mistaken it for causation, then falsely asserted that newer stuff is more limited.
Behold, the awesomely modular tactical squad. So incredibly poseable, much options. Amazing.
JWBS wrote: New designs are unrelated to third party manufacturers though.
But the way the miniatures are designed, with fewer posing options, fewer options, and so on, are directly related. That was the point that either you ignored, missed, or simply failed to understand.
All you've done is noted a weak correlation, mistaken it for causation, then falsely asserted that newer stuff is more limited.
You don't suspect that things like the current Canoness profile ("Can be armed with a bolt pistol if also equipped with a chainsword. Can swap the bolt pistol for a plasma pistol if it's the last week of the month. If equipped with a chainsword and plasma pistol, can be equipped with a rod of office if Mars, Venus and Saturn are aligned." ...or something along those lines) is influenced by trying to stop other companies from supplying extra bits? If that's not the reason, what is? It certainly isn't about limiting options for a smoother gameplay experience, and neither does game balance appear to be a logical explanation.
H.B.M.C. wrote: You're being intentionally obtuse. Or just plain old dishonest.
Not even a little bit. Those marines are no more adaptable than the current batch, they come with far fewer options, and the new designs aren't related to third parties. Everything you say on this topic is incorrect.
JWBS wrote: New designs are unrelated to third party manufacturers though.
But the way the miniatures are designed, with fewer posing options, fewer options, and so on, are directly related. That was the point that either you ignored, missed, or simply failed to understand.
All you've done is noted a weak correlation, mistaken it for causation, then falsely asserted that newer stuff is more limited.
You don't suspect that things like the current Canoness profile ("Can be armed with a bolt pistol if also equipped with a chainsword. Can swap the bolt pistol for a plasma pistol if it's the last week of the month. If equipped with a chainsword and plasma pistol, can be equipped with a rod of office if Mars, Venus and Saturn are aligned." ...or something along those lines) is influenced by trying to stop other companies from supplying extra bits? If that's not the reason, what is? It certainly isn't about limiting options for a smoother gameplay experience, and neither does game balance appear to be a logical explanation.
How are they stopping companies from supplying extra stuff by limiting options? Third party makers always made stuff that was already available from GW, and it's the same now. Backpacks, shoulders, heads, weapons, GW always supplied them, third parties always sold alternates, and it's still the same in both cases. I can show you a ton of third party designer / manufacturers if you want, they're still in business, still expanding their ranges to match GW. If GW have tried to put them out of business they've failed, but they aren't trying to so the theory is moot.
JWBS wrote: New designs are unrelated to third party manufacturers though.
But the way the miniatures are designed, with fewer posing options, fewer options, and so on, are directly related. That was the point that either you ignored, missed, or simply failed to understand.
All you've done is noted a weak correlation, mistaken it for causation, then falsely asserted that newer stuff is more limited.
You don't suspect that things like the current Canoness profile ("Can be armed with a bolt pistol if also equipped with a chainsword. Can swap the bolt pistol for a plasma pistol if it's the last week of the month. If equipped with a chainsword and plasma pistol, can be equipped with a rod of office if Mars, Venus and Saturn are aligned." ...or something along those lines) is influenced by trying to stop other companies from supplying extra bits? If that's not the reason, what is? It certainly isn't about limiting options for a smoother gameplay experience, and neither does game balance appear to be a logical explanation.
How are they stopping companies from supplying extra stuff by limiting options? Third party makers always made stuff that was already available from GW, and it's the same now. Backpacks, shoulders, heads, weapons, GW always supplied them, third parties always sold alternates, and it's still the same in both cases. I can show you a ton of third party designer / manufacturers if you want, they're still in business, still expanding their ranges to match GW. If GW have tried to put them out of business they've failed, but they aren't trying to so the theory is moot.
Because they only allow the options for which they sell models to exist in the rules.
The rules for the Canoness state that she can't have a brazier of holy fire if she is armed with a power sword or blessed blade, only if she is armed with a chainsword. As it happens, those weapons are held in the same arm for GW's Canoness miniature, but the chainsword is also included as a sheathed version, so the mini can be built to have a chainsword and brazier, but not a power sword and brazier. As such, the rules are conveniently limited by how the miniature can be built (and only the current version, some load-outs befitting older sculpts are removed). This in turn means there is far less reason for other companies to produce, say, a backpack with sheathed power sword for this mini, as the existing figure can already be built in the limited ways it can be equipped. There is also no reason for them to produce a Canoness with a jump pack, as the rules don't allow for it, because GW don't produce a model for it. While it doesn't fully stop other companies from producing miniatures or bits, GW takes away their potential niche in the market by covering all available options themselves - not by themselves providing sculpts for many options, but by limiting the rules to the few they sell. Now, I'm not so much concerned with how that affects these other companies, but the resulting limitations in the rules (and modelling of the figures) are certainly a shame, and implemented for no other reason than to deprive potential third companies from supplying the missing bits. That the rules become near-illegible and players limited in both their gameplay and modelling options is apparently a price GW is happy to pay.
H.B.M.C. wrote: You're being intentionally obtuse. Or just plain old dishonest.
Not even a little bit. Those marines are no more adaptable than the current batch, they come with far fewer options, and the new designs aren't related to third parties. Everything you say on this topic is incorrect.
Umm... no? Those tacticals were built around ~20 years of space marines where a selling point was their modular nature, interacting with nearly every other infantry kit in various power armored lines. The intercessors came with 3 bolters that are barely distinguishable and a little do-dad to stick on one and call a special weapon, and it took multiple upgrade packs before their sergeants had in-codex rules for gear choices, which still don't impact things as much as some of the old tacticals could do. At least the heads are interchangeable but even the shoulders were designed to be distinct. If the question is cosmetic, a tactical box came with more immediately identifiable different weapons. If the question is mechanical, heavy, special, and sergeant weapons outweigh different types of bolters. If the question is combinatory options, you can get a ton of options out of non-fixed torsos etc.
It's cool if you like the new models for aesthetic reasons or because you don't feel the new parts breakdown harms their flexibility for your purposes, but it's very difficult to argue primaris are more adaptable and come with more options than the older kits.
Nice. I'd like to follow this line of logic and thank CHS for also bringing us Primaris marines, Adeptus Titanicus, plastic Sisters, Genestealer cult, vastly expanded terrain options, etc etc etc etc.
New designs are unrelated to third party manufacturers though.
Point of fact, GW made the primaris as a direct result of CHS' 'True Scale' marines.
How are they stopping companies from supplying extra stuff by limiting options? Third party makers always made stuff that was already available from GW, and it's the same now. Backpacks, shoulders, heads, weapons, GW always supplied them, third parties always sold alternates, and it's still the same in both cases. I can show you a ton of third party designer / manufacturers if you want, they're still in business, still expanding their ranges to match GW. If GW have tried to put them out of business they've failed, but they aren't trying to so the theory is moot.
I dunno about anyone else here, but I've been the recipient of a GW C&D for the old Dark Reign 40kRPG site. So I have to suggest that this isn't entirely true. GW has sued quite a number of bits producers over the years, but after this loss in the Chapterhouse case, they've adjusted their approach.
