When and it is only a matter of when gw release there new imperial guard troop kit its going to destroy more armies in one go than any other box ever released. The scale is definitely going to be different so all the new guardsman and woman are going to be a foot taller than their cadia brethren and it's going to require a complete re do of the entire armoury of the imperial guard army.every tank every sentinel every valkyrie is going to have to be resized for gw new super size guardsman
It will destroy more collections in one box than any single box has before.
It will be nice to have women include and a new kit but oh boy it's going to destroy twice the armies primaris ever did.
If you need proof this is going to happen go buy severina raine .she stands at least a foot above what are meant to be 6 foot tall cadian troopers.

I actually believe you on this because every.single.time. I have completed an army or done extensive conversions, GW has changed the rules or come out with new models.....and I am on the verge of finishing my IG army.

How do the traitor guard from Blackstone compare?

Primaris Astra Militarum confirmed!

Icegoat wrote:
When and it is only a matter of when gw release there new imperial guard troop kit its going to destroy more armies in one go than any other box ever released. The scale is definitely going to be different so all the new guardsman and woman are going to be a foot taller than their cadia brethren and it's going to require a complete re do of the entire armoury of the imperial guard army.every tank every sentinel every valkyrie is going to have to be resized for gw new super size guardsman
It will destroy more collections in one box than any single box has before.
It will be nice to have women include and a new kit but oh boy it's going to destroy twice the armies primaris ever did.
If you need proof this is going to happen go buy severina raine .she stands at least a foot above what are meant to be 6 foot tall cadian troopers.

ok

Not to be blunt, but..."duh" comes to mind.

...And?

40k's been being "killed" since as far back as I can remember, and I can remember in to the nineties.

I think it'll be fine. And I doubt they'll make Catachan somehow the end-all, be-all of models.

Look at sisters for example, whom are certainly better than they've ever been, but are hardly OMGWTFBBQ overpowered.

Infantry scale has never matched tank scale. Why would this suddenly start mattering?

Icegoat wrote:
When and it is only a matter of when gw release there new imperial guard troop kit its going to destroy more armies in one go than any other box ever released. The scale is definitely going to be different so all the new guardsman and woman are going to be a foot taller than their cadia brethren and it's going to require a complete re do of the entire armoury of the imperial guard army.every tank every sentinel every valkyrie is going to have to be resized for gw new super size guardsman
It will destroy more collections in one box than any single box has before.
It will be nice to have women include and a new kit but oh boy it's going to destroy twice the armies primaris ever did.
If you need proof this is going to happen go buy severina raine .she stands at least a foot above what are meant to be 6 foot tall cadian troopers.

The plastic Cadians are already too large and were larger than the metal models they replaced. If Guard models get bigger just don't buy those if you don't like them.
Before those there were the plastic Catachan mini's which may actually be just a little shorted than the Cadians but still larger than the old Metals.

The only true upsizing I want is taller hats.

I have a Primaris army and then I have a Space Marine army, they are not intermixed. You could do the same thing with Guard if you wanted.

Dakka: "We want new guard kits!"

GW: "Ok here you go"

Dakka: "No, not like that!"

And, no, she is not wildly taller. She's standing on a god damn rock and has a giant hat.

The title should really be "A..." instead of "The...", made me panic slightly.

I don't think they will scale them up too much, they probably want the Marines to tower over them.

In all honesty, I would like to see about a 5% decrease in the size of guardsmen, just to make the classic marines look better.

 cuda1179 wrote:
In all honesty, I would like to see about a 5% decrease in the size of guardsmen, just to make the classic marines look better.

I don't think classic marines really factor into GW decision making anymore...

Where is this mentioned new guard troop kit?

I am somehow doubtful that it even exists, much less that it will ruin the game.

Removed - Rule #1 please

General Hobbs wrote:


I actually believe you on this because every.single.time. I have completed an army or done extensive conversions, GW has changed the rules or come out with new models.....and I am on the verge of finishing my IG army.

How do the traitor guard from Blackstone compare?

I don't have the Traitor Guard, but Aradia Medellan is almost identical in height to the metal Primaris Psyker after accounting for the higher 32mm base.

I heard that GW is going to use the old M.A.S.K. 2" action figures as the mold for the new Imperial Guard. Gone are the lasgun as the helmets are fitted with the laser that shoot beams out of their helmet, or mask, visor.

It's April already right?

What new Imperial Guard troop kit? Know something we don’t?

 Asmodai wrote:

General Hobbs wrote:


I actually believe you on this because every.single.time. I have completed an army or done extensive conversions, GW has changed the rules or come out with new models.....and I am on the verge of finishing my IG army.

How do the traitor guard from Blackstone compare?

I don't have the Traitor Guard, but Aradia Medellan is almost identical in height to the metal Primaris Psyker after accounting for the higher 32mm base.

Same exact size, bit more skinny and less.muscular ,allbeit the bsf traitor guard also has females in so no size will not change.

 JohnnyHell wrote:
What new Imperial Guard troop kit? Know something we don’t?

No. It's a badly worded title that makes you jump to the conclusion that there has been some sort of evidence of a new kit.

Lol at OP, his posts up to this point have been somewhat doom and gloom with zero substance to back up his outlandish claims. Nothing really to see here, relax.

 Trickstick wrote:

 cuda1179 wrote:
In all honesty, I would like to see about a 5% decrease in the size of guardsmen, just to make the classic marines look better.

I don't think classic marines really factor into GW decision making anymore...

I think the'll go with the basic CSM kit now for marine scaling. It'd be cool if classic SM were redone to that scaling.

 Insectum7 wrote:

 Trickstick wrote:

 cuda1179 wrote:
In all honesty, I would like to see about a 5% decrease in the size of guardsmen, just to make the classic marines look better.

I don't think classic marines really factor into GW decision making anymore...

I think the'll go with the basic CSM kit now for marine scaling. It'd be cool if classic SM were redone to that scaling.

the new CSM kit is a pretty good example of this whole thread being a nothing burger. CSMs increased in size, but that didn't immediatly obselete CSM rhinos. vindicators etc.

BrianDavion wrote:

 Insectum7 wrote:

 Trickstick wrote:

 cuda1179 wrote:
In all honesty, I would like to see about a 5% decrease in the size of guardsmen, just to make the classic marines look better.

I don't think classic marines really factor into GW decision making anymore...

I think the'll go with the basic CSM kit now for marine scaling. It'd be cool if classic SM were redone to that scaling.

the new CSM kit is a pretty good example of this whole thread being a nothing burger. CSMs increased in size, but that didn't immediatly obselete CSM rhinos. vindicators etc.

Heh. Agreed about the kits, and agreed about the burger.

Honestly, it's like some people exist simply to find reasons to be upset with their hobby. I mean look if your soul hobby activity consists of finding reasons why it will proably be ruined in the future, maybe it's time to find another hobby

I think in this case its more about attention and less about actual 'rage'.

Breaking News: 40k Player says GW release will kill game! Tune in next week for the exact same thing!

(Stop feeding the troll.)

 Trickstick wrote:

 JohnnyHell wrote:
What new Imperial Guard troop kit? Know something we don’t?

No. It's a badly worded title that makes you jump to the conclusion that there has been some sort of evidence of a new kit.

Yeah. I was hoping that something had been leaked or previewed, but I couldn't find anything.

General Hobbs wrote:


I actually believe you on this because every.single.time. I have completed an army or done extensive conversions, GW has changed the rules or come out with new models.....and I am on the verge of finishing my IG army.

Well then for the love of God learn from the past & DON'T COMPLETE YOUR ARMY!

General Hobbs wrote:


I actually believe you on this because every.single.time. I have completed an army or done extensive conversions, GW has changed the rules or come out with new models.....and I am on the verge of finishing my IG army.

How do the traitor guard from Blackstone compare?

The blackstone traitor guard are great. They're smaller than Cadians in proportions, in that they look like actual human beings comparatively. But if you made new Cadians in that scale as well you would be able to mix them in with your original 20 year old Cadian Plastics and they would look fine, their worst flaw being that they look so much better than the old plastics.

Icegoat wrote:
When and it is only a matter of when gw release there new imperial guard troop kit its going to destroy more armies in one go than any other box ever released. The scale is definitely going to be different so all the new guardsman and woman are going to be a foot taller than their cadia brethren and it's going to require a complete re do of the entire armoury of the imperial guard army.every tank every sentinel every valkyrie is going to have to be resized for gw new super size guardsman
It will destroy more collections in one box than any single box has before.
It will be nice to have women include and a new kit but oh boy it's going to destroy twice the armies primaris ever did.
If you need proof this is going to happen go buy severina raine .she stands at least a foot above what are meant to be 6 foot tall cadian troopers.

Right. But does' that mean the game has died multiple deaths each time they released new Space Marine Tactical Squad models and had to increase the size of all Space Marine vehicles?

Oh, wait. They only resized the Rhino once and the game didn't die.

Oh, well.

Icegoat wrote:
When and it is only a matter of when gw release there new imperial guard troop kit its going to destroy more armies in one go than any other box ever released. The scale is definitely going to be different so all the new guardsman and woman are going to be a foot taller than their cadia brethren and it's going to require a complete re do of the entire armoury of the imperial guard army.every tank every sentinel every valkyrie is going to have to be resized for gw new super size guardsman
It will destroy more collections in one box than any single box has before.
It will be nice to have women include and a new kit but oh boy it's going to destroy twice the armies primaris ever did.
If you need proof this is going to happen go buy severina raine .she stands at least a foot above what are meant to be 6 foot tall cadian troopers.

How tall are skitarii in comparison to a guardsman? They are the closest new army that is also human. If skitarii are significantly taller than sure

 Daedalus81 wrote:
Dakka: "We want new guard kits!"

GW: "Ok here you go"

Dakka: "No, not like that!"

And, no, she is not wildly taller. She's standing on a god damn rock and has a giant hat.

What's the grey Valhallen looking one?

 fraser1191 wrote:

Icegoat wrote:
When and it is only a matter of when gw release there new imperial guard troop kit its going to destroy more armies in one go than any other box ever released. The scale is definitely going to be different so all the new guardsman and woman are going to be a foot taller than their cadia brethren and it's going to require a complete re do of the entire armoury of the imperial guard army.every tank every sentinel every valkyrie is going to have to be resized for gw new super size guardsman
It will destroy more collections in one box than any single box has before.
It will be nice to have women include and a new kit but oh boy it's going to destroy twice the armies primaris ever did.
If you need proof this is going to happen go buy severina raine .she stands at least a foot above what are meant to be 6 foot tall cadian troopers.

How tall are skitarii in comparison to a guardsman? They are the closest new army that is also human. If skitarii are significantly taller than sure

Similar height, but they're not so chunky so they look taller.

Ah yes.. the same guy who thinks eldar should be squatted because he don't like them...

40k is a tardigrade. You can boil it, irradiate it, burn it.. but nothing will kill it.

 bullyboy wrote:
Lol at OP, his posts up to this point have been somewhat doom and gloom with zero substance to back up his outlandish claims. Nothing really to see here, relax.

True as that may be, I think he actually has a point this time. Not for the reasons he's stating, but for another reason: the price.

A new 10-man Guard infantry kit is going to be horrifically expensive (just look at the recent Retributor and Banshee kits FFS). A Guard army where 10 infantry cost the same if not more than a box of 10 Primaris is just going to kill the Guard (maybe not 40k!).

ccs wrote:
What's the grey Valhallen looking one?

It's an Artel mini.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 bullyboy wrote:
Lol at OP, his posts up to this point have been somewhat doom and gloom with zero substance to back up his outlandish claims. Nothing really to see here, relax.

True as that may be, I think he actually has a point this time. Not for the reasons he's stating, but for another reason: the price.

A new 10-man Guard infantry kit is going to be horrifically expensive (just look at the recent Retributor and Banshee kits FFS). A Guard army where 10 infantry cost the same if not more than a box of 10 Primaris is just going to kill the Guard (maybe not 40k!).

ccs wrote:
What's the grey Valhallen looking one?

It's an Artel mini.

Nah I think its all part of the plan and it just means GW is closer to achieving its goal.. Everyone will be pushed to being a Space Marines. WHy bother supporting non-SM factions when you can just get those people switch to space marines because they are cheaper and better?
Imagine if they could just convert every other faction player to space marines? Just think of the sales!!!!

 Argive wrote:
Imagine if they could just convert every other faction player to space marines? Just think of the sales!!!!

Coming soon from GW:

Primarinids
Orkaris
Drukaris
Aedaris
Primiquins
Imprimaris Guard
Chaos Primaris Marines
Necronis
The P'rimaris Empire
Adeptus Primstodes
Adepta Primaritas
Adeptus Primaricus
Primaris Daemons

Primaris all the time!

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Chaos Primaris Marines

After 20+ years in the game and 30+ of the setting, that'd be the last. Fething. Straw.

 Melissia wrote:
40k's been being "killed" since as far back as I can remember, and I can remember in to the nineties.

I think it'll be fine. And I doubt they'll make Catachan somehow the end-all, be-all of models.

Look at sisters for example, whom are certainly better than they've ever been, but are hardly OMGWTFBBQ overpowered.

Eeeeh...Did you read the OP? Like even once? Wasn't particularly long post to read.

He's not talking about game power. He's not saying we are going to get 2 pts S4 T4 troops that shoot rapid fire 5 S5 -3 shots. He's talking about SCALE CREEP of models. He's saying he expects models to be head taller making them incompatible with models like with sisters(good comparison there) where plastics are pretty much spot on head taller to old metals.

Doubt it gets that bad but price will be nastier. 35£ as a minimum for 10 will certainly make collecting IG lot harder.

Gadzilla666 wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Chaos Primaris Marines

After 20+ years in the game and 30+ of the setting, that'd be the last. Fething. Straw.

you say that but there are already CSM players doing the "why can't we have them too?"

From a miniature perspective you could say we already have them...

BrianDavion wrote:

Gadzilla666 wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Chaos Primaris Marines

After 20+ years in the game and 30+ of the setting, that'd be the last. Fething. Straw.

you say that but there are already CSM players doing the "why can't we have them too?"

Well I ain't fething one of them.


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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
From a miniature perspective you could say we already have them...

More true scale models is fine. But Chaos Space Marines are ancient embittered warriors who strike from the very mouth of hell to wreak havoc upon the empire that failed them. Not shiny new overgrown muscle heads with tacticool armour.

Well, if they do, I'll just use the new kits as well as my older metals. Because I can.

(BTW: the 2nd/3rd Ed Cadians make a great custom regiment).

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I think he actually has a point this time. Not for the reasons he's stating, but for another reason: the price.

A new 10-man Guard infantry kit is going to be horrifically expensive (just look at the recent Retributor and Banshee kits FFS). A Guard army where 10 infantry cost the same if not more than a box of 10 Primaris is just going to kill the Guard (maybe not 40k!).

This is most likely. Almost certain. Points down and prices up plus global economic recession (for whatever reason, depending on who you read - virus, state level economic terrorism via proxy, unpayable debt-bubbles, etc) seems to imply that Primaricus Imperius Guardicus collectors will feel quite the rock-and-hard-place pinch...

 jeff white wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I think he actually has a point this time. Not for the reasons he's stating, but for another reason: the price.

A new 10-man Guard infantry kit is going to be horrifically expensive (just look at the recent Retributor and Banshee kits FFS). A Guard army where 10 infantry cost the same if not more than a box of 10 Primaris is just going to kill the Guard (maybe not 40k!).

This is most likely. Almost certain. Points down and prices up plus global economic recession (for whatever reason, depending on who you read - virus, state level economic terrorism via proxy, unpayable debt-bubbles, etc) seems to imply that Primaricus Imperius Guardicus collectors will feel quite the rock-and-hard-place pinch...

Honestly, the GSC neophytes will probably be the price standard for them.
And they ain't excactly cheap. Don't get me wrong, great set and all but price / point ratio is not good for GSC, i can't imagine what a guard player will pay beeing more reliant on infantry for the job then monsters and elites.

EVEN WORSE it will turn out when traitor guard show up / lost and the damned, beeing historically an Infantry horde army with highlighting put on the horde.




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Gadzilla666 wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

Gadzilla666 wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Chaos Primaris Marines

After 20+ years in the game and 30+ of the setting, that'd be the last. Fething. Straw.

you say that but there are already CSM players doing the "why can't we have them too?"

Well I ain't fething one of them.

Chaos primaris marines? I mean i wouldn't be opposed to them in the context of let's say renegade chapters.
I also wouldn't be opposed to stolen goods for weaponry.

But i am also not really of the opinion we need them. Also further fun fact you can pretty much mix and match CSM with primaris if you feel so inclined for better CSM models. (I am especially a sucker for the boltguns, which are imo the only really outstanding thing that primaris have over CSM, because whilest i have nothing against beltfed guns, i prefer magazines )

 jeff white wrote:
This is most likely. Almost certain. Points down and prices up plus global economic recession (for whatever reason, depending on who you read - virus, state level economic terrorism via proxy, unpayable debt-bubbles, etc) seems to imply that Primaricus Imperius Guardicus collectors will feel quite the rock-and-hard-place pinch...

Well as long as we don't have some sort of massive disruption to the British export situation any time soon, things should be fine...

If anything the out of this world price may hurt new guard players, that'll be about it as they'll insanely expensive for cheap chaff troops.

A new kit would convince me to collect Guard. The only reason I don't are the old, badly proportioned models.

You know what I always say, a person who can't find decent Imperial Guard infantry miniatures from an alternative producer isn't trying hard enough.

 Agamemnon2 wrote:
You know what I always say, a person who can't find decent Imperial Guard infantry miniatures from an alternative producer isn't trying hard enough.

And if I want to use it at a Warhammer World event I can't. So no for me

It's a reasonable expectation to buy your army again every 5-10 years. Current guard look like chubby toddlers.

There's no rule that states that you must use the latest model though. If you want to use the old models that's fine.

The current guard aren't great, but I'm more bothered by the lack of variety when it comes to regiments.
Remember when we had Vostroyans, Valhallans, Mordians and Steel Legions on shelves instead of just Cadians and Catachans (which, imo, are quite dull aesthetically speaking)? I remember.


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 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Primaris Daemons

That actually sounds kind of cool. Like a mini-boss level demon.

Back in those days we had metal models.

You can thank all the people who made metal models be replaced by plastic for lack of variety in regiments.

They were great, loved the Tallarns and Mordians myself but we should also remember that there was little to no customability (did I invent that word? ) on special/heavy weapon loadouts and they took a skilled modeller to convert.

The Cadian kit is so much better than the old metal models. The amount of conversions that I have done with the plastics is insane. Can you imagine converting a metal lasgunner to a plasma gunner, and how much work that is? With a plastic kit you can do it in a few minutes.

tneva82 wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
40k's been being "killed" since as far back as I can remember, and I can remember in to the nineties.

I think it'll be fine. And I doubt they'll make Catachan somehow the end-all, be-all of models.

Look at sisters for example, whom are certainly better than they've ever been, but are hardly OMGWTFBBQ overpowered.

Eeeeh...Did you read the OP? Like even once? Wasn't particularly long post to read.

He's not talking about game power. He's not saying we are going to get 2 pts S4 T4 troops that shoot rapid fire 5 S5 -3 shots. He's talking about SCALE CREEP of models. He's saying he expects models to be head taller making them incompatible with models like with sisters(good comparison there) where plastics are pretty much spot on head taller to old metals.

Doubt it gets that bad but price will be nastier. 35£ as a minimum for 10 will certainly make collecting IG lot harder.

Except that the new sisters were replacing ancient old metal minis and Cadians are the exact same height and size of all the recent human-scale figures.

If anything one of the new BSF traitor guardsmen looks smaller than a cadian because the shoulderpads and helmet aren't Spaceballs Trooper sized.

*and, unlike primaris marines, a lot of the height differential with new sisters is the new base. I've seen an army that's a mix of both. On the same bases, the sisters and repentia are very similar, while the seraphim are obviously way taller because...they're on actual flying bases now.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

ccs wrote:
What's the grey Valhallen looking one?

It's an Artel mini.

And Gunner Jurgen from the Ciaphas Cain books. Loads of pouches, meltagun, flask of tea and a slice of toast? That's Jurgen.

What I don't understand is why GW can release boxes for AoS of infantry with 20 man boxes for 40€ (Like Morterk Guard or Tzeentch Cultists) and then in GW the prices are always so much more expensive. Is insane.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Argive wrote:
Imagine if they could just convert every other faction player to space marines? Just think of the sales!!!!

Coming soon from GW:

Primarinids
Orkaris
Drukaris
Aedaris
Primiquins
Imprimaris Guard
Chaos Primaris Marines
Necronis
The P'rimaris Empire
Adeptus Primstodes
Adepta Primaritas
Adeptus Primaricus
Primaris Daemons

Primaris all the time!

No i meant flat out keep choking the life out of non marine faction until more people switch over and so they can just squat everything else. Horus Heresy in the 42nd millenium. You know this is gee duwwbs ceo's wet dream lol.

Just think about it man... No more pesky neckbeards moaning about never getting support or balance. Just. Space. Marines.. And sales... sales everywhere... they are on track for HH42k

So new guard kit wont kill 40k. But might kill guard. Its a win win fir geeeww duuubs.

 BertBert wrote:
It's a reasonable expectation to buy your army again every 5-10 years. Current guard look like chubby toddlers.

No. It isn't. Plastic and metal should last 50,000years. Unless WW3 or a local Fukushima, there should be zero reason to have to rebuild armies made of plastic and metal.


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Gadzilla666 wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Chaos Primaris Marines

After 20+ years in the game and 30+ of the setting, that'd be the last. Fething. Straw.

Yeah. I am not sure how to rhink about it. Adeptus Restartes are heresy. This is a given. Does this mean that my proper marines are traitors or does it mean that they are loyalist except in the rule books.


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 Trickstick wrote:
The Cadian kit is so much better than the old metal models. The amount of conversions that I have done with the plastics is insane. Can you imagine converting a metal lasgunner to a plasma gunner, and how much work that is? With a plastic kit you can do it in a few minutes.

These materials are NOT mutually exclusive. I loved the old metals and the multipart cadians and have some of both. I am less impressed with the new plastics that are monopose more than even the old metals were and also require cutting for conversions. At the same time there is the IP no model no rule madness that takes all the fun out of customizing models in the context of the game regardless. Just not a great time for the converting and customizing aspects of the hobby... not imo anyways.

 Trickstick wrote:

 JohnnyHell wrote:
What new Imperial Guard troop kit? Know something we don’t?

No. It's a badly worded title that makes you jump to the conclusion that there has been some sort of evidence of a new kit.

Thought it was pure clickbait.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
There's no rule that states that you must use the latest model though. If you want to use the old models that's fine.

The current guard aren't great, but I'm more bothered by the lack of variety when it comes to regiments.
Remember when we had Vostroyans, Valhallans, Mordians and Steel Legions on shelves instead of just Cadians and Catachans (which, imo, are quite dull aesthetically speaking)? I remember.

I do indeed. It's why I'll never need to buy another IG figure in my life. Unless I want to of course.....

 jeff white wrote:
I am less impressed with the new plastics that are monopose more than even the old metals were and also require cutting for conversions.

I really hate those new plastics. Every Cadian I have looks different, other than a few metal plasma/melta. However, the pose on those is pretty generic so it isn't so bad. However, seeing someone with three copies of the new Commissar just makes me sad.

This thread just prompted me to re-introduce my lil metal Imperial Assassins back onto the table. So cute!

 Trickstick wrote:

 jeff white wrote:
I am less impressed with the new plastics that are monopose more than even the old metals were and also require cutting for conversions.

I really hate those new plastics. Every Cadian I have looks different, other than a few metal plasma/melta. However, the pose on those is pretty generic so it isn't so bad. However, seeing someone with three copies of the new Commissar just makes me sad.

I 100% agree. Having three identical characters because there's only one kit and it's monopose is just the absolute worst.


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 Nightlord1987 wrote:
This thread just prompted me to re-introduce my lil metal Imperial Assassins back onto the table. So cute!

I prefer those ones because they're not attached to architectural features.

 Nightlord1987 wrote:
This thread just prompted me to re-introduce my lil metal Imperial Assassins back onto the table. So cute!

Which one you have? I know that there were two generations of the temple assassins, and probably some rogue trader era "assassins". I have an Eversor, the 2nd version holding a head. Nice model, I used to use it as Marbo before I got the metal one.

 Trickstick wrote:

 jeff white wrote:
I am less impressed with the new plastics that are monopose more than even the old metals were and also require cutting for conversions.

I really hate those new plastics. Every Cadian I have looks different, other than a few metal plasma/melta. However, the pose on those is pretty generic so it isn't so bad. However, seeing someone with three copies of the new Commissar just makes me sad.

As opposed to before, when we had a multipart poseable commissar?

My metal commissar is holding a powerfist in the air while standing on a rock and reading a book. The new commissar is much more generically posed, and he's made out of plastic, so if I wanted to swap out his equipment for something else for variety I'd just have to snip his weapon off, or snip his hand off at the wrist.

the_scotsman wrote:
As opposed to before, when we had a multipart poseable commissar?

My metal commissar is holding a powerfist in the air while standing on a rock and reading a book. The new commissar is much more generically posed, and he's made out of plastic, so if I wanted to swap out his equipment for something else for variety I'd just have to snip his weapon off, or snip his hand off at the wrist.

Well you used to have like 5 different commissars you could buy in stores.

Have you not seen the Necromunds minis? I dont know about the others, but Van Saar Im pretty sure are the same height as Cadians just much more proportionate. (thinner) I have to check when Im home but even then, youre badly over-stating the effect it will have on the game.

Tanks will not be getting redone just to match the scale of the troops. If they did, Space Marine vehicles would have been updated like 20 times in the last few years. Also, vehicles always were out of scale anyways


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ccs wrote:

General Hobbs wrote:


I actually believe you on this because every.single.time. I have completed an army or done extensive conversions, GW has changed the rules or come out with new models.....and I am on the verge of finishing my IG army.

Well then for the love of God learn from the past & DON'T COMPLETE YOUR ARMY!

Then what the hell is he supposed to do? Draw models instead?

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ccs wrote:

General Hobbs wrote:


I actually believe you on this because every.single.time. I have completed an army or done extensive conversions, GW has changed the rules or come out with new models.....and I am on the verge of finishing my IG army.

Well then for the love of God learn from the past & DON'T COMPLETE YOUR ARMY!

Then what the hell is he supposed to do? Draw models instead?

Smile at the joke like you should've done.

Icegoat wrote:
When and it is only a matter of when gw release there new imperial guard troop kit its going to destroy more armies in one go than any other box ever released. The scale is definitely going to be different so all the new guardsman and woman are going to be a foot taller than their cadia brethren and it's going to require a complete re do of the entire armoury of the imperial guard army.every tank every sentinel every valkyrie is going to have to be resized for gw new super size guardsman
It will destroy more collections in one box than any single box has before.
It will be nice to have women include and a new kit but oh boy it's going to destroy twice the armies primaris ever did.
If you need proof this is going to happen go buy severina raine .she stands at least a foot above what are meant to be 6 foot tall cadian troopers.

Okay Chicken Little.

At this point, between cultists, new BSF renegades, GSC, Sisters, Necromunda, Rogue Trader etc, it's Cadians that look like wacky out of scale monster men with their huge heads and world of warcraft shoulderpads and their impossibly stubby arms, huge feet and scrumpled up potato faces.

Catachans at least lean in to the spin. You know what you're looking at when you see a catachan. They're like a poorly drawn cartoon of a muscleman. A cadian is just a monster.

the_scotsman wrote:
A cadian is just a monster.

Maybe Cadia wasn't the best place to grow up. Having the Eye of Terror in your sky could have some odd effects...

Yeah, no. Not even remotely true.

BSF traitor Guard show this to be utter nonsense.

See, they’re made from a CAD file, yeah? Which for sake of efficiency, will likely mean a single master file, which can than be digitally resculpted into different variants.

Also from a "realism" point of view (mind the ") I wouldn't bother. IG regiments hail from a million worlds and we have male median height differences between 183 cm (netherlands) and 160 (East Timor) on earth. And regarding the tanks: I don't know how this is handled elsewhere but here the average tank drivers are usually siginifantly under the median height. So I don't see why the tanks would have to be upsized just because the infantry gets a bit bigger.

Re tanks.... Peple consistently overestimate the size of a tank, and under estimate the size of an airplane. The former try to be as small as possible, many WW2 designs are tiny. Modern jets though as massive, check out the size of an F-15 for example.

 Trickstick wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:
As opposed to before, when we had a multipart poseable commissar?

My metal commissar is holding a powerfist in the air while standing on a rock and reading a book. The new commissar is much more generically posed, and he's made out of plastic, so if I wanted to swap out his equipment for something else for variety I'd just have to snip his weapon off, or snip his hand off at the wrist.

Well you used to have like 5 different commissars you could buy in stores.

Whereas now there's only 3 (finecast 'Lord Commissar', metal with Power Fist & book, and plastic 'Officio Prefectus Commissar')?


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Rogue Trader / 2nd had ten different Commissar models.

 jeff white wrote:

 BertBert wrote:
It's a reasonable expectation to buy your army again every 5-10 years. Current guard look like chubby toddlers.

No. It isn't. Plastic and metal should last 50,000years. Unless WW3 or a local Fukushima, there should be zero reason to have to rebuild armies made of plastic and metal.

It's not about the sustainability of materials but the business model. Factions get re-released, so you buy new stuff and keep their business going. Changes in scale are precisely done to facilitate this and it's something you will have to live with.

In all fairness though, guards DID escalate and tipped the balance multiple times when:

1. plastic valkyrie kit released.
2. plastic baneblade kit released.

I doubt it wouldn't not do it again.

 skchsan wrote:
In all fairness though, guards DID escalate and tipped the balance multiple times when:

1. plastic valkyrie kit released.
2. plastic baneblade kit released.

I doubt it wouldn't not do it again.

Most of the faction is relatively fine and any rerelease we'd see would be on those 3rd ed plastic kits, not the stuff that came after.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 skchsan wrote:
In all fairness though, guards DID escalate and tipped the balance multiple times when:

1. plastic valkyrie kit released.
2. plastic baneblade kit released.

I doubt it wouldn't not do it again.

Most of the faction is relatively fine and any rerelease we'd see would be on those 3rd ed plastic kits, not the stuff that came after.

I don't know. From what we can gather from past experiences, I say anything is a fair game for new IG releases.

I can totally see a 'primaris guardsmen' with statline on par with primaris marine with 1 less Sv, equipped with 'Helshot Lasgun' with RP1 S4 AP-1 D1 @ 8 pts a model. I seriously would not be surprised.

 skchsan wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 skchsan wrote:
In all fairness though, guards DID escalate and tipped the balance multiple times when:

1. plastic valkyrie kit released.
2. plastic baneblade kit released.

I doubt it wouldn't not do it again.

Most of the faction is relatively fine and any rerelease we'd see would be on those 3rd ed plastic kits, not the stuff that came after.

I don't know. From what we can gather from past experiences, I say anything is a fair game for new IG releases.

I can totally see a 'primaris guardsmen' with statline on par with primaris marine with 1 less Sv, equipped with 'Helshot Lasgun' with RP1 S4 AP-1 D1 @ 8 pts a model. I seriously would not be surprised.

I don't see it. If anything what I'd assume is the base model gets changed so they can sell upgrade sprues for other regiments so they don't have to have as many different regiment boxes, instead just having regiments upgrade packs.

Gadzilla666 wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Chaos Primaris Marines

After 20+ years in the game and 30+ of the setting, that'd be the last. Fething. Straw.

I couldn't agree more. I'm already holding on by a thread. The Primaris Marines really started a landslide of disinterest for me. Psychic Awakening pushed me even further away. GW is setting a lot of very dangerous precedents with their actions these days.

I'm seeing my local scene dry up and at an alarmingly fast rate. For example, my local GW store has gone from being regularly overcrowded to regularly completely vacant.

 oni wrote:

Gadzilla666 wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Chaos Primaris Marines

After 20+ years in the game and 30+ of the setting, that'd be the last. Fething. Straw.

I couldn't agree more. I'm already holding on by a thread. The Primaris Marines really started a landslide of disinterest for me. Psychic Awakening pushed me even further away. GW is setting a lot of very dangerous precedents with their actions these days.

I'm seeing my local scene dry up and at an alarmingly fast rate. For example, my local GW store has gone from being regularly overcrowded to regularly completely vacant.

PA is a fast and dirty update method for the codexes over just 2.0ing the books without a real model release. The release schedule with no new models was already getting GW some backlash, so I assume they're doing this to try and level the playing field with some rules updates before they go back to a slower release schedule.

And since they just updated CSM, I don't think Chaos Primaris are anywhere in the cards, and even if they are I'd bet on Renegade Primaris over upgrading the old legions.

 oni wrote:

Gadzilla666 wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Chaos Primaris Marines

After 20+ years in the game and 30+ of the setting, that'd be the last. Fething. Straw.

I couldn't agree more. I'm already holding on by a thread. The Primaris Marines really started a landslide of disinterest for me. Psychic Awakening pushed me even further away. GW is setting a lot of very dangerous precedents with their actions these days.

I'm seeing my local scene dry up and at an alarmingly fast rate. For example, my local GW store has gone from being regularly overcrowded to regularly completely vacant.

This is kind of a to each her own thing.

I had basically minimal interest is doing much with my Space Wolves until Shadowspear and Tacti-cool marines came out, and now I'm pretty excited about picking up all the other stuff for them. I've been holding off buying a executioner because it's stupid expensive for being not-as-big-as-a-baneblade, but it's really damn cool and I really want one, and I'm just also excited about SW again in general.

jeff white wrote:Adeptus Restartes are heresy. This is a given.

Not, they're not, and no, it's not a given.

Opinions aren't facts.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
I don't see it. If anything what I'd assume is the base model gets changed so they can sell upgrade sprues for other regiments so they don't have to have as many different regiment boxes, instead just having regiments upgrade packs.

But that's not what the current GW trend is. It's a completely new kit with minimal kitbashability.


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 Sgt_Smudge wrote:

jeff white wrote:Adeptus Restartes are heresy. This is a given.

Not, they're not, and no, it's not a given.

This too is an opinion. History is always written in the perspective of the winner, but that doesn't necessarily make history true. It just shows who won.

For all we know, the 'traitor' bands could've caught a whiff of what emperor and girlyman were up to and started a revolution to overthrow them.

 skchsan wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
I don't see it. If anything what I'd assume is the base model gets changed so they can sell upgrade sprues for other regiments so they don't have to have as many different regiment boxes, instead just having regiments upgrade packs.

But that's not what the current GW trend is. It's a completely new kit with minimal kitbashability.

If you search for "upgrade" on GW's site you get 29 results with most of them being after 8th edition launched, to include the Brood Brother upgrade for IG to make them fit in line with GSC. What you said it not only wrong, but it's so far off the mark it's falling off it's own little flat earth.

And that's not even getting into kit compatibility stuff like how I can slap a Sanguinary Guard Powerfist onto an Intercessor with no issue:

It would be a great Forge World sourcebook, something like a trio of chapters rejecting the tall boy upgrades and fighting a conflict with the primaris chapters subsequently sent to replace them. Last hurrah for all the mini marine forge world kits.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 skchsan wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
I don't see it. If anything what I'd assume is the base model gets changed so they can sell upgrade sprues for other regiments so they don't have to have as many different regiment boxes, instead just having regiments upgrade packs.

But that's not what the current GW trend is. It's a completely new kit with minimal kitbashability.

If you search for "upgrade" on GW's site you get 29 results with most of them being after 8th edition launched, to include the Brood Brother upgrade for IG to make them fit in line with GSC. What you said it not only wrong, but it's so far off the mark it's falling off it's own little flat earth.

And that's not even getting into kit compatibility stuff like how I can slap a Sanguinary Guard Powerfist onto an Intercessor with no issue:

Spoiler:

Not sure why you're getting all heated about this but SM upgrade lines are separate for old and nu marines. Numarine's hands are bigger, so if you're detail oriented the difference is night and day - not to mention the conversion work required to even put them on. Following, in the picture provided, you can clearly see the difference in length of arm for the powerfist arm and the gun holding arm. Specifically, the primaris line tends to focus on the division of body parts - namely, the elbows & their articulation is much more emphasized than the older lines. So again, while it is possible to glue on older kit to newer kits, it's quite orkish. See Tor Garadon & Primaris Calgar for what primaris sized powerfists look like.

When I hear new kits, I picture a full new mono-pose kits, not simple headswaps and heraldry add ons.

 skchsan wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 skchsan wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
I don't see it. If anything what I'd assume is the base model gets changed so they can sell upgrade sprues for other regiments so they don't have to have as many different regiment boxes, instead just having regiments upgrade packs.

But that's not what the current GW trend is. It's a completely new kit with minimal kitbashability.

If you search for "upgrade" on GW's site you get 29 results with most of them being after 8th edition launched, to include the Brood Brother upgrade for IG to make them fit in line with GSC. What you said it not only wrong, but it's so far off the mark it's falling off it's own little flat earth.

And that's not even getting into kit compatibility stuff like how I can slap a Sanguinary Guard Powerfist onto an Intercessor with no issue:

Spoiler:

Not sure why you're getting all heated about this but SM upgrade lines are separate for old and nu marines. Numarine's hands are bigger, so if you're detail oriented the difference is night and day - not to mention the conversion work required to even put them on. Following, in the picture provided, you can clearly see the difference in length of arm for the powerfist arm and the gun holding arm. Specifically, the primaris line tends to focus on the division of body parts - namely, the elbows & their articulation is much more emphasized than the older lines. So again, while it is possible to glue on older kit to newer kits, it's quite orkish. See Tor Garadon & Primaris Calgar for what primaris sized powerfists look like.

When I hear new kits, I picture a full new mono-pose kits, not simple headswaps and heraldry add ons.

Quit moving goal posts. Your claim was GW isn't doing the sort of upgrade kits I mentioned, which is false. I also brought up the fact that the Primaris are more customizable than people give them credit for using old Marine parts because that's a common misconception I've seen. It's not 1:1 on every bit, but there are more things you can share between old and new kits than people expect.

And Tor's Powerfist is bigger than even an Aggressor which makes it a bad comparison, while Calgar's powerfists have always been a bit on the large size due to the scale of the old models.

EDIT: Additionally, the arms of kitbash are actually roughly the same length. The powerfist arm is bent and pulled back which puts the elbow a bit higher up, but it doesn't make the arm itself significantly shorter.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Quit moving goal posts. Your claim was GW isn't doing the sort of upgrade kits I mentioned, which is false. I also brought up the fact that the Primaris are more customizable than people give them credit for using old Marine parts because that's a common misconception I've seen. It's not 1:1 on every bit, but there are more things you can share between old and new kits than people expect.

And Tor's Powerfist is bigger than even an Aggressor which makes it a bad comparison, while Calgar's powerfists have always been a bit on the large size due to the scale of the old models.

EDIT: Additionally, the arms of kitbash are actually roughly the same length. The powerfist arm is bent and pulled back which puts the elbow a bit higher up, but it doesn't make the arm itself significantly shorter.

Rather, my words were taken and twisted in a sense best served for your purposes. General GW trend since 8th ed is 'release new kits for existing lines,' much like what happened during transition from 2nd ed to 3rd ed. We see this apparent in SM, CSM & Aeldari. The upgrade sprues work ONLY for SM lines, specifically to make the generic primaris line chapter specific. The GSG kit is only example where we see faction specific 'upgrades' - but to me, simple headswap hardly counts as a new 'kit' - it's a customization 'sprue'.

As far as it concerns IG and this post, I can't imagine GW releasing base body for infantry squad. Actually, at this point, they may just make everything generic, which would undoubtedly add onto factors that would make people leave this game.

When parts are not 1:1 on every bit, then it is not interchangable. GW made it clear the only the head and shoulderpads were made compatible and this is true. My hate for primaris led me to try to fit the new boltguns on old marines to play them as count as primaris - it doesn't look good at all where the width of the hand is as wide as the wrist plate. Conversely, when you put the new boltguns on old hands, the proportions don't really work out either.

Even stermguard plastic kit arms are not FULLY compatible with old line because the arms on the tac marine likes are oddly short.

If you feel that characters' PF is a bad comparison, then compare it to the PF that comes in IF upgrade sprue.

The PF on the conversion is knuckle length shorter. Generally, PF hand comes longer than non PF hand so it should be at least knuckle length longer. If it works for you that's fine but for many, it looks and feels incompatible.

 skchsan wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Quit moving goal posts. Your claim was GW isn't doing the sort of upgrade kits I mentioned, which is false. I also brought up the fact that the Primaris are more customizable than people give them credit for using old Marine parts because that's a common misconception I've seen. It's not 1:1 on every bit, but there are more things you can share between old and new kits than people expect.

And Tor's Powerfist is bigger than even an Aggressor which makes it a bad comparison, while Calgar's powerfists have always been a bit on the large size due to the scale of the old models.

EDIT: Additionally, the arms of kitbash are actually roughly the same length. The powerfist arm is bent and pulled back which puts the elbow a bit higher up, but it doesn't make the arm itself significantly shorter.

Rather, my words were taken and twisted in a sense best served for your purposes. General GW trend since 8th ed is 'release new kits for existing lines,' much like what happened during transition from 2nd ed to 3rd ed. We see this apparent in SM, CSM & Aeldari. The upgrade sprues work ONLY for SM lines, specifically to make the generic primaris line chapter specific. The GSG kit is only example where we see faction specific 'upgrades' - but to me, simple headswap hardly counts as a new 'kit' - it's a customization 'sprue'.

When parts are not 1:1 on every bit, then it is not interchangable. GW made it clear the only the head and shoulderpads were made compatible and this is true. My hate for primaris led me to try to fit the new boltguns on old marines to play them as count as primaris - it doesn't look good at all where the width of the hand is as wide as the wrist plate. Conversely, when you put the new boltguns on old hands, the proportions don't really work out either.

Even stermguard plastic kit arms are not FULLY compatible with old line because the arms on the tac marine likes are oddly short.

If you feel that characters' PF is a bad comparison, then compare it to the PF that comes in IF upgrade sprue.

The PF on the conversion is knuckle length shorter. Generally, PF hand comes longer than non PF hand so it should be at least knuckle length longer. If it works for you that's fine but for many, it looks and feels incompatible.

The upgrade sprue idea I mentioned fits clearly in line with the Space Marine and Brood Brothers upgrade sprues. The statement I said was that the best move would standardizing all the regiments to share the same core, and then use upgrade sprues to make things different. Swap heads, give different looking melee weapons, maybe some other accessories like banners, ect. It's not out of line with what exists and yet you're trying to spin it like what I said is more in line with the old Black Templar upgrade sprue which is definitely not the same.

The issue with most of the arm swaps isn't that the old arms are too short, it's that the pose they sit in doesn't match the thicker torso the new Marines have. The arm length between Primaris and regular Marines is very slightly in terms of difference, likely due to how the heroice scale the old Marines were made with lead to less than realistic proportions.

And the PF difference is maybe 2mm difference? Still in the realm of reasonable in terms of fitting and can be handwaved as an older mark chapter relic rather than a newer Cawl Pattern model.

 Trickstick wrote:

 cuda1179 wrote:
In all honesty, I would like to see about a 5% decrease in the size of guardsmen, just to make the classic marines look better.

I don't think classic marines really factor into GW decision making anymore...

Are the DKOK are slightly smaller? It seems reasonable to make new kit in line with their FW kits.

 Mr Nobody wrote:

 Trickstick wrote:

 cuda1179 wrote:
In all honesty, I would like to see about a 5% decrease in the size of guardsmen, just to make the classic marines look better.

I don't think classic marines really factor into GW decision making anymore...

Are the DKOK are slightly smaller? It seems reasonable to make new kit in line with their FW kits.

They're in line with the Guard in terms of scale, but their proportions are far more realistic so they look smaller.