The first 3 episodes are up. Apparently the release structure is an episode per week until the finale from this point forward. I'm not a fan of that, but it worked for The Mandalorian...
They really should've only released the first two episodes though
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just so we could witness people espousing their love for Stormfront for a solid week.
Anyways, it's just good as the first season so far.
Dysartes wrote: I take it a key point of the spoilered characters back story crops up in episode 3, trexmeyer?
If you're familiar with the comics then it won't be surprising.
I am not, and when she
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zapped that first dude I was like what the F? Then she took out the kids and it sort of clicked. Is she perhaps named in reference to the Daily Stormer? That was my immediate assumption.
Dysartes wrote: I take it a key point of the spoilered characters back story crops up in episode 3, trexmeyer?
If you're familiar with the comics then it won't be surprising.
I am not, and when she
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zapped that first dude I was like what the F? Then she took out the kids and it sort of clicked. Is she perhaps named in reference to the Daily Stormer? That was my immediate assumption.
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Stormfront is a white nationalist (read KKK/Neo-Nazi types) website dating back to the early 90's. Seeing as the Boys comic debuted around 2006 IIRC, I believe that the Stormfront character was named for the site. It's too much of a coincidence. Daily Stormer wasn't created until 2013, well after both.
trexmeyer wrote: They really should've only released the first two episodes though
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just so we could witness people espousing their love for Stormfront for a solid week.
In hindsight, I kinda agree with you.
Up until that moment I was 100% onboard with Stormfront. She seemed to be making sense and saying what everyone should be thinking.
And then...
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That scene actually bothered me more than any of the gore and I'm not a fan of gore in general. They managed to make her one-up Homelander as the most evil supe in under five minutes. I fully expected her to come in and say something like a sarcastic 'Hi, guys' or 'Vought will pay for it' and then she just killed them all. Then basically 50% of each floor above.
I've not started season 2 yet but am interested in the gender-swapped Stormfront. The character as written really has to be a man, but updated to the modern era, and with the supea origin moving forward in time in the show, I see it working better as a woman.
nfe wrote: I've not started season 2 yet but am interested in the gender-swapped Stormfront. The character as written really has to be a man, but updated to the modern era, and with the supea origin moving forward in time in the show, I see it working better as a woman.
The original one was probably a bit outdated, so I don't mind ,especially since the whole show steers in a different direction anyway.
What annoys me is that they teased the new season for a few months now and only release 3 episodes.
I want to binge that stuff, who knows if the world still exists in a few weeks XD
I read through a detailed synopsis of all The Boys comics prior to the start of Season 1, back when the first trailers came out.
My comment at the time "... they better have some paramedics on hand to help after they cut themselves on all that edginess", but thankfully the show has't been the comics (even if I do like the Homelander/Black Noir twist). The show has been far better at showing restraint.
As far as Stormfront goes, I don't think they'll just do the original backstory with just a gender-swap. I think that they'll update it somewhat.
It's literally the the best improvement over source material that I know of next to Last of the Mohicans. Maybe you could count reimagined BSG as well if you consider the OG series to be the source material.
I wonder how the creator feels about it. He's probably making a pretty penny, but reading online about how much people prefer the show to your comic has to smart.
nfe wrote: I've not started season 2 yet but am interested in the gender-swapped Stormfront. The character as written really has to be a man, but updated to the modern era, and with the supea origin moving forward in time in the show, I see it working better as a woman.
The original one was probably a bit outdated, so I don't mind ,especially since the whole show steers in a different direction anyway. What annoys me is that they teased the new season for a few months now and only release 3 episodes. I want to binge that stuff, who knows if the world still exists in a few weeks XD
I've watched the first two, I really like how they've done Stormfront so far, though I'm watching it assuming what the twist is
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That she'll be a modern, extremely-online and hiding in faux-sarcasm fascist of the era of frog memes and shitposting rather than colours-on-your-sleeve fascists with jackboots and Combat 18 tattoos.
I guess they might take an even bigger diversion from the comics, though.
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trexmeyer wrote: It's literally the the best improvement over source material that I know of next to Last of the Mohicans. Maybe you could count reimagined BSG as well if you consider the OG series to be the source material. I wonder how the creator feels about it. He's probably making a pretty penny, but reading online about how much people prefer the show to your comic has to smart.
He says he likes it - as he does Preacher - and while he's not Alan Moore, he doesn't seem like someone who'd hide his true feelings on it, but I think there are plenty people who far prefer the comics.
I like both, comic and show, as two different entities, which is possible since they divert a lot. I accept that the comic is very edgy, but I also would have loved to see the internet shitstorm to some of the original ideas, if they had brought them to the mainstream TV.
I watched the show before I read the comic too.
Statistx wrote: I like both, comic and show, as two different entities, which is possible since they divert a lot. I accept that the comic is very edgy, but I also would have loved to see the internet shitstorm to some of the original ideas, if they had brought them to the mainstream TV.
I watched the show before I read the comic too.
Same here. Comic is probably one of my favourite series. I don't care how edgy it is.
The Amazon show does a good job, but it really only takes core concepts from the comic.
Statistx wrote: I like both, comic and show, as two different entities, which is possible since they divert a lot. I accept that the comic is very edgy, but I also would have loved to see the internet shitstorm to some of the original ideas, if they had brought them to the mainstream TV.
I watched the show before I read the comic too.
Same here. Comic is probably one of my favourite series. I don't care how edgy it is.
The Amazon show does a good job, but it really only takes core concepts from the comic.
Did you see that a current running sequel-ish series came out?
It's called "Dear Becky", not sure what to think of it so far
nfe wrote: I read Dear Becky #1. Butcher's writing is interesting, but Hughie in the pub is a car crash.
His stuff has no real substance I feel, but the Butcher parts evolve to similar stuff like in the older ones, going after groups and such, just without Hughie.
Some gory fun ensues with "Stormfronts children"
I think it suggests Butcher started off not unlike Hughie, and the pub scene is obviously meant to suggest Hughie ends up as cynical as Butcher. It's just that the pub scene is horribly delivered. I can't decide whether Hughie is meant to come over as a grumpy boomer or whether that's accidental.
Statistx wrote: I like both, comic and show, as two different entities, which is possible since they divert a lot. I accept that the comic is very edgy, but I also would have loved to see the internet shitstorm to some of the original ideas, if they had brought them to the mainstream TV.
I watched the show before I read the comic too.
Same here. Comic is probably one of my favourite series. I don't care how edgy it is.
The Amazon show does a good job, but it really only takes core concepts from the comic.
I liked the book as a slap down to the fup awful 90s grimderp period in comics, it mis-stepped from time to time but was quite the ride
The show feels more of a poke at the MCU, WB et al which to the Big Bang generation are the defacto version of capes, and getting a lady Thor before the official version was cheeky clever
Just watching the first few episodes and I have read all the comic. I don’t get the people saying it’s this deep and realistic take on superheroes. Even as a satire and parody it’s incredibly hypocritical. I can understand that it’s very saturated and there’s a desire to see it taken down a peg; but this just isn’t it.
The Boys are a superhero team. You have a group of vigilantes who take it upon themselves to use violence to solve their problems. Just because they wear normal clothes and don’t live in a tower doesn’t change that. Even more absurd when some of them actually have superpowers. So it’s extremely convenient that they are not themselves a danger that could cause collateral damage and a menace to society. If the show isn’t going to aim at criticising this element of superhero stories then it’s only a superficial and two faced one.
The 7 are super villains, not heroes. Given the amount of elseworld stories and even just super villains I can’t get how people think it’s prophetic or insightful. Every comic is replete with power mad and corrupt individuals. Comics certainly have considered and taken this into account. Our Heroes are exceptional because they’re held against that standard. So it’s not a criticism of superheroes because they aren’t superheroes. The whole Heroes Journey, reluctant hero and all that isn’t just window dressing that you can strip away and then claim you’re satirising Superheroes. It’s gutting the genre and not taking it on its own terms.
The whole premise is absurd. Sure, a pharmaceutical company creates superheroes as a publicity stunt. These are pampered celebrities. Fine. How would this result in them being anywhere near as violent and sociopathic? Why would they want the responsibility and danger when they could just be pampered WWE and film stars? With no external threat and the government for some reason not interested in weaponising this; that is the realistic outcome. This is why Hancock and One Punch Man do a much better job of parodying the genre and are far more believable.
They have to resort to making the characters insane. Considering the acceptance of the hand wave explanation that power corrupts it sure is bizarre how these stories require their characters to be insane to work. This is because the writers are fully aware that the main check on people cutting loose is because the bonds of society and people’s need to be loved and respected by people would act against such impulses. It is improbable that such a collection of psychopaths would hold a monopoly on superpowers. Plus, by changing Superman’s origin entirely he is no longer Superman at that point and so it’s not making a relevant critique.
Making the powers not work at the convenience of the plot. Superman can lift a plane. Homelander cannot because reasons. He can have eye lasers to casually murder people but he can’t have powers when he would be inclined to save people. That is a contrived situation and isn’t a valid or meaningful criticism.
There is this obsession that heroes cause collateral damage. Again, why Vought would make its WWE stars get involved in violent confrontations is beyond me. But again, this is absurd. Conventional armies cause far more collateral damage. If they had to roll out the ordinance to meet the threats superheroes do; they would kill vastly more people. Will superman kill more people punching Doomsday into space or the Government bombing metropolis or sending Raptor jets/Apache gunships into a city. Plus, the level of threat that would require Superman to use his powers is almost always so extreme that there is no choice and he isn’t the cause of the conflict. Without that threat, of course it’s absurd that a bystander might die from a bank robbery. Not so absurd if all of humanity is about to be consumed by Brainiac and it’s either fight him or let him do it. Characters that actually fight crime like Batman make a great show out of not killing. Superman and Wonder Woman don’t really fight crime like this and what they’re killing is monsters. So it’s a huge leap to cast them as jack booted thugs.
I think it’s well done and works fine as yet another multiverse tale where the Justice League are villains. But it’s no where near as transcendent and pulling the veil from our eyes as people are making it out to be.
I feel like you missed the point or at least one of the more serious ones.....
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Nazi scientist makes super serum. Runs for hills with super serum to escape the impending german loss. Founds company that secretly experiments on people creating super beings. Most/all of those beings are still being raised in a fairly normal home and are people that have people issues.
Enter Homelander. They were still experimenting. Created a super super. Said super super is experimented on and raised by a scientist as a lab animal constantly being poked and prodded. As such he has RAD (Reactive Attachment Disorder) and hardcore sociopathic tendencies. Once he's out there is zero controlling him outside of mind games. He starts to twist the 7 (remember he picks the original 7) to be more like him.
These guys are almost never out there doing tons of saving/stopping crime. The 7 basically show up for photo op crime events and use them to promote films and themselves. They literally get prepped for crime fighting by legal and PR.
These aren't direct ports of superman/wonderwoman/batmat etc. They're not even "dark verse" versions. They are literally normal humans with powers that the original author clothed in the most well known super hero tropes to help tell the story.
Hulksmash wrote: I feel like you missed the point or at least one of the more serious ones.....
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Nazi scientist makes super serum. Runs for hills with super serum to escape the impending german loss. Founds company that secretly experiments on people creating super beings. Most/all of those beings are still being raised in a fairly normal home and are people that have people issues.
Enter Homelander. They were still experimenting. Created a super super. Said super super is experimented on and raised by a scientist as a lab animal constantly being poked and prodded. As such he has RAD (Reactive Attachment Disorder) and hardcore sociopathic tendencies. Once he's out there is zero controlling him outside of mind games. He starts to twist the 7 (remember he picks the original 7) to be more like him.
These guys are almost never out there doing tons of saving/stopping crime. The 7 basically show up for photo op crime events and use them to promote films and themselves. They literally get prepped for crime fighting by legal and PR.
These aren't direct ports of superman/wonderwoman/batmat etc. They're not even "dark verse" versions. They are literally normal humans with powers that the original author clothed in the most well known super hero tropes to help tell the story.
I get that the focus is a critique on the corruption of big business, abuse and celebrity culture. However that’s very far from how the show is being discussed and the comic was far more critical of the genre generally. If so many Youtubers and commentators take the story to be premised on “saving us from superhero stories”; then I am left scratching my head. There’s an insinuation that it’s the superpowers that are the problem. Butchers solution is to murder all the superheroes (the same motivation as Modok in the Avengers game funnily enough). There’s very little discussion on destroying Vought or attacking the company and it’s employees. I get that impression that if Butcher and the Boys could kill the Superheroes and keep Vought they would be happy with that. So I think there is an anti-superhero agenda and the anti corporate stuff might just be window dressing.
For example when Butcher tells Hughie that superheroes get away with it because people like the idea of somebody saving them rather than helping themselves. That is a spectacular distortion of the moral behind every superhero story. The whole purpose is that they are coming of age tales designed to instil a sense of personal responsibility and obligation to other people. It is not there to teach you that the state and big business will handle everything for you. It would be pretty bad WW2 propaganda if it had that message. In fact, the Boys comics pro military stance and endless droning on about how everything should left to the experts and top men. I mean that’s actually the Hobbesian ideal; not as Butcher frames it here. Plus, again there’s the hypocrisy of the Boys being a superhero team who want to kill all superheroes. If you’re okay with the idea of a vigilante group going out to get revenge and using super powered violence; then that’s a very shaky criticism of superheroes.
Are you saying they aren’t trying to make a satire of the Justice League? Surely that has to be the goal here?
Hulksmash wrote: I feel like you missed the point or at least one of the more serious ones.....
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Nazi scientist makes super serum. Runs for hills with super serum to escape the impending german loss. Founds company that secretly experiments on people creating super beings. Most/all of those beings are still being raised in a fairly normal home and are people that have people issues.
Enter Homelander. They were still experimenting. Created a super super. Said super super is experimented on and raised by a scientist as a lab animal constantly being poked and prodded. As such he has RAD (Reactive Attachment Disorder) and hardcore sociopathic tendencies. Once he's out there is zero controlling him outside of mind games. He starts to twist the 7 (remember he picks the original 7) to be more like him.
These guys are almost never out there doing tons of saving/stopping crime. The 7 basically show up for photo op crime events and use them to promote films and themselves. They literally get prepped for crime fighting by legal and PR.
These aren't direct ports of superman/wonderwoman/batmat etc. They're not even "dark verse" versions. They are literally normal humans with powers that the original author clothed in the most well known super hero tropes to help tell the story.
I get that the focus is a critique on the corruption of big business, abuse and celebrity culture. However that’s very far from how the show is being discussed and the comic was far more critical of the genre generally. If so many Youtubers and commentators take the story to be premised on “saving us from superhero stories”; then I am left scratching my head. There’s an insinuation that it’s the superpowers that are the problem. Butchers solution is to murder all the superheroes (the same motivation as Modok in the Avengers game funnily enough). There’s very little discussion on destroying Vought or attacking the company and it’s employees. I get that impression that if Butcher and the Boys could kill the Superheroes and keep Vought they would be happy with that. So I think there is an anti-superhero agenda and the anti corporate stuff might just be window dressing.
For example when Butcher tells Hughie that superheroes get away with it because people like the idea of somebody saving them rather than helping themselves. That is a spectacular distortion of the moral behind every superhero story. The whole purpose is that they are coming of age tales designed to instil a sense of personal responsibility and obligation to other people. It is not there to teach you that the state and big business will handle everything for you. It would be pretty bad WW2 propaganda if it had that message. In fact, the Boys comics pro military stance and endless droning on about how everything should left to the experts and top men. I mean that’s actually the Hobbesian ideal; not as Butcher frames it here. Plus, again there’s the hypocrisy of the Boys being a superhero team who want to kill all superheroes. If you’re okay with the idea of a vigilante group going out to get revenge and using super powered violence; then that’s a very shaky criticism of superheroes.
Are you saying they aren’t trying to make a satire of the Justice League? Surely that has to be the goal here?
That isn't the goal at all. Also, most of the points you are trying to make don't make a whole lot of sense as far as the show is concerned. Take the issue you have with Homelander somehow not being able to pick up a plane. He could have. He knows he could have and so does Queen Maive. That is the whole point of her being upset. But he didn't, because he needed them to die so he could push his own agenda of superheroes in the military. I am not entirely sure where your take is coming from.
I think maybe you should watch a few more episodes.
Yeah, i feel like Totalwar1402 hasnt actually watched the show. They talk about taking down Vought constantly. Especially once they discover what they are doing. Also Butcher doesnt want to kill all supes though he wouldnt care if most of them died. He just wants homelander dead for for various reasons regarding his wife.
I have zero idea of where your view of the show is coming from butnif youre getting it from youtube or podcasts i suggest dropping those as they are obviously idiots and actually watching the show.
Homelander couldn't not have saved the plane based on real world physics. He would have torn through any part other than maybe the landing gear and even then how is he going to get it to land safely? Worst case scenario is that he fails to do so and is seen by multiple people in the act of failing. Homelander absolutely refuses to be perceived as fallible.
Given what we know about celebrity culture and how power corrupts I seriously doubt that super-powered individuals would be saints. Look at how many celebrities behave 'badly' behind closed doors or outright commit crimes...and these are individuals with the same physical frailness as everyone else. Translucent for example was literally just a modernized Invisible Man. Creepy Pastor Stretch behaved in the same manner as many of real world television preachers, he just had superpowers as well. A-Train seems to behave much like a real world athlete, he just has superpowers.
You have good, neutral, and forced to play the game examples as well. It's not as if literally every single one of them is evil.
Isn't the comic book version of the plane crash mostly what Trex says as for all their v-spawned powers they can't beat physics and it even costs them one of the team, I'd imagine would have been quite expensive to shoot even with cgi and fx of late, hence the paired down telly version
Also have a weird think bounce round my head that we only see Annie and Maeve (and very minor supes) in civilian get up as meaning something
trexmeyer wrote: Homelander couldn't not have saved the plane based on real world physics. He would have torn through any part other than maybe the landing gear and even then how is he going to get it to land safely?
Land with it on top of him. He isn't going to get hurt and it will just damage the plane, not the passengers.
He could have pretty easily saved that plane. It would have taken a lot of finesse, but it could have been done. The thing was, he didn't want to because that plane needed to be destroyed for his agenda.
trexmeyer wrote: Homelander couldn't not have saved the plane based on real world physics. He would have torn through any part other than maybe the landing gear and even then how is he going to get it to land safely?
Land with it on top of him. He isn't going to get hurt and it will just damage the plane, not the passengers.
He could have pretty easily saved that plane. It would have taken a lot of finesse, but it could have been done. The thing was, he didn't want to because that plane needed to be destroyed for his agenda.
Do you not understand that exerting force equal to the required amount to keep a plane aloft an area the size of human hands (or even the upper back/out stretched arms) would tear right through a plane?
Superman's stunts don't work here and wouldn't in the real world. That tone was set in the opening scene when A-Train ran through Hughie's girlfriend. They are at least paying lip service to real world physics.
As I recall the scene, he didn’t Mean to down the plane, it was a screw up. He had a Well poop kind of reaction to it, and spinning the crash to suit his agenda was a reaction, not the goal.
One has to remember that Homelander is deeply insane, and on top of celebrity status corrupting people, he has slowly twisted the 7 over the years. Half of them do whatever he says because they know he can/will kill them. Most of them do not even do anything "bad" with their powers, just their personality, sometimes helped along by their powers.
For instance The Deep. He is supernaturally resistant and strong, but is hugely ashamed of his body, so he dominates/humiliates women to make himself feel better.
Translucent is a twisted pervert, following the usual storyline of an Invisible Man.
Maeve is pretty much a "good guy", but she does whatever Homelander says because she is worried that he will kill people that she loves out of jealousy. He's basically the boss that's she's had sex with, and is now abusive.
Even Black Noir for all his Snake Eyes coolness, has scenes start showing up where he is majorly off-kilter, the viewers just don't know WHY yet....
There are other 'minor" supers in this series that are not bad guys at all, at least in the normal sense of the word.
The show is basically about how if Homelander gets taken out of the picture, everything would change for the better. And with season 2, it's suddenly more than just him (for those who aren't on Season 2).
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And speaking of brutal, to no ones shock Homelanders rampage at the rally was all in his head. Was crazy seeing how it just tore through the crowd though.
The Deeps scenes were getting a bit played out for me, but it looks like that particular story is coming to a new chapter after his convo with Maeve.
Almost had a moment of sympathy for A-train, until I remembered he killed Hughies girl and laughed about it, and killed his own girlfriend to cover up the fact that he was a V junkie.
The scene with Black Noir’s footsteps was pretty fun, but it has me wondering if he will turn out to be who he is from what I wikipedia’d him in the comics. Doesn’t seem as formiddable as his primary target, unless he is sandbagging. Also, was totally worried Black Noir was going to kill the dog
And speaking of brutal, to no ones shock Homelanders rampage at the rally was all in his head. Was crazy seeing how it just tore through the crowd though.
The Deeps scenes were getting a bit played out for me, but it looks like that particular story is coming to a new chapter after his convo with Maeve.
Almost had a moment of sympathy for A-train, until I remembered he killed Hughies girl and laughed about it, and killed his own girlfriend to cover up the fact that he was a V junkie.
The scene with Black Noir’s footsteps was pretty fun, but it has me wondering if he will turn out to be who he is from what I wikipedia’d him in the comics. Doesn’t seem as formiddable as his primary target, unless he is sandbagging. Also, was totally worried Black Noir was going to kill the dog
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I'm was surprised that the dog made an appearance.
All in all a crazy episode that ended with hate?fething between two of the most dangerous beings on the planet. Not good.
trexmeyer wrote: Do you not understand that exerting force equal to the required amount to keep a plane aloft an area the size of human hands (or even the upper back/out stretched arms) would tear right through a plane?
Superman's stunts don't work here and wouldn't in the real world. That tone was set in the opening scene when A-Train ran through Hughie's girlfriend. They are at least paying lip service to real world physics.
Are they, though? One of his arguments was he couldn't lift the plane because "there was nothing to push off of" (I don't remember the exact verbiage, and I can't check now).
What is he "pushing off of" when he is flying normally? He lifted Maeve and flew with her, so now he is lifting, presumably, around 300 pounds between the two of them with nothing to push off of. So that is a weird argument since he is super strong, and can lift weight when flying.
The plane wasn't dead weight. The plane was gliding. Homelander has been shown to have super speed; there was nothing preventing him from doing gentle, high speed corrections on the wings - which obviously can support the weight of the plane in flight - and gliding it in. He could have kept the nose up from the nose landing gear - which obviously supports the weight of half a plane - and so on.
And, putting that aside, there sure as gak nothing stopping him from carrying people 2 at a time and placing them in the water, right? He had a long, long time to do so, and and super speed on his side.
Finally, he blasted the pilot's controls, but man, they didn't even try the copilots.
No - he didn't bother to try to save anyone because it was useful for him to leverage their deaths for his supers-in-the-military agenda. There isn't any other reason.
Thought the same thing, actually. I knew a deus ex machina save was coming up, and the series is pretty bonkers enough to pull that kind of card.
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Or the old lady was going to do something. All the Supes have parental issues it seems and her maybe yelling at him could've triggered something in his fethed up head.
I have to say, introducing a supe who can blow people's heads apart instantly has made me nervous.
In any scene between two people, whenever there's a long pause, or the director has placed the camera a bit further back than normal, I'm expecting someone to explode.
So i didnt read the comics so i only have a vauge idea of whats happening later on, but who actually expected homelander to have a fetish for rough sex?
Eihnlazer wrote: So i didnt read the comics so i only have a vauge idea of whats happening later on, but who actually expected homelander to have a fetish for rough sex?
I suspect it more being able to bump belly button without killing the other party, heck Popclaw was only slightly super and still accidentally squished someone
But the whole angry super squelching and plans within plans were just a side show to the adorably fugly beast and bane of soft toys Terror, such a good dawg
And speaking of brutal, to no ones shock Homelanders rampage at the rally was all in his head. Was crazy seeing how it just tore through the crowd though.
The Deeps scenes were getting a bit played out for me, but it looks like that particular story is coming to a new chapter after his convo with Maeve.
Almost had a moment of sympathy for A-train, until I remembered he killed Hughies girl and laughed about it, and killed his own girlfriend to cover up the fact that he was a V junkie.
The scene with Black Noir’s footsteps was pretty fun, but it has me wondering if he will turn out to be who he is from what I wikipedia’d him in the comics. Doesn’t seem as formiddable as his primary target, unless he is sandbagging. Also, was totally worried Black Noir was going to kill the dog
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I'm really curious how and if they do something similar with Black Noir as in the comics.
I mean in the Comic it was a huge plotpoint, basically making homelander a lot less dangerous or important.
It seems like Stormfront is being setup as Homelander's foil/control. Sure, she had sex... but was it to prove she was capable of taking everything he could dish out? And if she is... well she never unloaded her full power on him. I suspect that's a threat she'll use when Homelander tries to regain some independence. Outstanding episode, I'm also surprised and glad that Terror survived!
It seems like Stormfront is being setup as Homelander's foil/control. Sure, she had sex... but was it to prove she was capable of taking everything he could dish out? And if she is... well she never unloaded her full power on him. I suspect that's a threat she'll use when Homelander tries to regain some independence. Outstanding episode, I'm also surprised and glad that Terror survived!
Speaking of Terror...
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...has it been hinted at (or confirmed) in the show that Butcher has treated the dog with Compound V?
there is a throw away line about Terror not having aged which may tie into Stormfronts apparent longevity being v induced so maybe, and of course the command is in place and Terror is a good boy and obeys, this time was only a cuddly toy..
Finally, he blasted the pilot's controls, but man, they didn't even try the copilots.
No - he didn't bother to try to save anyone because it was useful for him to leverage their deaths for his supers-in-the-military agenda. There isn't any other reason.
Thanks, yep that's what I was about to write. The point was in that scene that he obviously had no intention/desire to save the plane or the people.
Yep, definitely looking to know BN's backstory now. Having not read the comic he seems fairly indestructible along with being a master assassin - what are his other specific powers?
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And T being treated with Compound V? He's such a good boy!!
Definitely the big match up this season will be between Homelander and Stormfront and my guess is they will position Homelander as the least insane of the two and we expect to root for him in the upcoming face-off; however, seeing Stormfront take Homelander's deadly lasers and get off on it, what else could he possibly do to her to even think about defeating her? Does he have another significant power we don't know yet?
I think they are doing an awesome job fleshing out Homelander! His reactions of being terrified by his own actions during the scene where he was daydreaming (avoiding spoilers) made him much more than a one-dimensional bad guy. Stormfront is a monster, Homelander is just a messed-up in the head guy who's lying to himself to justify his actions.
Mmmm, Homelander is a monster as well. He's done many horrific things purely out of spite, and has never felt sympathy for any of his actions as far as we can tell, such as on the plane.
He is a victim of abuse and certainly has a tragic past, but most of the monsters in human history do.
MDSW wrote: Yep, definitely looking to know BN's backstory now. Having not read the comic he seems fairly indestructible along with being a master assassin - what are his other specific powers?
Going by the comics, BN is...
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...a back-up clone of Highlander, positioned to eliminate him if Voight couldn't maintain control. Because he's positioned next to his target for so long, but without getting approval to execute, he eventually goes insane. This leads him to carry out many of the acts that get blamed on Homelander, leading the latter to think he's losing the plot. In the comic continuity, for example, he's the one that causes the death of Becky, not HL.
In terms of powers, he should have roughly the same ones as Homelander, even if he doesn't always use them (to maintain his cover). He is noted for being physically stronger than HL, so presumably their powers aren't all on the same levels.
Well, season two is certainly introducing supes that will overshadow HL and his power monopoly. I am guessing HL will have an epiphany - either send him waaaay over the edge or straighten him right up to clean house properly - we will see!
MDSW wrote: Well, season two is certainly introducing supes that will overshadow HL and his power monopoly. I am guessing HL will have an epiphany - either send him waaaay over the edge or straighten him right up to clean house properly - we will see!
Still suspect the season finale will involve him engineering Stormfront having a run in with Kimoko which won't end well for either lady
I straight up expected Stormfront to have a dick. Cover up by gender change and instead of what they did in the show, she would have been the comic style Stormfront in the past.
Was splendidly ikky, still not sure if Stormfront acted alone or is still in cahoots with the Church despite her earlier dismissal of them, as the unpersoning of the Archer showed they don't take kindly to defection, then again given her powers she's not someone to upset
Also interesting to see where the Noir story goes after the minor reveal
nels1031 wrote: I was talking with a co-worker about the same. I like it, but I think it will work best as a finite product. 1 more season is all it needs.
The good part is Kripke is known for having timelines and wanting them stuck to. He bailed on supernatural when they didnt end it season 5. And they have indicated they have a set story to tell.
Also its totes the church thats responsible. Note the fella in orange who was affected.
The source material was a 72 issue run, plus 3 6-issue miniseries (I'm ignoring the new "Hello Becky" stuff for now, given the big time jump).
Given that amount of source material, and the fact it looks like certain characters/plotlines are being skipped entirely, 3 (or maybe 4) seasons of eight episodes a time is probably about right.
If anything, I'd be more concerned about the spin-off series that's been fast-tracked into development...
That scene genuinely made me laugh.. I remarked as I was watching it "wonder what is going to be the other side of that door?" when it was knocking, I did not expect that
I kinda thought of the headpopping as more like the corporation did some sneaky stuff implanting teeny bombs in people's heads to stop them from doing something against company policy, like testifying in court against them
Especially since we do know that Starlight's implant chip was near her neck- what if it's also an explosive? Vought totally seems like the type of corporation to preemptively implant as many people as possible. Probably through some free medical care venture.
How the flying feth did Becca escape? She had like a million Vought security guys with dogs after her trapped in an area with like a 30 ft concrete wall around the perimeter. What on earth was the point of Lamplighter sneaking Huey into the building just to kill himself? The way they got Starlight out was also unbearably dumb. Even if Black Noir had an allergy, it wouldn't have hit him that hard that fast. The dude hit the floor like he got shot by a tranquilizer.
The noise in the cabin with Homelander and his son... am I seriously supposed to accept that a bunch of tiny little blue tooth speakers in the middle of nowhere created a sound so unbearable in the cabin that Homelander had to leave? That was so patently ridiculous. A few scenes later and he can't even hear Maeve walking behind him through a carpet of leaves to blackmail him with the plane video. And Stormfront... Omg. We saw her get lasered in the tits for fun a couple episodes ago, but one blast from the kid completely dismembers her? Like really? Really?
Huge letdown after season 1. Hopefully season 3 gets back on track.
Well that was a great finale, thought the series built from quite a slow start and the last few episodes were excellent.
Stormfront was a great 'baddie' (I assume she's not out of it as she wasn't killed conclusively?) Homelander looked like he might have had a shot and some normality but ended up looking as psychotic as ever!
And a nice story arc for Billy at the end there - loved the line "and what did I tell you son?" Really looking forward to the next series.
trexmeyer wrote:The Expanse trailer was released the day after The Boys ended. They are rolling.
Excellent!
Eihnlazer wrote:which means hopefully we get it in spring release.
Apparently they are due to start filming at the start of 2021, potentially an end of 2021 release.
MDSW wrote: The end seen for Homey was definitely to still display he is not quite right...and never will be.
I think the finale was great, even left a number of kernels for season 3.
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So, what is the deal that the boy's eye lasers cooked Stormfront, but Homelander's did not - did he dial it down when he did it for his foreplay?
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Possible he's more powerful, being natural born and such. Doesn't seem like the kid can fly, so maybe his powers are overcompensating. Or Homelander was holding back. Most likely just poor writing and they needed some way to kill Becca, who is immune to crazy car accidents apparently.
Also, the "Girls get it done" line from Frenchie was funny, but I'd have liked A-Train to have gotten a piece of Stormfront.
Also Homelander is a lazy get, I think across both season's his only physical effort was chucking someone a bit I, rest of the time he just half ass' the eyebeams against non-powered or crap knockoff V "baddies"
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also it's possible they've consistently been dosing the lad with V in the controlled environment
I really hope the kid gets about as much air time in S3 as he got in S2, unless he really blooms as an actor, 'cuz his scenes were a bit painful for me to watch...
Turnip Jedi wrote: Also Homelander is a lazy get, I think across both season's his only physical effort was chucking someone a bit I, rest of the time he just half ass' the eyebeams against non-powered or crap knockoff V "baddies"
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also it's possible they've consistently been dosing the lad with V in the controlled environment
Isn't the implication that he is so much more powerful that he doesn't need to use more of his abilities than that? That is the impression I get by how much the other Supes are afraid of him.
I did love the bit with the video of the super villain (in the middle east somewhere?) were Homelander turns up and does a 'scary hands' "ooooooh" impression before just lasering him in half..
For the spoilered comment I assumed it's not straightforward to just make Supes of that power - hence why Vought were so keen to get hold of the boy as a foil to use against Homelander. And potentially risk Homelander's wrath in doing so (but basically they have got no other way of stopping him)
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Remember Stormfront (who seemed to be the only one who seemed comparable) was a product of the earlier experimentation too)
Oh aye, and I kind of like that element to him (applies to Stormfront and Annie a bit too) always baffled me t hat Superman et al ever engage in fistcuffs
Remember Stormfront (who seemed to be the only one who seemed comparable) was a product of the earlier experimentation too)
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So, was Stormfront's daughter before or after she was part of the Compound V experiment and did her daughter have powers?
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I’m assuming before as I get the impression supes having kids is a non-thing outside of the special case of Homelander’s. Also explains why she’s never had another since.
Remember Stormfront (who seemed to be the only one who seemed comparable) was a product of the earlier experimentation too)
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So, was Stormfront's daughter before or after she was part of the Compound V experiment and did her daughter have powers?
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I’m assuming before as I get the impression supes having kids is a non-thing outside of the special case of Homelander’s. Also explains why she’s never had another since.
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Wasn't Homelander's just a case of simple rape and not something that was engineered by Voight? I do not recall the episode really clear, but maybe the comic might explain more - in any case, I think you could go back and re-watch the episodes with Stormfront's timeline about meeting and marrying Voight and when she got pregnant, but I am too lazy to do so.
I think we may have set a consecutive 'spoiler' record here...
Haha... well hopefully people shouldn't be reading at this point, after the last episode has been out for a week, without expecting to read a spoiler.
I have only finished the first omnibus of the comic, but so far it does vary quite wildly from the TV series in terms of the plot and even some use of characters. So I'm not sure how closely it can be used for a guide (things like the explanation for the exploding heads are different for example) - certainly when compared to something like the Expanse, which is very close to the plot of the books. (I have only read the first batch of comics though so it may change!)
@MDSW
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Yes I believe that Homelander's kid was unintended. I didn't know though if that whole dolls-house village that they are living in was just for him or for other kids that were the result of Homelander or some of the other supes
Pacific wrote: I have only finished the first omnibus of the comic, but so far it does vary quite wildly from the TV series in terms of the plot and even some use of characters. So I'm not sure how closely it can be used for a guide (things like the explanation for the exploding heads are different for example) - certainly when compared to something like the Expanse, which is very close to the plot of the books. (I have only read the first batch of comics though so it may change!)
Given the release timeline, Pacific, any chance we can be accurate as to which media is varying wildly from which?
Hint: the comic isn't varying wildly from the TV show...
Yes I believe that Homelander's kid was unintended. I didn't know though if that whole dolls-house village that they are living in was just for him or for other kids that were the result of Homelander or some of the other supes
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Given revelations in the comic... why is everyone so sure the kid is Homelander's?
I think the change to Noir, which really was needed as it's comic book version is too big to hide for long in the intertubes age, more or less ties the lad to being Homelanders
Also does Maeve have an invisible plane ? Still not clear how she got to the showdown
Neither Starlight nor the Boys have any special mobility. We can assume since they took their sweet time setting up very specific weaponry that it wasn't hard for Maeve to figure out where they were going. And she would know where The white folks were because she was pretty committed to finding dirt and secrets on Vought, and especially Homelander.
