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New Codexes teased @ 2020/10/15 16:46:36


Post by: Horla


Two codexes have been teased for January 2020 release, you can just see some of the cover art (or at least some placeholder art) in one of the images on Warhammer Community - the top one looks like it could be Sisters of Battle (looks Ecclesiastical anyway) and not sure what the other one is. Genestealer Cult? They seem to be releasing them at a decent rate anyway.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/10/15/warhammer-40000-the-codex-roadmap/


New Codexes teased @ 2020/10/15 17:00:26


Post by: PenitentJake


Yeah, that Warcom piece was a waste of time- the dexes that were actually identified had already been announced. What we needed from them today was to be told exactly what the two dexes in January are- that would have been actual news.


New Codexes teased @ 2020/10/15 17:08:24


Post by: beast_gts


PenitentJake wrote:
What we needed from them today was to be told exactly what the two dexes in January are- that would have been actual news.

The previous article said Dark Angels and "the first xenos codex" - looks like it might be 'Nids?


New Codexes teased @ 2020/10/15 17:10:00


Post by: Sterling191


Two per month is nowhere near fast enough, especially in the context of marine wound updates and weapon profile adjustments.


New Codexes teased @ 2020/10/15 17:10:59


Post by: the_scotsman


Looks like GSC to me, though it could be wishful thinking on my part.

Specifically I'm looking on the left hand side that looks like a cultist wearing goggles to me.


New Codexes teased @ 2020/10/15 17:11:04


Post by: VladimirHerzog


im pretty sure even the cover arts are placeholder so its not worth trying to figure out which armies they are


New Codexes teased @ 2020/10/15 17:13:06


Post by: Kharne the Befriender


Both of those pieces of artwork are from the BRB so I wouldn't read into it


New Codexes teased @ 2020/10/15 17:27:44


Post by: tneva82


Sterling191 wrote:
Two per month is nowhere near fast enough, especially in the context of marine wound updates and weapon profile adjustments.


Unlikely it even holds 2 per month. It took like 2 years for 8e to get most of codexes and that was with more urgency than 9e


New Codexes teased @ 2020/10/15 17:32:00


Post by: Azuza001


My money is on dark angels and gene stealer cults.


New Codexes teased @ 2020/10/15 17:37:22


Post by: Dysartes


Confirmation of which books are out in each month is useful, at least, even if not the most exciting - and given their divergencies, SW and DW make sense as coming out sooner.

No mention of anything accompanying the books, but that kinda makes sense on a roadmap piece.

I guess the unanswered question is whether each pair will drop on the same weekend or different onces.


New Codexes teased @ 2020/10/15 17:43:24


Post by: Ordana


tneva82 wrote:
Sterling191 wrote:
Two per month is nowhere near fast enough, especially in the context of marine wound updates and weapon profile adjustments.


Unlikely it even holds 2 per month. It took like 2 years for 8e to get most of codexes and that was with more urgency than 9e
August 2017
September 2017
October 2017
October 2017
November 2017
January 2018
January 2018
February 2018
March 2018
April 2018
May 2018
June 2018
September 2018
September 2018
November 2018
February 2019
March 2019
July 2019
November 2019

8th wasn't actually that fast, most of the time it was 1 codex per month. So 2 per month is faster.


New Codexes teased @ 2020/10/15 18:12:02


Post by: tneva82


Yep. Which is why i don't expect 2 per month to hold for 9e either. They didn't rush like that in 8e and that was edition that Needed codexes out faster than 9e. 8e all didn't have codex to start with. 9e does


New Codexes teased @ 2020/10/15 18:25:30


Post by: Voss


Azuza001 wrote:
My money is on dark angels and gene stealer cults.


Dark angels is already confirmed here: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/09/12/the-codex-show/

The other is Xenos, so GSC could be possible. Given that 'Lieutenant' style models have been teased for Orks and Dark Eldar, I'd give them extra weight for the January Xenos book (and yes, that is also confirmed in the september article and the new one)


New Codexes teased @ 2020/10/15 18:31:32


Post by: Oaka


I want to be wrong (pulling for Drukhari), but the more I think about it the more I am able to convince myself it would be a Harlequin codex. Quite possibly the only xenos playerbase that doesn't want their army changed right now. All the psychic awakening rules are still available except the ones from the white dwarf, which is why I think Deathwatch are one of the first books.


New Codexes teased @ 2020/10/15 18:34:30


Post by: SemperMortis


Well since Orkz had to wait 4 years between 7th and 8th edition codex's if we get one in January that would be a pleasant surprise.


New Codexes teased @ 2020/10/15 18:44:01


Post by: mrFickle


I’d have thought GW would first target thier biggest sellers so must be Orks for xenos, right? But that image isn’t orky.

Any chance it could be a new army, could we be in for a curve ball????


New Codexes teased @ 2020/10/15 18:50:10


Post by: Tyel


Given the Marine and Necron releases, I'd be surprised it was something new.

Although there's got be a Hrud release at some point.


New Codexes teased @ 2020/10/15 18:50:51


Post by: SemperMortis


mrFickle wrote:
I’d have thought GW would first target thier biggest sellers so must be Orks for xenos, right? But that image isn’t orky.

Any chance it could be a new army, could we be in for a curve ball????


Since GW can't figure out balance with what they currently have they probably need to tone down the new factions. I mean, how many "new" factions did they invent in 7th and 8th?


New Codexes teased @ 2020/10/15 19:12:00


Post by: Cap'n Failboat


SemperMortis wrote:


Since GW can't figure out balance with what they currently have they probably need to tone down the new factions. I mean, how many "new" factions did they invent in 7th and 8th?


I don't disagree with your assessment on GW's capabilities, but I doubt that'd stop them. Not adding another faction would likely be due to production considerations or cost-benefit assessments.
Two. So it's more likely than it was before 7th. Maybe even 2.5 or 3 if you count Primaris (I don't but worth mentioning)???

-b-

DA's the 5th one but I'd have considered sisters if DA wasn't already mentioned to be coming thanks to the brightness and angelic wings. It does also make a degree of sense to get all the standalone chapters quickly due to their changes to supplements. I'm guessing that if they remained standalone, they'd at least have considered leaving them for later.

The cover art may not be completely telling but there's little point to having anything at all if they were doing pure placeholders. I though Nids myself but that was before I looked outside the center bit. The goggle/tech (aka not flesh) looking bit convinces me that GSC is what they're hinting at. I'm sure GSC players are going to be happy to see that. While they need improvements, I'm not sure that was the best selection.

-b-

2 books a month is almost assuredly not going to continue. Out of the eight displayed through Jan, only half are actual dex's. I'm not going to count a real dex + marine supplement as two dex releases every month personally, but I have to concede that others might.


New Codexes teased @ 2020/10/15 19:15:44


Post by: Brutallica


World Eaters Codex at January, yes please (not gonna happen)

But yeah its probably Tau that is 'redacted'. Because GW loooooooves their Tau.

Chaos Space Marines can be expected in 2021... nice :(


New Codexes teased @ 2020/10/15 19:19:58


Post by: Dysartes


 Brutallica wrote:
World Eaters Codex at January, yes please (not gonna happen)

But yeah its probably Tau that is 'redacted'. Because GW loooooooves their Tau.

Chaos Space Marines can be expected in 2021... nice :(


...you do realise that 2021 is less than three months away at this point, right?

And that the only full Codex left to be released in 2020... is a Chaos SM book, right?


New Codexes teased @ 2020/10/15 19:24:03


Post by: BaconCatBug




My guess is Dark Angels and Nids for January.


New Codexes teased @ 2020/10/15 19:29:56


Post by: Breton


tneva82 wrote:
Yep. Which is why i don't expect 2 per month to hold for 9e either. They didn't rush like that in 8e and that was edition that Needed codexes out faster than 9e. 8e all didn't have codex to start with. 9e does


I wouldn't either. Four of those six are supplements, not even a full codex.

And yes, they've already told us one of the first in 2020 will be Dark Angels. I'm happy for BA players, I still remember the year the closest they got to a Codex was a White Dwarf Article.


New Codexes teased @ 2020/10/15 19:39:40


Post by: Cap'n Failboat


I stand corrected on the cover art after reading directives to the BBB. The supposed DA one is just imperium art in the Indom BBB pg 26, xenos-ish was just pg 34. For those thinking it was Chaos, their image would likely be the one on pg 37 and would be counter to their xenos dex claims to begin with.


New Codexes teased @ 2020/10/15 19:54:25


Post by: Karol


Breton wrote:
tneva82 wrote:
Yep. Which is why i don't expect 2 per month to hold for 9e either. They didn't rush like that in 8e and that was edition that Needed codexes out faster than 9e. 8e all didn't have codex to start with. 9e does


I wouldn't either. Four of those six are supplements, not even a full codex.

And yes, they've already told us one of the first in 2020 will be Dark Angels. I'm happy for BA players, I still remember the year the closest they got to a Codex was a White Dwarf Article.


Those seem to be very thick books to just be supplements. Now GW could have resized them just for the picture art, but I think they are too lazy to do that.



New Codexes teased @ 2020/10/15 19:56:22


Post by: Duskweaver


Both the January '21 codex covers there are definitely just placeholder art. The top one is the frontispiece for the 'Rule of the Imperium' section of the 9th edition Core Book (right before the bit about Space Marines). The bottom one is the frontispiece for the 'Perils of the Unknown' section (which talks about Xenos races). So one SM codex and one Xenos codex sounds likely.

EDIT: I don't know whether lots of people are posting at once or whether the forum's just being buggy, but literally half the posts above this one weren't there when I posted...


New Codexes teased @ 2020/10/15 20:01:02


Post by: Breton


Karol wrote:


Those seem to be very thick books to just be supplements. Now GW could have resized them just for the picture art, but I think they are too lazy to do that.



BA, DA, DW, and SW are all supplements to the Space Marine Codex that just came out. They've already announced this.


New Codexes teased @ 2020/10/15 20:03:40


Post by: Duskweaver


Karol wrote:
Those seem to be very thick books to just be supplements. Now GW could have resized them just for the picture art, but I think they are too lazy to do that.

Err... they don't literally prop the books up and take photographs of them, you know? Those are digitally created mock-ups for marketing purposes. That's why they're all apparently the same thickness despite some being supplements and others full codexes.


New Codexes teased @ 2020/10/15 20:05:27


Post by: Cap'n Failboat


Karol wrote:


Those seem to be very thick books to just be supplements. Now GW could have resized them just for the picture art, but I think they are too lazy to do that.



Previous supplements were 64-80 ish pages (and looked thicker than that number suggests in official photos). Those were only a handful of unique units/characters, rules, fluff, and art (including models). Compiling everything over the years into these new supplements and some extra unique aspects (in comparison) can likely increase the page count for these supplements as well.

It also looks like they're all the same size, suggesting that this is just a pasting of an image onto generic codex shaped assets. That's far easier than taking separate photos for each book.


New Codexes teased @ 2020/10/15 20:09:04


Post by: Karol


True, but PA books had what 2-3 armies per book. Those have one army in them, although I could be wrong of course.


New Codexes teased @ 2020/10/15 20:12:26


Post by: Voss


Frame of reference:
Current DA, SW, BA codexes- 144 pages
Ultramarines Supplement (currently has the most datasheets)- 80 pages

consider that the supplements can remove the common datasheets (most vehicles, quite a few squads), and the obligatory 'what is a space marine' and common history sections.

Current Death Guard codex- 104 pages (DG don't have access to a lot of chaos datasheets)

I'd expect the new supplements to be 96 or 104 pages. There are a lot of areas they can save space compared to the previous versions, but the snowflake chapters have a good chunk of datasheets.


New Codexes teased @ 2020/10/15 20:13:03


Post by: Dysartes


If you look carefully, Karol, you can see that the Deathwatch book says "Codex Supplement Deathwatch", with the SW and BA books having the same two words above the main title.

In contrast, the Death Guard book just has "Codex" above the main title.


New Codexes teased @ 2020/10/15 22:07:04


Post by: Strat_N8


When the edition dropped I remember GW posted a video teasing an assortment of upcoming models. While the order may or may not be significant, the first model shown was from the Deathguard followed by a Wych, Skitarii, Ork(Boy?), and Battle Sister Palatine.

I expect Admech will probably the Imperial release for January (discounting supplements). They have a lot of dataslates floating around that could benefit from being condensed into a new book and they already had army-wide mechanics in previous books (Dogma Imperatives and Canticles) so they probably won't require as significant a rewrite as some of the others (like say Tyranids). They also just had a fairly significant wave of releases, so in theory that could save some release space for whatever the Xenos release ends up being.


New Codexes teased @ 2020/10/15 22:14:46


Post by: Brutallica


 Dysartes wrote:
 Brutallica wrote:
World Eaters Codex at January, yes please (not gonna happen)

But yeah its probably Tau that is 'redacted'. Because GW loooooooves their Tau.

Chaos Space Marines can be expected in 2021... nice :(


...you do realise that 2021 is less than three months away at this point, right?

And that the only full Codex left to be released in 2020... is a Chaos SM book, right?


You do realize there is still a ton of army books on the list for the 2021 card? So 3 months is very optimistic.

Only codex left to be released is the ones i play, demons and chaos space marines yes, couldnt really care for anyone else since ive been stuck in a super shooty edition for over 3 years with vast majority of them being predictable game losses at turn 2/3 as a khorne player. So yeah, my patience is abit low.


New Codexes teased @ 2020/10/15 22:17:28


Post by: BrianDavion


Voss wrote:
Frame of reference:
Current DA, SW, BA codexes- 144 pages
Ultramarines Supplement (currently has the most datasheets)- 80 pages

consider that the supplements can remove the common datasheets (most vehicles, quite a few squads), and the obligatory 'what is a space marine' and common history sections.

Current Death Guard codex- 104 pages (DG don't have access to a lot of chaos datasheets)

I'd expect the new supplements to be 96 or 104 pages. There are a lot of areas they can save space compared to the previous versions, but the snowflake chapters have a good chunk of datasheets.


Let's look at space wolves (as they're proably going to be the biggest supplement by virtue of having the mot unique stuff) and try to make a guess..


ok, so you'll have a overleaf and a TOC (2 pages)
an introduction (page 3)
A "summery of whom they are" that is 2 pages (5)
a 2 page overview of Fenris (7)
A chapter orginization page that discusses the lay out of the chapter and gives a detailed summery of the 12 great companies. we'll assume 14 pages (21)
10 pages of history like the Ultramarines get (31 pages)
It's an open question if space wolves get a unit fluff write up since the codices seem to be moving away from that I'll assume they don't. however each character will likely get a one page write up. so that's 11 pages (42)
1 page of general rules including a super doctrine (42)
1 page of warlord traits (44)
2 Pages of Relics (45)
2 Pages of strats (47)
1 Page of rune preist Powers (48)
20 pages of datasheets (I'm assuming the layout'd be about what the index is) (68)
1 Page of Weapon profiles (69)
2 pages of points costs(20)
1 Page of random names, clearly the most important part of the book! (71)

So bare minimum I'm expecting just over 70 pages for the space wolves codex.

that said, they could easily expand that a vbit if they do give a full page of fluff write up for the space wolf exclusive units.
I also expect the new supplements to have some addtional crusade rules (maybe something to represent a unit falling to the curse of the wulfen?)

So, I figure the new supplements will be about 80 pages once you include art, etc


New Codexes teased @ 2020/10/15 22:17:53


Post by: catbarf


If they keep up with two codices per month, unless I'm fudging my mental math that means we should have all codices before a full year has passed.

Given the lead times involved in typesetting, editing, and print production, that would lend some credence to the rumor that 9th Ed playtesters were working with 9th Ed codex rules for each faction.


New Codexes teased @ 2020/10/15 22:19:38


Post by: BrianDavion


 catbarf wrote:
If they keep up with two codices per month, unless I'm fudging my mental math that means we should have all codices before a full year has passed.

Given the lead times involved in typesetting, editing, and print production, that would lend some credence to the rumor that 9th Ed playtesters were working with 9th Ed codex rules for each faction.


makes one wonder if the 8.5 marine codex was a beta codex for 9th that was released early more as a test to see how quickly they can put out books.


New Codexes teased @ 2020/10/15 22:25:57


Post by: H.B.M.C.


I'm terrified of what they'd do to 'Nids...

Anyway, I'm thinking DA and GSC for this release.


New Codexes teased @ 2020/10/15 22:35:42


Post by: Argive


Dang.. was thinking id see some actual news.
Looks like 2 a month... ugh...

So about a year from now we might have waited and seen eh ?


New Codexes teased @ 2020/10/15 22:35:53


Post by: Galas


 catbarf wrote:
If they keep up with two codices per month, unless I'm fudging my mental math that means we should have all codices before a full year has passed.

Given the lead times involved in typesetting, editing, and print production, that would lend some credence to the rumor that 9th Ed playtesters were working with 9th Ed codex rules for each faction.


It would be great if after releasing all the codex they let us 3-4 years to play with them without changing and adding new rules (With the exception of new units) and bonuses and doing just balance changes. But for being a model company GW really likes making money selling rules that last 6 months-1 year so sadly it wont happen.


New Codexes teased @ 2020/10/15 22:58:09


Post by: SemperMortis


 BaconCatBug wrote:


My guess is Dark Angels and Nids for January.


nothing like having 5 of the first 6 releases being flavors of SM.


New Codexes teased @ 2020/10/15 23:04:57


Post by: Argive


SemperMortis wrote:
 BaconCatBug wrote:


My guess is Dark Angels and Nids for January.


nothing like having 5 of the first 6 releases being flavors of SM.


They just want to get them out of the way so they can focus on other armie-.. hahahahaaa Sorry i couldn't finish that sentence.

Anyway. I think you are selfish. The real tragedy is that some colours of marines have lost their snowlakiest of the snowflakey rules for like a month..

I mean can you imagine having to wait for rules!?


New Codexes teased @ 2020/10/15 23:15:01


Post by: BrianDavion


SemperMortis wrote:
 BaconCatBug wrote:


My guess is Dark Angels and Nids for January.


nothing like having 5 of the first 6 releases being flavors of SM.


nothing like acting like this is news we've not known about for months.


New Codexes teased @ 2020/10/15 23:36:01


Post by: Super Ready


That's it, I'm gonna start calling this Godwyn's Law instead of Godwin's. The longer a Dakka thread goes on, the more the possibility that someone will complain about Marines approaches 100.%


New Codexes teased @ 2020/10/15 23:36:43


Post by: Cap'n Failboat


 Argive wrote:


They just want to get them out of the way so they can focus on other armie-.. hahahahaaa Sorry i couldn't finish that sentence.

Anyway. I think you are selfish. The real tragedy is that some colours of marines have lost their snowlakiest of the snowflakey rules for like a month..

I mean can you imagine having to wait for rules!?


I've veered away from much of Marine stuff (crons'ing it now) but changing to supplemental codexes for all the formerly dedicated dex chapters probably made their update a lot easier to do. I'm guessing they wouldn't be this soon otherwise, which would also have probably left these supplement months codexless. I'm suggesting that it's not a significant loss to the dex timeline for non-marines and add that it's will boost their EoY numbers.

-b-

GSC needs help, but is that the right choice as the second xeno dex for 9e? Over Orks/Eldar/Tau?


New Codexes teased @ 2020/10/15 23:43:05


Post by: CEO Kasen


 Super Ready wrote:
That's it, I'm gonna start calling this Godwyn's Law instead of Godwin's. The longer a Dakka thread goes on, the more the possibility that someone will complain about Marines approaches 100.%




My education between 5th and 7th is limited, as I was not involved with the game then: When were Tau overpowered and for how long?

I ask because I know that there are still people who hate them for how OP they used to be... And I'm guessing 50% of players weren't Tau.

Though no fault of most of their players, I suspect it's gonna be a lonnnnnng time before people are done crapping on Marines, and the longer they stay comparatively OP, the longer that period's gonna last. Just releasing Marine stuff early on is gonna add months to that.


New Codexes teased @ 2020/10/16 00:00:27


Post by: H.B.M.C.


SemperMortis wrote:
nothing like having 5 of the first 6 releases being flavors of SM.
You're the first person to point this out, I think. Man... I hadn't even noticed that until you brought it to light.


New Codexes teased @ 2020/10/16 00:18:19


Post by: Argive


Cap'n Failboat wrote:
 Argive wrote:


They just want to get them out of the way so they can focus on other armie-.. hahahahaaa Sorry i couldn't finish that sentence.

Anyway. I think you are selfish. The real tragedy is that some colours of marines have lost their snowlakiest of the snowflakey rules for like a month..

I mean can you imagine having to wait for rules!?


I've veered away from much of Marine stuff (crons'ing it now) but changing to supplemental codexes for all the formerly dedicated dex chapters probably made their update a lot easier to do. I'm guessing they wouldn't be this soon otherwise, which would also have probably left these supplement months codexless. I'm suggesting that it's not a significant loss to the dex timeline for non-marines and add that it's will boost their EoY numbers.

-b-

GSC needs help, but is that the right choice as the second xeno dex for 9e? Over Orks/Eldar/Tau?


Did make it easier to update though ? I see very little difference between a codex and a supplement other than you need the former in order to use the latter so its clearly GWs way of selling you two books where you could have been done with 1. I get that means data sheets would be repeated over and over but if thats a problem than do these codexes/supplements need to exist in the first place if one codex will do and do fine for everyone else? Having supplements over codexes does not stop any errors/rules face palm when GW is involved so its all potatoes patatos...
Its just bloat.. I certainly don't want other races to have to get supplements also.. We went through PA once already.

I agree I think Nids/GSC/Tau/ORKS (in that order) are in the most dire need of a rules overhaul. Drastically so..
Eldar are like the strongest of the unwanted children living out in the forest.. Completely forgotten they can fend for themselves for a little while longer..

Also DE/Quins/Tau could do with some fresh plastic above the others so I susepct they will get an actual release of stuff? I know its mad.. but just maybe we wont see another SM lt mini and DE will get a HQ or two..


New Codexes teased @ 2020/10/16 00:27:05


Post by: Eonfuzz


To prove 2020 could get worse the release schedule is only marines.

Last two books are Dark Angels and Legions of the Damned.


New Codexes teased @ 2020/10/16 01:06:19


Post by: Voss


 Brutallica wrote:
 Dysartes wrote:
 Brutallica wrote:
World Eaters Codex at January, yes please (not gonna happen)

But yeah its probably Tau that is 'redacted'. Because GW loooooooves their Tau.

Chaos Space Marines can be expected in 2021... nice :(


...you do realise that 2021 is less than three months away at this point, right?

And that the only full Codex left to be released in 2020... is a Chaos SM book, right?


You do realize there is still a ton of army books on the list for the 2021 card? So 3 months is very optimistic.

Well, October is half over. The year 2020 really does end after December, so 'less than 3 months' left is perfectly accurate, not optimistic.

Only codex left to be released is the ones i play, demons and chaos space marines yes, couldnt really care for anyone else since ive been stuck in a super shooty edition for over 3 years with vast majority of them being predictable game losses at turn 2/3 as a khorne player. So yeah, my patience is abit low.

Um. The edition is only 3 months old at this point. We just got the _first_ two codex releases.
We don't really have any idea where any codex slots into the release order after the marine supplement, Death Guard then DA and a Xenos book in January.

Regardless of how patient you are (or aren't), non-DG chaos isn't coming until February at the earliest.


New Codexes teased @ 2020/10/16 01:13:41


Post by: Cap'n Failboat


 Argive wrote:

Did make it easier to update though ? I see very little difference between a codex and a supplement other than you need the former in order to use the latter so its clearly GWs way of selling you two books where you could have been done with 1. I get that means data sheets would be repeated over and over but if thats a problem than do these codexes/supplements need to exist in the first place if one codex will do and do fine for everyone else? Having supplements over codexes does not stop any errors/rules face palm when GW is involved so its all potatoes patatos...
Its just bloat.. I certainly don't want other races to have to get supplements also.. We went through PA once already.


Sorry. I wasn't clear.

I wouldn't have advocated for the "snowflakes" to revert to supplements (I suffered from that back in the early-mid '00s). I actually hated the PA schedule too. Too many gakking books just make having the right rules more confusing for newer players and expensive for everyone. However, they made the decision to turn them into supplements, period.

Then, as crap as they are with balance, I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt in that they looked into C:SM interactions with the snowflakes' rules when finalizing C:SM. At that point; compiling fluff, art, rules, unique datasheets is mostly done. The biggest investment of effort is adapting changes for the new mechanics (core/auras/command upgrades) to the unique units and defining how each supplement interacts with what's in C:SM...and maybe new character/units here and there. Basically, I'm guessing that it's limited effort, limited interruption with the remaining schedule of dex releases, and a possible boost to numbers right before the end of the calendar year.

There's also an argument for those book's need since the adjustment from dex to supplement does have its issues. I haven't even bothered to look at how it works with my SW right now, as I haven't even picked up the new C:SM dex, and have been focusing on crons. Altogether, I know there are issues present, I just don't know what they all are and how interruptive (read: strong & valid) that argument is.


New Codexes teased @ 2020/10/16 01:53:04


Post by: BrianDavion


 Argive wrote:
Cap'n Failboat wrote:
 Argive wrote:


They just want to get them out of the way so they can focus on other armie-.. hahahahaaa Sorry i couldn't finish that sentence.

Anyway. I think you are selfish. The real tragedy is that some colours of marines have lost their snowlakiest of the snowflakey rules for like a month..

I mean can you imagine having to wait for rules!?


I've veered away from much of Marine stuff (crons'ing it now) but changing to supplemental codexes for all the formerly dedicated dex chapters probably made their update a lot easier to do. I'm guessing they wouldn't be this soon otherwise, which would also have probably left these supplement months codexless. I'm suggesting that it's not a significant loss to the dex timeline for non-marines and add that it's will boost their EoY numbers.

-b-

GSC needs help, but is that the right choice as the second xeno dex for 9e? Over Orks/Eldar/Tau?


Did make it easier to update though ? I see very little difference between a codex and a supplement other than you need the former in order to use the latter so its clearly GWs way of selling you two books where you could have been done with 1. I get that means data sheets would be repeated over and over but if thats a problem than do these codexes/supplements need to exist in the first place if one codex will do and do fine for everyone else? Having supplements over codexes does not stop any errors/rules face palm when GW is involved so its all potatoes patatos...
Its just bloat.. I certainly don't want other races to have to get supplements also.. We went through PA once already.

I agree I think Nids/GSC/Tau/ORKS (in that order) are in the most dire need of a rules overhaul. Drastically so..
Eldar are like the strongest of the unwanted children living out in the forest.. Completely forgotten they can fend for themselves for a little while longer..

Also DE/Quins/Tau could do with some fresh plastic above the others so I susepct they will get an actual release of stuff? I know its mad.. but just maybe we wont see another SM lt mini and DE will get a HQ or two..


long term it DID make them easier to update, once the supplements are out of the way all marines can be updated at once, no more one space marine uses differant rules from another space marine because his codex is 2 editions out of date etc.


New Codexes teased @ 2020/10/16 01:59:41


Post by: catbarf


H.B.M.C. wrote:I'm terrified of what they'd do to 'Nids...

Anyway, I'm thinking DA and GSC for this release.


Ah, whatever, only the masochists among us remain. In the transition to 9th our only good troops choice got a points hike and susceptibility to Blast and half of us were just like harder, daddy. We're the community equivalent of Drukhari Wracks. Desensitized to suffering.

In all seriousness, I wouldn't be surprised if it is DA + Nids, although DA + GSC seems plausible too. For whatever reason Tyranids were early in the release cycle for 8th.

Galas wrote:It would be great if after releasing all the codex they let us 3-4 years to play with them without changing and adding new rules (With the exception of new units) and bonuses and doing just balance changes. But for being a model company GW really likes making money selling rules that last 6 months-1 year so sadly it wont happen.


Yeah. It would. I do kind of think that if they're getting all the codices out early, then that will provide a reasonable baseline for clubs to say 'alright, no new gak' for a while. No new Vigilus battles, or Psychic Reawakenings, or whatever other junk comes out.

If they do another community survey, I'm going to say the same thing I did last time- I'm done buying books that are invalid in two years.

Anyways, I wonder how all this dovetails with the Imperial Armour books that were supposed to come out at some point. They've been curiously missing.


New Codexes teased @ 2020/10/16 02:08:46


Post by: BrianDavion


Didn't GW tease an Ork mini coming up? between that and Ghaz needing a solo release, Orks seem a safe bet


New Codexes teased @ 2020/10/16 03:15:33


Post by: Voss


BrianDavion wrote:
Didn't GW tease an Ork mini coming up? between that and Ghaz needing a solo release, Orks seem a safe bet


They did, the video at the bottom of this page, all the way back in July:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/07/25/the-warhammer-40000-launch-party-preview/0720

The DG character is there, a dark eldar gladiator (or Lylyth), an Ad Mech character, an ork, and a Sister Palantine.

Given that we're seeing the DG character with that new codex, and the January codex* is definitely Xenos, Dark Eldar or Ork seem most likely.

*as opposed to the supplement.


New Codexes teased @ 2020/10/16 03:18:03


Post by: H.B.M.C.


BrianDavion wrote:
Didn't GW tease an Ork mini coming up? between that and Ghaz needing a solo release, Orks seem a safe bet
Shut up with that perfectly reasonable logic and well-considered reasoning! We'll have none of that here!!!

Clearly it's going to be Codex: Imperial Agents and Codex: Hrudd Migrations.


New Codexes teased @ 2020/10/16 04:35:34


Post by: BrianDavion


 H.B.M.C. wrote:
BrianDavion wrote:
Didn't GW tease an Ork mini coming up? between that and Ghaz needing a solo release, Orks seem a safe bet
Shut up with that perfectly reasonable logic and well-considered reasoning! We'll have none of that here!!!

Clearly it's going to be Codex: Imperial Agents and Codex: Hrudd Migrations.


ohh I think you're onto something about imperial agents, but we know it's xenos...
CODEX JOKERO CONFIRMED!


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Voss wrote:
BrianDavion wrote:
Didn't GW tease an Ork mini coming up? between that and Ghaz needing a solo release, Orks seem a safe bet


They did, the video at the bottom of this page, all the way back in July:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/07/25/the-warhammer-40000-launch-party-preview/0720

The DG character is there, a dark eldar gladiator (or Lylyth), an Ad Mech character, an ork, and a Sister Palantine.

Given that we're seeing the DG character with that new codex, and the January codex* is definitely Xenos, Dark Eldar or Ork seem most likely.

*as opposed to the supplement.


DA and Orks in late jan/early febuary, Sisters and dark eldar in spring?


New Codexes teased @ 2020/10/16 06:01:01


Post by: Karol


 Dysartes wrote:
If you look carefully, Karol, you can see that the Deathwatch book says "Codex Supplement Deathwatch", with the SW and BA books having the same two words above the main title.

In contrast, the Death Guard book just has "Codex" above the main title.


GW can call their stuff what ever they want, that is true. They called the thing my dudes got in 8th a codex too, but it sure as hell wasn't one till PA came out.

But in the end it is just that names, what is important is how optional the books are going to be, if someone wants to play BA or SW. if it is a 104 book at full codex cost, with just a few characters, relics and maybe a psychic power school and people have to get the unit rules from the SM codex, then it is going to be really unfun. Specialy if the supplements end up costing almost or as much as a codex.


New Codexes teased @ 2020/10/16 06:06:11


Post by: Spoletta


My lovely bugs are probably going to be one of the last codici in the line.

In the preview models none of them was a bug, so we are in for the long wait.
Good thing about that is that it could potentially come with a massive necron style release.


New Codexes teased @ 2020/10/16 06:18:59


Post by: wuestenfux


Two codices per month would be a fast pace.
Not sure if GW can keep up with it.


New Codexes teased @ 2020/10/16 07:25:19


Post by: Eldarsif


 wuestenfux wrote:
Two codices per month would be a fast pace.
Not sure if GW can keep up with it.


Depends on how much work they put into it and if they've increased their staff or not. If they are doing bare minimum to change the codex then it will probably suck, but they can push two out in no time.

Currently I am waiting to see what they do with the Death Guard and Drukhari codexes to make an evaluation.


New Codexes teased @ 2020/10/16 14:53:01


Post by: Dysartes


 Super Ready wrote:
That's it, I'm gonna start calling this Godwyn's Law instead of Godwin's. The longer a Dakka thread goes on, the more the possibility that someone will complain about Marines approaches 100.%


Guilliman's Law, surely?


New Codexes teased @ 2020/10/16 15:02:16


Post by: beast_gts


 Eldarsif wrote:
Currently I am waiting to see what they do with the Death Guard and Drukhari codexes to make an evaluation.

There's a rumour (from an admittedly unreliable source) that it's going to a Ynnari Codex with Craftworld / Drukhari / etc. Supplements. I don't play Eldar so I'm not sure how much sense that would make.


New Codexes teased @ 2020/10/16 15:05:02


Post by: Kanluwen


It would make zero sense, from my understanding.

I could see it finally being the Ynnari codex though. There's long been talk of something for it.


New Codexes teased @ 2020/10/16 15:14:19


Post by: AdmiralHalsey


 Dysartes wrote:
 Super Ready wrote:
That's it, I'm gonna start calling this Godwyn's Law instead of Godwin's. The longer a Dakka thread goes on, the more the possibility that someone will complain about Marines approaches 100.%


Guilliman's Law, surely?


Exalted.


New Codexes teased @ 2020/10/16 15:23:23


Post by: vipoid


I realise that this aspect isn't news, but could someone explain to me the logic of consolidating the SM factions into a single book . . . only to then release separate codices/supplements for each of them anyway?

Doesn't that just make the whole consolidation entirely pointless? Surely if you're hellbent on releasing separate books for each colour of SM, then you might as well just keep them in separate books?


New Codexes teased @ 2020/10/16 15:27:27


Post by: Overread


 vipoid wrote:
I realise that this aspect isn't news, but could someone explain to me the logic of consolidating the SM factions into a single book . . . only to then release separate codices/supplements for each of them anyway?

Doesn't that just make the whole consolidation entirely pointless? Surely if you're hellbent on releasing separate books for each colour of SM, then you might as well just keep them in separate books?


The idea is that the marines share a very similar strong core of models. The single book is basically needed as a foundation for each expansion chapter. So GW puts a "taster" of each chapter into the book. That's mostly there for those who might not be Blood Angels players today, but who might experiment with them now and then and get tempted. If they get tempted enough then they get the supplemental book which lets them get access to all the unique BA models and such.



New Codexes teased @ 2020/10/16 15:30:53


Post by: Quasistellar


I know everyone's assuming the imperial codex is Dark Angels, but GW never specified January for them--only "early 2021" if I'm not mistaken.

I find it a bit odd that after mentioning DA would be coming in early 2021, that they don't outright say the january codex is DA.

It could very well be AdMech, which has a bazillion new models/units that need added to the codex, plus the new sneak peaked character.

Edit:
Dark Angels fans won’t have to wait much longer – your codex supplement will be on its way early next year, along with the first xenos codex of 2021.

From the codex show in September.

Still, it's odd that after saying that, that they don't just tell us in the new update that DA is the one coming out in January.


New Codexes teased @ 2020/10/16 15:52:13


Post by: Voss


 vipoid wrote:
I realise that this aspect isn't news, but could someone explain to me the logic of consolidating the SM factions into a single book . . . only to then release separate codices/supplements for each of them anyway?

Doesn't that just make the whole consolidation entirely pointless? Surely if you're hellbent on releasing separate books for each colour of SM, then you might as well just keep them in separate books?


It means just updating wargear and common units once. There is a long, long history of some subfactions lagging behind with out of date rules or completely different design philosophies (*cough* DA *cough*).
Not to mention the PA fiasco that just happened.

It isn't perfect, but its better than anything they've tried before.
I'm not convinced its the best solution, but its functional.


New Codexes teased @ 2020/10/16 15:54:19


Post by: Kanluwen


Dark Angels was specified as the first codex of 2021.

AdMech is probably going to be fairly early next year, but once Dark Angels and if a Black Templars book drops? They're done with Marine supplements until they redo the original ones.


New Codexes teased @ 2020/10/16 16:15:06


Post by: Dysartes


Black Templars are definitely in an odd place at present, that's for sure.


New Codexes teased @ 2020/10/16 16:40:32


Post by: Quasistellar


 Kanluwen wrote:
Dark Angels was specified as the first codex of 2021.


From https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/09/12/the-codex-show/:

Dark Angels fans won’t have to wait much longer – your codex supplement will be on its way early next year, along with the first xenos codex of 2021.


Technically they said it would come along with the first Xenos codex. That's why it's odd that they're now not explicitly stating that the January codex is DA.

Could be they poorly worded that and meant the first Xenos codex would be in 2021. Saying it's the first xenos codex "of 2021" kind of implies there would be at least one in 2020.


New Codexes teased @ 2020/10/16 16:43:57


Post by: Super Ready


 Dysartes wrote:
 Super Ready wrote:
That's it, I'm gonna start calling this Godwyn's Law instead of Godwin's. The longer a Dakka thread goes on, the more the possibility that someone will complain about Marines approaches 100.%

Guilliman's Law, surely?

Nice! But, no... Godwyn after the bolter pattern.



New Codexes teased @ 2020/10/16 16:57:14


Post by: Kanluwen


Quasistellar wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
Dark Angels was specified as the first codex of 2021.


From https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/09/12/the-codex-show/:

Dark Angels fans won’t have to wait much longer – your codex supplement will be on its way early next year, along with the first xenos codex of 2021.


Technically they said it would come along with the first Xenos codex. That's why it's odd that they're now not explicitly stating that the January codex is DA.

It's really not though. This is the problem that comes up with regards to how GW previews things. There's effectively two 'levels' of previews going on.

-Previews for 'dedicated' fans. These are the kinds of previews where it's the livestreams and the Warhammer Community page, where things are discussed fairly in-depth. That's where they stated it was going to be the first Codex of 2021.
-Previews for the 'everyday' fans. These are things like the rumor roundup setups after a livestream on the article and the Facebook/Twitter postings, where it breaks down things without making it time consuming.

The problem is that both of those pale in comparison to leaks or the 'rumormonger' experience that people like us on forums have. It's effectively three different worlds and it is quite irritating to me hearing people constantly complaining about how it's "odd" that they don't call things out after making a rough set of commitments.
There's also manufacturing & distribution factors to consider. It's one thing to 'know' that "Hey, this is the next book coming!".
It's a whole other thing to have them say "Okay, this book is ready to go and we're committed to making it a January release!".
We're seeing comments about that right now in the preview thread for Saturday, with complaints about GW potentially previewing Direchasm(a known product) and Blood Bowl's second season(a leaked product that they released preview material for early).

Could be they poorly worded that and meant the first Xenos codex would be in 2021. Saying it's the first xenos codex "of 2021" kind of implies there would be at least one in 2020.

There was. That book is Necrons.

The roadmap explicitly is post Space Marines and Necrons.
Now that Codex: Space Marines and Codex: Necrons are both available, we thought we’d share with you the roadmap for the next codex releases. It’s a very exciting time for all fans of Warhammer 40,000!


New Codexes teased @ 2020/10/16 17:20:53


Post by: Lord Zarkov


 wuestenfux wrote:
Two codices per month would be a fast pace.
Not sure if GW can keep up with it.


If I was being really cynical I’d predict one Codex & 1 SM supplement per month...

DA in Jan, perhaps BT in Feb, UM in Mar, and so on...

Means they can keep pumping out Marine new shinies for the monies while not needing a whole 2 Codex/month worth of resource.

Would keep them going until Aug...


New Codexes teased @ 2020/10/16 17:44:26


Post by: mrFickle


There’s a fast pace at the minute because the codexes they are releasing are all for armies that either have new models or aren’t going to get new models. And are supplements really codexes?

I think it will slow down but hopefully that means new models to go with them.


New Codexes teased @ 2020/10/16 17:58:09


Post by: Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl


 Super Ready wrote:
Nice! But, no... Godwyn after the bolter pattern.


Gowdyn-De'az > Godwyn


New Codexes teased @ 2020/10/16 19:13:37


Post by: Voss


Quasistellar wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
Dark Angels was specified as the first codex of 2021.


From https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/09/12/the-codex-show/:

Dark Angels fans won’t have to wait much longer – your codex supplement will be on its way early next year, along with the first xenos codex of 2021.


Technically they said it would come along with the first Xenos codex. That's why it's odd that they're now not explicitly stating that the January codex is DA.

Could be they poorly worded that and meant the first Xenos codex would be in 2021. Saying it's the first xenos codex "of 2021" kind of implies there would be at least one in 2020.


You're overthinking it way too much, to the point that you're ignoring books that just happened, and how GW previews things.
They're not going to name drop a book and then save it for later, after unannounced products.

There is a slight exception here as they know players get attached to specific color sub-factions. And they want that, as it gives players a reason to buy the general codex, and all the new toys that they can use. But they want to keep the supplements somewhat together, or it will convince people to save money and buy everything later (and maybe change their mind and not buy anything at all).

GW targets it's previews at getting folks to spend money now. The specific target here is even though DA are last, they currently have stuff to buy, but the xenos codex remains a mystery, becuase those players might buy marines or necrons instead, and maybe still buy the new xenos in January once that becomes a reality. It's all about timing people's spending.


New Codexes teased @ 2020/10/16 19:23:24


Post by: dotcomee


Two codexes a month is not really a fast pace. It's still going to be a year or more before you have an even playing field amongst all armies.

If I'm going 5mph and I double it to 10mph, I doubled my speed but I'm still driving ridiculously slow.

GW's release schedule is still ridiculously slow. If you are one of the codexes that will be released on the back end of this, waiting a year while everybody else gets to play with their new toys is a long time.

Just because they used to be slower doesn't mean they are fast now.


New Codexes teased @ 2020/10/16 19:28:26


Post by: a_typical_hero


 dotcomee wrote:
Two codexes a month is not really a fast pace. It's still going to be a year or more before you have an even playing field amongst all armies.

If I'm going 5mph and I double it to 10mph, I doubled my speed but I'm still driving ridiculously slow.

GW's release schedule is still ridiculously slow. If you are one of the codexes that will be released on the back end of this, waiting a year while everybody else gets to play with their new toys is a long time.

Just because they used to be slower doesn't mean they are fast now.

That is correct. Still you will get there twice as fast as before. Which is an improvement.


New Codexes teased @ 2020/10/16 19:29:49


Post by: bullyboy


Some are more pressing than others. Sisters are fine and should be way at the end of the line. Same with Harlequins really.
Chaos need a book quickly as the 2W marine issue is glaring while chaos has no book.
I'm not familiar enough with Orks, Tau, and nids to rank their needs.
Eldar need a big release this edition with a book that manages internal balance more effectively.
Not sure on guard but I do think we're going to see some Catachans this edition.


New Codexes teased @ 2020/10/16 19:35:27


Post by: dotcomee


 bullyboy wrote:

I'm not familiar enough with Orks, Tau, and nids to rank their needs.


That's OK, I don't think GW is either...


New Codexes teased @ 2020/10/16 19:46:39


Post by: kodos


Quasistellar wrote:

Could be they poorly worded that and meant the first Xenos codex would be in 2021. Saying it's the first xenos codex "of 2021" kind of implies there would be at least one in 2020.

like Necrons?


New Codexes teased @ 2020/10/16 19:58:22


Post by: Ordana


 dotcomee wrote:
Two codexes a month is not really a fast pace. It's still going to be a year or more before you have an even playing field amongst all armies.

If I'm going 5mph and I double it to 10mph, I doubled my speed but I'm still driving ridiculously slow.

GW's release schedule is still ridiculously slow. If you are one of the codexes that will be released on the back end of this, waiting a year while everybody else gets to play with their new toys is a long time.

Just because they used to be slower doesn't mean they are fast now.
2 per month is already a speed that can only be done if the codexes are already finished. Your not going to write, test, revise, test and revise again an entire codex in under 2 weeks (and yes, I'm sure someone will make the joke GW doesn't test).


New Codexes teased @ 2020/10/16 20:24:15


Post by: bullyboy


 dotcomee wrote:
 bullyboy wrote:

I'm not familiar enough with Orks, Tau, and nids to rank their needs.


That's OK, I don't think GW is either...


Haha, nice one centurion, nice one.


New Codexes teased @ 2020/10/16 20:31:59


Post by: kodos


 Ordana wrote:
2 per month is already a speed that can only be done if the codexes are already finished. Your not going to write, test, revise, test and revise again an entire codex in under 2 weeks (and yes, I'm sure someone will make the joke GW doesn't test).

we don't really know if they test or not, but from the simple errors we get with their books it is likely that there is not more than one revise (if any at all)

so it would be, write the concept, test to proof it and print it, but this is not the time saving thing that would make it possible

the one point you are missing is the time needed to print the books and this takes 6 months (to print enough for a worldwide release and ship it to the different warehouses)
which mean that the books we are going to see end of January went to the printer 2 months ago at the beginning of August and it is more likely that the Marine Supplements were all already finished way earlier together with the main Codex and they just stretch the release and we see only 2 "new" books that were written after


New Codexes teased @ 2020/10/16 20:47:50


Post by: Quasistellar


 kodos wrote:
Quasistellar wrote:

Could be they poorly worded that and meant the first Xenos codex would be in 2021. Saying it's the first xenos codex "of 2021" kind of implies there would be at least one in 2020.

like Necrons?


Touche, and I even own the codex, LOL. Just came in the mail yesterday--I got caught up in the image presented showing upcoming stuff.

Still does not explain why they would announce DA is coming with the first xenos codex in 2021, then a month later pretend they don't know what's coming with the first xenos codex in 2021. It doesn't make sense! I'm just putting this out there because everyone is saying as a matter of fact that DA will be in January, when GW's most recent update does in fact not say that.

Just don't want DA players to get TOO salty IF their codex is not released at that time.


New Codexes teased @ 2020/10/16 21:11:04


Post by: BrianDavion


 kodos wrote:
Quasistellar wrote:

Could be they poorly worded that and meant the first Xenos codex would be in 2021. Saying it's the first xenos codex "of 2021" kind of implies there would be at least one in 2020.

like Necrons?


maybe he thinks necrons are space marines?


New Codexes teased @ 2020/10/16 21:33:17


Post by: Voss


 Ordana wrote:
 dotcomee wrote:
Two codexes a month is not really a fast pace. It's still going to be a year or more before you have an even playing field amongst all armies.

If I'm going 5mph and I double it to 10mph, I doubled my speed but I'm still driving ridiculously slow.

GW's release schedule is still ridiculously slow. If you are one of the codexes that will be released on the back end of this, waiting a year while everybody else gets to play with their new toys is a long time.

Just because they used to be slower doesn't mean they are fast now.
2 per month is already a speed that can only be done if the codexes are already finished. Your not going to write, test, revise, test and revise again an entire codex in under 2 weeks (and yes, I'm sure someone will make the joke GW doesn't test).


That... really doesn't interact with how writing and publishing works. Yes, every book we know about is already done. Even the January books have been finalized and the printer has the final copy in some stage of printing (even if its just queued up) at this point.
But this is a continuous cycle. The folks on Necrons and SM moved to the next ones in turn months ago, and then again, and so on into the future.

All that's really needed to do two books a month [efficiently] is two writing teams and two editing teams (though honestly editors are likely a shared pool at GW). Maybe a third team if you really want to solve or avoid backlog problems.
It also helps that the supplements are easy. The background is largely copypasta and rewording at this point, and the snowflake datasheets are just variants of the main codex datasheets with some tweaks (Grey Hunters are tacticals with <rule> and two special weapons rather than heavy and special). That's dead simple 9 editions in.

Also keep in mind that the books would have started quite a ways back, overlapping with the new edition. Especially for background writing and art orders (and sorting through the existing art library). There was plenty of time to start creating a generous timeline without approaching anything like 'two weeks on each book'. It'd be several months each with different stages, especially since new rules require waiting on new model designs to be finished. But nothing stops the background and art from being worked on well ahead of rules, and that's half the book close to ready.

As projects go, a 40k codex is fairly simple, and the jobs don't overlap much. Background writing is largely done, and either involves tweaks or not violating established material. Layout of art and page format is a different job. Rules are another, and again its a lot of rephrasing or copying old material, with a variable amount of new. Points are basically tweaking a baseline with (hopefully) several stages of review and revision. Editing would (hopefully) involve 2-3 people. You can do a decent job with a half-dozen people on each book, with some roles overlapping for both books slated for a particular release window.

(And also note, we have little idea of how much got moved around this year. Books are done in China, models in Britain, and Covid related obstacles hit those regions at different times, for different lengths of time). Two a month, every month may not have been the original schedule. And may reasonably not stay the schedule (though they should make that clear, since people are going to start expecting it after four months in a row)


New Codexes teased @ 2020/10/16 21:45:01


Post by: Kanluwen


GW was apparently trying to get stuff on site for printing as recently as last year. I think some of the smaller books have been done that way.


New Codexes teased @ 2020/10/16 22:19:13


Post by: Cap'n Failboat


 kodos wrote:

we don't really know if they test or not, but from the simple errors we get with their books it is likely that there is not more than one revise (if any at all)


We don't have official confirmation from GW, but we do at least have those who claim to be. TTT and TTT (Titans and Tactics) each have at least one member of their teams as GW testers. Titans' tester (Brian) states that there are various teams for each book, but his explicit role is to look at the proposed rules and identify/test broken combos from them. If I remember right, one of them claimed that their last interaction with WIP rules was 7-8 months ago and that was in Aug/Sep.

Then, of course, GW only takes their feedback into account, rather than a direct course of action. That doesn't mean it's good...or even remotely adequate, but these external testers exist. I have nothing on GW's internal testing, though I assume they at least put a half-hearted effort into it.


New Codexes teased @ 2020/10/16 22:27:57


Post by: Argive


 Kanluwen wrote:
It would make zero sense, from my understanding.

I could see it finally being the Ynnari codex though. There's long been talk of something for it.


God I hope not..
3 character models should not have a codex.. And I say this as somebody who uses occasional ynnari character in my CWE army.

A WD ruleset done well would be perfectly sufficient like assasins.


New Codexes teased @ 2020/10/16 23:11:04


Post by: Slayer-Fan123


 Argive wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
It would make zero sense, from my understanding.

I could see it finally being the Ynnari codex though. There's long been talk of something for it.


God I hope not..
3 character models should not have a codex.. And I say this as somebody who uses occasional ynnari character in my CWE army.

A WD ruleset done well would be perfectly sufficient like assasins.

In reality Ynarri characters, named or generic, should've been treated like Inquisitors.


New Codexes teased @ 2020/10/16 23:31:18


Post by: Horla


Voss wrote:Books are done in China,

I picked up the new Space Marines Codex today and according to the back cover it was printed in the UK. I too thought all the print material was done in China now.


New Codexes teased @ 2020/10/16 23:34:02


Post by: Voss


Horla wrote:
Voss wrote:Books are done in China,

I picked up the new Space Marines Codex today and according to the back cover it was printed in the UK. I too thought all the print material was done in China now.


Huh. That's a big shift. I knew Warcry and a couple minor books were, but that's new for mainline books (both the main rules and mission packs are printed by in China, either by C&C or Artron).
Sadly, that helps account for the increased price tag on the SM and Necron books.


New Codexes teased @ 2020/10/16 23:35:56


Post by: Overread


I think their hardbacks are done by a UK firm and their softbacks and card stock are done in china. Cardprinting machines would be great for GW considering that GW seems to only like making one order for card related products from overseas


New Codexes teased @ 2020/10/16 23:38:55


Post by: Voss


 Overread wrote:
I think their hardbacks are done by a UK firm and their softbacks and card stock are done in china. Cardprinting machines would be great for GW considering that GW seems to only like making one order for card related products from overseas


That hasn't been true for years- hardbacks have been done in China (most of the 8th ed codex line, of AoS I can only account for Gloomspite, but that's also China). CA 2018 was China as well, as were the Indexes as the start of 8th, so was Know No Fear from the 8th starter.
Its only been the occasional softback like the Warcry rules that comes from the UK.


New Codexes teased @ 2020/10/16 23:42:15


Post by: beast_gts


 Overread wrote:
I think their hardbacks are done by a UK firm and their softbacks and card stock are done in china. Cardprinting machines would be great for GW considering that GW seems to only like making one order for card related products from overseas

Rumour is they're trying to bring cards (and transfers) in-house, but keep hitting problems (such as the neighbouring rail system taking up all the high-voltage power infrastructure).


New Codexes teased @ 2020/10/17 04:53:29


Post by: Breton


 vipoid wrote:
I realise that this aspect isn't news, but could someone explain to me the logic of consolidating the SM factions into a single book . . . only to then release separate codices/supplements for each of them anyway?

Doesn't that just make the whole consolidation entirely pointless? Surely if you're hellbent on releasing separate books for each colour of SM, then you might as well just keep them in separate books?


Well if you're cynical, the guy who plays DA and UM now has to buy three books instead of two books, and download three FAQ's isntead of two etc.

Flip side, all the shared units are in the one book, all the uniques will be in the other so I don't have to worry if Terminators in the this book at different than the terminators in the that book.


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Still, it's odd that after saying that, that they don't just tell us in the new update that DA is the one coming out in January.


Its almost as if they think their customers might be just a little stupid? So they make 6 different Captain datasheets not trusting the player to turn MV6 into Mv5 or Mv 14 etc based on their wargear?