Is there stuff even available here in the UK? From what I've seen they tend to go for about £80 on ebay and such, significantly more than they 'should' cost.
I’m not really into action figures, so I’ve never heard of Joy Toy. One quick Google later, I’m pleasantly surprised by how good their stuff looks. This could be very interesting.
Sigh, another dumb brick hErOiC bolter. These things are supposed to be 20 mm caliber, not 200, you'd think if half of GW artists can do them justice at least ONE figure would too...
If this is the scale I'm thinking, maybe we'll be more likely to see the other races - I'd certainly buy up all the Eldar aspects (and a Tau crisis suit, TBH).
To caveat off of this thread, The McFarlane figures are excellent, but the paintjobs need to be gone over with washes, details, and some GW metals...
New ones out- Sister of Battle, a Hellblaster, and the unpainted of each.
Flayed One is for Preorder...
These guys are like 8 or 9 inches tall, look pretty crisp. A Must have for us getting our Sister back out of the dust and reigniting the forge world....
I can't wait for the Adeptus Mechanicus ranger/ or tech priest....
I mean, I get the why. Because every other IP since Star Wars prosper on merchandise and collateral. Everyone knows that GW only shoot to survive long term is becoming a brand company.
Did GW realize that glorified merchandise and toys is already their main business?
I mean, I get the why. Because every other IP since Star Wars prosper on merchandise and collateral. Everyone knows that GW only shoot to survive long term is becoming a brand company.
Did GW realize that glorified merchandise and toys is already their main business?
???
Building and painting models and playing games with increasingly slipshod rules is a very niche thing.
Buying an action figure to put on your shelf is easy. In they pyramid of GW fans, the multitude who buy a book, a comic, video game or a toy, far outnumber the ones building a fully painted Ultramarines Demicompany.
I mean, I get the why. Because every other IP since Star Wars prosper on merchandise and collateral. Everyone knows that GW only shoot to survive long term is becoming a brand company.
Did GW realize that glorified merchandise and toys is already their main business?
For years GW didn't really license out their IP much at all, outside of the occasional video game and such, what is the problem with other companies making stuff with it? Popular brands get all sorts of different merchandise, I don't see why this should be any different.
Such model should come with their own skirmish rules. That's GW business.
GW has done plenty of non-miniature stuff and have been releasing various merchandise/collectables for years, the only difference is they now license the IP to other companies to do so as well.
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: Anyone care to take a guess if that’s one base model with lots of bits?
That's exactly what it is because that's how toylines work for the most part. If you check out JoyToy's current line, it's basically all retools and repaints with different accessories for the first couple release waves. Hell, Hasbro used the same Classics Starscream mold for 15+ years and eventually had to retire them due to detail degradation on the masters.
Such model should come with their own skirmish rules. That's GW business.
The return of Inquisitor!
(the game where a Space Marine would do more damage throwing the krak grenade at something instead of doing something silly like pulling out the pin first)
Not sure why people are having issues with these figures. If you dont like em dont buy em. They look cool to me and if this helps keep GW in business than thats a good thing. I dont game anymore but I have been part of the GW since the mid 80's, since rouge trade , thud the barbarian etc. and want GW to be around for a long time.
Oh, yeah, got some Orks and Eldar up in this, then we can make a 1/18 scale skirmish game to go with, maybe dust off the open-filed variant of the Calth rules I was thinking about…
These two sets of four figures will be available via Made to Order from the Games Workshop webstore for one week only from the 25th of September to the 3rd of October at 6pm (BST).
WarhammerCommunity wrote:Leading them all, the fearsome Chaos Lord Khalos the Ravager maintains discipline by sheer force of will and violent example. His huge thunder hammer is frightening to behold, and with this many points of articulation he’ll be able to pull off some impressive poses while crushing skulls for his dark masters.
But that figure's clearly based on Obsidius Mallex...
WarhammerCommunity wrote:Leading them all, the fearsome Chaos Lord Khalos the Ravager maintains discipline by sheer force of will and violent example. His huge thunder hammer is frightening to behold, and with this many points of articulation he’ll be able to pull off some impressive poses while crushing skulls for his dark masters.
But that figure's clearly based on Obsidius Mallex...
Yea, but they are more expensive there too. The GW website had the first wave of models but I don't know if anyone's gotten any from GW shipped yet. I hope GW puts up pre-orders for wave 2 (the ones on bigbadtoys + suit) and wave 3 which is the SW and Chaos.
Do people actually want to buy these? I could see myself buying a larger scale marine to paint if it had more detail and more realistic proportions (gun scale etc) but these are just upscaled miniatures with basically no extra detail added. So what's the point?
Crimson wrote: Do people actually want to buy these? I could see myself buying a larger scale marine to paint if it had more detail and more realistic proportions (gun scale etc) but these are just upscaled miniatures with basically no extra detail added. So what's the point?
Crimson wrote: Do people actually want to buy these? I could see myself buying a larger scale marine to paint if it had more detail and more realistic proportions (gun scale etc) but these are just upscaled miniatures with basically no extra detail added. So what's the point?
Do you see no point in action figures in general?
I mean this might seem like a silly thing to say on a toy soldier forum, but action figures are toys for kids, right?
Crimson wrote: Do people actually want to buy these? I could see myself buying a larger scale marine to paint if it had more detail and more realistic proportions (gun scale etc) but these are just upscaled miniatures with basically no extra detail added. So what's the point?
Do you see no point in action figures in general?
I mean this might seem like a silly thing to say on a toy soldier forum, but action figures are toys for kids, right?
I know there was always a call for rules to use GIJoes and transformers, there is crossover, but just not as much as one would assume.
Crimson wrote: Do people actually want to buy these? I could see myself buying a larger scale marine to paint if it had more detail and more realistic proportions (gun scale etc) but these are just upscaled miniatures with basically no extra detail added. So what's the point?
Do you see no point in action figures in general?
I mean this might seem like a silly thing to say on a toy soldier forum, but action figures are toys for kids, right?
No, not really. Cheap generic/budget stuff? Maybe.. But proper quality brands with full pose-ability/articulation and all that aren't really the sort of thing you'd get to play with like a toy, more so pose for display. Brands like Sideshow for example are very very high quality, large scale action figures that cost £200+, they're more collectable figures than "toys".
Crimson wrote: Do people actually want to buy these? I could see myself buying a larger scale marine to paint if it had more detail and more realistic proportions (gun scale etc) but these are just upscaled miniatures with basically no extra detail added. So what's the point?
Do you see no point in action figures in general?
I mean this might seem like a silly thing to say on a toy soldier forum, but action figures are toys for kids, right?
No, not really. Cheap generic/budget stuff? Maybe.. But proper quality brands with full pose-ability/articulation and all that aren't really the sort of thing you'd get to play with like a toy, more so pose for display. Brands like Sideshow for example are very very high quality, large scale action figures that cost £200+, they're more collectable figures than "toys".
I haven't received them yet, but I have a number of Firguarts and Revoltech stuff which are this same quality overall probably. These really aren't toys either. Just poseable collectables. When I was younger I would have killed for some mass produced GI Joe style 40k Space Marines. Now that I'm older I'll settle for these. I may even pew pew some when no ones looking. But We all have our own tastes and interests. They aren't going to appeal to everyone, but those of us that also collect the above mentioned brands are absolutely ecstatic over these. I just wish GW would give us more information on when they will be available to order off their site and if they'll occasionaly have them back in stock. 25% - 50% markup on 3rd party sites is going to be expensive and would force me to only collect the few I truly have interest in and not just want because they're cool. Chaos Terminators for example are the only ones I truly want so far but I ordered wave 1 and waiting to order wave 2 if GW posts them.
Crimson wrote: Do people actually want to buy these? I could see myself buying a larger scale marine to paint if it had more detail and more realistic proportions (gun scale etc) but these are just upscaled miniatures with basically no extra detail added. So what's the point?
You know these are 40k figures, right?
Anyways, I can see putting together a giant sized Kill Team game.
Got one of the incursors from Ebay today and yeah its basically an upscaled and articulated GW figure model but thats not a bad thing. My initial impression is Joytoy has a hit on their hands with these figures and yes I ordered the Chaos marines from BBTS and already have the standard primaris marines on pre-oder.
Might come in handy for some.Price for the Chaos Lord is £45.
Is that site Legit? Certainly looks to have counterfeit LEGO for sale, so would be a little concerned about what you'd actually get, if you got anything at all.
Might come in handy for some.Price for the Chaos Lord is £45.
Is that site Legit? Certainly looks to have counterfeit LEGO for sale, so would be a little concerned about what you'd actually get, if you got anything at all.
That is JoyToy's official webstore. They're a Chinese company and all that entails.
From the About Us:
JOYTOY WORLD is an online store founded in 2021, located in China. We're JOYTOY's official retailer and mainly sold JOYTOY products and other cool toys all over the world.
Might come in handy for some.Price for the Chaos Lord is £45.
Is that site Legit? Certainly looks to have counterfeit LEGO for sale, so would be a little concerned about what you'd actually get, if you got anything at all.
That is JoyToy's official webstore. They're a Chinese company and all that entails.
From the About Us:
JOYTOY WORLD is an online store founded in 2021, located in China. We're JOYTOY's official retailer and mainly sold JOYTOY products and other cool toys all over the world.
That's surprising. Seems somewhat ironic that GW have a tie up with a company selling counterfeit stuff, all things considered!
I've ordered from BBTS and know they are reputable and treat packaging with care (unlike amazon/randos on ebay). But it's over a $100 difference so its worth checking into a bit. I want the full warband. All 6 from BBTS are $455. flyima is $319 with a 15% off pre-order discount code from their 'spin the wheel' popup. Not to mention cheaper shipping and taxes.
I did email BBTS if they were going to do a package deal and they responded that that don't know but it is a possibility. Considering they haven't put the Space Wolves up yet I'm biding my time.
I've ordered from BBTS and know they are reputable and treat packaging with care (unlike amazon/randos on ebay). But it's over a $100 difference so its worth checking into a bit. I want the full warband. All 6 from BBTS are $455. flyima is $319 with a 15% off pre-order discount code from their 'spin the wheel' popup. Not to mention cheaper shipping and taxes.
I did email BBTS if they were going to do a package deal and they responded that that don't know but it is a possibility. Considering they haven't put the Space Wolves up yet I'm biding my time.
Not interested in the Wolves but if they did all the chaos in a package for cheaper than buying separate id do that but I didn't want to miss out. The first 2 sets of Incursors and Incessors (spelling) I missed out on so ill pre-order on BBTS and if I find them elsewhere for cheaper ill buy there and cancel with BBTS because trust me these are gonna sell.
These actually look really rad, definitely a lot better than the lacklustre looking MacFarlane ones. Hoping they make Tempestus Scions/Kasrkin or an Ork unit at some point, I'd totally pick one up.
Unless it falsely claims to be "LEGO" on the box, using copies of the official Lego logos and marks, it is absolutely not "counterfeit".
From a legal standpoint, Legos are effectively no different than the nuts and bolts (or other standardized plumbing, electrical or other hardware fittings) that you would find at a hardware store. You pay more for official Lego product, because of the Lego name and history, but the patent on the block and stud/socket design expired many decades ago, so the bricks themselves are currently public domain. As a result, any company can legally produce compatible or identical items, subject to the inherent physical dimensions of the thing. There are several legitimate Chinese companies making compatible blocks of equal (or greater) quality and precision, sold across Asia at prices that are far more affordable.
This is why Lego has gone really deep into "weird" (non-rectangular) bricks (which enjoy some limited protection) and licensing, as it's harder for other companies to buy licenses from Disney, Marvel, Harry Potter, etc. Those licenses are expensive, and jack the price up to create a price premium that prevents competition in the US and Europe, also allowing Lego to position themselves as a premium / semi-luxury product. As for the kits, most of that is a recipe to make a thing. The functional, mechanical Instructions of how to assemble an object by push-fit aren't IP any more than a generic recipe to make apple pie. It's entirely why Lego basically stopped building things with the basic rectangular bricks of 40+ years ago.
Finally, as a WTO member, China does have IP protection. They produce a not inconsiderable amount of domestic IP, such as Genshin Impact, that drives a not inconsiderable amount of money. Lego chooses not to sue them for the same reason GW no longer sues third parties making compatible products: the risk of a well-argued defeat could be very damaging to what little IP they still have. The only real legal challenge would be if the licensors (eg. Disney, Marvel, Harry Potter) brought suit against unlicensed products using specific names and likenesses, but that's different from counterfeiting. In this case, the licensors could win, and those companies would change to selling 'princess', 'superhero', and 'wizard' kits. The problem being that many of the products aren't exact matches to the source material, and it's entirely legal to use names of things, which is why you can sell a replacement hood for a 1965 Mustang or 1969 Camaro SS. As with Lego, licensors suing unlicensed manufacturers opens the risk to a loss, which would devalue the license itself. Because China is a WTO member, such losses could have global impacts. Therefore, because these items basically only circulate within Asia and Lego has the premium branding and license, everyone just leaves well enough alone, rather than risking a loss that craters the entire thing around the world.
tl;dr, there are a plethora of unlicensed Lego-compatible kits in China, rather than counterfeit not-Lego kits claiming to be "Lego".
Unless it falsely claims to be "LEGO" on the box, using copies of the official Lego logos and marks, it is absolutely not "counterfeit".
From a legal standpoint, Legos are effectively no different than the nuts and bolts (or other standardized plumbing, electrical or other hardware fittings) that you would find at a hardware store. You pay more for official Lego product, because of the Lego name and history, but the patent on the block and stud/socket design expired many decades ago, so the bricks themselves are currently public domain. As a result, any company can legally produce compatible or identical items, subject to the inherent physical dimensions of the thing. There are several legitimate Chinese companies making compatible blocks of equal (or greater) quality and precision, sold across Asia at prices that are far more affordable.
This is why Lego has gone really deep into "weird" (non-rectangular) bricks (which enjoy some limited protection) and licensing, as it's harder for other companies to buy licenses from Disney, Marvel, Harry Potter, etc. Those licenses are expensive, and jack the price up to create a price premium that prevents competition in the US and Europe, also allowing Lego to position themselves as a premium / semi-luxury product. As for the kits, most of that is a recipe to make a thing. The functional, mechanical Instructions of how to assemble an object by push-fit aren't IP any more than a generic recipe to make apple pie. It's entirely why Lego basically stopped building things with the basic rectangular bricks of 40+ years ago.
Finally, as a WTO member, China does have IP protection. They produce a not inconsiderable amount of domestic IP, such as Genshin Impact, that drives a not inconsiderable amount of money. Lego chooses not to sue them for the same reason GW no longer sues third parties making compatible products: the risk of a well-argued defeat could be very damaging to what little IP they still have. The only real legal challenge would be if the licensors (eg. Disney, Marvel, Harry Potter) brought suit against unlicensed products using specific names and likenesses, but that's different from counterfeiting. In this case, the licensors could win, and those companies would change to selling 'princess', 'superhero', and 'wizard' kits. The problem being that many of the products aren't exact matches to the source material, and it's entirely legal to use names of things, which is why you can sell a replacement hood for a 1965 Mustang or 1969 Camaro SS. As with Lego, licensors suing unlicensed manufacturers opens the risk to a loss, which would devalue the license itself. Because China is a WTO member, such losses could have global impacts. Therefore, because these items basically only circulate within Asia and Lego has the premium branding and license, everyone just leaves well enough alone, rather than risking a loss that craters the entire thing around the world.
tl;dr, there are a plethora of unlicensed Lego-compatible kits in China, rather than counterfeit not-Lego kits claiming to be "Lego".
The sets appear to be direct copies of Lego sets, including licensed properties (Star Wars being an obvious one), so I would assume there are IP issues there, both from the use of the designs from the licensee (names are changed, but still obviously vehicles designs etc. from those licensees) and I would also assume the design of the sets themselves, the bricks themselves may be legal but I would assume that a straight up copy of how they are assembled would be covered by some copyright.
Tavis75 wrote: The sets appear to be direct copies of Lego sets, including licensed properties (Star Wars being an obvious one), so I would assume there are IP issues there, both from the use of the designs from the licensee (names are changed, but still obviously vehicles designs etc. from those licensees) and I would also assume the design of the sets themselves, the bricks themselves may be legal but I would assume that a straight up copy of how they are assembled would be covered by some copyright.
I basically covered all of that above:
* Selling "a direct copy of a Lego set" is like selling a bag of containing a particular mix of nuts and bolts of various sizes. There is nothing there.
* Selling something that sorta looks like a Star Wars X-Wing isn't an IP issue, because bricks can't reproduce the thing exactly due to the brick/plate/stud resolution being much lower. It's not an exact match of a Star Wars X-Wing design.
* Following a recipe that makes a thing isn't protected at all, because it's a mechanical process. The only copyright issue would be if they copied the Lego instructions exactly as-is, including unnecessary artistic storytelling / background elements. If the instructions are purely instructional, there is no copyright protection whatsoever.
In short, there is almost nothing that Lego or Star Wars can sue any of them over, because it's almost certain that none of them have actually broken any IP laws. The only potential bit is licensing, if they included any licensed IP (ie. official movie artwork, descriptions, stories, etc). If the artwork and instructions are pure vanilla, and the only usage is nominative ("Star Wars X-Wing"), then they have no actual case whatsoever.
Note that if these things actually were somehow protected, then kids trying to make a Star Wars X-Wing would be guilty of IP infringement. If someone modified the "official" X-wing design, they could also be sued for unauthorized, unlicensed derivative works. It produces some extremely perverse results that would make GW salivate, because they would be able to sue GW hobbyists for making unauthorized unlicensed derivative works. It would basically destroy the entire point of building toys, not that the current push for licensed kits with specific parts doesn't kinda do that already...
I had some on the table just the other day in fact!
Solid construction, robust articulation, nice paint jobs, in scale with other 1/18 figures (meaning they'll be BIG), decent optional parts including heads and weapons... if you're into collectible figures and 40k I'd say it's a pretty good match!
These are the ones I have and they are very good quality
Better than Bandai and McFarline
at 25-45 USD per figure they aren't that much more than some of the WH40 model figures and way more playable
I'm not so much into the CSM Termies but those Chaos Marines are old school and I want them. Sadly, my wife would likely divorce me if I spent ~AUD$450+ on a half-dozen plastic toys to just put on the shelf and look at.
Aspiring Champion wrote: I'm not so much into the CSM Termies but those Chaos Marines are old school and I want them. Sadly, my wife would likely divorce me if I spent ~AUD$450+ on a half-dozen plastic toys to just put on the shelf and look at.
Oh well, I'm glad they exist.
They are action figures. You can (and should) play with them just like the small GI Joes!
Better yet, buy the CSM Termies and someone for them to kill, and play a really large scale game of Kill Team!
I got the Reivers and the Captain but passed on the others. My jaw kinda dropped at the price of the Chaos Marines. The last wave they weren't that expensive.
I got the Reivers and the Captain but passed on the others. My jaw kinda dropped at the price of the Chaos Marines. The last wave they weren't that expensive.
The 3 pack is $4 more than three of the individual power armor Chaos.
I got the Reivers and the Captain but passed on the others. My jaw kinda dropped at the price of the Chaos Marines. The last wave they weren't that expensive.
The 3 pack is $4 more than three of the individual power armor Chaos.
