It's been far too long since Gamesworkshop have engaged with the community directly and it finally looks like they are once again!
By giving us the one thing we've been asking for years... Pay-Walled animated advertising content!


Does this appeal to you? Are you going to subscribe for the previously free content?

Depends on the price. I like what they will eventually have. Not sure it will be enough to be worthwhile for quite some time.

If they expect me to pay for it, it better be comparable in production values to other large entities. Otherwise why bother...

Could be cool, I'll see what it looks like when launched.

There is a lot more than this "previously free content" that looks to be available on the streaming service.

I have wanted movies and animated media set in the Warhammer universes for a long time. I have 0 problems paying for it.

How I do hope that the material will be difficult/impossible to obtain via some deus ex mechanica to not be available "elsewhere".

No, not likely to subscribe.
Or at least not for a good long time. I'll let them build up an inventory of complete movies & shows and then consider it.
Hell, I haven't signed up for Disney+ yet & that HAS stuff I want to watch....

No. I don't have a subscription to Disney+ specifically because it doesn't feel like there's enough content to justify a monthly subscription. Disney+ has like a hundred videos to watch. WH+ would need at minimum around 300 hours or so of content for me to consider subscribing.

Thbbbbbbt.

I'm excited for the *content*. I'm... willing to see what the service has to offer on launch, but I wasn't really looking for another monthly fee.

ccs wrote:
No, not likely to subscribe.
Or at least not for a good long time. I'll let them build up an inventory of complete movies & shows and then consider it.
Hell, I haven't signed up for Disney+ yet & that HAS stuff I want to watch....

They did mention that there would be other benefits to a WH+ sub, so I wonder what those are going to be. as it stands, yeah, I don't blame anyone who is concerned about the amount of content that is going to be available at launch. If there just isn't a whole lot, the price is going to be a massive purchasing motivator, and so will the value add of the additional benefits.

It'll be interesting to see.

Funnily enough that's one thing I haven't been asking for for years.... or even seconds...

Seabass wrote:

They did mention that there would be other benefits to a WH+ sub, so I wonder what those are going to be. as it stands, yeah, I don't blame anyone who is concerned about the amount of content that is going to be available at launch. If there just isn't a whole lot, the price is going to be a massive purchasing motivator, and so will the value add of the additional benefits.

It'll be interesting to see.

If it's like D&D Beyond where you get access to all the source books while you're subscribed AND you get the 40k App thrown in with all the features and armies. Then it could be worth it depending on the asking price.

No, I don't subscribe to anything, and I don't think that for me the material would warrent changing that.

I only care about the hobby: painting the miniatures and playing with them. I have zero interest in books, comics, series, etc... related to Warhammer, so it's an auto pass for me.

Nope, I'm not interested in the animations beyond watching maybe a couple of minutes for a small teaser. If, like mentioned above, they go the D&D Beyond route, I'll probably still not be interested as I much prefer a book where I can easily find things than flipping between pages on a phone.

No. The quality on display was...not there, the stories will be the usual "Marines go brrr and win", and I have no interest in any additional "perks"- I don't watch GW tutorials, I find GW twitch contents beyond abysmal and I have little interest in BL. I'm sure plenty will though.

Depends. I don't watch Marine content even when it's free, but if there were Inquisitor/Dark Heresy, and Xenos type stuff, I'd take a shuft.

Unless it's ridiculously cheap, I don't see myself paying for such a limited amount of content.

If it looks like that D&D beyond stuff people describe further up... maybe.

 harlokin wrote:
Depends. I don't watch Marine content even when it's free, but if there were Inquisitor/Dark Heresy, and Xenos type stuff, I'd take a shuft.

Looking at what's been revealed of the launch line-up so far, perhaps half will have Marines:

Hammer and Bolter
An anthology of animated stories, featuring characters and factions from across the worlds of Warhammer, Hammer and Bolter has something for every Warhammer fan.

Angels of Death
Battered by warp storms, a small band of Blood Angels find safe harbour above an isolated world. All is not as it seems though, and soon the scions of Sanguinius have fresh foes to contend with.

The Exodite
In the midst of a brutal conflict, a T’au Stealth Team must undertake a critical mission against the armies of the Imperium. But the T’au aren’t the only force vying for dominion here, and powers far older and more mysterious are at play…

Iron Within
When beleaguered Astra Militarum forces face annihilation, they must turn to salvation from a most unlikely source. Is the enemy of your enemy really your friend?

Altar of Wrath
After a grinding war of attrition, the last Black Templars of a Crusade seek to strike a final, decisive blow against the Necrons to end the battle for good.

Blacktalon
A notorious hunter is unleashed to slay Sigmar’s most grievous foes – but the secrets of Neave Blacktalon’s past follow wherever she treads, even beyond death.

Interrogator
This tale of crime and heresy in an Imperial hive city explores the tragedy and horror that haunts the servants of the Inquisition. Interrogator blurs the lines between right and wrong… can the ends ever justify the means?

Broken Lance
Towering war machines stride the battlefield in a drama that sees the survivors of a once-noble house of Imperial Knights facing the sins of their predecessors.

Pariah Nexus
Explore silence and death in the darkest corners of the galaxy. As the Indomitus Crusade reaches the Pariah Nexus, strength and faith will be tested to the limit.

High Lords
Politics and treachery abound in the Imperial Palace. For ten thousand years, the High Lords have governed the Imperium in the Emperor’s stead. Such power brings corruption, intrigue, and danger to all who would grasp it.

Astartes II
Witness the forces of the Space Marines in unrelenting action as they take the fight to the enemies of Mankind.

OK that's a marginally more interesting list... but... you want money for 11 animations....? I'll still pass.

stroller wrote:
OK that's a marginally more interesting list... but... you want money for 11 animations....? I'll still pass.

There's 11 new things there. I'm guessing it'll also include the fan-stuff GW has 'acquired' (SODAZ, Astartes, etc.) plus GW does have some existing stuff - Ultramarines and the movies made for Games Day, etc. It's still not much, but we don't know the cost or what else is included (exclusive minis have been mentioned).

We don't know the exact cost, but with GW I think we can be sure that it is going to high.

The only 40K related animations I've enjoyed are Emperor's Text To Speech Device and Helsreach. Everything else has been rubbish in my opinion. I hope Angels Of Death will turn out to be at least somewhat comparable in quality to Helsreach.

But hyped about it? Not really my thing to be hyped about 40K lore. I'm mostly in it for the miniatures at the end of the day.

It makes no sense at all to hide supposedly good and attractive content behind a paywall in a proprietary app. You should want to make it for everyone to see, to attract new customers.
This is just self-referential, the only people who are going to see it are those who already know about the hobby and are willing to splash money for it.

Watch it flop so hard that they'll pull the plug 6 months later.

Probably no.

Depends on the price point and extras. GW has a significant amount of digital content in the form of books/apps. If one reasonable price got me access to everything, I’d probably spring for it. Don’t think that’s going to happen, but who knows.

Have any price pints been announced? I’m very skeptics about the quality of the content that comes out and it will be a shame if you have to love 40K to enjoy the content.

There potential here for some great space opera so let’s remain optimistic.

However I have a feeling that we will start to see model releases delayed as they are co-termed to fit corresponding codex, novel and movie/series. And model focus will now become linked to the protagonist of the next release.

I feel like a better option for GW would have been to sign a deal with Netflix or someone like that to produce video content for the GW games.

mrFickle wrote:
Have any price pints been announced?

No. More details are due on 23rd June.

And I just checked Warhammer community and there will limited models release inside WH+.

“Animations are just the start. There’s a whole heap of stuff coming, from more exclusive content to special-access areas, and dedicated offers and rewards. There might even be some exclusive miniatures in the offing…”

beast_gts wrote:

 harlokin wrote:
Depends. I don't watch Marine content even when it's free, but if there were Inquisitor/Dark Heresy, and Xenos type stuff, I'd take a shuft.

Looking at what's been revealed of the launch line-up so far, perhaps half will have Marines:

Thanks for the list mate.

Price point, length of animations, other content available on platform. Right now, I play for three streaming services and have more content that I or my family can watch. GW needs to offer a lot more than a dozen animations to get me to subscribe.

I'm excited to watch warhammer content. I'll probably use it like any subscription service. I'll sign up, watch what I want to watch and then unsubcribe until there is something else I want to see.

None of the options - depends on the price and contents.

The thing is, I'd normally be excited for something like this, but I suspect GW will greatly overestimate what this is worth.

The WH animations I've seen so far from some of the content creators they've snatched up have been "really good for amateur produced content". Once you flip the switch to professional and start charging money, though. . . my expectations change.

I do have a realistic expectation regarding this. I know focused content presented (presumably) without ads to a relatively narrow audience will cost more per the amount of content than Netflix or Hulu. There's just no way that it can't.

The real question is simply where they price it, and I suspect that whatever that price is will be too much.

I do hope I'm wrong though, so we'll see!

Doesn't seem like enough content to justify me paying for it, and the wife certainly won't think its worth it either. So not terribly excited.

If its like $1 a month, maybe, but I really can't see it being worth more, for a dozen short animations on an undefined schedule.

Overall, meh; might have bought like a season pass to one or two if they just released them that way - but only once the whole thing was complete.

It's a digital product associated with GW, it'll be trash for some time to come, and I won't be paying them to fix it.

IF they do end with any content worth watching, I'm sure it will be available some other way than whatever terrible DRM viewer they try to push it through.

I'm disappointed that they aren't releasing on mainstream streaming services, and desperately hope that when Eisenhorn comes along it's on Netflix, or Prime, and not this.

I would have said there would have been far, far more benefit from selling the series to Netflix and the like and then reaching a massive audience/functioning as advertising.
Unless the stuff isn't up to standard?

Or have I got completely the wrong end of the stick about what it is supposed to be?

 Pacific wrote:
desperately hope that when Eisenhorn comes along it's on Netflix, or Prime

The rumour is HBO.

Very excited!

beast_gts wrote:

 Pacific wrote:
desperately hope that when Eisenhorn comes along it's on Netflix, or Prime

The rumour is HBO.

Considering they named it Warhammer+ just like Disney+ and that they have a working relationship with Marvel I'm betting Disney+. I'm fairly sure you can watch Pretty Woman on Disney+ so the more mature content isn't impossible.

A GW app? Given their flawless track record in this area, anyone who isn't signed up for the paid beta err I mean launch is going to miss out big time!

I am not hype. Curious though. Mostly curious about Astartes II.

yukishiro1 wrote:
A GW app? Given their flawless track record in this area, anyone who isn't signed up for the paid beta err I mean launch is going to miss out big time!

It's not GW's app -

This brand new service is heading your way in July, and you’ll be able to start watching all these shows, and more, on your favourite device – from your mobile or tablet to your 4K TV – thanks to a bespoke app created by a big name in VOD content.

 Aenar wrote:
It makes no sense at all to hide supposedly good and attractive content behind a paywall in a proprietary app. You should want to make it for everyone to see, to attract new customers.
This is just self-referential, the only people who are going to see it are those who already know about the hobby and are willing to splash money for it.

Watch it flop so hard that they'll pull the plug 6 months later.

This type of content costs a lot of money to create, it was never going to be free - the question was always "which paid streaming service would it have shown up on?", and the answer seems to be "our own" - which is a valid answer that myself and others speculated 1-2 years ago. From a customer standpoint its perhaps less than ideal but it makes a lot of sense from a business standpoint given the way the film/television/streaming industry works.

When it comes to original content, the Netflixes and HBOs and Disneys and Warner Bros of the world want the freedom to flood the market with merch and licensed products that they can make money on hand over fist. I.E. - they would license the rights from GW, pay the production costs for the programming, host and stream it, and then recoup their investment by licensing out rights for toys, clothes, board games, video games, etc. GW was never going to sign away the merchandising rights for its own products like that, not when GW is already directly issuing licenses for merch and the like directly. That basically means launching their own streaming service is the only viable option to get this content paid for and developed, because the alternative would be GW paying the production costs and then selling the streaming rights to Netflix/Amazon Prime, etc. but streaming rights don't really earn all that much, certainly not enough to recoup the production costs on their own. In short GW would be losing money streaming via Netflix, etc. unless that programming managed to drive more customers to GWs existing products, whereas on their own platform they can be assured of recouping the costs in full and funding further content without relying on additional plastic sales to make that possible.

This is the best way forward for GW, its extremely low risk and if it fails it doesn't really hurt GW financially.

I would have said there would have been far, far more benefit from selling the series to Netflix and the like and then reaching a massive audience/functioning as advertising.
Unless the stuff isn't up to standard?

Never going to happen. Netflix (or HBO or whomever) need to be able to profit from buying the rights to the show. Unless its the sort of property which is going to drive a lot of new users to a platform (which this isn't - the venn diagram of Warhammer fans and Netflix/HBO/Disney + subscribers, etc. might as well be a circle) that means merchandising rights, something that GW wouldn't give up if it could, and cannot give up because some of those rights (toys/games) overlap its core business and because its already licensed out plenty of rights which effectively already cuts Netflix/HBO, etc. out of the merchandising loop entirely (video games, clothing, etc.).


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beast_gts wrote:

yukishiro1 wrote:
A GW app? Given their flawless track record in this area, anyone who isn't signed up for the paid beta err I mean launch is going to miss out big time!

It's not GW's app -

This brand new service is heading your way in July, and you’ll be able to start watching all these shows, and more, on your favourite device – from your mobile or tablet to your 4K TV – thanks to a bespoke app created by a big name in VOD content.

Didn't notice that previously. Seems pretty likely that its a Disney+ partnership. Could be Apple TV + as well I suppose, but given that GW already has a known corporate relationship with Disney (by way of Marvel), that partnership seems more likely, and its quite likely that the Marvel comics partnership was part of the same negotiations and deal that resulted in the streaming contract.

 Mr Morden wrote:
None of the options - depends on the price and contents.

Pretty much this.

I’m a sucker for Exclusive Models, so the frequency of those and the overall price will be my main concerns.

If it’s say, £8 a month and quarterly Shiny New? Yeah I’d probably be ok regardless of the other perks.

beast_gts wrote:

yukishiro1 wrote:
A GW app? Given their flawless track record in this area, anyone who isn't signed up for the paid beta err I mean launch is going to miss out big time!

It's not GW's app -

This brand new service is heading your way in July, and you’ll be able to start watching all these shows, and more, on your favourite device – from your mobile or tablet to your 4K TV – thanks to a bespoke app created by a big name in VOD content.

Nothing is GW's app by that standard. They obviously hired some outside contractor to make their current "bespoke 40k app" too, and it sucks. Now this time they're claiming they hired somebody good instead of somebody terrible, and who knows, it could even be true...but you'd have to be pretty naive to take that at face value, especially when they don't actually drop the name.

It is entirely dependent on the price point, volume of content, nature of the content and what the other benefits are. At the moment we don't know much other than that the line up is quite diverse. If the animations are full TV style series and they bundle in things like access to the black library audio books, 40k app subscription, subscription access to all rules content along with updates etc. that might be interesting.

If it is just a load of fluff and tat I wouldn't normally be interested in to try and make an overpriced streaming service lacking in content look attractive then no... and that would be a shame because I'd love to see this succeed, but I suspect this is the most probably outcome at the moment. I'll watch the announcement on June 23rd with some interest though.

So with 11 titles, if episodes were weekly, you'd be looking at 7 hours of content if the 10 minute average cited for Blood Angels holds for all of them.

Interrogator is my top pick; if Pariah heavily features Inquisitor Draxus and Ephrael Stern, it's vying for the top spot; I think it will be slanted that way because there's another show in the line up that is Templars vs. Crons. Hammer and Bolter is important for the variety, but some episodes will be hit or miss.

I'm intrigued by Exodite, because I've long thought they may expand the Ynarri storyline and Aeldari culture as a whole by bringing in Exodites; this would also balance well against Orkish Beast Snaggas; support in the form of an animation feels right.

I could see an exclusive model for many of the animations.

I still don't have anywhere near enough information about this to really take a position on it, but I'm interested enough that I want to know more.

9% interest in the service with 150 respondents. Probably too small a sample size, but still... yikes.

But there wasn’t an option in the poll to wait and see what the offering is actually going to be. Of course people will be cautious given GWs prior digital offerings and with no actual understanding of what is going to be available.

You may as well just run a poll asking “Cake, or death?”.

Entirely laughable and obviously no.

Dakkites are a cynical bunch, if its 9% yes on dakka its an 80% subscription rate for the broader community.

chaos0xomega wrote:
Dakkites are a cynical bunch, if its 9% yes on dakka its an 80% subscription rate for the broader community.

Where did you get those numbers?

Absolutely not. I have to be given a really good fething deal to buy a subscription to something, and even with the talent they've grabbed for it I do not see WH+ being anywhere near a good deal.

Also, I feel like GW sort of tried this with those web artists they grabbed...I think it was around the start of 8th. The gal who did Eagle Ordinary, Turn Signals on a Land Raider, RuoyoArt, etc. Rhetorical question: how many of those artists are still doing webcomics for GW, how many of those comics lasted more than 12 episodes, and why isn't the answer to both questions "all of them"?

Because art is hard and you can't just keep churning out content all the time. Once they've got a gig doing their comic stuff for GW they might want to move on to somewhere else, I think one might have even gone on to do more with GW as an employee but I'm not 100% on that.

 JNAProductions wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
Dakkites are a cynical bunch, if its 9% yes on dakka its an 80% subscription rate for the broader community.

Where did you get those numbers?

I made it up? Its a joke.

 waefre_1 wrote:
Absolutely not. I have to be given a really good fething deal to buy a subscription to something, and even with the talent they've grabbed for it I do not see WH+ being anywhere near a good deal.

Also, I feel like GW sort of tried this with those web artists they grabbed...I think it was around the start of 8th. The gal who did Eagle Ordinary, Turn Signals on a Land Raider, RuoyoArt, etc. Rhetorical question: how many of those artists are still doing webcomics for GW, how many of those comics lasted more than 12 episodes, and why isn't the answer to both questions "all of them"?

My engagement with those webcomics was precisely 0 from the get-go. Actually, I read the first issue of the TSOALR reboot, for old times sake... and it just didn't feel right, so I didn't continue.

Same with the Regimental Standard tbh, im surprised its still kicking around.

I voted No, partially because I don't really like "pay to watch for limited time" services, I prefer to buy boxed sets of series I like. Partially because knowing GW it will be excessively priced for what it actually offers. I'm not interested in a service comprised of 50% bolter porn, 30% AoS I have literally 0 interest in and 20% content I might actually like.
Now obviously, as of right now we know next to nothing about this new service and it might surprise me, so while I would not paint myself as hopeful for anything good, I am curious as to what GW is aiming at this time. If it actually offers content I like at a reasonable price I might consider it.

Weekly cartoon product tie-ins and for a fee? Hasbro on steroids GW has become, or perhaps Disney with a legacy to ruin. Methinks their marketing director enjoys a bit too much of the old Bolivian boxing powder. Now, will they do a Star Wars or an MCU? I expect more of the former... they are halfway there already.

Cawl is a heretic. Restartes are marines with PR people.

chaos0xomega wrote:
Dakkites are a cynical bunch, if its 9% yes on dakka its an 80% subscription rate for the broader community.

Not really. Considering that few people here actually hate the universe (most hate the game or parts of it), and that reception of this announcement has been similar in other communities, it's safe to assume that people are just not interested.

 JNAProductions wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
Dakkites are a cynical bunch, if its 9% yes on dakka its an 80% subscription rate for the broader community.

Where did you get those numbers?

Probably how quickly muppets bought out the cursed city villains pack last weekend.

I currently subscribe to 3 streaming services - Disney+, Netflix and Amazon (though in Amazon's case it's more the Prime free delivery that brought me in). When I look at the value I get from those three at the prices I pay the GW service would have to be ridiculously cheap to draw me in.

With the main services there's a steady stream of new content and a huge back catalogue of stuff to watch too. Usually there are a couple of shows I'll watch with my wife and each of us will have a few shows we're watching ourselves, then there's the option to just throw on a random movie when we feel like it. Even then I've thought about cancelling some of those subscriptions more than once in the last year.

I'm trying to conceive of a business model that works for GW and the customer and I just can't see it unless it's part of a larger existing streaming service. There's no backlog of content to watch and what I've seen of their offerings so far is mostly fine but not exactly wowing me. I'm just trying to think what this service looks like on day 1. Let's say half of the 11 projects they announced are available on day 1. That's 5-6 animated shows, apparently all fairly short episode lengths. Let's be generous and say there are 6 shows and only 1 is not very good. That leaves 5 shows with around 60-80 minutes of content each. So I can binge them. Then what? How long before the next show is released? Even if the episodes are 25 minutes long that's still a bunch of content you can get through in a couple of weeks. I'm just struggling to see how GW could make the value proposition sufficiently attractive here.

Just watched the trailer on Warhammer community and as a big space ship cruises the text on the screen states

“In the not-so far future”

The 41st millennium?????? This is exactly the kind of problem I’m going to have with this content. It’s high concept space opera, the fact that it’s mind blowingly far into the future is part of the scene setting.

I feel like the content is going to be made by people that don’t understand the universe like the fan base do and there will be a lot of new ideas which GW aren’t QAing.

And the main question, is the content in these animations going to be canon????

mrFickle wrote:
Just watched the trailer on Warhammer community and as a big space ship cruises the text on the screen states

“In the not-so far future”

The 41st millennium?????? This is exactly the kind of problem I’m going to have with this content. It’s high concept space opera, the fact that it’s mind blowingly far into the future is part of the scene setting.

I feel like the content is going to be made by people that don’t understand the universe like the fan base do and there will be a lot of new ideas which GW aren’t QAing.

And the main question, is the content in these animations going to be canon????

I think you’ve misunderstood that. They mean that Warhammer + is coming in “the not-so far future.”

As someone who is already subscribed to Netflix, Amazon Prime, and Disney+ I can't say I am excited about adding another service to the roster. At least with the mentioned 3 I have a wide library of titles whereas Warhammer+ is very limited.

I basically imagine I'd wait for a show or three to finish before subscribing to binge watch and then cancel the subscription immediately until the next time I think WH+ is binge worthy.

I don't understand why anyone would sub three VOD services simultaneously. For me its always one month of this, one month of that. You can binge watch an awful lot in 30 days, if I had em all on all the time, most of my sub time would be a wasted..

If someone's too lazy to cancel/resub VODs every now and then, they deserve to be milked. First World probs and all that

 General Kroll wrote:

mrFickle wrote:
Just watched the trailer on Warhammer community and as a big space ship cruises the text on the screen states

“In the not-so far future”

The 41st millennium?????? This is exactly the kind of problem I’m going to have with this content. It’s high concept space opera, the fact that it’s mind blowingly far into the future is part of the scene setting.

I feel like the content is going to be made by people that don’t understand the universe like the fan base do and there will be a lot of new ideas which GW aren’t QAing.

And the main question, is the content in these animations going to be canon????

I think you’ve misunderstood that. They mean that Warhammer + is coming in “the not-so far future.”

Oh..... statement retracted

Not at all. I can hear it, this open ploy for monthly money coming on the air tonight, oh lord, I've been waiting for this greedy play for a sub fee from king greed GW for all of my life, oh lord.

 tauist wrote:
I don't understand why anyone would sub three VOD services simultaneously. For me its always one month of this, one month of that. You can binge watch an awful lot in 30 days, if I had em all on all the time, most of my sub time would be a wasted..

If someone's too lazy to cancel/resub VODs every now and then, they deserve to be milked. First World probs and all that

Sounds like you live alone.

 tauist wrote:
I don't understand why anyone would sub three VOD services simultaneously. For me its always one month of this, one month of that. You can binge watch an awful lot in 30 days, if I had em all on all the time, most of my sub time would be a wasted..

If someone's too lazy to cancel/resub VODs every now and then, they deserve to be milked. First World probs and all that

Kids watch a mix of Disney and Netflix. We watch Netflix and a little bit of Disney. It's very simple really.

For their price, it’s cheaper than buying DVDs or BluRay, and each offers different things.

Sure I can see merit in chopping and changing frequently, especially for those one a tighter budget than this particular idiot. But for me, it’s just too much faffing.

I have however recently ditched Netflix, as I rarely ever watched it.

 tauist wrote:
I don't understand why anyone would sub three VOD services simultaneously. For me its always one month of this, one month of that. You can binge watch an awful lot in 30 days, if I had em all on all the time, most of my sub time would be a wasted..

If someone's too lazy to cancel/resub VODs every now and then, they deserve to be milked. First World probs and all that

I have Sky, Netflix and Amazon - the latter for my parents as well but i like to be able to watch whatever i want when i want and its a negliable amount of money (to me) for the conveience of doing so.

If Warhammer has stuff I want - I'll prob get it - depending on the price....and keep it on or not depending on the content.

My wife and I have amazon, netflix, and our current internet sub gives us Disney+ bundled with Hulu and HBONow or whatever it's called.

The internet with streaming has replaced cable! Welcome to the new boss, same as the old boss...

I have seen maybe two previews that intrigued me. It's not enough to get me excited for this. Were it a NORMAL streaming service, I could see getting it for a month and then cancelling (like what a lot of people do for Disney+ in order to watch the Mandalorian), but this is a GW service.

Take the example of the APP - GW essentially said "You know how most of you won't pay more than a dollar or two at most for a feature complete, properly functioning app? Well, we're changing the game! Prepare for the paradigm shift! We're providing you with an incomplete, partially functioning piece of software for $5.00 a month! BOOM!"

At the time, I was only paying slightly more for Amazon Prime. lol Of course that was an utter disaster, but they're slow learners, so I'm fully prepared for this streaming nonsense to cost a laughable amount of money and not work well for at least the first year. I'm setting the over-under at $50 a month at release. Eventually going down to $25 before they cave on the whole thing all together.

Would LOVE to be wrong here, but history says I'm not. Guess we'll see.

I suspect we'll see things like batreps, painting guides, lore videos and all sorts YouTube type of content start to crop up on there.
People pay out an awful lot of money via patreon, subscriptions etc and I'm sure gw are trying to get a big slice of that action. Guest columns on the community website from YouTube channels suggests relationships are being formed in readiness.

 kingheff wrote:
I suspect we'll see things like batreps, painting guides, lore videos and all sorts YouTube type of content start to crop up on there.
People pay out an awful lot of money via patreon, subscriptions etc and I'm sure gw are trying to get a big slice of that action. Guest columns on the community website from YouTube channels suggests relationships are being formed in readiness.

I could actually imagine GW try to pull some sort of MWG vault membership on this.

 kingheff wrote:
I suspect we'll see things like batreps....

God can you imagine GWs in-house batreps? The current partners are sycophantic enough, I can only imagine the levels of cringe GW would produce.

I’ll do the same thing I do for most subscription services. Sub when they have something interesting, binge watch it, unsub when it’s done. As long as it isn’t ridiculously overpriced I’ll check it out.

Nope. Just not interested.

I don't know, because we don't even have full knowledge of what it is, let alone the price.

I read these type of threads, and wonder what can GW do too make the super nerds happy? Nothing apparently,,like so what it’s a paid service. Tons of people are amped up for this in my neck of the woods. Like they have hired some of the best you tubers that have been making 40K fan fiction, witch people on here were in love with. But GW does the best thing and hires them, and still you super nerds keep complaining. I hope this service is successful so I can get top quality 40K and AOS animation. For those that won’t, we get it you can feel good about it,, but stop complaining and move on.

Glad these animators are getting paid...Then again - I am not going to Sub to something I can get free somewhere else.

GW seems to really want it's staff on-site and working from Nottingham, even in an era of Covid. Commissioned artists and authors might be an exception since they can work entirely independently but for things like animation they might want staff on hand.

I'd be surprised if the guys (and gals?) given the chance to work with GW don't do one job, then get told they'll (maybe) be in touch in the future, but promptly don't hear squat... too bad they already signed on the dotted line to say they can't talk about their GW-aligned stuff anymore and Games Workshop got the added PR of not just C&Ding their videos but giving them a job for thirty seconds.

Whatever happened to the Eagle Ordinary and Vhane Glorious stuff anyway?

dogboy311 wrote:
I read these type of threads, and wonder what can GW do too make the super nerds happy? Nothing apparently,,like so what it’s a paid service. Tons of people are amped up for this in my neck of the woods. Like they have hired some of the best you tubers that have been making 40K fan fiction, witch people on here were in love with. But GW does the best thing and hires them, and still you super nerds keep complaining. I hope this service is successful so I can get top quality 40K and AOS animation. For those that won’t, we get it you can feel good about it,, but stop complaining and move on.

That's hugely disingenuous IMO. The complaints here seem to be mostly about the amount of content, the cost and the possibility of the service being technically poor, with some people commenting on the quality of the animation that's been shown so far. I think all those are valid complaints. If GW were to address those it would go some way to at least giving people a fuller picture of the service and stop a lot of the negative speculation. Granted, it might then turn into negativity over the facts if the price turns out to be too high. The recent launch of the 40k app has caused concern that GW doesn't seem to know how to manage a complex digital project with outside partners. They've announced 11 shows so far and the episode length mentioned seems very short so concerns about the amount of content, both in terms of the number of shows and the total length of the entire offering, also seem valid if the service is going to be a monthly subscription. You say "stop complaining and move on" but it seems like the overwhelming response to this service here is negative and trying to shut down discussion of that is weird given the purpose of the board.

The only place I've seen any large number of vaguely positive responses to this is on the GW FB page. Even there a lot of people are similarly negative and the stock response of "wait until the full announcement on the 23rd of June" is as infuriating as it is unhelpful. If GW had actually just waited until then to announce the whole thing they could probably have headed off a month of complaints and speculation. But they didn't. It was their choice to make the announcement they did with the information they provided. It seems a little churlish to blame their target audience for reacting based on the information the company themselves provided.

The creator of Eagle Ordinary got to be head of department didn't they? But they moved on after a year or two.

As for GW batreps, that would be interesting.
I believe they'd done games like that in the past, but backed off because they consistently got rules wrong and obviously thought that wasn't a good look for the writers of the games!

 kirotheavenger wrote:
The creator of Eagle Ordinary got to be head of department didn't they? But they moved on after a year or two.

As for GW batreps, that would be interesting.
I believe they'd done games like that in the past, but backed off because they consistently got rules wrong and obviously thought that wasn't a good look for the writers of the games!

The big problem with GW batreps has always been the armies. The models they have access to are the ones painted for the Codices so they never have what most people would consider a decent, coherent army. It's always a mish-mash of squads and models with no synergy. Things like Devastators with 4 different heavy weapons, or Tau Battlesuits with one of everything just make for bad games IMO. Back when I was still subscribed to WD I remember one of the best battle reports they ever did was a WHFB report between Dark Elves and High Elves by two tournament players. The armies felt more coherent, the level of play was much higher and the discussion of the game was all the better for it. The other good batreps I remember were all the weird ones like Ork's Drift, the massive tank battle and so on. The ones that were just regular games of 40k, WH etc were actually not that great.

The biggest problem GW would have if they tried to do batreps on Warhmmer+ is there are better channels out there dedicated to that providing the content for free. I can't see these channels joining GW's streaming service because it takes the control out of their hands. The same goes for painting tutorials. Sure, GW have a pretty solid set-up and format for their painting tutorials but so does Duncan Rhodes and his YT channel is free.

dogboy311 wrote:
I read these type of threads, and wonder what can GW do too make the super nerds happy? Nothing apparently,,like so what it’s a paid service. Tons of people are amped up for this in my neck of the woods. Like they have hired some of the best you tubers that have been making 40K fan fiction, witch people on here were in love with. But GW does the best thing and hires them, and still you super nerds keep complaining. I hope this service is successful so I can get top quality 40K and AOS animation. For those that won’t, we get it you can feel good about it,, but stop complaining and move on.

What can they do to make me happy ? Make an actual quality rules based game, lower mini costs and stop offering this stupid crap I didn't either ask for or want. Just because I play the game with my friends doesn't mean I live GW. They don't need to offer me a sub service to make this super nerd happy they could do actual quality stuff to do that but they won't as this is more lucrative for them and less effort intensive.

For those happy with this, we get, you will gobble it up with a grin, we get it stop fanboying and move on. See, that can go both ways. Disliking it is just as valid a response as thinking its going to be the best thing since being born.

Do you know what, despite my reservations about the quality, it’s going to be about £10 a month to be in line with the top end of streaming services, it’s not that much so I will definitely sign up for at least the first month to see what it’s like.

Slipspace wrote:

The biggest problem GW would have if they tried to do batreps on Warhmmer+ is there are better channels out there dedicated to that providing the content for free. I can't see these channels joining GW's streaming service because it takes the control out of their hands. The same goes for painting tutorials. Sure, GW have a pretty solid set-up and format for their painting tutorials but so does Duncan Rhodes and his YT channel is free.

I totally agree.

That doesn't mean it'll stop them. Battlescribe is free, very effective, and very well regarded in the community.
Yet GW still tried to sell an app that cost £4 a month and only promised an army builder, which when it arrived was still full of bugs.
"Other people do it better and cheaper" has never been an obstacle to GW before.

I can definitely see GW trying to pull a lot of their content into WH+. They want every penny to go to themselves. People subscribe to their Twitch? If they bring that content in house they'll get 100% of that subscription fee rather than whatever % Twitch gives them.

I am very doubtful they will put BL audios into it, beyond maybe a handful to entice people. They can charge much higher prices per-book on BL site than 5-10 pounds a month for the lot of it.

They could go with some kind of a token system like Audible, getting a token every month of the subscription and spend it on an audiobook/book of the user's choice.

That would be a good start and a way to sweeten the deal.

Removed - Rule #1 please

Funimation and CrunchyRoll have their own streaming. Funimation is $6 at its cheapest so GW can't be any more than that.

dogboy311 wrote:
I read these type of threads, and wonder what can GW do too make the super nerds happy? Nothing apparently,,like so what it’s a paid service. Tons of people are amped up for this in my neck of the woods. Like they have hired some of the best you tubers that have been making 40K fan fiction, witch people on here were in love with. But GW does the best thing and hires them, and still you super nerds keep complaining. I hope this service is successful so I can get top quality 40K and AOS animation. For those that won’t, we get it you can feel good about it,, but stop complaining and move on.

Like Slipspace said, that's pretty disingenuous. The people who are not excited have all listed either personal taste reasons (not caring for the type of previews they've seen) which is fair game, and/or listed really specific concerns based on GW's historical behavior. Which is also a pretty solid concern to have. The closest analogue we have so far is the app, which was an utter disaster at launch. Over priced and completely broken. Hard to get excited for a "tech" type of thing like streaming given GW's track record with 40k and this type of thing. That's pretty reasonable.

Threatening people into working with you isn't exactly the same as "hiring" them either, and frankly, calling people who have listed pretty legit concerns as "super nerds" seems way more counter-productive than any of the problems you complained about in your post.

I wish I could be excited. I HOPE it comes out and proves me wrong. I HOPE it comes out at a reasonable price (for the initial content I could see a trial price of $5.99, eventually going up to a more standard price like $10 once they hit a certain subscriber threshold). I HOPE the content is awesome, engaging, and they keep up with it. I HOPE the animators they essentially strong-armed into working for them are making proper money for their positions. I HOPE all this happens. I am not optimistic that it will based on prior history.

- Super Nerd

Funimation and CrunchyRoll have their own streaming. Funimation is $6 at its cheapest so GW can't be any more than that.

Similar was said prior to the AppPocolypse. I love your optimism though. Hopefully they take note of the market, rather than engaging in the typical navel-gazing they are often guilty of.

@dogboy311 -

So anyone who disagrees with you is a closet dwelling troll? I'm not sure how well that statement jives with "I'm an optimistic, glass half full kind of person?"

I mean yeah, if someone had come on here with the crazy "GW IS EVIL AND THIS IS A MONEY GRUBBING CONSPIRACY TO XYZ" like we see with the legit haters, then I'd be like "Oh yeah - closet dwelling troll." Haven't seen too much of that in this thread though.

I see some people who are excited and some who aren't. I'm not sure what's wrong with that? lol

Do you have anything constructive to add, Dogboy? Or are you just crapping on people for no reason?

For me, I'm a solid "No". I like 40k, but I'm not so invested that I'd pay money for animations and whatnot involving it. I do wish the content creators the best, but it's not my jam.

It would be cool if they battle reports of the battles at their tournaments and put that in the streaming service. Much like how covenant used to do it for XWing. They would need to heavily edit them because the speed of game between the two games is apples and oranges.

For me, I'm a solid "No". I like 40k, but I'm not so invested that I'd pay money for animations and whatnot involving it. I do wish the content creators the best, but it's not my jam.

I know a lot of people who I would have thought would be over the moon about this, but just aren't. I'm curious, in your case - do you read the novels or engage in any of the other "fluff" channels? I enjoy a lot of the books myself, but just can't get pumped for this just yet.

Tycho wrote:

For me, I'm a solid "No". I like 40k, but I'm not so invested that I'd pay money for animations and whatnot involving it. I do wish the content creators the best, but it's not my jam.

I know a lot of people who I would have thought would be over the moon about this, but just aren't. I'm curious, in your case - do you read the novels or engage in any of the other "fluff" channels? I enjoy a lot of the books myself, but just can't get pumped for this just yet.

Nope. I mostly learn about the setting via osmosis.

Nope. I mostly learn about the setting via osmosis.

I tried that once. Think it's why I never learned math ...

Tycho wrote:

For me, I'm a solid "No". I like 40k, but I'm not so invested that I'd pay money for animations and whatnot involving it. I do wish the content creators the best, but it's not my jam.

I know a lot of people who I would have thought would be over the moon about this, but just aren't. I'm curious, in your case - do you read the novels or engage in any of the other "fluff" channels? I enjoy a lot of the books myself, but just can't get pumped for this just yet.

Are you kidding? Astartes was an awesome clip of youtube videos. I loved it. Now I wont be seeing any more videos like that without paying for a GW subscription - which is going to be seriously lacking compared to other streaming services. Sure this has a lot of potential but I KNOW GW wont even come close to meeting that potential and it's not going to be worth it for an occasional video I used to get for free.

 JNAProductions wrote:

Tycho wrote:

For me, I'm a solid "No". I like 40k, but I'm not so invested that I'd pay money for animations and whatnot involving it. I do wish the content creators the best, but it's not my jam.

I know a lot of people who I would have thought would be over the moon about this, but just aren't. I'm curious, in your case - do you read the novels or engage in any of the other "fluff" channels? I enjoy a lot of the books myself, but just can't get pumped for this just yet.

Nope. I mostly learn about the setting via osmosis.

And now I'm imaging you sitting in a pile of books in bed every night, slowly absorbing them into yourself, becoming one with the lore in ways the rest of us could never dream of...

OT re: the app issues - I assume no one's heard who, specifically, is developing the app yet? I doubt the people they hired to do the 40k app would count as "a big name in VOD content".

Are you kidding? Astartes was an awesome clip of youtube videos. I loved it. Now I wont be seeing any more videos like that without paying for a GW subscription - which is going to be seriously lacking compared to other streaming services. Sure this has a lot of potential but I KNOW GW wont even come close to meeting that potential and it's not going to be worth it for an occasional video I used to get for free.

Kidding about which part? I'm not super pumped about it at all, but I know some people who are in the "GW has not and cannot do anything wrong" die-hard fanboy camp, and even they aren't excited. lol

My concern is that GW is going to use this as the leading edge of a wave of new C&Ds

"We have a battle rep on our streaming service, therefore all battle reps on youtube need to be taken down"

"We have a painting tutorial on our streming service, therefore all painting tutorials on youtube need to be taken down"

Etc.

Tycho wrote:

Are you kidding? Astartes was an awesome clip of youtube videos. I loved it. Now I wont be seeing any more videos like that without paying for a GW subscription - which is going to be seriously lacking compared to other streaming services. Sure this has a lot of potential but I KNOW GW wont even come close to meeting that potential and it's not going to be worth it for an occasional video I used to get for free.

Kidding about which part? I'm not super pumped about it at all, but I know some people who are in the "GW has not and cannot do anything wrong" die-hard fanboy camp, and even they aren't excited. lol

Well I am sure they were pretty happy with free Warhammer content too. It is only natural to be annoyed you have to pay for what used to be free.

 ScarletRose wrote:
My concern is that GW is going to use this as the leading edge of a wave of new C&Ds

"We have a battle rep on our streaming service, therefore all battle reps on youtube need to be taken down"

"We have a painting tutorial on our streming service, therefore all painting tutorials on youtube need to be taken down"

Etc.

Won't happen and neither of those would be a legitimate C&D even if you can make Youtube take anything down.

Hey kids, removed some offending posts and warnings have been issued. Stay on topic, remain polite, next person to ignore this gets a vacation.

Won't happen and neither of those would be a legitimate C&D even if you can make Youtube take anything down.

The legitimacy doesn't really matter in most cases. Size of your bank account is what matters. And YouTube doesn't have anything to do with it either. They don't even have to contact YouTube. It's pretty trivial for them to just reach out and say "Yeah no. You gotta stop doing this or else ...." to the individual channels. You know ... like they've already done. Several times ...

I agree they probably won't do this with Bat Reps as it puts them in a weird place for several different reasons, but I do worry about some of the lore channels. I could see some of those getting some attention in light of this. I hope not, but ....

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 ScarletRose wrote:
My concern is that GW is going to use this as the leading edge of a wave of new C&Ds

"We have a battle rep on our streaming service, therefore all battle reps on youtube need to be taken down"

"We have a painting tutorial on our streming service, therefore all painting tutorials on youtube need to be taken down"

Etc.

Won't happen and neither of those would be a legitimate C&D even if you can make Youtube take anything down.

From the company that thinks they own the concept of "space marine"? Yeah, no, these are as likely as anything and the abusive copyright claim system youtube has in place is going to allow it.

 ScarletRose wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 ScarletRose wrote:
My concern is that GW is going to use this as the leading edge of a wave of new C&Ds

"We have a battle rep on our streaming service, therefore all battle reps on youtube need to be taken down"

"We have a painting tutorial on our streming service, therefore all painting tutorials on youtube need to be taken down"

Etc.

Won't happen and neither of those would be a legitimate C&D even if you can make Youtube take anything down.

From the company that thinks they own the concept of "space marine"? Yeah, no, these are as likely as anything and the abusive copyright claim system youtube has in place is going to allow it.

Poppycock!

 ScarletRose wrote:
From the company that thinks they own the concept of "space marine"? Yeah, no, these are as likely as anything and the abusive copyright claim system youtube has in place is going to allow it.

Taking something down for the use of "Space Marine" is not the same as someone using a company's product in a video.

 ScarletRose wrote:
My concern is that GW is going to use this as the leading edge of a wave of new C&Ds

"We have a battle rep on our streaming service, therefore all battle reps on youtube need to be taken down"

"We have a painting tutorial on our streming service, therefore all painting tutorials on youtube need to be taken down"

Etc.

Such videos help sales as they are essentially free adverts for their products. If GW was to be that stupid then I'm sure FlashGitz would have another field day with them...

 Daedalus81 wrote:
Funimation and CrunchyRoll have their own streaming. Funimation is $6 at its cheapest so GW can't be any more than that.

Sounds like a challenge.

I know we are all mostly grongards here but a 9% positive engagement looks a bit on the light side... Id be sweating if I was whoever signed this off

I know we are all mostly grongards here but a 9% positive engagement looks a bit on the light side... Id be sweating if I was whoever signed this off

They should definitely have consulted with Dakka first. I think that's the root of most of their issues frankly. They need to start bringing us in on this stuff much earlier.

SamusDrake wrote:

 ScarletRose wrote:
My concern is that GW is going to use this as the leading edge of a wave of new C&Ds

"We have a battle rep on our streaming service, therefore all battle reps on youtube need to be taken down"

"We have a painting tutorial on our streming service, therefore all painting tutorials on youtube need to be taken down"

Etc.

Such videos help sales as they are essentially free adverts for their products. If GW was to be that stupid then I'm sure FlashGitz would have another field day with them...

Now, Flashgitz field days... that might be worth money!

 Argive wrote:
I know we are all mostly grongards here but a 9% positive engagement looks a bit on the light side... Id be sweating if I was whoever signed this off

GW making completely asinine ideas that most people are highly dubious of a reality ? Sounds like a day ending in Y to me boys.

While we are at it, let's increase the cost of flayed ones to 75$ USD, oh that is the good spot there.

 jeff white wrote:

SamusDrake wrote:

 ScarletRose wrote:
My concern is that GW is going to use this as the leading edge of a wave of new C&Ds

"We have a battle rep on our streaming service, therefore all battle reps on youtube need to be taken down"

"We have a painting tutorial on our streming service, therefore all painting tutorials on youtube need to be taken down"

Etc.

Such videos help sales as they are essentially free adverts for their products. If GW was to be that stupid then I'm sure FlashGitz would have another field day with them...

Now, Flashgitz field days... that might be worth money!

The sad part, i can imagine GW attempting to pull that one...

 Xenomancers wrote:

Tycho wrote:

Are you kidding? Astartes was an awesome clip of youtube videos. I loved it. Now I wont be seeing any more videos like that without paying for a GW subscription - which is going to be seriously lacking compared to other streaming services. Sure this has a lot of potential but I KNOW GW wont even come close to meeting that potential and it's not going to be worth it for an occasional video I used to get for free.

Kidding about which part? I'm not super pumped about it at all, but I know some people who are in the "GW has not and cannot do anything wrong" die-hard fanboy camp, and even they aren't excited. lol

Well I am sure they were pretty happy with free Warhammer content too. It is only natural to be annoyed you have to pay for what used to be free.

Hum. My personal issue is that the time that I can use to watch stuff that's definitely not suited for children is limited, and some of that time I will spend differently anyways.
So for example it took me almost two years to finish all the episodes of The Expanse which is probably rather tame compared to anything set in the 40k universe, but mature enough to cause nightmares to small kids.

For that reason I would totally pay similar money to a series available on amazon (~$25) to see a season of astartes or Eisenhorn, but paying a subscription for something only I would use in my family a few times a month is just not a good return of investment to me.

Of course, I would prefer them just streaming it on netflix or amazon prime, because then I would get it for "free" and they would still get their moneys

Tycho wrote:

I know we are all mostly grongards here but a 9% positive engagement looks a bit on the light side... Id be sweating if I was whoever signed this off

They should definitely have consulted with Dakka first. I think that's the root of most of their issues frankly. They need to start bringing us in on this stuff much earlier.

Imagine if they could even get an overall "it's good" consensus on Dakka. Not by listening to the users I mean, god no. But just in general. You'd officially have the best tabletop wargame of all time.

 jeff white wrote:


Now, Flashgitz field days... that might be worth money!

"Space Marine...Space Marines". Those guys were ahead of their time.

Maybe they'll hold merge Warhammer tv stuff into it.

ID be keen for a care bears but with orks.
Dont ask me how that would work. Just go with it.