Warhammer via email wrote:To celebrate our one millionth online customer we're adding this exclusive Primaris Sergeant Castus to single orders of more than £150* placed between 12:00pm (BST) on Friday the 24th of September 2021 and 11:59pm (BST) on the 28th of October 2021.
Stood triumphant atop a heap of defeated Necron foes – not unlike a Sergeant from a certain Warhammer 40,000 trailer – this exclusive miniature is not available by any other means, and will make a proud addition to any collection.
* Or equivalent local currency, terms and conditions apply
That's quite a big buy-in price for a fairly mediocre model.
I will order the Ltd Warhawk this weekend, but I can't say I'm too inclined to add on an extra £100 of stuff to get this. It might well be fairly rare in a few years, but I can't see it fetching big bucks given it's so generic.
Tempting, I am going to try and pick up the Ltd. Warhawk tomorrow, though not sure if there's £100 worth of extra webstore exclusive (or non-discounted elsewhere) stuff that I would want.
3 copies of Warhawk maybe, one for me, two for eBay
I think it’s a nice bonus if you were planning a spend anyway, and just need to up it a bit to qualify, or indeed just a nice little bonus on a qualifying spend you were gonna do regardless.
But yeah….someone spending £150 just to get this is a bit of a stretch.
I know I’m a sucker for exclusive, but still only went for it because a) hobby budget refreshed yesterday following payday b) I was wanting more Necromunda stuff anyway, in preparation for a long awaited Actual Campaign.
Any idea when the SoB vs Tau KT box will go on preorder? It's been estimated to cost somewhere between 100-150€ so that might qualify. But other than that, there's really no way I'll be spending that much on more GW stuff this month.
Not into Interecessors anyway, so not a big loss either way.
On one hand, i'm angered it's yet another Marine relase.
On the other hand, it's a Marine, so it's a model that'll hurt the least for anyone to miss out on, since they all look the same anyway
I'm also a sucker for exclusive models (having recently spent $100 just on that space marine heroes exclusive sorcerer, without the paint set he came in). But I *think* I'm drawing the line here
If it was $150 USD, I'd end up getting a combat patrol for my brother's birthday next month, or go ham on picking up other models. Heck, I could probably justify it if I could order models on different days, and still get the model if I spent enough within the month, but that's not how this works
Yeah, I can't justify that price. $100 USD, maybe. $150 even. But $200+ is too much at once.
But I guess scalpers will make a killing off it within a year.
Is it weird he has pouches on his metal hip flaps?
If they weren't drip-feeding the Stormcast release? I might have been able to do it. But we're still waiting on all the stuff I want(named dragon and Vigilors).
That is super cool and I would buy it in an instant at standard character prices. Having to forego my employee discounts at the flgs would mean I’d be paying over $80 for that one dude however, so big nope.
The Marine is a bit dull to be dropping 195€ on other stuff straight from GW.
tauist wrote: Any idea when the SoB vs Tau KT box will go on preorder? It's been estimated to cost somewhere between 100-150€ so that might qualify. But other than that, there's really no way I'll be spending that much on more GW stuff this month.
Yeah, if that released coincided with the promotion window and the box was stupidly underproduced, that wouldn't be the worst way to go about it.
Pretty cool looking model. Great if you're already planning a big purchase. I'll be passing on this fellow I think, as I don't hace plans to drop that much in one go.
Okay, the helmet version is damn perfect and outright hilarious.
A fool and his money is easily parted and if they want to release this as a normal £25 model...I'll do it. Seriously. That is hands down the best Space Marine model I have ever seen. One of the necrons is screaming "have mercy Sgt Castus!" while the other "No! He must be stopped at all costs!". All that is missing is a Sister of Battle and Inquistor Greyfax clinging to his legs, screaming "Save us!".
But seriously, why "free" with £150 orders? Along with removing free AoS warscrolls, nerf-banning Porphyrions, mobilising their legal team on anyone & everyones ass, Cursed City, overpriced Kill Team softbacks...does GW hate their paying customers or something?
Well, whilst I doubt it’ll cause a high number of folks to spend previously unplanned cash, I can’t see it actively dissuading anyone from spending previously planned cash?
It's nice for those who wanted to buy a considerable lot from the GW store anyway... so after a few years they can sell this model for at least the price of a standard kit .
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: Well, whilst I doubt it’ll cause a high number of folks to spend previously unplanned cash, I can’t see it actively dissuading anyone from spending previously planned cash?
If nothing else, it might persuade people to wait and stack up items for an order...which would be a Good Thing right now as GW's warehouse seems to be having issues here in the US.
Retailers are seemingly still getting product in a reasonable timeframe but man, four weeks for an in-stock air paint to ship is a Bit Much!
He'd make a great Deathwatch model, but at $240 buy in? He's basically costing $35 since you can easily get 15% off online on a regular basis.
If I was buying the Templar box (probably not in the window?), or maybe the sisters kill team box? Otherwise, not sure what's on my shopping list for access to such a model since I just bought Mortarion last week (at 20% off).
I would have considered this if I could get it at my local Warhammer store.
The last couple of orders I placed on the GW webstore took months to receive. In fact, I recently had an order show up that I had placed in July 2020. Yes, it took over one whole year for them to send me my stuff.
Needless to say, I am currently avoiding the webstore entirely. Maybe once the world isn't so fethed up by the pandemic I can start ordering again.
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: I was needing more Necromunda terrain anyway. And Ambots. And Jotunn Ogryns….
All of which I'd rather buy at a healthy discount, rather than the promise of a 'free' Marine, even if I think he is quite nice.
Wha-Mu-077 wrote: On one hand, i'm angered it's yet another Marine relase.
Imagine if it'd been the first new Tyranid release in 7 years?
I usually buy from Element, where my basket comes to £136.20, compared to £156.00 for my qualifying spend. So for me, on that discount, and forgoing Element’s crystals it works out pretty much the same.
Of course, once we move out of GBP prices, everything goes well wonky.
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: Of course, once we move out of GBP prices, everything goes well wonky.
GWOZ wants us to spend the equivalent of £222.
See I thought maybe I could pick up a Stompa from GW. I want to cut one to ribbons to use as Ork terrain, it's Direct Only so the best I can get elsewhere is a 5% discount, and shipping costs will eat most of that discount if I just purchase the Stompa on its own, plus GW would do free shipping, so overall it would work out well.
But the Stompa is AUD$165. GWOZ says I need to spend FOUR-HUNDRED-AND-TWENTY DOLLERY-DOOS for their "free" Marine.
See my sig, join up. Just….remember to answer the Admin Questions, because a worrying number of people think not answering them in the key to entry!
But as I said, I cannot guarantee availability of this particular model. It’s a hefty barrier price, like the Store Opening Terminator Chaplain. But, if you don’t ask, you definitely don’t get!
H.B.M.C. wrote: Imagine if it'd been the first new Tyranid release in 7 years?
lmao, everyone currently shouting about it being another marine would instead be complaining that Tyranid players had to spend £150 to get their first new model in ages
Personally I wouldn't buy either at this price, but at least it's a better offer than those collectible coins
I have a theory that all limited models are Marines because they're so blatantly easy to make, just get the same CAD file as 90% Marines, give them a premade Bolter or a premade Chainsword or whatever, then you just pose them and voila!
Let's see: taking into account you can buy at 15% off easily in many stores, the "free" mini would amount to... 22,5 pounds.
That's why this is best when you buy webstore items you don't get discount. But for me now nothing there atm at sufficient amount that interests(even with finland getting one at 100e it seems)
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: See my sig, join up. Just….remember to answer the Admin Questions, because a worrying number of people think not answering them in the key to entry!
But as I said, I cannot guarantee availability of this particular model. It’s a hefty barrier price, like the Store Opening Terminator Chaplain. But, if you don’t ask, you definitely don’t get!
There’s a thread in the group for it already.
Ah, I'm not on facebook, I came off a few years ago and really don't want to go back. if you could PM me anything I need to do it would be great, it not, really don't worry about it.
We’re FB only. I did discuss it with the Mods, but it’s not suited to Dakka. Some Loot Runs see me spending literally thousands of pounds of other people’s money, so I very much understand it being a pain for them if anything goes wrong.
Even with the loot group, I'm not holding my breath. This one is going to be hard for looters to get their hands on and there's already a long queue.
My biggest fear (which goes for any model I spend too much for on ebay) is that GW will relent, release it for a lower price, and I'll feel like a bigger sucker than I already would be for buying it at that price
I think they are 'pulling the piss' (slang for: it means they are joking...)
There is no way that you have to spend $420 AU to get this model, which you could kit bash better from kits available (or even do the exact model...) (it says spend 150 pounds and in AUD is $285, but the website says spend $420...either way, I hate primaris anyway so no incentive for me (prefer first born especially with Deathwatch, are way better))
Nice Model, would have considered it if it was £100 in value potentially.
Would be nice if they did this sort of thing more often with a variety of models to choose from (Eldar Exarch, Ork Knob), I may actually purchase from GW then - if it was a £100 buy in that is.
Spectral Ceramite wrote: I think they are 'pulling the piss' (slang for: it means they are joking...)
There is no way that you have to spend $420 AU to get this model, which you could kit bash better from kits available (or even do the exact model...) (it says spend 150 pounds and in AUD is $285, but the website says spend $420...either way, I hate primaris anyway so no incentive for me (prefer first born especially with Deathwatch, are way better))
Even calling it a kit bash is a stretch. The parts for that guy are available in any Assault Intercessor kit... it'd only be a kitbash if you wanted the necron bits on his base.
GaroRobe wrote: Even with the loot group, I'm not holding my breath. This one is going to be hard for looters to get their hands on and there's already a long queue.
My biggest fear (which goes for any model I spend too much for on ebay) is that GW will relent, release it for a lower price, and I'll feel like a bigger sucker than I already would be for buying it at that price
I personally can confirm that Mad Doc's Loot Group will get at least 1 for Stateside shipping. Stay tuned.
Without intended irony or sarcasm? In a Marine heavy environment, we now have two Catachans, two Necrons, a bunch of Spoopy Ghosts, a Noise Marine, and multiple Orks & Grots.
I'm just surprised that this is to celebrate hitting 1 million on-line customers.
GWs been selling on-line for decades - I'd have thought they'd have hit that # many years ago.
Without intended irony or sarcasm? In a Marine heavy environment, we now have two Catachans, two Necrons, a bunch of Spoopy Ghosts, a Noise Marine, and multiple Orks & Grots.
ccs wrote: I'm just surprised that this is to celebrate hitting 1 million on-line customers.
GWs been selling on-line for decades - I'd have thought they'd have hit that # many years ago.
Well, you see, when the wife of the CEO wipes the entire customer database for the website revamp...
Spectral Ceramite wrote: I think they are 'pulling the piss' (slang for: it means they are joking...)
There is no way that you have to spend $420 AU to get this model, which you could kit bash better from kits available (or even do the exact model...) (it says spend 150 pounds and in AUD is $285, but the website says spend $420...either way, I hate primaris anyway so no incentive for me (prefer first born especially with Deathwatch, are way better))
Well. Care to show your kitbashed version that is same looking?
Hopefully you aren"t claiming you can kitbash without being able to do so when put to prove your claim
The only thing this model seems to have going for it is battle damage and a scenic base. No special gear, nothing out of the ordinary for an Intercessor Seregeant. £100 for a chance to win a Warlord is worth it. £150 for this? Nah.
Gert wrote: The only thing this model seems to have going for it is battle damage and a scenic base. No special gear, nothing out of the ordinary for an Intercessor Seregeant. £100 for a chance to win a Warlord is worth it. £150 for this? Nah.
The exclusives are undeniably Marine heavy, but to claim they’re the totality is demonstrably false.
Besides if you where making free bonus Mini's wouldn't you want to ensure it was something as many people as possiable might want? that would explain things being weighted towards Marines.
as for me I'm gonna be placing a fair sized issue for some of those SCE dragons so I'll proably get one of these guys as a result.
Gert wrote: The only thing this model seems to have going for it is battle damage and a scenic base. No special gear, nothing out of the ordinary for an Intercessor Seregeant.
*shrugs* I dunno. I think it's a nice sculpt. I even like the unhelmeted version.
Gert wrote: £100 for a chance to win a Warlord is worth it. £150 for this?
AUD$420 is not worth it either. Doesn't mean it isn't a nice mini.
Neat. The base looks really thematic. I love the look of the necrons crawling up. I'd even take the marine off of that base and put literally anything else on there for a cooler scene.
Gert wrote: The only thing this model seems to have going for it is battle damage and a scenic base. No special gear, nothing out of the ordinary for an Intercessor Seregeant.
*shrugs* I dunno. I think it's a nice sculpt. I even like the unhelmeted version.
Gert wrote: £100 for a chance to win a Warlord is worth it. £150 for this?
AUD$420 is not worth it either. Doesn't mean it isn't a nice mini.
I would not go out and order 150 pounds worth of goods just for the mini and I would question the sanity of anyone who does (seriously if anyone is willing to buy a buncha stuff JUST for the mini, you're fething nuts) but if you where already inclined to make a big order anyway, it's a nice little bonus,
Yeah. It's not something you pay that 150 pounds(hint. You get your order as well as the mini. You don't order 150 pounds of stuff and only get this sergeant like few seem to think).
It's not best of deals but when done right basically it costs you maybe grouping couple orders you were planning anyway to 1 order. Not end of the world.
Only issue is for those who can't later help but order more despite ordering already that planned more. But those order stuff anyway.
tneva82 wrote: Yeah. It's not something you pay that 150 pounds(hint. You get your order as well as the mini. You don't order 150 pounds of stuff and only get this sergeant like few seem to think).
It's not best of deals but when done right basically it costs you maybe grouping couple orders you were planning anyway to 1 order. Not end of the world.
I think a lot of people would avoid buying from GW directly unless they really have to, for such people it costs what the discount would be at your regular 3rd party retailer.
tneva82 wrote: Yeah. It's not something you pay that 150 pounds(hint. You get your order as well as the mini. You don't order 150 pounds of stuff and only get this sergeant like few seem to think).
It's not best of deals but when done right basically it costs you maybe grouping couple orders you were planning anyway to 1 order. Not end of the world.
I think a lot of people would avoid buying from GW directly unless they really have to, for such people it costs what the discount would be at your regular 3rd party retailer.
Maybe but not everyone, I tend to work with GW for pre-orders as I feel there's a liiitle more certianty to it.
tneva82 wrote: Yeah. It's not something you pay that 150 pounds(hint. You get your order as well as the mini. You don't order 150 pounds of stuff and only get this sergeant like few seem to think).
It's not best of deals but when done right basically it costs you maybe grouping couple orders you were planning anyway to 1 order. Not end of the world.
I think a lot of people would avoid buying from GW directly unless they really have to, for such people it costs what the discount would be at your regular 3rd party retailer.
That's why i said done right. Aka get items you don't get discount anyway. Gw doesn't give everything to flgs(limited edition stuff for example) or give the same discount for flgs for everything and thus while flgs can get them(slowly) no discount there.
So you pay then the discount of 0% not much of price.
Wha-Mu-077 wrote: I have a theory that all limited models are Marines because they're so blatantly easy to make, just get the same CAD file as 90% Marines, give them a premade Bolter or a premade Chainsword or whatever, then you just pose them and voila!
I think they've been trying to push marines as the "mascots" of 40K. We had a customer in my local store the other day who legitimately didn't know any other factions for 40K even existed. He thought it was just marines vs. marines and was genuinely shocked when he came in for the first time and was met with walls full of other factions. I think the best part though was that he came in looking to get into 40K and left instead with around 400$ in Skaven. Said Fantasy was more his thing.
I think that this only flags that the prices of GW products are so expensive now that the £150 is not that difficult to reach. I mean some kits are £100 and dex/btomes at 30... cards 20, dices 20 and so on.
If you get just the bare minimum Ork, Orruk & stromcast rules update your down to 90 already.
Not going to lie, I have been debating what big purchases I could do to get that fething model.
I've got to buy my brother something for his birthday in October, so that's at least $100-140 (if I get a combat patrol for him.)
The thing is, I really don't want to spend more than the minimum. So I could get blackstone fortress, and him something for 100. But I'd rather spend more on him.
Plus, part of me doesn't want to justify GW and validate them by getting the model. Choices, choices.
GaroRobe wrote: Not going to lie, I have been debating what big purchases I could do to get that fething model.
I've got to buy my brother something for his birthday in October, so that's at least $100-140 (if I get a combat patrol for him.)
The thing is, I really don't want to spend more than the minimum. So I could get blackstone fortress, and him something for 100. But I'd rather spend more on him.
Plus, part of me doesn't want to justify GW and validate them by getting the model. Choices, choices.
More power to you if you manage to snag this nice mini for your collection. I dont think you should worry about validating GW because for all effects its a freebie they added in to celebrate an event.
Get it if you like it is all I say.
For me if I was still into rules and games it would be very very easy to spend that money just on rules, cards and dices. Add a kit or two and its done
ccs wrote: I'm just surprised that this is to celebrate hitting 1 million on-line customers.
GWs been selling on-line for decades - I'd have thought they'd have hit that # many years ago.
Well, you see, when the wife of the CEO wipes the entire customer database for the website revamp...
Another thought is that its not just 1million customers, but 1million who actually bought something or spent over a certain threshold. Not just dozens of people who signed up for an account and never used it .
Dysartes wrote: It's getting to be a while ago now - after all, it was pre-Rountree, so we're talking at least 4 years.
That's still an impressive number of customers for a nice market, though.
Wasnt the 2 web exclusive Space Marine Captains part of the launch offer for the new website?
If so, i just checked my past orders and that was @31/05/2014!
No idea, but the new webstore replaced the old GW website that had gaming resources for 5th ed 40k, which ended in 2012, that may have carried over into 6th ed 40k, which ended in 2014. The replacement would have happened around that time.
Not to forget that GW consolidated user accounts into the MyWarhammer account not too long ago. My guess is that the millionth customer served specifically refers to these accounts counting only those with at least one purchase from the webstore. The other option I see is that those numbers possibly include the old accounts from the current webstore which were not transferred to MyWarhammer. Which means that million customers is the sum of active customers from the last eight or so years, or just the last... two? Three?
"We actually served our millionth customer in 1997 but technology at the time was not advanced enough to create a commemorative model worthy of the occasion. Now in 2021 we are finally there and you get to share in the experience. Welcome to the wonderful world of tomorrow, today!"
"We actually served our millionth customer in 1997 but technology at the time was not advanced enough to create a commemorative model worthy of the occasion. Now in 2021 we are finally there and you get to share in the experience. Welcome to the wonderful world of tomorrow, today!"
Dysartes wrote: It's getting to be a while ago now - after all, it was pre-Rountree, so we're talking at least 4 years.
That's still an impressive number of customers for a nice market, though.
Wasnt the 2 web exclusive Space Marine Captains part of the launch offer for the new website?
If so, i just checked my past orders and that was @31/05/2014!
Sooooo 2014 so 7 years..... so 1,000,000/7= 142,857 per year average \12= 11,904 orders per month..... seems kinda low IMHO but meh what do I know.
As it's $420 aussie plastic monopoly money, I'm kinda scared to see what it is for Canada, we are the only other country to get close to the screw you tax aka wonky exchange rate that GW uses in it's internal pricing structure. $240(US) freedom dollars.... I'm going to kick myself for looking at this...$300 ouch, which isn't as bad as I thought it would be considering our Cad price is usually just under double the US price even though the exchange rate is only 1US= .75cents.
Still you would think a multi million pound company would have a higher online sales average that 12,000 orders a month from world wide access. I guess it just shows how much stuff people buy through FLGS's with discounts or from local GW stores.
Dysartes wrote: It's getting to be a while ago now - after all, it was pre-Rountree, so we're talking at least 4 years.
That's still an impressive number of customers for a nice market, though.
Wasnt the 2 web exclusive Space Marine Captains part of the launch offer for the new website?
If so, i just checked my past orders and that was @31/05/2014!
Sooooo 2014 so 7 years..... so 1,000,000/7= 142,857 per year average \12= 11,904 orders per month..... seems kinda low IMHO but meh what do I know.
As it's $420 aussie plastic monopoly money, I'm kinda scared to see what it is for Canada, we are the only other country to get close to the screw you tax aka wonky exchange rate that GW uses in it's internal pricing structure. $240(US) freedom dollars.... I'm going to kick myself for looking at this...$300 ouch, which isn't as bad as I thought it would be considering our Cad price is usually just under double the US price even though the exchange rate is only 1US= .75cents.
Still you would think a multi million pound company would have a higher online sales average that 12,000 orders a month from world wide access. I guess it just shows how much stuff people buy through FLGS's with discounts or from local GW stores.
They probably mean a million customers though? Not a million orders. So a lot of people would probably have order multiple times over 7 years.
Spectral Ceramite wrote: I think they are 'pulling the piss' (slang for: it means they are joking...)
There is no way that you have to spend $420 AU to get this model, which you could kit bash better from kits available (or even do the exact model...) (it says spend 150 pounds and in AUD is $285, but the website says spend $420...either way, I hate primaris anyway so no incentive for me (prefer first born especially with Deathwatch, are way better))
Well. Care to show your kitbashed version that is same looking?
Hopefully you aren"t claiming you can kitbash without being able to do so when put to prove your claim
Honestly, if you can't 'kitbash' this guy, maybe spend more time making stuff... . (Tbh I have like 4k of primaris DW and don't plan on making more, was just the minimum of the new guys when want to run them).
I find making the models and converting the most enjoyable part of this hobby, and this model gives nothing...
Remember that monkey librarian they released (the one with arms around his head). I bought that and converted it to an awesome GK librarian (changed legs, staff top, head, left arm position etc. Cause he had character...) with this new guy he has nothing worth taking, everything is almost generic. Just one of a million examples.
I mean is good for free if ordering things cannot get from cheaper stores (like I ordered an entire Dark elf army recently, all models had to be ordered from GW online because non of my online stores stock them units).
But is it good...no. Is it worth me ordering things I want that can't be bought cheaper from other stores...no. If was ordering that much anyway, a good bonus...Yes.
TBH the BASE would be the hard thing to convert, the mini itself is essentially just a dude with a pistol and chain sword. so if you don't give a damn about the base, yeah it's accurate to say this'd be easy to do.
tneva82 wrote: Ah so no picture. Knew you were just hot air all talk no ability.
Easy to claim you can kitbash same when you refuse to put your money where your mouth is.
All talk, no ability.
That's ok, you can think no substance is your opinion (don't give a gak what you think, but think what will).
What has no substance or character is the model they are promoting. For the apparent 1 millionth order etc or whatever, you would think would do something with character. Ironically, is something which has none.
Unlike most primaris models this one has sculpted battle damage little details and a scenic base with 3 necrons lending more drama to the mini.
Im not that big on space marines but this sergeant managed to capture a battle scene and a veteran mood. That is not common on all minis or exclusives IMO.
NAVARRO wrote: Unlike most primaris models this one has sculpted battle damage little details and a scenic base with 3 necrons lending more drama to the mini.
Im not that big on space marines but this sergeant managed to capture a battle scene and a veteran mood. That is not common on all minis or exclusives IMO.
I agree with that, but don't people sculpt there own battle damage? The generic template is there for you to do just that?
But yes the base is good, I think that aspect looks good.
Edit: if I got it, I would do the bottom left necron doing the scratch marks on his right front leg (to go with the scratches, like half way down prob convert to a flayed one) and his chainsword cutting off the other reaching necrons hand.
So what are people thinking the monetary value of this guy will be? I have a big order coming up and will save money by buying from elsewhere, or buy direct from GW to get the model.
tneva82 wrote: Ah so no picture. Knew you were just hot air all talk no ability.
Easy to claim you can kitbash same when you refuse to put your money where your mouth is.
All talk, no ability.
It's a normal Assault Intercessor sergeant with a plasma pistol. Every part is already present in a single Assault Intercessor kit.
It doesn't even fall into the realm of "kitbash" unless you want to include the Necrons.
Honestly, pretending that someone can't assemble this guy from spare parts is weird.
I liked the part where unless you're willing to put in a not-insignificant amount of effort you're wrong. No one has taken the time to do work for someone with an unreasonable attitude for free in order to settle that a generic looking space man looks like other space men, so really, we're all wrong, in spirit. But think of the glory, if one were to prove an internet skeptic wrong.
AllSeeingSkink wrote: So what are people thinking the monetary value of this guy will be? I have a big order coming up and will save money by buying from elsewhere, or buy direct from GW to get the model.
Is it worth it?
For what it’s worth (pun not intended), the Loot Group price is £21 (or local currency GW price equivalent) as that’s in-line with other Commemorative Series models that got a retail release.
Will that impact the wider pricing? Not a clue, as this is a difficult one to judge supply vs demand. And to claim the Loot Group has a significant impact on the wider market seems….more than a tad arrogant. We’re an alternative, but sadly not a solution to scalpers ramping up prices.
My first already has a new home to be sent to, and I’m likely to get my mitts on a second next payday, as I do need ever more Necromunda scenery.
NAVARRO wrote: Unlike most primaris models this one has sculpted battle damage little details and a scenic base with 3 necrons lending more drama to the mini.
Im not that big on space marines but this sergeant managed to capture a battle scene and a veteran mood. That is not common on all minis or exclusives IMO.
I agree with that, but don't people sculpt there own battle damage? The generic template is there for you to do just that?
But yes the base is good, I think that aspect looks good.
Edit: if I got it, I would do the bottom left necron doing the scratch marks on his right front leg (to go with the scratches, like half way down prob convert to a flayed one) and his chainsword cutting off the other reaching necrons hand.
I think in general is preferable to have no battle damage and you either paint or carve your own on your army but this is more of a display miniature, the celebration of something and some painters may prefer not to fiddle, sculpt or add bits and just paint as is, for display.
I doubt I will go out of my way to get this sergeant but if I did I would keep it as it is and just add it on top of a scratchbuilt scenic base with plinth where there would be a pile of necrons, kind of king of the hill diorama.
I may pick this up. Just got a bonus at work, and there are some direct only stuff I have my eye on. 15% off of $240 is $36, so about the same as a character model separately.
It's too special = "How dare GW lock these essential models behind a paywall"
It's not special enough = "How dare GW expect me to pay £150 for a model I can already kitbash easily"
It seems to me this model is pretty much perfect for the promotion because it's cool enough to prompt people to take part but not so amazing or unique that you're really missing out if you don't.
I like the model. Really just for the base - I might put a power fist or even a jump pack on the marine and turn him into something more special. There's about £150 of things I've been meaning to get for a while so I will just get them now and enjoy this model as a bonus.
If GW are in a trolling mood the next one should be a new Ork Boy with just a shoota.
soviet13 wrote: It's too special = "How dare GW lock these essential models behind a paywall"
It's not special enough = "How dare GW expect me to pay £150 for a model I can already kitbash easily"
Or: the enlightened third position = "Why don't Gw just, y'know, sell the model..?"
Pretty basic capitalism.
Offer something you can reliably expect to be desirable, with a qualified above your average spend, but ideally not well above your average spend, and reap the monetary benefit.
Please note I am not claiming any specific let alone insider knowledge as to what the average spend on GW’s website is. But I think we can make something at least close to an educated guess.
First and foremost, they offer free shipping on orders of £20 or more. That’s a pretty low bar itself, but does at least encourage people to save orders for random paints and brushes (the only thing I can immediately think of to not exceed the threshold).
Second and secondmost, this particular model’s £150 spend qualifying threshold thing.
From those two known data points, we can reasonably extrapolate that the average spend is somewhere between £20 and £150.
Given its mail order, we can safely infer there is some kind of work hour cost in picking, packing and dispatching said orders. U.K. wage laws and shipping costs being what they are, we can be pretty confident that’s a relatively fixed cost, though we can’t safely speculate what that actual cost is. Why? Few to none of us Dakkanauts have worked in their warehouse, so we’ve no real way to guess what a picker-packer might have as a productivity target, or exactly how it’s measured. I can with some confidence say that people who do high volume dispatches do get more favourable shipping rates.
From that, we can be confident that pretty much any order over £20 is worth the bother, because GW offer free shipping at that specific threshold.
Now. The £150 threshold. I speculated above that the average spend might be somewhere close to that. How close? Well…..that’s a different matter. But given this sort of model normally retails at £21, perhaps we can guess it to be £130ish. It could actually be somewhat lower, with GW relying on the exclusivity to generate higher demand.
Because the actual cost of producing that model is, mould aside, peanuts. The mould itself might be fairly expensive, sure. And you need to recoup the packaging, design and production time. And the mould is likely producing multiple copies at a time (because it’s my understanding the moulds are a pretty universal size? Do Not Quote Me On This). We can be pretty sure GW has counted their beans and worked out the numbers, and figured this will be a profitable endeavour.
Certainly we can quite reasonably infer that they’ve considered it, and found it to be worth the risk and will generate a profit. Especially as they control their own production and distribution chain.
To revisit the “costs them peanuts” thing? I suspect at least part of their calculation will include people ordering already popular and therefore profitable kits, so the “costs them peanuts” thing redoubles it’s efforts. People chucking decent amounts of cash at you, buying goods that have long since paid their own production costs, on the promise of a shiny new and exclusive “now or never” model.
Offer something you can reliably expect to be desirable, with a qualified above your average spend, but ideally not well above your average spend, and reap the monetary benefit.
Sure, but also, it's a pretty anti-consumer strategy that has no benefit to the customer at all. As a customer, it would've been much better to just offer it on sale, even direct only, than hide away behind a promotion. We're not supposed to cheer on companies as they take advantage of human psychology for profit.
Offer something you can reliably expect to be desirable, with a qualified above your average spend, but ideally not well above your average spend, and reap the monetary benefit.
Sure, but also, it's a pretty anti-consumer strategy that has no benefit to the customer at all. As a customer, it would've been much better to just offer it on sale, even direct only, than hide away behind a promotion. We're not supposed to cheer on companies as they take advantage of human psychology for profit.
It's anti-consumer to give something away for free rather than sell it to you? I don't think so.
This isn't anything unique like a special character or unique armament. It's just a basic dude on a cool base. I think people can live without it if necessary.
GaroRobe wrote: I'm honestly pretty mad that the ork stompa is "temporarily out of stock."
That's like half way to getting the model, and I can't because the model is probably being reboxed
Fortunately I've been out of the UK for five months so I've ended up ordering (in two batches) the plastic crack I was going to go all out for in a binge in January.
Unfortunately, the Long Haired Admiral at home will be able to monitor the arriving boxes!
GaroRobe wrote: I'm honestly pretty mad that the ork stompa is "temporarily out of stock."
That's like half way to getting the model, and I can't because the model is probably being reboxed
Man, I don't like to tell people not to buy something they want...
But don't buy a Stompa! That kit is a nightmare! It has not aged well.
Gork+Morkanauts are the same price, and the kit will not require three pounds of rubber bands.
Thank you for your advice :thumbs-up:
Personally, I prefer the orkanauts too (it helps they're a newer kit). I'll just let my brother decide what he wants and let him pick something. That's probably the best gift anyway haha
" Or equivalent local currency, terms and conditions apply"
150 GBP = 280.38 Australian dollar
Somehow that equals $410 Australian dollars
The terms and conditions are , you bend over a large barrel for a uninspiring, phoned in model.
LGS offers a %10 discount that's $41. Want a bigger discount you can get %20 off. Is this model really worth 41-82$ AUD
It's nothing but a trap for the stupid rolled into a tactic to pull away sales from trade account holders. .
I remember back in 1996 or 1997 I handwrote a letter to Australian GW mail order in Ork Glyphs from the second edition ork codex basically explaining how much I loved the hobby. They sent me back a reply letter in ork glyphs and included in the envelope was 5 plastic goff boyz and 5 plastic gretchin.
...what a downhill slope over the years from souless corporatism of GW. From being valued as a person, to being treated like a naive sucker.
Offer something you can reliably expect to be desirable, with a qualified above your average spend, but ideally not well above your average spend, and reap the monetary benefit.
Sure, but also, it's a pretty anti-consumer strategy that has no benefit to the customer at all. As a customer, it would've been much better to just offer it on sale, even direct only, than hide away behind a promotion. We're not supposed to cheer on companies as they take advantage of human psychology for profit.
It's anti-consumer to give something away for free rather than sell it to you? I don't think so.
This isn't anything unique like a special character or unique armament. It's just a basic dude on a cool base. I think people can live without it if necessary.
Yeah I'm as anti-capitalist as the next guy, but they're just offering a promo on a dude a lot of us think is barely differentiated from a normal kit other than a fancy base. There are so many worse business practices out there than incentivizing buying more things. Like, who who's like sold things ever hasn't done that? Like, zines or mom & pop stores or craftsmen or let's go with something as quotidian as a baker's dozen. Not catering to the consumer's spending habits on luxury goods isn't immoral, maybe you could make the argument about means or something if it were essential, but it's not.
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GoldenHorde wrote: It's nothing but a trap for the stupid rolled into a tactic to pull away sales from trade account holders.
This is a better criticism, yeah, it's very much so GW can get a better profit by competing with the businesses they supply, which probably will hurt some businesses a bit, and is reasonable complaint about screwing people they work with.
Here in Japan it's weirdly ok. You get it if you spend ¥28500 (£188 right now). That's the same price as Dominion or kill team or probably the new Black Templars box. Also in Japan 3rd party retailers never do discounts for some reason so you don't lose anything by shopping online.
That means that of you buy the new Black Templars box you will just get an extra mini thrown in.
Obviously if you're savy you just get your sister to order it from Element games for you and pay her the postage fee. Even with registered post and import duty it still works out quite a bit cheaper than ordering in Japan.
BrianDavion wrote: would you rather it be a model specificly with special kit that you can't get elsewhere?
You mean like the limited Primaris Captain w/Power Fist & Plasma Pistol?
Exactly. that was all kinda of irriating Now collectors can get this as a LE collectable and those who just want to play don't need to sweat being locked out of a useful WYSIWYG equipment loadout because we didn't go to a GW store in the South eastren hemipshere on a tuesday when Venus and Jupiter where aligned
LGS offers a %10 discount that's $41. Want a bigger discount you can get %20 off. Is this model really worth 41-82$ AUD
It's nothing but a trap for the stupid rolled into a tactic to pull away sales from trade account holders. .
Well you are paying literally 0 for the model....
And yes FLGS provide discount. On SOME models.
Do it smart way and you get this paying same as you would pay anyway. No discount is no discount and there's plenty of items FLGS can't provide discount.
Only people who either have math ability worse than kindergarden kid or somehow thinks GW doesnt' send items you bought for and just the model would think this actually costs you something. It doesn't. It's 0$ price. It's bit inconvenient to get but still doesn't matter. You will pay 0 for it in the end.
tneva82 wrote: Ah so no picture. Knew you were just hot air all talk no ability.
Easy to claim you can kitbash same when you refuse to put your money where your mouth is.
All talk, no ability.
It's a normal Assault Intercessor sergeant with a plasma pistol. Every part is already present in a single Assault Intercessor kit.
It doesn't even fall into the realm of "kitbash" unless you want to include the Necrons.
Honestly, pretending that someone can't assemble this guy from spare parts is weird.
Someone put together a spot on “kitbash” including the necrons and posted to Reddit the same day they announced the model, unfortunately I didn’t save the image. The only thing it didn’t have was the battle damage but that’s not much additional work.
tneva82 wrote: Ah so no picture. Knew you were just hot air all talk no ability.
Easy to claim you can kitbash same when you refuse to put your money where your mouth is.
All talk, no ability.
It's a normal Assault Intercessor sergeant with a plasma pistol. Every part is already present in a single Assault Intercessor kit.
It doesn't even fall into the realm of "kitbash" unless you want to include the Necrons.
Honestly, pretending that someone can't assemble this guy from spare parts is weird.
Someone put together a spot on “kitbash” including the necrons and posted to Reddit the same day they announced the model, unfortunately I didn’t save the image. The only thing it didn’t have was the battle damage but that’s not much additional work.
I mean in fairness people proably kitbashed assault intercessors long before the kit existed too *shrugs*
Only people who either have math ability worse than kindergarden kid or somehow thinks GW doesnt' send items you bought for and just the model would think this actually costs you something. It doesn't. It's 0$ price. It's bit inconvenient to get but still doesn't matter. You will pay 0 for it in the end.
Wrong. Dead wrong.
Even a "kindergarten kid" would understand that you would have to pay $410 AUD minimum for it, not $0.
Don't have $410? You're out of luck.
Also $410 worth of stuff from a discount retailer gets you a whole lot more extra than one crappy gratis trap exclusive mini. This is a "deal" for suckers
Vorian wrote: This semantic argument where you argue if discount forgone counts as free or not is really riveting.
A bonus is that both are equally true, so you can continue restating your side indefinitely without any resolution.
There is no semantic argument. It's not free. It's gratis and It costs $410 AUD to be gratis.
Go look up the word gratis
You know this is scummy behaviour by GW when someone in Australia has their threshold $130 AUD above someone in the UK. In the middle of a pandemic....
The only thing that is "free" is the insulting anti consumer tactics of GW
first off i like the model, but its notting you cant create from a box off primaris marines. and has it to be a lt how manny do they think you need in you army., would be nice it it wasnt a marine for ones
Vorian wrote: This semantic argument where you argue if discount forgone counts as free or not is really riveting.
A bonus is that both are equally true, so you can continue restating your side indefinitely without any resolution.
There is no semantic argument. It's not free. It's gratis and It costs $410 AUD to be gratis.
Go look up the word gratis
You know this is scummy behaviour by GW when someone in Australia has their threshold $130 AUD above someone in the UK. In the middle of a pandemic....
The only thing that is "free" is the insulting anti consumer tactics of GW
Not sure what the historic freezing of exchange rates has to do with your pointless semantic argument.
But you've restated it, congratulations. It's as both true and false as it was before.
Vorian wrote: This semantic argument where you argue if discount forgone counts as free or not is really riveting.
A bonus is that both are equally true, so you can continue restating your side indefinitely without any resolution.
There is no semantic argument. It's not free. It's gratis and It costs $410 AUD to be gratis.
Go look up the word gratis
You know this is scummy behaviour by GW when someone in Australia has their threshold $130 AUD above someone in the UK. In the middle of a pandemic....
The only thing that is "free" is the insulting anti consumer tactics of GW
Not sure what the historic freezing of exchange rates has to do with your pointless semantic argument.
But you've restated it, congratulations. It's as both true and false as it was before.
Right ....so the theory from GW apologists now is that GW "froze it" from........must be frozen from Jan 2003's exchange rate.
Legit argument right there
The subject has everything to do with lame anti consumer, anti competitive tactics of GW
Oh no, GW is not shafting Australians...nononono they just have not updated their forex market rates in 18 years.
That's a gold medal perfomance in mental gymnastics right there
It's not being an apologist, it's just what they did.
They then kept regional pricing consistent and the performance of the £ vs most international currency makes things look progressively worse in comparison.
If you look in only local currency then the increases will be pretty consistent worldwide.
All of which is nothing to do with a "free" miniature or not.
Vorian wrote: It's not being an apologist, it's just what they did.
They then kept regional pricing consistent and the performance of the £ vs most international currency makes things look progressively worse in comparison.
If you look in only local currency then the increases will be pretty consistent worldwide.
All of which is nothing to do with a "free" miniature or not.
You are right its consistentprice gouging.
You say nothing to do with the exclusive mini (lol) trap scheme, well you are damn wrong.
This concept is all about steering people away from independent retailers.
Just like the market gouging, it's intended to increase margin, decrease competition.
This is not a coincidence. This is a trend of the company.
Just go back in time a little, compare this moronic scheme to free minis in white dwarf.\
Vorian wrote: A free miniature with white dwarf to encourage people to spend extra money and increase profit.
A free miniature to encourage direct purchases and increase profit.
Not really sure how an optional freebie is insulting, but ok.
Yeah...no difference at all
One cost $9.95 back in the day
One cost $410
Care to tell me how many percent difference that is?
Not much of a "freebie". I already broke down it's not worth eschewing your discount retail. That's why people talk about buying GW webstore exclusive minis to get this, which gets back to how this is a slimy, anti consumer, anti competitive tactic by GW, just as webstore exclusive minis are.
I'm not sure what your point is. They are different promotions with different terms? Ok.
If its worth giving up a discount is of course up to the individual. Some people it'll be worth switching, some people will order directly from GW as standard and it'll be pure freebie since they'd never have got a discount anyway.
Just because it's not worth it to you (or me, as it happens) does not make that a universal opinion.
Anti consumer? Obviously not. Its an optional benefit. Only pro consumer by any definition.
Anti competition? Not really. They are in competition with independent retail, but they aren't preventing them doing anything.
You know this since you're talking about how you favour the independent's competitive edge (discounts).
Please, it's a LIMITED product, advertised as such. It's not just a freebie, it's a commemorative, limited product. It's designed to tickle the FOMO/completionist personality aspects of customers. That's why it's price is 150 pounds not 10 pounds and why it's added to store order, and has no way to buy it directly. It is essentially locked behind a 150gbp paywall, even if it's "free". It is in no way pro-consumer, just like all limited edition stuff is in no way pro-consumer because it basically (especially with stuff thats cheap and easy to produce like toy soldiers) keeping the product artificially limited, creating haves and have-nots.
Fortunately for us, this particular model is actually terribly bland.
Anti consumer? Obviously not. Its an optional benefit. Only pro consumer by any definition.
Anti competition? Not really. They are in competition with independent retail, but they aren't preventing them doing anything.
You know this since you're talking about how you favour the independent's competitive edge (discounts).
It's absolutely anti-consumer and an anti competitive practice.
Can the consumer obtain this miniature from their independent stockist? No.
Can the independent stockist sell the miniature? No.
Can the consumer obtain this miniature without paying GW $410AUD or "equivalent". No.
Clearly anti-consumer and anti-competitive practice.
Offer something you can reliably expect to be desirable, with a qualified above your average spend, but ideally not well above your average spend, and reap the monetary benefit.
Sure, but also, it's a pretty anti-consumer strategy that has no benefit to the customer at all.
It's of benefit to customers that already spend £150 at GW in a month anyway. I don't know who these people are, the GW online store is always more expensive than resellers, by definition. But these people clearly exist. Indeed, apparently there's literally a million of them!
Offer something you can reliably expect to be desirable, with a qualified above your average spend, but ideally not well above your average spend, and reap the monetary benefit.
Sure, but also, it's a pretty anti-consumer strategy that has no benefit to the customer at all.
It's of benefit to customers that already spend £150 at GW in a month anyway. I don't know who these people are, the GW online store is always more expensive than resellers, by definition. But these people clearly exist. Indeed, apparently there's literally a million of them!
You know what they say, there's a new Warhammer fan born every minute.
NAVARRO wrote: I wonder if this was available as standard in store purchase, limited time, for the usual 20£ if anyone would be interested in buying it.
Maybe, maybe not.
But then we'd be hearing about how silly it is to have yet another Space Marine character model for sale.
NAVARRO wrote: I wonder if this was available as standard in store purchase, limited time, for the usual 20£ if anyone would be interested in buying it.
Maybe, maybe not.
But then we'd be hearing about how silly it is to have yet another Space Marine character model for sale.
Clearly the best solution is to stop making bloody Space Marines.
Wha-Mu-077 wrote: Clearly the best solution is to stop making bloody Space Marines.
But, they're the easiest to tweak in the modelling tool, making a simple variant of a model-saturated list slot.
Best solution is to change to a different model entirely, but that takes effort, and leads to cries of army favouritism (until the next one comes out).
I want an epicly-posed Autarch on a jetbike. Never going to happen.
a_typical_hero wrote: Imagine the winefest if a limited model was an actual FOMO release that is not already available in some form AND an update to an outdated sculpt.
If it was a Spess Mehreen character it'd be hilarious, watching Blandmarine fans seethe would be more amysing than any Black Libary book in the past 5 years.
It's absolutely anti-consumer and an anti competitive practice.
Can the consumer obtain this miniature from their independent stockist? No.
Can the independent stockist sell the miniature? No.
Can the consumer obtain this miniature without paying GW $410AUD or "equivalent". No.
Clearly anti-consumer and anti-competitive practice.
Nope.
It is offering the consumer an optional extra. The customer loses zero choices and gains an extra one.
If you personally like or dislike it does not determine if its pro or anti consumer. Its pro consumer.
And one party offering something extra is not anti competition. It improves the offer of one party, it does not reduce the ability of the others to compete. It is pro competition.
What you mean is that you don't like it and you're throwing out words to try and justify that.
NAVARRO wrote: I wonder if this was available as standard in store purchase, limited time, for the usual 20£ if anyone would be interested in buying it.
I would, yes. It's a cool scenic base and the whole model is a nice foundation to convert a character out of. I'm going to add a power fist and maybe a jump pack and put him in my Deathwatch.
a_typical_hero wrote: Imagine the winefest if a limited model was an actual FOMO release that is not already available in some form AND an update to an outdated sculpt.
GW could also just offer the model for sale. Maybe that's not convoluted enough though.
Although this is actually a step up from what GW usually does. If it were a GW store FOMO model people would have to spend money just for the privilege of being allowed to buy it.
a_typical_hero wrote: Imagine the winefest if a limited model was an actual FOMO release that is not already available in some form AND an update to an outdated sculpt.
GW could also just offer the model for sale. Maybe that's not convoluted enough though.
Although this is actually a step up from what GW usually does. If it were a GW store FOMO model people would have to spend money just for the privilege of being allowed to buy it.
If a model was available on sale for the general public, how else would we distinguish the Real Fans from the poors and fakers?
a_typical_hero wrote: Imagine the winefest if a limited model was an actual FOMO release that is not already available in some form AND an update to an outdated sculpt.
GW could also just offer the model for sale. Maybe that's not convoluted enough though.
Although this is actually a step up from what GW usually does. If it were a GW store FOMO model people would have to spend money just for the privilege of being allowed to buy it.
If a model was available on sale for the general public, how else would we distinguish the Real Fans from the poors and fakers?
It's easy, we'd just wait a few minutes for the Real Fans to call everyone else angry entitled manchildren.
It's absolutely anti-consumer and an anti competitive practice.
Can the consumer obtain this miniature from their independent stockist? No.
Can the independent stockist sell the miniature? No.
Can the consumer obtain this miniature without paying GW $410AUD or "equivalent". No.
Clearly anti-consumer and anti-competitive practice.
Nope.
It is offering the consumer an optional extra. The customer loses zero choices and gains an extra one.
If you personally like or dislike it does not determine if its pro or anti consumer. Its pro consumer.
And one party offering something extra is not anti competition. It improves the offer of one party, it does not reduce the ability of the others to compete. It is pro competition.
What you mean is that you don't like it and you're throwing out words to try and justify that.
Yeah, wow, so for real ....a lame fomo mini with a month window....only through their webstore and you have to have $410 or more to get it....that's so damn empowering to customers in an environment where many people are unable to work for their normal revenue.
But yeah GW store FOMO is empowering to customers....hahaha
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I got Sergeant Castus coming by purchasing items I planned to purchase anyway (Ork Combat Patrol, Big 'Ead Boss Bunka and some Kruleboyz). I admit that I would rather have supported my local store but they have been struggling to get any new releases at all. The owner places an order every week but they end up getting stuck in courier warehouses for weeks or months.
Usually I prefer to support local store even if they don't offer any discount. It's not a thing around this part of the world.
It's four weeks worth of a window for you to place an order.
There's zero "FOMO" present. It's four weeks for you to come up with an order that could reach that threshhold, or to tap in on someone else's order who won't want the model.
Kanluwen wrote: It's four weeks worth of a window for you to place an order.
There's zero "FOMO" present. It's four weeks for you to come up with an order that could reach that threshhold, or to tap in on someone else's order who won't want the model.
You don't realise how you're literally describing how manipulative it is, do you? So you're being manipulated to co-opt others to give you their bonus mini.......but that's not manipulative is it now...
It's a %100 FOMO recipe.
High barrier of entry + limited time of availability.
BertBert wrote: Why restrict it that way in the first place?
Because the injection mold is made out of FOMOtium and only lasts a hot minute
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Kanluwen wrote: It's four weeks worth of a window for you to place an order.
There's zero "FOMO" present. It's four weeks for you to come up with an order that could reach that threshhold, or to tap in on someone else's order who won't want the model.
You don't realise how you're literally describing how manipulative it is, do you? So you're being manipulated to co-opt others to give you their bonus mini.......but that's not manipulative is it now...
It's a %100 FOMO recipe.
High barrier of entry + limited time of availability.
Explain, precisely, what is manipulative about it.
In-depth. Stop just saying "FOMO" and actually explain why it is manipulative.
Because from where I'm sitting? This ain't it, bruh. There's definitely FOMO at work with GW--but there is for every bloody company in the mini business. From models tied to book preorders(CB), event "specials", etc--there's a lot to get riled up over. A tacked on "bonus mini" with a multi-week window that could be covered just by ordering as part of a group or splurging a bit on scenery or the like? That's...not really a thing.
Especially when the model isn't a profile that has not had a model yet, is not a special character with special rules, etc etc.
Kanluwen wrote: It's four weeks worth of a window for you to place an order.
There's zero "FOMO" present. It's four weeks for you to come up with an order that could reach that threshhold, or to tap in on someone else's order who won't want the model.
You don't realise how you're literally describing how manipulative it is, do you? So you're being manipulated to co-opt others to give you their bonus mini.......but that's not manipulative is it now...
It's a %100 FOMO recipe.
High barrier of entry + limited time of availability.
Explain, precisely, what is manipulative about it.
In-depth. Stop just saying "FOMO" and actually explain why it is manipulative.
Minimum spend $420 AUD within 4 weeks to obtain, only from GW's webstore.
That's three hoops to jump through.
You know it's kinda also in the thread title....if you bothered to take notice
and under the BS pretense to commemorate the upteenth customer....give me a break.... commemorate something actually worthwhile and meaningful to people please.
Looking at the sprue pic, the arms seem completely primaris standard and thus swappable onto a different sergeant to make him into a Lieutenant or something else.
BertBert wrote: Why restrict it that way in the first place?
Because the injection mold is made out of FOMOtium and only lasts a hot minute
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Enjoying all the dynamic monopose goodness
Some of those Marines are flipped because they were originally lefties.
And I would know that, because I made the original image! After which, it was expanded upon and posted on Reddit.
BertBert wrote: Why restrict it that way in the first place?
Because the injection mold is made out of FOMOtium and only lasts a hot minute
Automatically Appended Next Post: At least GW's digital scupltors found the mirror function for Sgt Castration and made him a sinister leftie like me, unlike these bozos
Enjoying all the dynamic monopose goodness
Some of those Marines are flipped because they were originally lefties.
And I would know that, because I made the original image! After which, it was expanded upon and posted on Reddit.
Well if they found they mirror function in a repeatable fashion, whats the chance they find out how to move vertices groups one day in order to change the pose?
We can dream...
Automatically Appended Next Post: Also, this fomo trap model was more important to GW to produce than a whole backlog of minis that need an update because according to the GW apologists, this is "pro-consumer".
Kanluwen wrote: It's four weeks worth of a window for you to place an order.
There's zero "FOMO" present. It's four weeks for you to come up with an order that could reach that threshhold, or to tap in on someone else's order who won't want the model.
You don't realise how you're literally describing how manipulative it is, do you? So you're being manipulated to co-opt others to give you their bonus mini.......but that's not manipulative is it now...
It's a %100 FOMO recipe.
High barrier of entry + limited time of availability.
Explain, precisely, what is manipulative about it.
In-depth. Stop just saying "FOMO" and actually explain why it is manipulative.
Minimum spend $420 AUD within 4 weeks to obtain, only from GW's webstore.
Games Workshop trade account orders placed through the web store may qualify for this promotion however for a trade account order to qualify the value of the order must be the Qualifying Order Value after applying any applicable trade discount.
It's right there in the T&C.
You want one but don't want to order directly via GW yourself?
Go to your local shop that has a trade account with GW, and order up some Direct Only items via them. Same thing functionally but you get to Stick It To The Man or whatever it is you're raging against.
That's three hoops to jump through.
Really just two:
-Order X amount
-Order during Y timeframe
Though I guess you can argue three, since some indies don't use trade accounts but rather have 3rd party distribution.
You know it's kinda also in the thread title....if you bothered to take notice
Gee, I must have missed where it was GW that made the thread. Silly me! I guess if I make a thread about 40k Greatest Game Ever it's true too?
and under the BS pretense to commemorate the upteenth customer....give me a break.... commemorate something actually worthwhile and meaningful to people please.
Like what? Thanksgiving? Hanukah? Christmas? Birthdays? Birth of children? Divorces? Weddings?
Kanluwen wrote: It's four weeks worth of a window for you to place an order.
There's zero "FOMO" present. It's four weeks for you to come up with an order that could reach that threshhold, or to tap in on someone else's order who won't want the model.
You don't realise how you're literally describing how manipulative it is, do you? So you're being manipulated to co-opt others to give you their bonus mini.......but that's not manipulative is it now...
It's a %100 FOMO recipe.
High barrier of entry + limited time of availability.
Explain, precisely, what is manipulative about it.
In-depth. Stop just saying "FOMO" and actually explain why it is manipulative.
Minimum spend $420 AUD within 4 weeks to obtain, only from GW's webstore.
Games Workshop trade account orders placed through the web store may qualify for this promotion however for a trade account order to qualify the value of the order must be the Qualifying Order Value after applying any applicable trade discount.
It's right there in the T&C.
You want one but don't want to order directly via GW yourself?
Go to your local shop that has a trade account with GW, and order up some Direct Only items via them. Same thing functionally but you get to Stick It To The Man or whatever it is you're raging against.
That's three hoops to jump through.
Really just two:
-Order X amount
-Order during Y timeframe
Though I guess you can argue three, since some indies don't use trade accounts but rather have 3rd party distribution.
You know it's kinda also in the thread title....if you bothered to take notice
Gee, I must have missed where it was GW that made the thread. Silly me! I guess if I make a thread about 40k Greatest Game Ever it's true too?
and under the BS pretense to commemorate the upteenth customer....give me a break.... commemorate something actually worthwhile and meaningful to people please.
Like what? Thanksgiving? Hanukah? Christmas? Birthdays? Birth of children? Divorces? Weddings?
So many choices!
I guess you missed this part
Games Workshop trade account orders placed through the web store
Kanluwen wrote: If a LGS has "direct only" items sitting on their shelves, it means someone ordered it and never collected/paid for it.
Because otherwise--direct only items aren't sitting on their shelves. Even GW shops don't have those items.
Talking about normal items sitting on stockist shelves, ...no need to be disingenuous.
Because you're not getting this mini from buying that stuff are you?
Kanluwen wrote: If a LGS has "direct only" items sitting on their shelves, it means someone ordered it and never collected/paid for it.
Because otherwise--direct only items aren't sitting on their shelves. Even GW shops don't have those items.
Talking about normal items sitting on stockist shelves, ...no need to be disingenuous.
Not once in this discussion have I been disingenuous. You've continually moved goalposts, however, and ignored or misrepresented statements.
I've made it abundantly clear that one should consider Direct Only items for this.
Because you're not getting this mini from buying that stuff are you?
You are if you have them place an order for it.
You know that places will do that, right?
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Jarms48 wrote: Love how it says 2020 on the sprue. They've literally been holding this to find a use for it.
Yes, that happens sometimes.
The Catachan Colonel that they gave away as a promotional thing for independent shops to sell/raffle/auction was labeled as a Store Anniversary miniature while Sergeant "Ripper" Jackson was a Store Opening miniature.
It's been a long time since this old gag has appeared on Dakka, but I really think the title for this pic should be:
"Space Marines! HURR!!!"
I'll leave now...
When I see this I only see missed oportunities. I mean, the characters are allready monopose with 0 options anyway.
So why not make more complex and interesting poses? I'm not talking about dioramas. But poses of fighting.
Spoiler:
Something like that, mid swing, or actually shooting your pistol, running, blocking with your sword, kneel on the ground and praying with your sword, things like that. I know people would complaint "All the grimaldus out there are on one kneel and praying!" but whatever. It would be much more interesting than this.
Characters like Abaddon or Guilliman I can understand, the idea of those big centerpiece models is to show all the detail of the characters and expose how grandiose they are. But this ones are boring captains and litenaunts and mid or low-tier characters.
Kanluwen wrote: If a LGS has "direct only" items sitting on their shelves, it means someone ordered it and never collected/paid for it.
Because otherwise--direct only items aren't sitting on their shelves. Even GW shops don't have those items.
Talking about normal items sitting on stockist shelves, ...no need to be disingenuous.
Not once in this discussion have I been disingenuous. You've continually moved goalposts, however, and ignored or misrepresented statements.
I stand by my comments of this being a pathetic cynical anti-consumer anti competitive FOMO driven tactic.
It's pathetic.
If you're expecting me to buy into your half baked apologetics you're in for a real shock
Calling this abortion from GW pro-consumer is an absolute joke
But you're wrong. It's literally not anti consumer or anti competitive - and a 4 week window without restriction on numbers can hardly be described as FOMO.
What you mean is you don't like the structure of the promotion and you're throwing out terms you don't understand because you think it adds weight to your argument.
It's been a long time since this old gag has appeared on Dakka, but I really think the title for this pic should be:
"Space Marines! HURR!!!"
I'll leave now...
The list isn't even complete. We got the primaris lieutenant that was introduced in that box vs eldar. Soul something? I bet there are a few more primaris models that can join the ensemble
It's been a long time since this old gag has appeared on Dakka, but I really think the title for this pic should be:
"Space Marines! HURR!!!"
I'll leave now...
The list isn't even complete. We got the primaris lieutenant that was introduced in that box vs eldar. Soul something? I bet there are a few more primaris models that can join the ensemble
LOL! And they all have the same pose.
What an overpriced dumpster fire.
It's been a long time since this old gag has appeared on Dakka, but I really think the title for this pic should be:
"Space Marines! HURR!!!"
I'll leave now...
The list isn't even complete. We got the primaris lieutenant that was introduced in that box vs eldar. Soul something? I bet there are a few more primaris models that can join the ensemble
LOL! And they all have the same pose.
What an overpriced dumpster fire.
In a degree of fairness to GW, both the Blood Angel and Chaplain Pimpcane are mirrored from their actual pose, though I think the other four are correct. There's also this Lieutenant who seems to fit in with those four, though.
I made an order of direct items and a gang hideout in stock, and got this guy as a result. My condolences to the people who were personally offended by this bonus sculpt offer.
MajorWesJanson wrote: I made an order of direct items and a gang hideout in stock, and got this guy as a result. My condolences to the people who were personally offended by this bonus sculpt offer.
Well as you mock people, can I ask you sincerely, did you jump through a $420 AUD or $510 NZD hoop to get it?
Btw, $510 NZD = 484 AUD
Kiwis getting screwed even more than us....
Go on...explain why GW needs a massive amount of extra cash to throw in a 10 cent sprue to kiwis and aussies
Helps if you understand what people are actually annoyed about... you know, these things called principles
MajorWesJanson wrote: I made an order of direct items and a gang hideout in stock, and got this guy as a result. My condolences to the people who were personally offended by this bonus sculpt offer.
Well as you mock people, can I ask you sincerely, did you jump through a $420 AUD or $510 NZD hoop to get it?
Btw, $510 NZD = 484 AUD
Kiwis getting screwed even more than us....
Go on...explain why GW needs a massive amount of extra cash to throw in a 10 cent sprue to kiwis and aussies
Helps if you understand what people are actually annoyed about... you know, these things called principles
I fully agree that the GW "exchange rates" are painfully stupid, especially for Aus and NZ. US suffers less, but still is artificially high. This particular model offer doesn't actually make that nonsense any worse, beyond drawing attention to GWs alternate pricing. And it is still a far better release method than things like the hoops to jump through to get the first plastic terminator chaplain or the geographically locked models like the only physically sold at warhammer world exclusives.
MajorWesJanson wrote: I made an order of direct items and a gang hideout in stock, and got this guy as a result. My condolences to the people who were personally offended by this bonus sculpt offer.
Well as you mock people, can I ask you sincerely, did you jump through a $420 AUD or $510 NZD hoop to get it?
Btw, $510 NZD = 484 AUD
Kiwis getting screwed even more than us....
Go on...explain why GW needs a massive amount of extra cash to throw in a 10 cent sprue to kiwis and aussies
Helps if you understand what people are actually annoyed about... you know, these things called principles
I fully agree that the GW "exchange rates" are painfully stupid, especially for Aus and NZ. US suffers less, but still is artificially high. This particular model offer doesn't actually make that nonsense any worse, beyond drawing attention to GWs alternate pricing. And it is still a far better release method than things like the hoops to jump through to get the first plastic terminator chaplain or the geographically locked models like the only physically sold at warhammer world exclusives.
MajorWesJanson wrote: I made an order of direct items and a gang hideout in stock, and got this guy as a result. My condolences to the people who were personally offended by this bonus sculpt offer.
Well as you mock people, can I ask you sincerely, did you jump through a $420 AUD or $510 NZD hoop to get it?
Btw, $510 NZD = 484 AUD
Kiwis getting screwed even more than us....
Go on...explain why GW needs a massive amount of extra cash to throw in a 10 cent sprue to kiwis and aussies
Helps if you understand what people are actually annoyed about... you know, these things called principles
I fully agree that the GW "exchange rates" are painfully stupid, especially for Aus and NZ. US suffers less, but still is artificially high. This particular model offer doesn't actually make that nonsense any worse, beyond drawing attention to GWs alternate pricing. And it is still a far better release method than things like the hoops to jump through to get the first plastic terminator chaplain or the geographically locked models like the only physically sold at warhammer world exclusives.
It shows you how GW treats its customers.
Like utter gak
Even over a supposed gratis (trap) item.
Buddy, let it go, please.
You've already referred to the Sgt Castus promotion as an "abortion". It's clear that you can't be rational about it.
I mean, it's very similar to the 90's Skullz promotion, where you are able to get exclusive minis if you spend over a certain amount. Did the Skullz promotion make you just as mad (assuming that you were aware of it)?
You are aware that you don't have to participate? If you prefer to shop via third parties (and get any associated discount) you can obviously keep on doing this.
MajorWesJanson wrote: I made an order of direct items and a gang hideout in stock, and got this guy as a result. My condolences to the people who were personally offended by this bonus sculpt offer.
Well as you mock people, can I ask you sincerely, did you jump through a $420 AUD or $510 NZD hoop to get it?
Btw, $510 NZD = 484 AUD
Kiwis getting screwed even more than us....
Go on...explain why GW needs a massive amount of extra cash to throw in a 10 cent sprue to kiwis and aussies
Helps if you understand what people are actually annoyed about... you know, these things called principles
I fully agree that the GW "exchange rates" are painfully stupid, especially for Aus and NZ. US suffers less, but still is artificially high. This particular model offer doesn't actually make that nonsense any worse, beyond drawing attention to GWs alternate pricing. And it is still a far better release method than things like the hoops to jump through to get the first plastic terminator chaplain or the geographically locked models like the only physically sold at warhammer world exclusives.
It shows you how GW treats its customers.
Like utter gak
Even over a supposed gratis (trap) item.
Buddy, let it go, please.
You've already referred to the Sgt Castus promotion as an "abortion". It's clear that you can't be rational about it.
I mean, it's very similar to the 90's Skullz promotion, where you are able to get exclusive minis if you spend over a certain amount. Did the Skullz promotion make you just as mad (assuming that you were aware of it)?
You are aware that you don't have to participate? If you prefer to shop via third parties (and get any associated discount) you can obviously keep on doing this.
I do remember skulz but I also remember getting free minis in White dwarf. I remember hand writing letters to GW and getting sent free minis for my enthusiasm.
I like the bit where you ignored the fact that we are third class consumers. Whether we participate or not. Be rational about that.
I mean, it's very similar to the 90's Skullz promotion, where you are able to get exclusive minis if you spend over a certain amount. Did the Skullz promotion make you just as mad (assuming that you were aware of it)?
I like how you show how GW has gone downhill
Compare all that choice to this dumb sppeeeez mahreen
Although... the skulls card had some slots pre-filled, so you didn't actually need to spend £250, and it wasn't anything like as FOMO time limited as Castus.
There were also other models available (maybe a different run of the promotion?) - I know that the Imperial Assassin, Great Harlequin, and Freebooter Kaptin were all available for 10 skulls.
This sounds more like a case of a made to order deal where they got people to unload $240 for them to make x amount of this guy. Not sure I'm buying the "we ran out" spiel.
Certainly not angry as others are, he's literally a throw away take it or leave it character. Cool if you're gonna spend this much anyway, no big deal if you weren't.
I actually did get this model as I needed some attack bikes which are mostly direct now and a redemptor. Added a couple things that I expected to buy over the next month or so (Deathshroud terms, Celestine) and used my $10 voucher (which for some reason became a $16 voucher) from Warhammer+ purchase.
Honestly, don't care that much about the model, he'll probably get blinged out a little and go in my Deathwatch, but could easily do that with a regular Primaris marine.
Although... the skulls card had some slots pre-filled, so you didn't actually need to spend £250, and it wasn't anything like as FOMO time limited as Castus.
There were also other models available (maybe a different run of the promotion?) - I know that the Imperial Assassin, Great Harlequin, and Freebooter Kaptin were all available for 10 skulls.
Either way, when you take inflation into account you had to spend more on the Skullz promotion than on the current promotion.
It helps though that the skullz probably could be accumulated. Like you don't need to spend 250 in one sitting to get the model, you could spend it over several weeks or months even.
That's one of the issues with Castus. $240 at one time is tough, even for GW products
£250 when you compare to a lot of loyalty programs from bigger stores is actually quite good
A lot of supermarkets give you 1p for every £1 which means £100 = £1.
So for GW you're paying equivalent of £2.50 for the model in comparable loyalty. And that's from big supermarkets and the like who have vastly higher profits and guaranteed sales (people gotta have food).
The issue is indeed that its a £250 in one month in one big go, that I do agree is a steep cost for a monthly reward.
I dont have a problem of them doing this limited time promo fig you you spend X amount as a loyalty gift for those who choose to use GW Online store... But during that dropping the ball and saying sorry we cannot honour that since its sold out is not cool in my books.
bullyboy wrote: This sounds more like a case of a made to order deal where they got people to unload $240 for them to make x amount of this guy. Not sure I'm buying the "we ran out" spiel.
Running out doesn't sound out of the ordinary to me. GW calculates the promotion is profitable if they get a certain amount of sales out of it, and make an amount of promotional models that is greater than the minimum they need to make for it to be profitable on its own and smaller than the number of maximum sales they reasonably expect from the promotion. They underestimate how well the promotion is received* but can't change the terms halfway through, so they have to do another run to fulfill their obligation.
*feel free to swap that reason for your favorite tinfoil hat theory if you prefer
bullyboy wrote: ... my $10 voucher (which for some reason became a $16 voucher) from Warhammer+ purchase.
NAVARRO wrote: I dont have a problem of them doing this limited time promo fig you you spend X amount as a loyalty gift for those who choose to use GW Online store... But during that dropping the ball and saying sorry we cannot honour that since its sold out is not cool in my books.
I don't think that they have said they are not going to honour the deal?
It's my understanding that they have temporarily run out, and will be supplying any more at a later date.
NAVARRO wrote: I dont have a problem of them doing this limited time promo fig you you spend X amount as a loyalty gift for those who choose to use GW Online store... But during that dropping the ball and saying sorry we cannot honour that since its sold out is not cool in my books.
So... I just got mine today, in a box that wasn't plastic sealed for some reason, so I decided to check the inside and look at what I found there:
He is basically a Intercessor sergeant, on a 50mm (!) base, with +3 wounds and +1 save.
Since when thos kind of commemorative characters come with their own very non standard datasheets and does it means that this will be match played legal (when, or if we ever get his point cost?)
Ngl, I'm still scratching my head over that 2+ save.
(HN) wrote: Ngl, I'm still scratching my head over that 2+ save.
Isn't 2+ save just a standard artificer armour, something that was once available to all sergeants?
And really, in a world with orkstodes and W2 squats running around, these are about the stats veteran primaris sergeant halfway to lieutenant should have according to fluff. The whole point of 3 new organs was to make primaris more durable, something 8th edition writers did try to include giving primaris range its own playstyle niche that didn't exist before. Pity whoever butchered 9th edition SM book completely dropped ball on this one...
NAVARRO wrote: I dont have a problem of them doing this limited time promo fig you you spend X amount as a loyalty gift for those who choose to use GW Online store... But during that dropping the ball and saying sorry we cannot honour that since its sold out is not cool in my books.
They’ll still fulfil it, folk just need to wait.
Limited edition but "made to order".
Waiting is fun also. Knowing you were baited by a company that didn't bother to produce and warehouse the promotional limited time item is a good look for the company.
I know this is the first time I've seen anything from the datasheet with the model, so the rules can hardly have been an influence on any purchase decisions.
Someone might want to ask GW a general "WTF?" about that statline, though.
I've got mine already, pulled it out since it wasn't wrapped, but didn't notice that stat line since I was just admiring the sprue and being surprised it can with a transfer sheet. Is that stat line for Kill Team? I'm not yet familiar with KT rules, but that certainly looks pretty good.
I know this is the first time I've seen anything from the datasheet with the model, so the rules can hardly have been an influence on any purchase decisions.
Someone might want to ask GW a general "WTF?" about that statline, though.
Right....so the fact that GW is covertly rewarding people won't influence future behaviour of consumers
Interesting theory.
Covertly rewarding people? Let's not be quite so melodramatic.
For anyone who has Castus already, can the two grasping Necrons be left off the base and put onto their own bases without messing up Castus' base too much?
Just want to point out that people are selling Castus for the relatively "low" scalper price of $65 on ebay.
I mean, a little less than double what the model is probably worth, but still not terrible, for this hobby and for what exclusive models tend to fetch on ebay. I've yet to pull trig, but at least there are ways to get him without having to spend exuberant amounts of money (though in that case, you do get him free...)
For anyone who has Castus already, can the two grasping Necrons be left off the base and put onto their own bases without messing up Castus' base too much?
Spoiler:
You could do without the necrons fine, but there's some necron bits moulded on the base still.
The good news is that he had both his feet flat on the ground at the same level, which mean he should fit perfectly fine on a standard base without his massive ruble pile.
Edit: btw just noticed that 2020 mark on the sprue. This thing was 100% designed at the same time than Indomitus.
Dysartes wrote: *cough*
Someone might want to ask GW a general "WTF?" about that statline, though.
Isn't 2+ save just a standard artificer armour, something that was once available to all sergeants?
The thing is, he really doesn't have a special armor at all, quite the opposite actually since he is just in a standard, damaged, intercessor armour.
Btw, still looking for an answer about that datasheet.
Do you think it's going to be match play (and tourny) legal? Has GW done special wonkey statlines for comemorative minies like that before?
Captain Centos had rules, so there's precedent. Though, I imagine it's usually just for friendly games, and not intended for tournament play. Though it's still a legit GW model, so maybe you can field it
The thing is, as long as we dont have the points, keywords or frankly anything outside of the stats it's barely usable...
They could release thos via WD or the community site.... but that's going to be a hela uncomfortable blog to write.
"Here's the rules for that mini you can't have anymore, that was paywalled behind a ridiculous amount, looks like yet another standard primaris, comes with a highly unusual base size that clearly push him in the "display" category rather than something meant to be played with and have a statline that could be resumed as "lul random"."
(HN) wrote: The thing is, as long as we dont have the points, keywords or frankly anything outside of the stats it's barely usable...
Yeah you're right. I mean, the 'get you by' rules in the assembly instructions are hardly even that, given that they just give a statline and weapons, but they always exist in tandem with an actual data sheet for the unit itself.
This guy doesn't have one though - as far as we know - so... what's going on here?
Bold Predition: Codex Supplement: Ultramarines (2nd Edition) will be coming soon, and include him. Because of this the Tyranid, Eldar, and Tau Codices have been delayed, and the Chaos Space Marine book has been cancelled until 11th Edition 40k.
I mean, it's very similar to the 90's Skullz promotion, where you are able to get exclusive minis if you spend over a certain amount. Did the Skullz promotion make you just as mad (assuming that you were aware of it)?
I like how you show how GW has gone downhill
Spoiler:
Compare all that choice to this dumb sppeeeez mahreen
You have the first half of the second showing
Skullz early 1
I do have those Tech-Priests though. And that Marine Ancient.
It's missing the 5 cost ones, which included the RT-era Assassin mini.
What possible use could you have for that scenery pack?
Well, enough procrastinating. After six months away from home with hardly any money spent on any wargaming goodness, I reckon I can easily bang out another two £150 orders.
After recently re-watching Return Of The King, a nice Pelennor themed collection is calling. Who doesn't like horses vs giant elephants?
alphaecho wrote: What possible use could you have for that scenery pack?
You know who you're talking to, right?
But seriously, most of my trees are that type of trees. I have a stack of those ruins. The obstacles are always useful, and the "battlefield accessory kit" is just fantastic. Hell, two weekends ago I used most of the last one I still had on the sprue in a big building I'm making.
alphaecho wrote: What possible use could you have for that scenery pack?
You know who you're talking to, right?
But seriously, most of my trees are that type of trees. I have a stack of those ruins. The obstacles are always useful, and the "battlefield accessory kit" is just fantastic. Hell, two weekends ago I used most of the last one I still had on the sprue in a big building I'm making.
It was either that or "I never knew you had a set of Skullz Tech-Priests".
The lack of space led to me moving them on but the accessory sprue turning up in a copy of Warhammer Conquest was a blast from the past. It must be one of the oldest plastic sets still on the go.
Oh man - those Skull Promos were brilliant. I got the bolter key ring, the Marine Standard Bearer and a paint set. They have never topped that - they really should bring it back.
Chikout wrote: Well Castus has sold out, so the tactic worked I guess.
Will the "It's not FOMO" crowd like some closing remarks?
Well howabout FOMO not being applicable because you literally cannot miss out if you want it?
People are stupidly blaming FOMO on everything even when FOMO doesn't apply
What I find is funny how people can get offended about free model. Lol. This can be literally free without losing any money compared to alternative if you so choose. And yet people just have to invent reasons to get angry
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NAVARRO wrote: I dont have a problem of them doing this limited time promo fig you you spend X amount as a loyalty gift for those who choose to use GW Online store... But during that dropping the ball and saying sorry we cannot honour that since its sold out is not cool in my books.
Uuuhh...how are they not honouring it if you get it?
You expect them to overproduce way more than they need just to ensure they don't run out and have to make more?
That's...not reasonable.
Shock horror they don't have infinite supply and don't make more by snapping finger. You DO know right that models aren't made by snapping finger and get 10000 more don't you?
I have discussed how ridiculous I think this model is before. However, I am getting it for free, because I wanted to finish off a knight force I want to convert up for a modelling project and it happened to end up over the amount (woot?).
I actually think I will convert him crushed by one of their feet (or maybe dying on the base, idk still thinking), makes it memorable to me (over a standard primaris with minimal conversion????, lol).
If you’re doing a qualifying spend solely to get that model? Yeah. Get your bumps felt. Pretty models are nice, but give your head a wobble all the same.
If like me a qualifying spend is kinda your hobby budget for the month, and you’re going to be buying anyways? Then he’s a proper freebie.
That's why it's kind of good he's pretty generic. Like, you would probably hope for a much more unique model with the price you need to pay for him.
But on the other hand, if you don't get him, it's not like a huge deal. Battle damage can be replicated with a hobby knife, the dead necron base is cool but not impossible to replicate, etc.
I wonder if more people would have gone for it if they had made it that warhammer+ Vindicare instead
If you’re doing a qualifying spend solely to get that model? Yeah. Get your bumps felt. Pretty models are nice, but give your head a wobble all the same.
If like me a qualifying spend is kinda your hobby budget for the month, and you’re going to be buying anyways? Then he’s a proper freebie.
This is it basically, even if you set out to get him, he still is free comparatively as long as you buy stuff you want/need alongside him.
Would people be more excited about this model if there was a hardcover, limited edition, mediocre novella about the character's heroic last stand against the Necrons on world XX915 Genericus? A story that described how resolved, hardened, and devoted to the Emperor that Sgt. Castus was, and how it took 20+ Necrons fighting dirty to finally bring him down, and when they finally did, he spat in their grimy metal faces and detonated a nuclear bomb that took out half the planet and 2/3 of the Necron invading army? A story that had dream sequences where Castus was a living pawn on a galactic regicide board, moved by the Emperor's hand, wisdom, and sheer force of psychic will to sacrifice himself for a perpetual, Pyrrhic stalemate? A story that can't be missed because it has crucial revelations for the overarching franchise metaplot, because Castus is revealed to be a clone of Loken, housing the reincarnated spirit of Vulkan, and the twin brother of Malcador's great great grandson? A story told by an underpaid idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing?
GaroRobe wrote: That's why it's kind of good he's pretty generic. Like, you would probably hope for a much more unique model with the price you need to pay for him.
But on the other hand, if you don't get him, it's not like a huge deal. Battle damage can be replicated with a hobby knife, the dead necron base is cool but not impossible to replicate, etc.
Exactly right. If he had some sort of unique weapons loadout you couldn't get anywhere else, that would be predatory. But he's just a beat-up Intercessor sergeant on a cool base.
GaroRobe wrote: I wonder if more people would have gone for it if they had made it that warhammer+ Vindicare instead
I'm not sure. There's a functional difference between the assassin as a self-contained unit and a lone sergeant without his squad that may be a consideration, but both models share the design of an extravagant base with the actual dude being as generic as it gets. During discussions of Warhammer+ there have been a number of people saying while the model is nice, they have all the Vindicares they'll ever need, that it doesn't look different enough from the regular model, and so on.
I don't think you'll easily get past the point that the actual dude doesn't stand out and that this impacts how attractive the model and attached deal are. GW already made sure it was a Marine to sell to the largest group in their customer base. I don't know if the novelty of a temple assassin would outweigh the downside of following the same, easily criticized design philosophy.
Compared to for instance making a female Vindicare (or Culexus, Eversor or male Callidus) that would at least offer something visibly different, a nice base on a generic model isn't that much of a selling point.
Vermonter wrote: Would people be more excited about this model if there was a hardcover, limited edition, mediocre novella about the character's heroic last stand against the Necrons on world XX915 Genericus? A story that described how resolved, hardened, and devoted to the Emperor that Sgt. Castus was, and how it took 20+ Necrons fighting dirty to finally bring him down, and when they finally did, he spat in their grimy metal faces and detonated a nuclear bomb that took out half the planet and 2/3 of the Necron invading army? A story that had dream sequences where Castus was a living pawn on a galactic regicide board, moved by the Emperor's hand, wisdom, and sheer force of psychic will to sacrifice himself for a perpetual, Pyrrhic stalemate? A story that can't be missed because it has crucial revelations for the overarching franchise metaplot, because Castus is revealed to be a clone of Loken, housing the reincarnated spirit of Vulkan, and the twin brother of Malcador's great great grandson? A story told by an underpaid idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing?
Phrased like that, likely not to any notable extent.
Without he heavy bias, yes, obviously existing fiction that people emotionally connect with has positive impact on sales of models based on it. It's not guaranteed that such a model would end up as a generic Primaris Sergeant, though, given authors tend to like making their protagonists stand out in heroic fiction.
Vermonter wrote: A story told by an underpaid idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing?
Some of the voice actors are really excellent, it's not their fault the source material is so mediocre to awful. When you get a good actor reading a great story it actually works out pretty well (eg John Banks reading Chris Wraight).
For 1 million purchases from new website, I think went with a marine because is there biggest seller over the years and they went with generic because that's what marines are...generic.
What I would have hoped for... the last dying first born that has the most exotic weapons ever (would be a nod to how many first born marines are going out of existence...)
The idea of blowing 400+ bucks on Warhammer in a single purchase is so strange to me. Is there any bulk discount applied or something? Seems like such an unneccessary risk if there isn't.
The final time I gave up smoking I decided to funnel all the money I saved into hobby stuff to help me stay on track for a year, so for 12 months straight I spent £300 a month (£10 daily saving) on GW stuff. Built up pretty fast, takes up a lot of space now.
BertBert wrote: The idea of blowing 400+ bucks on Warhammer in a single purchase is so strange to me. Is there any bulk discount applied or something? Seems like such an unneccessary risk if there isn't.
There's no bulk discounts through the webstore. I believe some individual store managers might have some degree of flexibility if you make a big purchase directly in a store, but it can't be through the console (ergo the website). And considering the nature of the products you might have to spend a LOT to get any kind of store discount etc...
That said what's the risk? Buying $500 of GW models is no different to buying a new $1K computer or a $500 graphics card or expensive clothes or books from Amazon or anything else from a major online retailer these days.
Personally I have spent as much and more in one go at GW, but it is very rare. In my case I'd sold a bunch of models and basically walked into the local store on a hte stores birthday to get the free bag and other items whilst buying a larger bunch of Ossiarchs in one go. It's not common and not something I did on a total whim (it took a while to sell the stuff and even then it was simply the happy coincidence that the store birthday was on the pre-order launch day for the Ossiarch force).
Heck there are some designer resin models that can easily cost £200-300 on the market from other stores (got my eye on that Necromancer dragon from Creature Caster)
BertBert wrote: The idea of blowing 400+ bucks on Warhammer in a single purchase is so strange to me. Is there any bulk discount applied or something? Seems like such an unneccessary risk if there isn't.
What risk is there? I do orders like that often and never had a problem for like 20 years or so? Never seen a bulk discount, but I remember years ago they use to offer like an amount of left over bits for every xxx spent, and I got so much good bits box gak was awesome... wish they would do that again.
BertBert wrote: The idea of blowing 400+ bucks on Warhammer in a single purchase is so strange to me. Is there any bulk discount applied or something? Seems like such an unneccessary risk if there isn't.
That said what's the risk? Buying $500 of GW models is no different to buying a new $1K computer or a $500 graphics card or expensive clothes or books from Amazon or anything else from a major online retailer these days.
There is quite the difference, especially with GPUs, as they tend to retain their value or even rise in value depending on availability. With Wargaming, I've made the experience that sometimes, halfway through a larger project or even a single kit, I discover that I'm not all that excited about it anymore. Maybe the miniatures turned out to look or build differently than expected, or maybe the novelty just wore off. Might be just me, but whenever that happens, I'm usually glad I didn't commit to a larger purchase. That doesn't happen with a computer either, as the enjoyment usually doesn't hinge on mood or hype or aesthetic notions but rather on its functionality, which is constant and easy to predict. Point being, to me there is no downside to a more conservative purchasing behaviour if there is no significant incentive involved (like large shipping costs, discounts etc.).
BertBert wrote: The idea of blowing 400+ bucks on Warhammer in a single purchase is so strange to me. Is there any bulk discount applied or something? Seems like such an unneccessary risk if there isn't.
That said what's the risk? Buying $500 of GW models is no different to buying a new $1K computer or a $500 graphics card or expensive clothes or books from Amazon or anything else from a major online retailer these days.
There is quite the difference, especially with GPUs, as they tend to retain their value or even rise in value depending on availability. With Wargaming, I've made the experience that sometimes, halfway through a larger project or even a single kit, I discover that I'm not all that excited about it anymore. Maybe the miniatures turned out to look or build differently than expected, or maybe the novelty just wore off. Might be just me, but whenever that happens, I'm usually glad I didn't commit to a larger purchase. That doesn't happen with a computer either, as the enjoyment usually doesn't hinge on mood or hype or aesthetic notions but rather on its functionality, which is constant and easy to predict. Point being, to me there is no downside to a more conservative purchasing behaviour if there is no significant incentive involved (like large shipping costs, discounts etc.).
Ah you meant personal risk as opposed to financial or ordering risk or such. I think that just comes down to the individual. Burn out happens, but at the same time it doesn't. IT really depends on how you engage with your hobby and draw fun from it. IT can also hinge on how you react to when you don't get fun. Some people (mentally or through financial pressures) will dump things that don't immediately interest them to focus on other things. Others are happy to put aside some models that don't interest them and will return to them again in a few weeks/months/whenever.
In general GW models are a SAFE investment wargaming wise in that most armies don't lose anything much over the years. Broadly speaking models retain their capacity to work - sure new sculpts are often better and weapon options do change and base sizes can. Some of those can be fixed with changing the base size (strip and rebuild or base attachments); with proxying and such. The only time that really messed up for a main game (ergo not a side game) was when GW blew up the Old World and started AoS and that was a vast insane exception that was founded basically on bad management.
Ah you meant personal risk as opposed to financial or ordering risk or such. I think that just comes down to the individual. Burn out happens, but at the same time it doesn't. IT really depends on how you engage with your hobby and draw fun from it. IT can also hinge on how you react to when you don't get fun. Some people (mentally or through financial pressures) will dump things that don't immediately interest them to focus on other things. Others are happy to put aside some models that don't interest them and will return to them again in a few weeks/months/whenever.
In general GW models are a SAFE investment wargaming wise in that most armies don't lose anything much over the years. Broadly speaking models retain their capacity to work - sure new sculpts are often better and weapon options do change and base sizes can. Some of those can be fixed with changing the base size (strip and rebuild or base attachments); with proxying and such. The only time that really messed up for a main game (ergo not a side game) was when GW blew up the Old World and started AoS and that was a vast insane exception that was founded basically on bad management.
Absolutely, it's down to the individual and I know I have changed my approach to wargaming several times over the years. I just wanted to make sure to understand the reasoning behind it and that I hadn't missed something important.
BertBert wrote: The idea of blowing 400+ bucks on Warhammer in a single purchase is so strange to me. Is there any bulk discount applied or something? Seems like such an unneccessary risk if there isn't.
It’s…somewhat common for me.
The most I’ve ever spent in one sitting was, without a lie, around £3,000.00.
That was of course quite the extravagance. And I don’t spend £150+ every month. I’m currently on a proper project, going for a super duper Zone Mortalis board.
And as ever, I can only speak for the relative depth of my pockets. This shouldn’t be taken as some kinda weird flex.
BertBert wrote: The idea of blowing 400+ bucks on Warhammer in a single purchase is so strange to me. Is there any bulk discount applied or something? Seems like such an unneccessary risk if there isn't.
It’s…somewhat common for me.
The most I’ve ever spent in one sitting was, without a lie, around £3,000.00.
That was of course quite the extravagance. And I don’t spend £150+ every month. I’m currently on a proper project, going for a super duper Zone Mortalis board.
And as ever, I can only speak for the relative depth of my pockets. This shouldn’t be taken as some kinda weird flex.
Sorry to pry but curious what the big order was for, it feels warlord-ish? In price. Obviously your personal business so feel free not to share.
BertBert wrote: The idea of blowing 400+ bucks on Warhammer in a single purchase is so strange to me. Is there any bulk discount applied or something? Seems like such an unneccessary risk if there isn't.
I'll be honest, the only reason why I get my Castus was because I was getting the Black templar box anyway, so I just had to slap something on top of it (in that case a primaris chaplain on bike, because there was 100% chance that thing will get useful in that army) and a random paint was enough to reach the mark.
Without the BT box? Yeah, probably wouldn't have blown that much on it.
BertBert wrote: The idea of blowing 400+ bucks on Warhammer in a single purchase is so strange to me. Is there any bulk discount applied or something? Seems like such an unneccessary risk if there isn't.
I'll be honest, the only reason why I get my Castus was because I was getting the Black templar box anyway, so I just had to slap something on top of it (in that case a primaris chaplain on bike, because there was 100% chance that thing will get useful in that army) and a random paint was enough to reach the mark.
Without the BT box? Yeah, probably wouldn't have blown that much on it.
It seems very likely that this promotion was timed for exactly this reason - an excuse for people to add 'just one more thing' to the box of Templars they were already getting. I would not be surprised if we see a similar promotion around the next army box - eg a slightly fancier berzerker on top of a pile of bodies when the World Eaters box drops.
GaroRobe wrote: That would actually be a much more unique model and I could see there being a bigger uproar about it.
Uproar? Uproar!
"Hey, we're getting our first new Battle Sister in almost fifteen years! She's resin and a commemorative model and we get to keep using our ancient metal models for another decade! Yay!"
Insert swears, death threats and references to the "current" Khorne Bezerker kit as needed.
GaroRobe wrote: That would actually be a much more unique model and I could see there being a bigger uproar about it.
Uproar? Uproar!
"Hey, we're getting our first new Battle Sister in almost fifteen years! She's resin and a commemorative model and we get to keep using our ancient metal models for another decade! Yay!"
Insert swears, death threats and references to the "current" Khorne Bezerker kit as needed.
You'll get your finecast Veridyan model and you'll like it.
It seems very likely that this promotion was timed for exactly this reason - an excuse for people to add 'just one more thing' to the box of Templars they were already getting. I would not be surprised if we see a similar promotion around the next army box - eg a slightly fancier berzerker on top of a pile of bodies when the World Eaters box drops.
Exactly. I wouldn't be surprised if they did that ... well every time from now on.
And the more I think about it, the more I'm convinced that the Blanchetsu Castellan they shown, the one that is only shown once, in the background a giant army shot in the book, was meant to be some kind of promotional mini at first, probably this year game's day 40k mini... or some kind of incentive for the BT box.
On thing is sure tho, Castus was made at the same time than Idomitus, it has the same date printed on the sprue, and having "the guy from that 9th ed intro" at the time made sens, but they just kept it for a rainy day "which came today (and since there's still BT box on shelf I'd say that was not nearly enough to sell that frankly underwhelming box).
NAVARRO wrote: I dont have a problem of them doing this limited time promo fig you you spend X amount as a loyalty gift for those who choose to use GW Online store... But during that dropping the ball and saying sorry we cannot honour that since its sold out is not cool in my books.
They’ll still fulfil it, folk just need to wait.
Limited edition but "made to order".
Waiting is fun also. Knowing you were baited by a company that didn't bother to produce and warehouse the promotional limited time item is a good look for the company.
The FOMO is strong in this one
There's no FOMO. You literally cannot FOMO something that isn't going to MO.
NAVARRO wrote: I dont have a problem of them doing this limited time promo fig you you spend X amount as a loyalty gift for those who choose to use GW Online store... But during that dropping the ball and saying sorry we cannot honour that since its sold out is not cool in my books.
They’ll still fulfil it, folk just need to wait.
Limited edition but "made to order".
Waiting is fun also. Knowing you were baited by a company that didn't bother to produce and warehouse the promotional limited time item is a good look for the company.
The FOMO is strong in this one
There's no FOMO. You literally cannot FOMO something that isn't going to MO.
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Honestly out of interest, why would you buy the second order from GW (and get another Castus) as opposed to purchasing from a retailer who offers the standard 20% discount?
It's your money and your decision but I would be going down the save a bit of cash route the second time... I actually find it perplexing that some do order straight from GW (unless it is obviously something they only sell themselves).
Anyway, just interested in the though process more than anything.
endlesswaltz123 wrote: Honestly out of interest, why would you buy the second order from GW (and get another Castus) as opposed to purchasing from a retailer who offers the standard 20% discount?
I've asked a similar question. Then again, he did sell his first Castus...
Honestly out of interest, why would you buy the second order from GW (and get another Castus) as opposed to purchasing from a retailer who offers the standard 20% discount?
It's your money and your decision but I would be going down the save a bit of cash route the second time... I actually find it perplexing that some do order straight from GW (unless it is obviously something they only sell themselves).
Anyway, just interested in the though process more than anything.
For me, I have Ultramarines and Silver Templars Primaris forces. Why not have the same model in both?
Honestly out of interest, why would you buy the second order from GW (and get another Castus) as opposed to purchasing from a retailer who offers the standard 20% discount?
It's your money and your decision but I would be going down the save a bit of cash route the second time... I actually find it perplexing that some do order straight from GW (unless it is obviously something they only sell themselves).
Anyway, just interested in the though process more than anything.
I’ll be selling both on. The comparative saving (including the £10 e-voucher I qualified for by signing up to Warhammer+), based on selling each model for £21 is about the same as I get from Element. Plus for stuff like Necromunda Terrain, GW are just more likely to have what I wants in stock.
This saves me money in a roundabout kind of way, and gets the exclusive model to someone who really wants it, but can’t afford the qualifying spend. Basically everyone wins. I save money, GW get my money, and someone else gets a nice a model they might not have been able to otherwise.
And yeah, once it arrives I’ll be putting it up in the Loot Group, alongside my remaining Imperium exclusive Captain. Ideally for folk who would struggle to get either (such as the many places Imperium isn’t sold or will be sold, and the many places where GW’s exchange rate is……shall we say wonky?)
Automatically Appended Next Post: Also, I feel I should stress that I’d been planning to get the additional stuff for Necromunda anyway. Really it’s mostly just good fortune that a couple of bits came back in stock during this promotion. So this isn’t some panic or induced purchase. It’s all stuff I needed/wanted (delete to your preference) anyway.
Such as the sodding floor tiles, which are a devil to get hold of!
Honestly out of interest, why would you buy the second order from GW (and get another Castus) as opposed to purchasing from a retailer who offers the standard 20% discount?
It's your money and your decision but I would be going down the save a bit of cash route the second time... I actually find it perplexing that some do order straight from GW (unless it is obviously something they only sell themselves).
Anyway, just interested in the though process more than anything.
I’ll be selling both on. The comparative saving (including the £10 e-voucher I qualified for by signing up to Warhammer+), based on selling each model for £21 is about the same as I get from Element. Plus for stuff like Necromunda Terrain, GW are just more likely to have what I wants in stock.
This saves me money in a roundabout kind of way, and gets the exclusive model to someone who really wants it, but can’t afford the qualifying spend. Basically everyone wins. I save money, GW get my money, and someone else gets a nice a model they might not have been able to otherwise.
And yeah, once it arrives I’ll be putting it up in the Loot Group, alongside my remaining Imperium exclusive Captain. Ideally for folk who would struggle to get either (such as the many places Imperium isn’t sold or will be sold, and the many places where GW’s exchange rate is……shall we say wonky?)
Automatically Appended Next Post: Also, I feel I should stress that I’d been planning to get the additional stuff for Necromunda anyway. Really it’s mostly just good fortune that a couple of bits came back in stock during this promotion. So this isn’t some panic or induced purchase. It’s all stuff I needed/wanted (delete to your preference) anyway.
Such as the sodding floor tiles, which are a devil to get hold of!
BertBert wrote: The idea of blowing 400+ bucks on Warhammer in a single purchase is so strange to me. Is there any bulk discount applied or something? Seems like such an unneccessary risk if there isn't.
I'll be honest, the only reason why I get my Castus was because I was getting the Black templar box anyway, so I just had to slap something on top of it (in that case a primaris chaplain on bike, because there was 100% chance that thing will get useful in that army) and a random paint was enough to reach the mark.
Without the BT box? Yeah, probably wouldn't have blown that much on it.
They were obviously expecting many of us to do that...(I did the same by adding Celestine to my order, that I would have buy anyways someday). I wasn't really amazed by Castus, but it's still a pretty cool model and I took the bait.
Given the size of the base, and to not have to decide which SM faction to paint it up for, I think I am going to paint it up as a statue as an objective marker/ terrain piece.
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It's literally in the OP and topic title.
homing in on one particular company?
What other company is there to "home in on" regarding this miniature.
Please do tell
It helps if you quote the entire 1 sentence of that post, it was regards this one miniatire and FOMO and whether you would kick up a fuss at other companies using it as a marketing plan, or if it's just GW.
You miss out after 11:59pm (BST) on the 28th of October 2021
It's literally in the OP and topic title.
homing in on one particular company?
What other company is there to "home in on" regarding this miniature.
Please do tell
It helps if you quote the entire 1 sentence of that post, it was regards this one miniatire and FOMO and whether you would kick up a fuss at other companies using it as a marketing plan, or if it's just GW.
Find an example of nebulous "other company" and I'll respond accordingly. (Good luck with that)
You miss out after 11:59pm (BST) on the 28th of October 2021
It's literally in the OP and topic title.
homing in on one particular company?
What other company is there to "home in on" regarding this miniature.
Please do tell
It helps if you quote the entire 1 sentence of that post, it was regards this one miniatire and FOMO and whether you would kick up a fuss at other companies using it as a marketing plan, or if it's just GW.
Find an example of nebulous "other company" and I'll respond accordingly. (Good luck with that)
I'm sure it was a genuine, honest mistake regarding quote boxes but, as Dudeface pointed out, you missed my actual full question which was:
Do you have a general dislike of FOMO or just like homing in on one particular company?
After all, Kickstarter campaigns generally have a 'FOMO' element, to wit, KS exclusives and stretch goals.
Warlord Games, for example, used to have an exclusive miniature dependent on you buying Rulebooks from them. They also have a monthly 'Supply Box' that, in the case of October, is no longer available because it is a while stocks last offer.
So again, do you have a general dislike of FOMO or is it just aimed at GW offers?
You miss out after 11:59pm (BST) on the 28th of October 2021
It's literally in the OP and topic title.
homing in on one particular company?
What other company is there to "home in on" regarding this miniature.
Please do tell
It helps if you quote the entire 1 sentence of that post, it was regards this one miniatire and FOMO and whether you would kick up a fuss at other companies using it as a marketing plan, or if it's just GW.
Find an example of nebulous "other company" and I'll respond accordingly. (Good luck with that)
I'm sure it was a genuine, honest mistake regarding quote boxes but, as Dudeface pointed out, you missed my actual full question which was:
Do you have a general dislike of FOMO or just like homing in on one particular company?
After all, Kickstarter campaigns generally have a 'FOMO' element, to wit, KS exclusives and stretch goals.
Warlord Games, for example, used to have an exclusive miniature dependent on you buying Rulebooks from them. They also have a monthly 'Supply Box' that, in the case of October, is no longer available because it is a while stocks last offer.
So again, do you have a general dislike of FOMO or is it just aimed at GW offers?
So Warlord has a 3 rulebook set with 3 minis for 60 pounds. Seems like good value considering the base costs of individual books is 20 pounds each.
60 for 3 free minis blows the crap out of 150 pounds for 1 mini thrown in
So basically Warlord gives you x3 the "free stuff" for almost 1/3 of the entry threshold.
Yes. It is just aimed at GW....because they're terrible.
Any qualifying orders will receive the miniature at a later date.
That fact was published by GW thereby informing any potential customers.
How about Warlord Games and the Monthly Supply Drop offer that goes out of stock? Any rants about that bit of FOMO? After all, it's an 'October' offer that didn't last the month.
GW are going to honour any qualifying purchases made during the whole qualifying period.
Anyhoo, you keep sticking to The Man. Nice to see you've moved the goalposts from FOMO because, basically, every company does it in some form or another, to a 'pants on head' international pricing strategy.
How about Warlord Games and the Monthly Supply Drop offer that goes out of stock? Any rants about that bit of FOMO? After all, it's an 'October' offer that didn't last the month.
For a start, those warlord supply drops are actually good value unlike the special snowflake bait.
Warlord even state "The box contained approximately 50% added value against purchasing the individual items separately.
Is Sgt Castus adding $210 AUD extra value out of a sum of $420 AUD in purchases....?
How about Warlord Games and the Monthly Supply Drop offer that goes out of stock? Any rants about that bit of FOMO? After all, it's an 'October' offer that didn't last the month.
For a start, those warlord supply drops are actually good value unlike the special snowflake bait.
Warlord even state "The box contained approximately 50% added value against purchasing the individual items separately.
Is Sgt Castus adding $210 AUD extra value out of a sum of $420 AUD in purchases....?
Warlord's offer is still geared at FOMO.
Buy now before we stop offering the deal partway through the month or you will pay 50% more. Even worse, those items are still likely in stock on the webstore but if a customer wasn't fortunate enough to get in first, they Miss Out. Does that create a Fear Of for November?
You are revealing some genuine bias by applying uneven standards.
For clarity's sake, I have no issues with any offers or deals companies make that are constrained by exclusivity or time. Customers have the choice to buy or not buy.
How about Warlord Games and the Monthly Supply Drop offer that goes out of stock? Any rants about that bit of FOMO? After all, it's an 'October' offer that didn't last the month.
For a start, those warlord supply drops are actually good value unlike the special snowflake bait.
Warlord even state "The box contained approximately 50% added value against purchasing the individual items separately.
Is Sgt Castus adding $210 AUD extra value out of a sum of $420 AUD in purchases....?
Warlord's offer is still geared at FOMO.
Buy now before we stop offering the deal partway through the month or you will pay 50% more. Even worse, those items are still likely in stock on the webstore but if a customer wasn't fortunate enough to get in first, they Miss Out. Does that create a Fear Of for November?
You are revealing some genuine bias by applying uneven standards.
For clarity's sake, I have no issues with any offers or deals companies make that are constrained by exclusivity or time. Customers have the choice to buy or not buy.
Yes, I am biased because a company that offers consumers more value is better than one that offers consumers less value.
Damn, you got me there. I am biased to generous companies. Damn. I am caught out.
None of your pure sophistry can avoid that basic equation. Warlord is generous in their bundles which provides a redeeming aspect.
A bundle deal is not on par with making your core boxed sets have only a single production run.
Deal with it.
A funny thing has happened for me with regard to Sgt. Castus. I placed an order of the appropriate dollar value (the 2021 Chapter Approved plus some Dreads and stuff for my Space Wolves), and despite hearing that I'd have to wait a long time for Castus to arrive, he came in the mail days ago but my main order (all of it is in stock currently, mind you) is still shown as Pending. What gives? It's been 11 days since I placed the order! Probably the strangest part is that I got Castus first; as I said, I fully expected to wait a couple of months for him.
ZergSmasher wrote: A funny thing has happened for me with regard to Sgt. Castus. I placed an order of the appropriate dollar value (the 2021 Chapter Approved plus some Dreads and stuff for my Space Wolves), and despite hearing that I'd have to wait a long time for Castus to arrive, he came in the mail days ago but my main order (all of it is in stock currently, mind you) is still shown as Pending. What gives? It's been 11 days since I placed the order! Probably the strangest part is that I got Castus first; as I said, I fully expected to wait a couple of months for him.
Speculation, but they would split Castus off your main order right away for lack of stock and process the latter in chronological order with whatever wait time that involves. Since they have to make extra Castuses and probably planned ahead for the possibility, they'd keep a production slot open to make a batch every so often and send it out right away. Since it's a separate order in their management system and only includes the single item, it could easily get sorted in bulk and sent out ahead of the main order if the batch arrives shortly after you place your order or there's an unexpected holdup on some of the main items.
For made to order and other specially produced items GW from what I've seen lists the the latest time they reasonably expect to wrap up production when informing customers of the possible time frame they have to wait, but often enough get there ahead of schedule. It's more about not raising unrealistic expectations they can't fulfill than actually believing most orders will take that long.