Don't believe I've seen this on here yet. Modiphius are launching a new game in the Fallout universe; Fallout Factions, a PvP Skirmish game akin to Necromunda (indeed, it was written by the same designer as 2017 'Munda). A more streamlined approach than the RPG-lite Wasteland Warfare but still with the full campaign mechanics you'd expect from this sort of entry. Initial release is going to focus on the Nuka World DLC from FO4 with the 3 main raider gang factions at launch. Miniatures are cross-compatible with Wasteland Warfare and the faction sets for the launch boxes are all multi-part hard plastic kits with a range of weapon options and builds factored in. Pre-Order is Feb 5th to ship in early March.
This is a silly complaint but hey, internet amirite?
I get annoyed when all factions have the same number of models. I'd like to see the cheap horde faction, the expensive elite faction, the middle dudes etc.
I appreciate that same size boxes and same costs are a good marketing strategy but I feel like it limits the design space if all factions need to have 10 models per gang.
This was announced 4 months ago - how has it slipped under the radar?! It looks right up my street.
One to ask Modiphius' marketing but yeah, it's been brewing for a while, just haven't seen a huge amount about it until this week (when online retailers started showing pre-orders).
Regardless, here's James Hewitt & Steve from Modiphius' playthrough video from a little while ago:
The mechanics do look simple but not too simple; there's seemingly enough granularity in there to make it fulfilling and that's only going to grow once more factions and weapons are added in.
From what they've discussed on streams, the campaign mechanics are bound to the individual player, so each gang has their own personal objectives etc. and it's not reliant on consistent games between the same group of players (though that's probably the more worthwhile method). I suggested that it was comparable to WarCry in that regard and they agreed.
Kid_Kyoto wrote: This is a silly complaint but hey, internet amirite?
I get annoyed when all factions have the same number of models. I'd like to see the cheap horde faction, the expensive elite faction, the middle dudes etc.
I appreciate that same size boxes and same costs are a good marketing strategy but I feel like it limits the design space if all factions need to have 10 models per gang.
If its any cosolation, the gangs likely won't use all 10 models off the bat and they do come in at different values.
So, the Operators, with the best gear and tech may end up being smaller as a result that the pack who are more swarmy.
The models in the box is more a case of what can we fit on the sprue (all designed by Colin Grayson of ex GW fame also!)
So, don't let the miniature boxes mislead you on the game.
Regarding the minis, each figure has 2-3 build options (including unique heads) and a bunch of base decorations, loose weapons, grenades and pouches to customise even further. Some of the weapons are not in Factions currently as the kits are also for use in Wasteland Warfare if you are more of a Narrative Wargame player.
My brief to James was based around Warcry as much as Necromunda... but he's done a great job bringing an individual flair to it, so don't just expect a GW game with the numbers filed off as its really not.
I absolutely love the open sandbox/narrative approach of Wasteland Warfare (it's one of the main selling points of the game I think, along with the solo modes) but this sort of game will have its own appeal. And if a fun and fast campaign is playable without needing someone to live and breathe the rules (and carry 9 hardback books around with them) that can only be a positive.
I absolutely love the open sandbox/narrative approach of Wasteland Warfare (it's one of the main selling points of the game I think, along with the solo modes) but this sort of game will have its own appeal. And if a fun and fast campaign is playable without needing someone to live and breathe the rules (and carry 9 hardback books around with them) that can only be a positive.
I think the one thing I want to be really clear on is that this doesn't replace F:WW. Instead it gives a new way of playing for existing players who like something a little lighter and more action focussed while also answering the interests of players who like Fallout but didn't need a pseudo RPG (with a lot of components) who were not served by the F:WW experience (and trust me they exist having spoken to them at many a con... )
Its also partly a game for me for the above reasons I've been trying to get something along these lines made almost since I started with Modiphius... its a bit of a personal shame I had to step away from the project towards the tail end of Beta, but Samantha and Ben have done a great job pushing us from there to production and the creative team have made a product that feels truly like a "wargame" (to me at least).
Will be interesting to see how people react as it gets out into the wild. The media push is warming up now to my knowledge, but as I say, I stepped away from the frontline for a bit so its not my plan anymore.
Interesting. I like the idea of the game and think it's perfect for the scale (skirmish) but none of the minis really pop out for me. Admittedly I haven't played any of the games since the Xbox 360 era so maybe I'm not the target audience but they seem solidly and consistently meh. Are they resin like Modiphius' Star Trek line?
warboss wrote: Interesting. I like the idea of the game and think it's perfect for the scale (skirmish) but none of the minis really pop out for me. Admittedly I haven't played any of the games since the Xbox 360 era so maybe I'm not the target audience but they seem solidly and consistently meh. Are they resin like Modiphius' Star Trek line?
Full hard plastic kits with multiple parts and weapon options etc.
Each raider box, one sprue of 10 figures, is 35 pounds MSRP. So combined is 70 quid. For that extra 15 you're getting terrain, tokens, dice and printed rules.
Rulebook is also available Monday as a PDF. No word if it's free or only comes with pre-orders as can be a bit too much on their "teasing" info on social media with never giving real answers. But Modiphius likes to lock out PDF access with pre-orders for their RPGs so I hope they're not doing that with this.
warboss wrote: Interesting. I like the idea of the game and think it's perfect for the scale (skirmish) but none of the minis really pop out for me. Admittedly I haven't played any of the games since the Xbox 360 era so maybe I'm not the target audience but they seem solidly and consistently meh. Are they resin like Modiphius' Star Trek line?
Full hard plastic kits with multiple parts and weapon options etc.
Each raider box, one sprue of 10 figures, is 35 pounds MSRP. So combined is 70 quid. For that extra 15 you're getting terrain, tokens, dice and printed rules.
Rulebook is also available Monday as a PDF. No word if it's free or only comes with pre-orders as can be a bit too much on their "teasing" info on social media with never giving real answers. But Modiphius likes to lock out PDF access with pre-orders for their RPGs so I hope they're not doing that with this.
I believe the release on Monday is the Quickstart not the full rule book, but it does contain rules and stats so you can play a game.
Each raider box, one sprue of 10 figures, is 35 pounds MSRP. So combined is 70 quid. For that extra 15 you're getting terrain, tokens, dice and printed rules.
Rulebook is also available Monday as a PDF. No word if it's free or only comes with pre-orders as can be a bit too much on their "teasing" info on social media with never giving real answers. But Modiphius likes to lock out PDF access with pre-orders for their RPGs so I hope they're not doing that with this.
I believe the release on Monday is the Quickstart not the full rule book, but it does contain rules and stats so you can play a game.
Thanks. There was a newsletter sent out just a few minutes ago and it mentioned a quick start ruleset being avalible as well. So that's good to know.
"My brief to James was based around Warcry as much as Necromunda"
Wow that's a big oof. Just saying straight out to the public that you're resigned to humbly trail behind the market leader by mix and matching their concepts.
"My brief to James was based around Warcry as much as Necromunda"
Wow that's a big oof. Just saying straight out to the public that you're resigned to humbly chase behind the market leader by mix and matching their concepts.
Well, not exactly... neither game uses D10s or the special system, or the activation system James created that impacts how much a model can do in the next turn.
The specifics of the Warcry thing were me loving the game, but hating how campaigns are "pickup", but the major story beats rely on someone having to play the "baddie" and the repeat the game nature until you win progression that always bugged me.
So, similar in that they are all skirmish games with a progression system, but as much "don't do this" as "do this".
But hey, check out the Quick Start which is dropping later today, if you like it great, if not, there are plenty more skirmish games out there that may work for you instead.
Hey I don't even doubt James made a great game, but you cannot go around saying "the design brief was half GW game A, half GW game B," not even in the negative sense ("dislike the way GW does this? come to us, we do it differently"), that still acknowledges them as the benchmark and your game as trying to measure up.
I have to disagree, that will be a massive bonus in getting people to at least try it.
Anecdotal, of course, but despite my best efforts my local pals will only play GW games. Saying "well it's a bit like these two well loved GW systems, but with Fallout flavour and humour" will be a much easier sell. And selfishly, I want my mates to play this so I can play this!
Having seen the QuickStart rules (probably earlier than intended...) and watched the playthrough video, the comparison to Necromunda and Warcry is very much broad strokes and I don't think it's problematic to acknowledge that there's similarities considering it amounts to 'it's a skirmish miniature game with gangs, guns and a campaign system that's linked to the individual player'. Even general turn/round structure is completely different. Not to speak on Jon's behalf but there's quite a distance between name-dropping other games to convey an idea of the type of experience a player can expect, and a suggestion that this game is just a literal mashup of two other titles with a Fallout Paintjob (which, from what I've seen, it absolutely isn't).
lord_blackfang wrote: Hey I don't even doubt James made a great game, but you cannot go around saying "the design brief was half GW game A, half GW game B," not even in the negative sense ("dislike the way GW does this? come to us, we do it differently"), that still acknowledges them as the benchmark and your game as trying to measure up.
It's no different than all the games on Steam described as like FTL but..., or like Slay the Spire but..., or like Civ but.... It's a point of reverence, not a quality comparison.
Pre-Orders are now live. Interestingly the stated shipping dates are different to 3rd party sites so bear that in mind. Looks like the individual gang kits, with their crossover with Wasteland Warfare are March/April (UK/US) and anything specifically for Factions is April/May.
here's some larger sprue shots for the two sets in the starter box but we don't have any of the 3rd as the individual boxes store pages aren't showing off their sprues. @JonWebb not sure if you can help get people those as there's been some requests over on Reddit for all of them before buying into the game.
These are the biggest images they had so open the image in a new window or increase the browser width to see them larger.
Any idea whether there will be a starter set without miniatures?
Asking because the figures seem to be coming to market before (mid-March) the starter set (mid-May).
Its not my line any more, so I may be a little out of date with the plan, but my understanding is that "wave 1" is the Nuka World set, but yes the Nuka World models will also release solo for F:WW players.
In the future there will then be the potential for new starter sets and a stand alone rulebook if Nuka World is not your jam, but I can't give any time frame on that and plans may have changed after I moved on.
Tabletop_Magpie wrote: I have to disagree, that will be a massive bonus in getting people to at least try it.
Anecdotal, of course, but despite my best efforts my local pals will only play GW games. Saying "well it's a bit like these two well loved GW systems, but with Fallout flavour and humour" will be a much easier sell. And selfishly, I want my mates to play this so I can play this!
Yes that's my thoughts on it as well.
Lots of people are afraid at first of taking off the GW stabilisers, if they haven't played a non-GW game before, so that's a really useful comparison to make.
My thoughts are that as much as I love WW, this type of game will be better for quick PUGs at a local club and may be a bit more accessible in that respect.
Manchu wrote: Thanks for responding — to make sure I understand, there will be no Nuka starter set without minis?
I was thinking about going ahead and getting the plastic figs as they come out before the starter box.
But if there is not other way to get the rules, card terrain, etc, then I will just wait.
Currently no. I'd like to be able to offer more than that, but its not my line any more, so don't want to set anything in stone that is no longer true.
Some news from the recent stream; Super Mutants and (generic) Raiders are getting new plastic core sets that tie in with Factions:
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Both of the above are getting a 'Gets You By' type ruleset for Factions in the relatively near future until they get a full release, as will Brotherhood of Steel and Survivors (who themselves are very likely to be getting their own plastics). Super Mutants are going to be able to take an additional Harm before getting removed from the table, whilst the Raiders use a lot of chems and the Power Armour models are immune to getting Fatigue from sources (such as suppression) other than their own actions (as well as some increases baked into their basic statline).
Mothman Cultists from FO76 are also going into Factions with what's getting what's being designated as a 'competitive' list, which are going to be essentially designed around one-off gameplay and won't have the Story Phase elements for ongoing campaign play. Basically a means of porting over factions that have models in Wasteland Warfare into Factions, perhaps with some weirder rules (the example given was the ability to summon an Mothman Cryptid) without them being fully fleshed out or necessarily getting a new plastic core box. It was suggested that those that were popular or it was felt gave a really enjoyable gameplay experience could be further developed into their own 'get you by' or even full lists down the liner. Some of the revealed resin cultists for reference:
Aeneades wrote: Zetans are being a proper force in that wave as well, with there boxes compatible with both games.
Zetans weren't listed to be in Factions only Mothman Cult have been confirmed as one of the Competitive Forces. They could get one in the future but it wasn't on their confirmed list.
The stream had both FWW and Factions logos on everything but that was just because the stream was covering both games and not that everything shown would work in both games.
Can't say I have any interest in the 76 stuff, but the plastic raiders look good.
The plastic super mutants look like they have some interesting options, but is it just me or do the heads look a bit weird (or is this based on the 76 versions or something)?
As far as I'm aware Fallout 76 Super Mutants use the same meshes and textures as the ones in Fallout 4, albeit with one or two added armor/clothing options if I recall correctly. If there's anything off with the models' faces, maybe that's the sculpts or the particular paintjob?
Anyone know if 24 x 36 play area going to be the set standard play area for this new Factions game or will it vary?
The new ruleset for this FO Factions game does interest me but BoS/enclave/institute are more my jam, it is good to see at least the BoS will get rules for it.
Thargrim wrote: I recall super mutants having a larger chin/jaw.
Anyone know if 24 x 36 play area going to be the set standard play area for this new Factions game or will it vary?
The new ruleset for this FO Factions game does interest me but BoS/enclave/institute are more my jam, it is good to see at least the BoS will get rules for it.
They did in earlier game engines (FO3/New Vegas and the portraits from 1&2); the FO4/76 version has a distinctly less prominent jawline and these sculpts look pretty much in line with that.
I'd have to imagine Enclave/Institute will get some attention in Factions down the line, even if it's only in the more limited format as per the Mothman cult. The more developed groups for now seem to be those who are getting a full plastic core set in the planned/announced schedule.
Apparently international logistical issues have meant Factions is getting delayed and will now be releasing in July as opposed to (checks notes) next week. Which does suck, though it's far from a Modiphius-specific issue and certainly not a problem of their making.
Hopefully there'll be a more detailed critique once they get the models built up and into the actual games given this isn't so much a review as an unboxing. Nevertheless, nice to see a hands-on view of the contents and it does all look like quality stuff.
Shadow Walker wrote: Knowing GMG, he will be following soon with a gameplay video/s.
Pretty much confirmed that they're going to be featuring Factions games quickly, based on what they were saying in the unboxing. Ash was really keen on Wasteland Warfare early doors but this is probably more appealing for digestible content generation and, if nothing else, I appreciate how genuinely enthusiastic they seem.
I will admit, James Hewitt leaving Modiphius has me worried about the game's longer term health. He is leaving them a great foundation but they have been VERY inconsistent stewards of their products.
NewTruthNeomaxim wrote: I will admit, James Hewitt leaving Modiphius has me worried about the game's longer term health. He is leaving them a great foundation but they have been VERY inconsistent stewards of their products.
Genuine question here - was he actually an employee of Modiphius, or was he brought in to write the rules? I ask as he didn't seem to be around for very long and I assume has now gone on elsewhere to do other things.
Just had an email from Goblin Gaming saying the UK release has been delayed until the 12th August.
update, confirmation from Modiphius:
"Unfortunately we have a bit of bad news. UK webstore pre-orders of Fallout: Factions - Battle for Nuka World starter sets are delayed until 12th August. I repeat, only if you pre-ordered from our UK webstore (modiphius.net) or a UK/EU retailer. This delay will not affect pre-orders from our US webstore (modiphius.us.)
The situation is out of our control: international freight continues to suffer delays due to the instability around the Red Sea and congestion out of China. We’ve alerted you as soon as we learned about this, and will continue to keep you updated.
What this means, however, is that bundles with dice packs from the UK will ship together. UK webstore customers do not need to amend your preferences if you filled out the form last week. If you had previously completed the form and opted for the dice to be removed from your order due to the original delay, we will now ship everything together and the dice will remain part of your order.
As an apology and thanks for your understanding, we’re issuing affected customers a £10 voucher to spend on our UK webstore. Voucher codes will be sent in a separate email to the one echoing this post.
Thank you again for your patience, we’re sorry that Fallout Factions continues to suffer delays, but we’ll continue to keep you up to date. If you have any questions please reach out to our customer service team at support@modiphius.com"
This game really has the worst luck. 2x delayed (at least for UK/EU) + no marketing after the first delay so it feels like the game is already forgotten about by it's publisher.
Monkeysloth wrote: This game really has the worst luck. 2x delayed (at least for UK/EU) + no marketing after the first delay so it feels like the game is already forgotten about by it's publisher.
Monkeysloth wrote: This game really has the worst luck. 2x delayed (at least for UK/EU) + no marketing after the first delay so it feels like the game is already forgotten about by it's publisher.
And the lead developer jumped ship
I thought about mentioning that, as it's not the best for the game, but I also feel like James left because he had a much better offer to be head of game development for a company vs all the delays or anything modiphius did. But ya, part of the cursed bad luck I guess.
I hope the expansions aren't too far round the corner. I feel like this game will live or die based on how quickly they can get some of the more recognisable factions out in plastic.
Well Raiders and Super Mutants are already announced for plastic sets in the coming months, and people seem fairly certain part 2 of wave 10 is bringing both Survivors and Brotherhood to plastic also. Hopefully the expansions for Fallout Factions will come along fairly swiftly following the plastic sets, or it may well not last long. It does look promising though, as a game. Something on a small board and over in 3 rounds? Perfect for a few fast games in an afternoon
warl0rdb0b wrote: Well Raiders and Super Mutants are already announced for plastic sets in the coming months, and people seem fairly certain part 2 of wave 10 is bringing both Survivors and Brotherhood to plastic also.
We know because we've been told multiple times they're coming in plastic.
They were saying they wanted all 4 plastic kits out this year back in March but I don't think that's possible with how many issues they've had getting the X-01 kit and Factions to retail.
Monkeysloth wrote: We know because we've been told multiple times they're coming in plastic.
They were saying they wanted all 4 plastic kits out this year back in March but I don't think that's possible with how many issues they've had getting the X-01 kit and Factions to retail.
This allegedly was a shipping snafu tho, it shouldn't have much impact on production?
It might impact whether Distributors and stores are interested though in terms of 'too much stuff in too short a time' for what they'll see as a minor game
and depending on how those conversations go it may make more sense to delay the later stuff to open up the gap between releases (or with luck they may not need to)
Monkeysloth wrote: We know because we've been told multiple times they're coming in plastic.
They were saying they wanted all 4 plastic kits out this year back in March but I don't think that's possible with how many issues they've had getting the X-01 kit and Factions to retail.
This allegedly was a shipping snafu tho, it shouldn't have much impact on production?
The x-01was mostly done in December of last year, we saw the completed boxes, but they didn't get released until May which was likely shipping issues.
And factions has had months of shipping delays. I don't see how they can get all 4 kits out this year with those kind of delays.
Monkeysloth wrote: We know because we've been told multiple times they're coming in plastic.
They were saying they wanted all 4 plastic kits out this year back in March but I don't think that's possible with how many issues they've had getting the X-01 kit and Factions to retail.
I have no doubt at all Survivors and Brotherhood are coming, its just whether in Wave 10 part 2 or as part of Wave 11 is all I'm thinking, as 4 double frame plastic kits in addition to the 3 from Factions and the X-01 is a lot of plastic for a smaller scale company like Modiphius to produce in 1 year for a single IP. I hope we see them both sooner, as I really want some more generic settlers with a few more options myself.
Monkeysloth wrote: We know because we've been told multiple times they're coming in plastic.
They were saying they wanted all 4 plastic kits out this year back in March but I don't think that's possible with how many issues they've had getting the X-01 kit and Factions to retail.
I have no doubt at all Survivors and Brotherhood are coming, its just whether in Wave 10 part 2 or as part of Wave 11 is all I'm thinking, as 4 double frame plastic kits in addition to the 3 from Factions and the X-01 is a lot of plastic for a smaller scale company like Modiphius to produce in 1 year for a single IP. I hope we see them both sooner, as I really want some more generic settlers with a few more options myself.
They're in wave 10 part 2 which the resin won't even start releasing until February/March of next year as part 1 is still mostly sticking to 2 boxes a month (and no December releases) and won't be finished until Jan/Feb depending if they do a few 3 releases a month (like July with mothmen).
warl0rdb0b wrote: July is actually a 5 box month, the Crater/ Foundation leader sets also came out this month.
those are the august releases.
We had 1 in June (ghouls) *promos are not counted as a standard release 3 in july (2 cultist boxes and mothman box) 2 in August (crater and foundation).
Be interesting to see the intended release cadence in terms of the (nigh on confirmed) starter style sets in different regions; whether they end up being actual starter boxes or 'just' a book expansion alongside the plastic releases for the associated factions. Presumably something like DC Ruins for the Brotherhood/Mutants and Boston for Survivors/Raiders. There's going to be fairly substantial gaps between the plastic releases and no guarantee that the full faction rules will be in a timely manner considering that that they're effectively still in playtest phase with the GYB lists and Bethesda's approvals process can take forever.
warl0rdb0b wrote: So they are, my mistake. Bit odd for them to be up and ready to order already, but I can appreciate the staggered release schedule.
People have been asking for more info on upcoming releases so they can actually budget. The FWW/Factions crew is working on making sure people know what's coming out a month ahead of time from the conversations on Discord.
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JimmyWolf87 wrote: Be interesting to see the intended release cadence in terms of the (nigh on confirmed) starter style sets in different regions; whether they end up being actual starter boxes or 'just' a book expansion alongside the plastic releases for the associated factions. Presumably something like DC Ruins for the Brotherhood/Mutants and Boston for Survivors/Raiders. There's going to be fairly substantial gaps between the plastic releases and no guarantee that the full faction rules will be in a timely manner considering that that they're effectively still in playtest phase with the GYB lists and Bethesda's approvals process can take forever.
We should be getting the standalone "Fallout Factions" rulebook later this year that is just generic fallout setting with the Core 4 FWW/Factions well Factions (BoS, Settlers, Raiders, Super Mutants). From there we really don't know what their plans are. One would think they'd tie Factions and FWW releases together some for a while. So if wave 11 in FWW is Far Harbor with more institute and Children of Atom that we get a Factions themed ruleset. I don't think they can do a box every year or 16months (not sure what GW's release is for Warcry or similar games) but they have mentioned that Nuka World will not be the only box set as you said so I'd think that would tie up with whatever FWW wave 12 is? Maybe another FO76 wave or TV show?
Just a quick FYI; my Factions starter box (ordered direct from Modiphius) arrived today so they're actually looking to be slightly ahead of schedule on the UK release.
JimmyWolf87 wrote: Just a quick FYI; my Factions starter box (ordered direct from Modiphius) arrived today so they're actually looking to be slightly ahead of schedule on the UK release.
Good to know, though I do expect my copy to be a bit behind as I ordered the Homestead expansion alongside it, good to know its in hand for people though now.
JimmyWolf87 wrote: Just a quick FYI; my Factions starter box (ordered direct from Modiphius) arrived today so they're actually looking to be slightly ahead of schedule on the UK release.
Friend of mine pre-ordered it, but it has been delayed without an ETA. We live in Portugal.
So after looking at all the pics long and hard I have to say I dislike the sculpts. They have detail, sure, but zero life in them. You got all these supposedly crazy raiders hopped up on drugs and ready to kill or be killed over half a cockroach sandwich but they all, every single one, have the facial expression of someone commuting to work on the subway. Even the two per box who look like they're moving at something more than a "walking to the toilet on company time" pace.
lord_blackfang wrote: So after looking at all the pics long and hard I have to say I dislike the sculpts. They have detail, sure, but zero life in them. You got all these supposedly crazy raiders hopped up on drugs and ready to kill or be killed over half a cockroach sandwich but they all, every single one, have the facial expression of someone commuting to work on the subway. Even the two per box who look like they're moving at something more than a "walking to the toilet on company time" pace.
Maybe that cockroach sandwich diet gets them such a facial expression?
lord_blackfang wrote: So after looking at all the pics long and hard I have to say I dislike the sculpts. They have detail, sure, but zero life in them. You got all these supposedly crazy raiders hopped up on drugs and ready to kill or be killed over half a cockroach sandwich but they all, every single one, have the facial expression of someone commuting to work on the subway. Even the two per box who look like they're moving at something more than a "walking to the toilet on company time" pace.
Not to sound defensive but I'm not sure I can agree with that sentiment. Of the 3 new raider gangs released for Factions (from Nuka Worlds), the Disciples all have their faces completely covered, the Pack predominantly have their faces covered with outlandish animal masks and the Operators are the direct opposite of the chemmed up lunatics you're imagining. If you think the latter specifically look a bit bored in terms of their expressions then that's pretty much entirely in their character.
I've been trying to get something along these lines made almost since I started with Modiphius... its a bit of a personal shame I had to step away from the project towards the tail end of Beta, but Samantha and Ben have done a great job pushing us from there to production and the creative team have made a product that feels truly like a "wargame" (to me at least).
