It is with a heavy heart that I must bid farewell to The Painting Phase. When offered the opportunity to join the channel over a year ago, I relished the chance to do something I love with a friend; spreading that love to the gaming community and hopefully helping bring more enjoyment to others in the hobby both inside and outside of the world of warhammer.
Yet, as time passed, it became increasingly evident that despite my contributions, dedication and loyalty, it would never evolve into something that I would be considered to be an equal partner in and will always remain driven by the vision and aspiration of its original creator.
And so, after much reflection, I have made the difficult decision to step away. It is not a choice made lightly but one based on my drive to pursue authenticity and create fun engaging content that I hope others will enjoy and will support them on their own hobby journeys.
As I embark on this new chapter, I carry with me the cherished memories and lessons learned from The Painting Phase and I wish the channel well. Yet, I am also excited about the prospect of charting my own course, of creating something that reflects my unique vision and values.
I extend my sincerest gratitude to all who have supported me on this journey thus far. Your encouragement and understanding mean the world to me. And though I part ways with The Painting Phase, I hope you will continue to accompany me on the path ahead, my new adventure and channel, PEACHY TIPS!
I'll join with the crowd of folks who didn't know Painting Phase existed before Peachy joined. Shame that they couldn't all get on the same page, it seemed like they had decent on-screen chemistry. I like Peachy but not enough to support a solo effort and I wonder if the market is getting a bit saturated with solo miniature content creator Patreon dudes.
Big changes in the painting channels, with Peachy launching his own YouTube channel and Juan Hidalgo going full time and (partially) behind a paywall on Patreon.
I'm actually very curious what this will mean for The Painting Phase. Absolutely no disrespect to Pat and Geoff, but it was Peachy who put them on the radar for most people, and it was his insight on the inner workings of GW on almost every level except the very top and the pre-existing rapport he had with most every guest that made their primary podcasting content engaging. I think they've established the brand well enough now to get by, but losing the star player right after moving to a new studio is going to hurt. The two of them alone are decent enough, but with time being a premium "decent enough" might not be enough to compete.
I'm much more confident in Peachy's success from here on out. There's never going to be another Duncan, but Sugs seems quite happy with how her solo venture has gone, and if personal satisfaction was the main consideration on his departure, then it's hard to imagine this not being better for him. Looking forward to seeing it happen.
Got to say, I’d never heard of The Painting Phase either before Chris Peach arriving there. When he was with GW, I found his Knight of Shrouds video very helpful.
I wish both channels the best of luck going forward, but boy, just like there are too many hobby paint ranges out there now, YouTube is just inundated with way too many painting channels these days for everyone to make a living at it.
Tim the Biovore wrote: Absolutely no disrespect to Pat and Geoff, but it was Peachy who put them on the radar for most people, and it was his insight on the inner workings of GW on almost every level except the very top and the pre-existing rapport he had with most every guest that made their primary podcasting content engaging.
Absolutely, and this is going to be my issue with both channels going forward. Pat and Geoff are nice enough, but neither really paints nor plays enough to carry a show. Peachy is wildly interesting when discussing the GW inside information, especially when playing off of a good guest, but I honestly don't care much about his painting content. His painting is fine, their content is fine, but altogether they made for a really great show. When it's just Pat and Geoff then there's too little hobby discussion and too much wedding, barber and former soldier stories. Peachy painting stuff is no more or less interesting than dozens of other painting channels out there, many of whom I no longer watch since it's too saturated as it is.
I'm another person that'd never heard of Painting Phase before Peachy joined, not sure how much interest they'll keep without him. I'm subscribed to both for now, we'll see how that plays out.
This is a bit sad. I'm also someone who only came across the Painting Phase when Chris Peach joined, although I only had a vague idea of who he was at the time. I'm not really into the whole celebrity hobbyist thing, and I actually find Youtube videos kind of annoying when you actually want to understand how something was done - I prefer written words and photos, and all of the self-referential stuff that Youtubers engage in gets tedious quickly. However, I thought that the 3 Painting Phasers had good chemistry, and presented different perspectives on the hobby; Chris was the seasoned hobbyist with industry knowledge, Pat was the enthusiastic novice (with a nice line in self-deprecating humour), and Geoff the long-term gamer / player. I suspect that Chris was responsible for attracting most of the big name interviewees they got (I don't mean the other Youtubers). While I quite like his approach to painting (and in particular his commitment to drybrushing), I don't watch many of his painting-only videos. I agree that the Painting Phase was greater than the sum of its parts, and that going solo isn't necessarily the best course. However, there have clearly been tensions behind the genial façade that they presented. Chris seems to have been burned badly by his experiences near the end of his time at GW, and is probably keen to have 100% control of what he does.
I haven't seen a lot of what they did because it was too hard for me to understand their british slang, especially Geoff. Peachy was okay, but to understand Geoff's mumbling I usually had to read the comments.
Overall I don’t care much for the Youtube hobby content. Give me a well written goonhammer article, but don't waffle on stuff for 10min. Or 2 hours.
A few days ago Sugs had a fun stream where she shed some more light on why so many left GW at the time, she's not as comfortable as Peachy to talk about how things were when she worked there, but she has given a lot of insight into the changes GW was going through back then, moving towards the much loathed "only hands" period which GW after backlash has moved away from again not so long ago, plus GW putting out more varied tutorials on their main YT channel as well.
I think Peachy's niche is going to more of a "fight the grey!" thing as opposed to a lot of other channels out there, his Painting Phase tutorials, at least the ones I saw, were mostly of the sort to get quick and nice results, much like Sonic Sledgehammer, who also found his niche in doing these great, laidback tutorials on how to get nice results without going too overboard with things.
It's strange to me that there are seemingly so many channels for painting tutorials out now, but I feel like so many miniatures and sets don't have any sort of tutorial. Trying to find any for Dark Elf figures or Dwarfs or Skaven is all but impossible.
I'd love to see a video for Cold One Knights or the Screaming Bell with the same attention YouTube gives to painting Space Marine armor or skeleton warriors.
Scottywan82 wrote: It's strange to me that there are seemingly so many channels for painting tutorials out now, but I feel like so many miniatures and sets don't have any sort of tutorial. Trying to find any for Dark Elf figures or Dwarfs or Skaven is all but impossible.
I'd love to see a video for Cold One Knights or the Screaming Bell with the same attention YouTube gives to painting Space Marine armor or skeleton warriors.
It will be where the general interest is. Marines and skeletons are almost ubiquitous amongst hobbyists so videos on them will attract views, but I doubt GW has sold any cold one knights since AOS took off.
Good luck to him, but I doubt I'll watch any of his videos. I enjoyed watching The Painting Phase specifically because of the banter between the three of them and their guest (whenever they had one).
Tannhauser42 wrote: Good luck to him, but I doubt I'll watch any of his videos. I enjoyed watching The Painting Phase specifically because of the banter between the three of them and their guest (whenever they had one).
Same here. I'll keep watching TPP for a bit and give Peachy's content a go, but I strongly suspect both channels will be worse off for this change.
The Painting Phase was successful because they all brought something to the mix that worked together. Splitting up the team is like having to eat flour, eggs, and milk instead of cake.
Shooter wrote: Yeah, but in that analogy Peachy is the tub of pre-made chocolate icing
Given the amount of ex-GW peeps around Nottingham I doubt he'll have any issues finding any go presenters if he wants a podcast/chatshow format
I suspect he didn't and that was the problem, as having a quick look at their page only about a quarter or less of the last twenty videos or so are about painting.
I vaguely remember them saying that the shorts weren't that easy to monetize either as Youtube isn't set up in quite the same way as TikTok for that style of video.
I suspected something with the last two videos not having Peachy, but then tadda there was Peachy for an interview.
The way I see it, is money to support three lads is tough from just one channel and Patreon. Plus, artistic constraint for 20+1? Years at GW. Would be a long overused seat not worth sitting in again.
Bugger, the chemistry of those three lads (and the insider interviews) made that channel hands down the best gw-gaming related channel to listen to whilst painting.
Not my thing. I've never been interesting in any of these social media creators. If I need inspiration I tend to look at books, go to shows or look here. I'm too long in the tooth in this hobby is be influenced by anything like that.
I've never understood the interest in watching things like that, the same way I don't understand people paying to watch others playing console games. If it interests me then I'll play it myself.
Grumble, grumble when I was a lad we didn't have this nonsense. If we wanted entertainment we'd play football in the street and if an opponent got hurt by a vehicle that was a bonus.
Jaxmeister wrote: Not my thing. I've never been interesting in any of these social media creators. If I need inspiration I tend to look at books, go to shows or look here. I'm too long in the tooth in this hobby is be influenced by anything like that.
I've never understood the interest in watching things like that, the same way I don't understand people paying to watch others playing console games. If it interests me then I'll play it myself.
Grumble, grumble when I was a lad we didn't have this nonsense. If we wanted entertainment we'd play football in the street and if an opponent got hurt by a vehicle that was a bonus.
With all due respect, If you're playing the "back in the day" card, I have to say that in therms of "passing Knowledge in art techniques" has been all about watching great painters do their thing and learn from that. Even before Internet existed. It's part of humanity since ever.
With that said Im with you about the Celebrity Hype. Its just all very silly.
Jaxmeister wrote: Not my thing. I've never been interesting in any of these social media creators. If I need inspiration I tend to look at books, go to shows or look here. I'm too long in the tooth in this hobby is be influenced by anything like that.
I've never understood the interest in watching things like that, the same way I don't understand people paying to watch others playing console games. If it interests me then I'll play it myself.
Grumble, grumble when I was a lad we didn't have this nonsense. If we wanted entertainment we'd play football in the street and if an opponent got hurt by a vehicle that was a bonus.
Thing is books are great, but sometimes seeing someone do something is a huge help. Describing how to paint something is different to seeing someone do the brush strokes or how they hold a brush or how they position their hands and body and so forth. Sometimes that video can convey a complicated thing very easily through visual media instead of pages of description in a book.
Of course in-person is better still since you can ask direct questions and get feedback and so forth; but video is a great resource for a visual teaching tool.
Heck even video games can help if they are showing you a tactic of how to achieve some tricky combo or where something is hidden in the game. I also use them for seeing how the gameplay actually is as opposed to watching a review or demo video (both of which can cut parts of the gameplay to focus on others - heck a lot of game trailers just use cinematic stuff).
Though I'm with you on not really watching video games at all as a sport.
Thing is books are great, but sometimes seeing someone do something is a huge help. Describing how to paint something is different to seeing someone do the brush strokes or how they hold a brush or how they position their hands and body and so forth. Sometimes that video can convey a complicated thing very easily through visual media instead of pages of description in a book.
Odd part about that is, they don't hold the brush, or perform painting strokes, as normal because it must be posed/changed for the camera so there are clear shots.
Most times you getting a better view means you aren't getting the actual view.
I'd make a comment about porn, but it's the same idea being applied.
Tim the Biovore wrote: I'm actually very curious what this will mean for The Painting Phase. Absolutely no disrespect to Pat and Geoff, but it was Peachy who put them on the radar for most people, and it was his insight on the inner workings of GW on almost every level except the very top and the pre-existing rapport he had with most every guest that made their primary podcasting content engaging. I think they've established the brand well enough now to get by, but losing the star player right after moving to a new studio is going to hurt. The two of them alone are decent enough, but with time being a premium "decent enough" might not be enough to compete.
I'm much more confident in Peachy's success from here on out. There's never going to be another Duncan, but Sugs seems quite happy with how her solo venture has gone, and if personal satisfaction was the main consideration on his departure, then it's hard to imagine this not being better for him. Looking forward to seeing it happen.
Feel like I'm the only one who isn't a fan of Duncan, his presenting and painting style is very boring to me, and the fact he uses like 40 plus paints every video is annoying.
Shame about them splitting up, I enjoyed their podcast quite a bit. One of the few YouTube channels who seemed genuinely into the hobby, instead of just trying to milk the algorithm for as many views as possible, or secretly being a creep(midwinter minis).
The episodes without peachy have seemed very quiet. Not sure how successful they will be separately, seems pat took the brunt of the actual making of the videos, and peachy was just a painter, and they will now have to do everything independently.
It'll be interesting to see if we ever find out the reason for breaking up, by the sounds of it peachy wanted more money/control than the other two were willing to give up.
Each to their own which I'm all for. Just because it's not for me doesn't mean it's not for you.
Painting miniatures to me is like video games, much more fun to do it myself. As far as I'm concerned my painting is ok, never going to win any competitions but I never enter any do that's fine. I don't play in tournaments as I play for fun, been to one and hated the experience so I'll happily stay as I am.
As far as my group is concerned as long as they're painted that's great. No standard to meet as long as it's not bare plastic.
Ours is a largely diverse hobby with room for anybody to do as they want.
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All I'm saying is personally I've been wargaming for over 40 years starting with WRG Ancients and I've never known anybody to be influenced by anybody like that. Doesn't make me right but I can fairly speak for all in my group who haven't ever given internet sites like that any attention. As I say doesn't maker right but for us doesn't make me wrong.
I learnt how to paint minis by watching Peachy and Duncan, then watching other creators to see different styles and approaches to incorporate bits into how I paint.
I'm looking forward to Peachy's videos, hes great at getting a quick result that looks good on the tabletop rather than super detailed close up work. Even if that's not how I usually paint, I find it inspirational and interesting to see plus like Duncan he's such an engaging and fun character.
Peachy popped into Suggers stream yesterday for a bit as she was discussing him going solo, they'll be doing a crossover or two in the future, so I am really looking forward to that.
BrookM wrote: Peachy popped into Suggers stream yesterday for a bit as she was discussing him going solo, they'll be doing a crossover or two in the future, so I am really looking forward to that.
I stopped watching after the condescending tank painting video, what else has he been up to..?
He hired a new assistant who was half his age and immediately started having an affair with her. Then he left his long term gf and two kids and refused to give her anything more than the legal bare minimum, which wasn't much because they weren't married. She's posted about how she really struggled.
He always gave me weird vibes
In better news, first video is up, before les grognards come a-knocking again (I kid ), these videos are aimed at getting started, getting gak done quickly and fighting the grey!
I suppose I'll also chime in and say I went through a bit of a phase of watching painting stuff on youtube, and it was interesting and I suppose it did lead to some small improvements for me here and there.
But it also made me not enjoy painting as much, due to always worrying about improving and doing better, trying new techniques and challenging myself. Turns out, I paint to relax, and I didn't enjoy turning it into an avenue for self improvement. So I grabbed a bunch of contrast paints/speed paints and started messing around with them, and have been enjoying getting armies painted to a reasonable standard and then playing games with them, and not sweating about technique or whether I painted the eyes or whatever else. I'm even unclenching about mold lines, honestly.
So now I don't really watch any of that stuff. I understand if you approach painting differently to me - good! Seeing the finished products of amazing painters is always brilliant. But I'm not in it for the constant drive to improve, and I think it actually makes me unhappy to try.
Also, I don't enjoy the personality side of youtube, the way it encourages parasocial relationships and so on. I never clicked on any of this channel's videos because it seemed very personality driven.
My favorite painting videos were actually the Privateer Press streams with Dallas Kemp. Usually three guys just talking as he painted. I did pick up a lot of tips and improvements.
But I never picked up discouragement from it because while he was doing better work than I ever will you also saw how long it took to actually achieve that.
BrookM wrote: Peachy popped into Suggers stream yesterday for a bit as she was discussing him going solo, they'll be doing a crossover or two in the future, so I am really looking forward to that.
I stopped watching after the condescending tank painting video, what else has he been up to..?
He hired a new assistant who was half his age and immediately started having an affair with her. Then he left his long term gf and two kids and refused to give her anything more than the legal bare minimum, which wasn't much because they weren't married. She's posted about how she really struggled.
He always gave me weird vibes
ill never forget his creepy instagram post about his wife in the gw yoga pants bending over with the caption "She just gave birth to twins, and she still looks good"
like man, what a creep
I've found over the last year or so the painting / hobby youtube channels I followed all went off the deep end, making more and more unrealistic videos to try to one up each other for views.
Like congrats on the £10,000 display piece, but thats not helpful at all to me.
Hopefully peachy will stick with grounded material.
Tamereth wrote: I've found over the last year or so the painting / hobby youtube channels I followed all went off the deep end, making more and more unrealistic videos to try to one up each other for views.
Like congrats on the £10,000 display piece, but thats not helpful at all to me.
Hopefully peachy will stick with grounded material.
Got to thank the Youtube algorithm for crap like this.
I likexto call those "minitainment" where they are more focused on making an enterinaing videos then teaching.
Ninjon, miniac, squidmar (mr beast of warhammer as i call him) are the worst offenders. Especially miniac with his sort of lifestyle videos he does.
Vince, Marco, cult of paint, Sorastro are some of the best "how to paint " videos
Tamereth wrote: I've found over the last year or so the painting / hobby youtube channels I followed all went off the deep end, making more and more unrealistic videos to try to one up each other for views.
Like congrats on the £10,000 display piece, but thats not helpful at all to me.
Hopefully peachy will stick with grounded material.
I've seen the same thing happen with several YouTube cooking channels. Eventually, you exhaust your personal stock of recipes/ideas/tips/etc., and have to start chasing the algorithm with whatever's popular in order to keep your channel going.
Tamereth wrote: I've found over the last year or so the painting / hobby youtube channels I followed all went off the deep end, making more and more unrealistic videos to try to one up each other for views.
Like congrats on the £10,000 display piece, but thats not helpful at all to me.
Hopefully peachy will stick with grounded material.
I've seen the same thing happen with several YouTube cooking channels. Eventually, you exhaust your personal stock of recipes/ideas/tips/etc., and have to start chasing the algorithm with whatever's popular in order to keep your channel going.
Yep and the Algorithm is brutal in that regard. It's why some latch onto whining about GW because "Games Workshop is Destroying the Hobby" gets you way more views than "How to paint Yellow with seamless transitions"
But yeah you can basically lay the blame for the change in youtube video styles not on people but on the algorithm. It's heavily weighted toward certain things over others and that influences what professional youtube channels need to consider when making content because if they are going to make an income; part of what they do has to consider the Algorithm, if not all that they do.
BrookM wrote: Peachy popped into Suggers stream yesterday for a bit as she was discussing him going solo, they'll be doing a crossover or two in the future, so I am really looking forward to that.
I stopped watching after the condescending tank painting video, what else has he been up to..?
He hired a new assistant who was half his age and immediately started having an affair with her. Then he left his long term gf and two kids and refused to give her anything more than the legal bare minimum, which wasn't much because they weren't married. She's posted about how she really struggled.
He always gave me weird vibes
BrookM wrote: Peachy popped into Suggers stream yesterday for a bit as she was discussing him going solo, they'll be doing a crossover or two in the future, so I am really looking forward to that.
I stopped watching after the condescending tank painting video, what else has he been up to..?
He hired a new assistant who was half his age and immediately started having an affair with her. Then he left his long term gf and two kids and refused to give her anything more than the legal bare minimum, which wasn't much because they weren't married. She's posted about how she really struggled.
He always gave me weird vibes
WHOA. Well that was a wild thing to catch up on.
The dude has always acted like someone who loves the smell of his own farts. Some of his content is good but it's always had that underlying arrogance. Should be noted that it was only a year after his gf had the twins.
The drama all played out over Reddit and the person he had the affair with is in the same orbit as Peachy/Suggs and ex GW employee. Was probably the biggest GW influencer drama in recent years.
I have watched the fist 2 of the 3(?) space marine painting videos and quite enjoyed them but I have to admit, not sure they are particularly innovative for YouTube content.
That said, if I was Peachy starting a new channel I would have gone with Space Marines too, and what is there that hasn't already been said about painting them?
I'm hoping to see more army painting tips and tricks, let's hope he isn't stymied by "the algorithm" and puts out some fun content. I did really enjoy his painting tips on The Painting Phase, the vehicle ones in particular.
I enjoyed his video about dwarves. I'm not all that bothered about beginners tips, but I really enjoyed his history of the faction and his time with them. Very enjoyable.
My preferred youtube "beat" is terrain crafting, but you see the same stuff impacting those guys. Every one of them that gets into it full time has to grind out videos on a brutal schedule that sucks the life out of them, and results in creative burnout.
Then the poor sods try to switch to a slightly different track to give themselves a creative boost (something as simple as changing the game they're building for) and bam, views crater and never recover. You get to watch these fellas age three times as fast as normal over time because of the pressure.
In that situation, I can see why people go for lower effort high engagement videos and clickbait titles.
But it does put me off the channels, and I think it sort of shows that you can't easily make a job out of that sort of thing, and if you do, you've probably just ruined your hobby for yourself.
I think a bit part of it is how youtube itself works. It requires content creators to jump through hoops and produce more hours of video work than major TV shows have to do for a weekly slot.
The whole system is built on tiny gains through mass media creation and the result is a system that generates VAST amounts of content at the cost of burning out the creators.
Throw on the fact that its not just content but certain kinds and presented in certain ways and that that system often favours one very specific niche and you've got not just burnout but burnout where you aren't even burning out on what you want (or what the poeple want) but what the algorithm wants.
Plus given how many people I've seen around complaining not just about what its doing to creators but how useless search and algorithms are being at finding content and presenting it - I get a strong feeling its burning both ends - creators and fans - at the same time.
Overread wrote: I think a bit part of it is how youtube itself works. It requires content creators to jump through hoops and produce more hours of video work than major TV shows have to do for a weekly slot.
The whole system is built on tiny gains through mass media creation and the result is a system that generates VAST amounts of content at the cost of burning out the creators.
Throw on the fact that its not just content but certain kinds and presented in certain ways and that that system often favours one very specific niche and you've got not just burnout but burnout where you aren't even burning out on what you want (or what the poeple want) but what the algorithm wants.
Plus given how many people I've seen around complaining not just about what its doing to creators but how useless search and algorithms are being at finding content and presenting it - I get a strong feeling its burning both ends - creators and fans - at the same time.
IDK if yall know about Nebula. but i had a friend who wanted to look into posting mini paintinting tutorials there.
They where not really interested in that kinda stuff sadly.
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Kalamadea wrote: Wow, I did not realize MW was such a gakshow. I am SO glad I don't follow people outside their videos
Semi-related question - is this just on YouTube at the moment?
Rob Symes, a.k.a. "The Honest Wargamer". Louise's other half. Not sure why he's a downside particularly. I think it is just Youtube at the moment, but they're planning to make it available through podcast channels as well.
JimmyWolf87 wrote: Shame Rob's on it to be honest, otherwise that sounds like a really fun listen.
Who is Rob, and why is he a downside?
Semi-related question - is this just on YouTube at the moment?
Rob (AKA The Honest Wargamer) is a former Warhammer TV presenter / GW staffer. He started the whole "slapchop" craze. I have no idea, personally, why there is any negative opinion towards him, but then again I may have missed something. I've always found him to be a decent chap and his videos are generally interesting (and Rogue Hobbies operates out of his studio).
JimmyWolf87 wrote: Shame Rob's on it to be honest, otherwise that sounds like a really fun listen.
Who is Rob, and why is he a downside?
Semi-related question - is this just on YouTube at the moment?
I watched a lot of his stuff and it can be a struggle at times. He's smart, he has a lot of good ideas about Warhammer and his analysis of rules and gameplay is generally good but he is very dogmatic, he rarely listens to dissenting opinions.
He hates GW which is understandable as he clearly had a bad experience there but he's made a career from covering their products. His default stance is to be negative and critical.
Some people prefer this kind of coverage but to me it's a bit much. If I'm watching AoS content, I much prefer someone like HeyWoah who has a much more relaxed and balanced take on AoS.
To be fair to him Rob does seem to know this about himself and his YouTube videos are much more balanced than his twitch ones.
Seems like Colourforge is making signature series on Kickstarter with Peach, Louise and some other content creators. Not sure when though. He just announced it yesterday.
Seems like Colourforge is making signature series on Kickstarter with Peach, Louise and some other content creators. Not sure when though. He just announced it yesterday.
Unfortunately buying this range is supporting midwinter minis.
Seems like Colourforge is making signature series on Kickstarter with Peach, Louise and some other content creators. Not sure when though. He just announced it yesterday.
Unfortunately buying this range is supporting midwinter minis.
While I appreciate there is a Midwinter colour, for some reason, I don't think Midwinter has any direct financial ties to The Colour Forge, though I could be wrong.
Seems like Colourforge is making signature series on Kickstarter with Peach, Louise and some other content creators. Not sure when though. He just announced it yesterday.
Unfortunately buying this range is supporting midwinter minis.
While I appreciate there is a Midwinter colour, for some reason, I don't think Midwinter has any direct financial ties to The Colour Forge, though I could be wrong.
His name is on the can, he's getting some financial gain from their partnership between colour forge/the content creators. There is no other reason for him to do it otherwise.
I'm not all that keen on deciding my hobby purchases based on some random person's personal dramas that I don't have any actual firsthand knowledge about, so I'm interested to see what colours they come up with since colour forge products are excellent.
Seems like Colourforge is making signature series on Kickstarter with Peach, Louise and some other content creators. Not sure when though. He just announced it yesterday.
Unfortunately buying this range is supporting midwinter minis.
While I appreciate there is a Midwinter colour, for some reason, I don't think Midwinter has any direct financial ties to The Colour Forge, though I could be wrong.
His name is on the can, he's getting some financial gain from their partnership between colour forge/the content creators. There is no other reason for him to do it otherwise.
I highly doubt he'll see any kickbacks from people buying Peachy Peach or Rogue Pink, so unless you're specifically after an ice blue rattle can, you can safely buy 97% of the ColourForge range without financially supporting someone you have a personal distaste for.
Unless it's a matter of boycotting the company as a whole for having any commerical ties with Midwinter, which is entirely your right, but given the limited utility of this collaboration range, the intention here is to use novelty factor to introduce people to the Colourforge product line and convince them to switch their usual colour selection to Colourforge equivalents rather than any meaningful long term engagement with the influencer shades specifically (Godspeed to anyone who finds a use for a second 500mL can of hot pink paint in their hobby)
Seems like Colourforge is making signature series on Kickstarter with Peach, Louise and some other content creators. Not sure when though. He just announced it yesterday.
Unfortunately buying this range is supporting midwinter minis.
I'm not up on the current things, so why is supporting Midwinter Minis a bad thing?
bbb wrote: I'm not up on the current things, so why is supporting Midwinter Minis a bad thing?
A lot of folks who watched him got upset by his new drama llama content (eg a video on why playing as Germans in historical games is problematic) and his abandoning his (now ex) wife and newborn twins to hook up with the new co-host of his channel.
Oh god, not this again. Can we please keep this thread on the topic of Peachy and his new channel, and not have it degrade into a general hobby influencer soap opera thread.
Him screwing over his ex wife is really really scummy. Like pure narcissist nonsense, and his new squeeze better be prepping herself when he pulls that gak on her
Pacific wrote: Was about to post here that I quite enjoyed his look at Frostgrave(!), but then reading the last page of this thread..
For on topic discussion...
Yes, was quite enjoyable. I've not played Frostgrave myself but have made use of the minis for DnD / general fantasy purposes. Looking forward to more non-GW content from him.
stratigo wrote: Him screwing over his ex wife is really really scummy. Like pure narcissist nonsense, and his new squeeze better be prepping herself when he pulls that gak on her
Last set of statistics I saw on the internet stated that 42% of marriages end in divorce.
On that stance, I guess half of the youtubers we watch are or will be divorced. That makes for a lot of youtube content we wouldn't watch on that principle.
As for Peachy, well I've really enjoyed watching the Juggz show he takes part in. It would of course be far better if Louise would stop interuptting everyone so much before they got to the end of their comment.
Dawnbringer wrote: Oh god, not this again. Can we please keep this thread on the topic of Peachy and his new channel, and not have it degrade into a general hobby influencer soap opera thread.
Apparently not. :(
Speaking of Peachy, I watched his recent Frostgrave video and found it quite good, with a good mix of painting tips, game presentation... Just a shame that the video was titled something like "The best wargame ever, AoS finally dethroned" (or some similar nonsense), and right of the bat he admitted he had never played the game. That's a shame because his videos can really stand for themselves, he shouldn't need the clickbait to please the algorithmic gods of Youtube (thinking right now there is a parallel between what pleases the YT algorithm and the WH Chaos Gods).
I think the clickbait stuff really works on a lot of people, unfortunately. Plenty of youtubers say they've tried both approaches and the obnoxious thumbnails do better.
As for Peachy, well I've really enjoyed watching the Juggz show he takes part in. It would of course be far better if Louise would stop interuptting everyone so much before they got to the end of their comment.
I am quite enjoying Juggz, but actually yeah I have noticed that a lot.
Though the three do mesh well together.
Tim the Biovore wrote: From what he has said, clickbait titles and thumbnails are the necessary evil for him to make non-40K videos at all
He learnt it from Pat on the Painting Phase, who made no secret of using clickbait thumbnails, although they are often fairly tongue-in-cheek. And they’re nothing like the obnoxious (and repetitive) crap that channels like Discourse Minis use to try and attract gullible viewers.
I started watching the latest Painting Phase video, but quickly lost interest. I like Pat’s weird adverts, but the chat gets tedious. Really, there are very few of these YouTube personalities that I keep going back to. Even Louise Sugden’s charm and charisma can wear thin after a bit. The only one I find consistently engaging (outside the people who present quality battle reports, like SN and Tabletop Tactics) is ArbiterIan. I really rate that guy.
For what it's worth in his defense, he really doesn't like having to play the algorithm game to get views, but he's got a mortgage to pay and a family to support, so he's got to do what he's got to do to generate an income. He'd rather not have to mention gw products at all in unrelated vids, but that's the only way a channel like his can survive.
Seems like Colourforge is making signature series on Kickstarter with Peach, Louise and some other content creators. Not sure when though. He just announced it yesterday.
One of those other content creators is Pete the Wargamer...
Dawnbringer wrote: Oh god, not this again. Can we please keep this thread on the topic of Peachy and his new channel, and not have it degrade into a general hobby influencer soap opera thread.
Apparently not. :(
Speaking of Peachy, I watched his recent Frostgrave video and found it quite good, with a good mix of painting tips, game presentation... Just a shame that the video was titled something like "The best wargame ever, AoS finally dethroned" (or some similar nonsense), and right of the bat he admitted he had never played the game. That's a shame because his videos can really stand for themselves, he shouldn't need the clickbait to please the algorithmic gods of Youtube (thinking right now there is a parallel between what pleases the YT algorithm and the WH Chaos Gods).
Clickbait measurably works, which is why it is used.
I do hope Colourforge figure out a way to get their sprays sold in the US.
Sadly non-GW stuff is not favored by the algorithm, and so an element of clickbait titles and thumbnails does seem to help. Joining the Patreons (even at the new free tier) is a good way to support the creators you like and make sure their new videos get seen.
mattl wrote: I do hope Colourforge figure out a way to get their sprays sold in the US.
Sadly non-GW stuff is not favored by the algorithm, and so an element of clickbait titles and thumbnails does seem to help. Joining the Patreons (even at the new free tier) is a good way to support the creators you like and make sure their new videos get seen.
The issue with patreon as a model is the same as streaming really; it was fine when a few people in every niche were using it, but now that it's the standard where does it end? I totted it up once and if I signed up for the patreons of everyone I watch and all the creators I'd *like* to support I'd be forking over nearly 500 quid a month. The alternatives suck for creators as well of course; the algo is a vile mistress, ad revenue is down all over, and sponsorships are a minefield of shoddy products and predatory services(the amount of YT'ers continuing to shill BetterHelp even after being informed of their genuinely sinister aspects is actually a little depressing).
Perhaps - and I know this isn't going to be a welcome idea for many but it really has to be confronted - there simply isn't that big a commercial market out there for this kind of content and we're already at saturation point. Everyone's chasing their "big break" as a content creator, and perhaps that's the issue; it's evident that their content is, well, a product, rather than something worth experiencing in its own right. Outside of a small handful of creators like Vince Venturella and Sonic Sledgehammer, "hobbytube" really seems to lack the sense of authenticity that hobby content used to have when it was still mostly Blokes In Sheds just doing the things they liked doing anyway and sharing that enthusiasm. And while I can understand that not *all* of that Old Timey charm can survive the surge of new people who've come into the hobby in the last decade and youtube's increasing drive towards monetising every flicker of every eyeball, I do struggle a little to understand why it's still reasonably easy to find "classic" content in fields like music creation, DIY, woodworking, or even "guy ranting about urbanism and how much cars suck", but for wargaming almost everyone just seems to gravitate straight to the kind of "standard" template. I do notice that most of the channels I find which maintain that feel of authenticity didn't start off as explicitly commercial projects, they weren't their creator's "job" at the outset just enthusiastic amateurs, and while many now are their primary or only source of income it's a correlation I struggle to ignore.
The problem for me with Patreon over the past years has been the minimum tier going up. When I started using it most creators had a tier for $1/£1 and I would just pretty much chip that in for anyone I was remotely interested. I can easily give fifty different creators a quid each, and I don't want any special perks, just maybe a Patreon update when there's a new video out.
But instead it's been pushed more in the direction of higher monthly fees and more "exclusive" content. And yeah, for a creator I like, £5 a month is not much. But the reality is if I do that, I can afford to back ten creators, not fifty.
Which then makes it harder for new creators to get a look-in. I always thought the model should be "get 3000 people to give you a quid" rather than "get 600 people to give you a fiver" but it's not gone that way.
I'd agree that a lot warhammer related youtube has lost it's charm. A lot of very similar styles and approaches and not much genuine enthusiasm, generally making videos about "the new thing" because they do better.
Also a lot of "Oh I haven't painted in 20 years, let me just pick up this brush and knock out an absolutely stunning, highly technical paintjob to the background of that generic music everyone uses, with perfect macro camera work and editing". Yeah mate, sure. You're just a newbie!
On Patreon, I'm just not gonna pay for any of that stuff. I wouldn't watch it if it wasn't free, because it's mostly a waste of time anyway. I've also noticed that the more people try and make this stuff their job, the worse the quality generally is.
YodhrinsForge wrote: Perhaps - and I know this isn't going to be a welcome idea for many but it really has to be confronted - there simply isn't that big a commercial market out there for this kind of content and we're already at saturation point. Everyone's chasing their "big break" as a content creator, and perhaps that's the issue; it's evident that their content is, well, a product, rather than something worth experiencing in its own right. Outside of a small handful of creators like Vince Venturella and Sonic Sledgehammer, "hobbytube" really seems to lack the sense of authenticity that hobby content used to have when it was still mostly Blokes In Sheds just doing the things they liked doing anyway and sharing that enthusiasm. And while I can understand that not *all* of that Old Timey charm can survive the surge of new people who've come into the hobby in the last decade and youtube's increasing drive towards monetising every flicker of every eyeball, I do struggle a little to understand why it's still reasonably easy to find "classic" content in fields like music creation, DIY, woodworking, or even "guy ranting about urbanism and how much cars suck", but for wargaming almost everyone just seems to gravitate straight to the kind of "standard" template. I do notice that most of the channels I find which maintain that feel of authenticity didn't start off as explicitly commercial projects, they weren't their creator's "job" at the outset just enthusiastic amateurs, and while many now are their primary or only source of income it's a correlation I struggle to ignore.
I think there is a lot of sense in what you say. There is a real sameness to the channels that cover our hobby, that increasingly offers little that's really substantial or inspiring. This is also a problem with YouTube as a whole, where the insatiable need for content (and income) results in a huge amount of empty dross.
The Samenyness is often because the market at large follows very simple patterns too. Which often shoe-horns creators into the same slots; especially when they can't afford a research and marketing team to "push" a new direction of their own.
So one creator finds a niche that makes money; others see it and follow.
Youtube makes it worse because the algorithm 100% plays favourites with specific aspects and that further shoehorns certain content. Make the wrong content and your videos won't even get shown to followers and fans and if you don't get enough viewing within a certain timeframe, again you don't get shown.
It's gone from a helpful functional system to a very controlling and predatory system that has twisted what can work for many creators
Outside of a small handful of creators like Vince Venturella and Sonic Sledgehammer, "hobbytube" really seems to lack the sense of authenticity that hobby content used to have when it was still mostly Blokes In Sheds just doing the things they liked doing anyway and sharing that enthusiasm. And while I can understand that not *all* of that Old Timey charm can survive the surge of new people who've come into the hobby in the last decade and youtube's increasing drive towards monetising every flicker of every eyeball, I do struggle a little to understand why it's still reasonably easy to find "classic" content in fields like music creation, DIY, woodworking, or even "guy ranting about urbanism and how much cars suck", but for wargaming almost everyone just seems to gravitate straight to the kind of "standard" template. I do notice that most of the channels I find which maintain that feel of authenticity didn't start off as explicitly commercial projects, they weren't their creator's "job" at the outset just enthusiastic amateurs, and while many now are their primary or only source of income it's a correlation I struggle to ignore.
I wonder if there is some more authentic stuff on Twitch - easier to set up a camera and livestream and interact with audience without having to bother about editing stuff afterwards - but its not really a platform i use.
i also wonder if there is lots of it on youtube and its just buried so far down we never find it
There are loads of channels of people posting their hobby stuff, it's true. If you look for less popular games or model manufacturers you'll find them.
A lot of times it's someone with a potato camera making mouth noises into the mic, which is pretty authentic I guess! I whinged about slick editing after all!
Heh heh. I think that's a reason I prefer text for hobby stuff to video. If you're not very good at video production, videos can be kind of unpleasant to watch - shaking all over the place, really loud noises because of how the mic picks things up, and hearing every gurgle and wheeze of the presenters respiratory system.
So maybe they can't win, with me at least! I'm partial to terrain crafting channels, because actually seeing someone make the cut and handle the terrain as they work is really useful for understanding how to approach a build.
Did not notice that at all. Well played Peachy! 
