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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
How do!
It’s that time of year.
Obligatory Warboss Kurgan link, covering all previous ones, solved and unsolved.
And here we go with the first of 2026.
I’m thinking something Orky, myself.
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Post by: Olthannon
Blessings be upon the 2026 engine.
I wonder if it's something linked to that flamethrower rumour engine from a few weeks back that we all assumed was Cities of Sigmar or similar.
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
Oooh! Could be you know.
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Post by: The Phazer
Could be some kind of steampunk bit for the rumoured Cogforts (which is what I think the flamethrower was from too).
Not impossible it's something for 40k Orks either I guess.
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Post by: Dysartes
It's either a pipe, or a very well-supported external lower intestine...
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
The ribbing makes me think 40K over AoS.
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Post by: MajorWesJanson
Maybe another set of necromunda hangers on?
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Post by: Jadenim
It’s a bit too neat to be Orks; most of their hoses have stitching or patches, etc.
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Post by: Nevelon
Bio-organic demon engine?
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Post by: Fayric
The construction resemble the firebrand cultist, so big flamer sounds likely.
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Post by: The Power Cosmic
I'll go longshot and say Kroot Aircraft
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Post by: skrulnik
Horus Heresy Dark Mechanicum Myrmidons w Melee weapons
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
Chaos Marine Flail?
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Post by: Nevelon
Solid chaos vibes.
What scale do we think? Marine size? Dread? And game scale? Epic or normal?
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
Definitely not Epic Scale. The tubing, even for Titan Scale looks too well defined.
Beyond that? Hard to say. Automatically Appended Next Post: Outside chance however it could be a corrupted Titan weapon tail. Very outside chance though. Albeit one I’d love to be wrong about.
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Post by: Oguhmek
Lorgar?
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Post by: KidCthulhu
Given the size of the pitting/denting, I'm going to say this flail head is for an infantry-sized 40K/Heresy model as opposed to a dred or titan.
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Post by: Tastyfish
Defiler flail?
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Post by: Theophony
I'm going Necron. The flail sections look to me like some of the tentacle/ tendrils on some of the Necron models.
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
Could be Blackstone forming the main head, that’s for sure.
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Post by: Tsagualsa
For absolutely no discernible reason i say Chaos, and i have a hunch that it (and some of the other recent enginen offerings) represents the first forays into DarkMech/Vashtorr-aligned territory, possibly by way of Iron Warriors.
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Post by: lord_blackfang
Is that a shaft or a mechadendrite? It seems to be curving a bit. If the latter, it could be part of something huge... and you know what the only chaos model is with a mechadendrite flail? Defiler. Which I'm pretty sure we've heard rumours of of being resculpted.
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Post by: kronk
We're supposed to be getting Huron's crew and some other renegades, right? Maybe it's one of those dudes in that silhouette picture? Chaos Marine Flail is a good guess.
Edit: Could it be hanging off the belt of one of these guys and not seen in the picture?
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
The the shape of the haft/links is reminiscent of this fella.
Link in case pic doesn’t work
https://www.warhammer.com/en-GB/shop/necrons-overlord-2023?queryID=0c36632872900dec699855affb042f5e
Not a direct match of course.
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Post by: Fayric
My bet and hope is either helbrute or defiler.
The mechadendrite part looks exactly like the toung of the maulerfiend.
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Post by: Tawnis
kronk wrote:
We're supposed to be getting Huron's crew and some other renegades, right? Maybe it's one of those dudes in that silhouette picture? Chaos Marine Flail is a good guess.
Edit: Could it be hanging off the belt of one of these guys and not seen in the picture?

The rifle that the guy on the far left is holding looks an awful lot like the one we all thought was going to be for a new Kroot model. The Londaxi style weapon, I'll go see if I can find a pic...
Automatically Appended Next Post:
Doesn't look like I can copy paste into here, but the one from this page:
https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/540/815526.page
The dog on the far right also looks like the rumor engine animal leg we were discussing here:
https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/600/815526.page
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
Haven’t the foggiest!
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Post by: Olthannon
It sure is a weird one.
Very Imperial sniper scope on a whacky ass tube?
It's a very odd blend of "conventional" in the sense of the scope and rifle strap and the weird alien barrel. Which makes me think it's something humanoid.
My only thoughts are it's some GSC sniper using some bioform?
The Necromunda bug dudes?
A fun cool Xenos auxiliary but sadly not one for Tau.
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
The bulbous bit makes me think Skaven, but the rest is too refined for those maniacs. And the scope, the only thing we can see the whole of, is almost certainly 40K, due to real world looking widgety bits.
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Post by: lord_blackfang
Probably the same faction as the zany flamethrower.
And, as we were just reminded with Huron's crew, the Rumour Engine loves spamming bits from impossible to predict character sets.
So I'm gonna say an AoS something-hunter character unit / warband full of anachronistic tech.
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Post by: KidCthulhu
The crack under the scope makes me think Necromunda. So maybe Ash Waste Nomads?
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Post by: Lathe Biosas
Not a Space Marine nor Necron!
I'm helping!
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Post by: MajorWesJanson
Sky Dwarf?
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
Not with those dainty fingers.
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Post by: Dryaktylus
lord_blackfang wrote:Probably the same faction as the zany flamethrower.
And, as we were just reminded with Huron's crew, the Rumour Engine loves spamming bits from impossible to predict character sets.
So I'm gonna say an AoS something-hunter character unit / warband full of anachronistic tech.
Maybe it's for those regulary mentioned Goblin/Grot balloon sky-pirates. I guess they need some shooting to hassle the Kharadrons (or anyone else) and the flamer, the hose and the gun would pass for Gobbo High Tek.
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Post by: The Power Cosmic
I'll go with something Kharadron
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
Paws for thought.
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Post by: Nevelon
Chaos stead? Deathriders?
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Post by: Olthannon
Interesting. It's not quite like the Krieg horses, or anything particularly Tyranidy?
Some weird little Xenos maybe?
It's not Kroot is it?
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Post by: Overread
My first thought was something Slaanesh.
It's not really striking me as Tyranid and the Krieg horses have much more of a talon than hoof.
If its Slaanesh it could be anything; new mounts; leaders etc
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Post by: Tastyfish
Scavies and muties combined for Necromunda?
Or perhaps Exodites...
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
The hoof looks quite Tyranids to me. Particularly the ‘ribbing’ as it meets the foot.
But. We seem to have some kind of fur as well, which isn’t a Tyranids thing. Even Genestealer Hybrids are baldies.
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Post by: Nevelon
I ruled out nids originally, as they generally have the foot spike on the back of the leg above the hoof. But looking more into it, the flyrant has 2 little claws flanking the feet talons, and the SK has a little stabby toe next to theirs.
So maybe nids.
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
Looks too squidgy flesh though, rather than exoskeleton.
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Post by: Nevelon
You are not wrong.
My first thoughts were “this cannot be a nid, structure is off”. But I’ve soffened that to “probably not nid”
Still thinking mutated horse of some sort.
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Post by: exanimus
Could it be? Plastic Centigors?
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
Super outside chance? But bear with me on this one…
Horse-stealer Hybrids. Perhaps a cavalry or centauroid unit.
I mean, background wise? There’s nothing to stop a Genestealer doing its Filthy Nature to any mammal or mammal adjacent species. You just don’t necessarily get much in the way of a useful cult of doing that alone.
But. Introduce Tyranid genetics to a beast of burden? And like Human Hybrids, they’d be possessed of greater strength and endurance.
Which, for Horsey? Could make for excellent mounts for advanced scouts. Not just naturally capable of traversing rough terrain? But able to do so for longer, on fewer rations.
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Post by: skeleton
it looks a lot like the foot of a not horse from krieg
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Post by: Gir Spirit Bane
Probably some kind of new Lumineth Realm Lord cavalry unit is my bet, or something else AoS non horse adjacent. New monstrous cavalry for Cities of Sigmar?
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Post by: lord_blackfang
Gorkamorka Muties, surely.
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Post by: Shakalooloo
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Super outside chance? But bear with me on this one…
Horse-stealer Hybrids. Perhaps a cavalry or centauroid unit.
I mean, background wise? There’s nothing to stop a Genestealer doing its Filthy Nature to any mammal or mammal adjacent species. You just don’t necessarily get much in the way of a useful cult of doing that alone.
But. Introduce Tyranid genetics to a beast of burden? And like Human Hybrids, they’d be possessed of greater strength and endurance.
Which, for Horsey? Could make for excellent mounts for advanced scouts. Not just naturally capable of traversing rough terrain? But able to do so for longer, on fewer rations.
GSC have the coolest bikes already, why would they want/need horses?  I'd rather have hybrid ogryns or ratlings, personally.
Tyranids have never had their 'ankle' at that point, and it looks like hair on the upper part of the picture, so I'm ruling them out as candidates. I want to believe in Exodites.
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Post by: streetsamurai
Probably the feet of a small critter that comes with a larger model unfortunately
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Post by: lord_blackfang
Oh oh it's whatever made up mount the AoS shadow elves have. Perhaps half ostrich half horse. But because this is the rumour engine, it's a single mounted elf guy in an Underworlds gang.
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Post by: Shakalooloo
A new Night Lord character, with legs even more fethed up than the Kill Team Raptor guy.
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
First solve of the year. It’s a Mutilator.
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
Probably Imperial Guard. Likely tying into Eye of Terror.
Also looks like a classic Reaver Titan Powerfist to me.
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Post by: parakuribo
Unlikely, but it could also be a Fist Marine(either Dorn coming back somehow, or Kantor getting the Primaris upgrades).
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
Solarite Gauntlet for Aquilon Terminators maybe?
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Post by: Ashiraya
It doesn't look quite right for Custodes in terms of shape, overall design and symbol. The bulk is there, otherwise I'd say this is a slam dunk for the Guard.
Who am I kidding, this is for yet another Space Marine named character coming up.
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Post by: Nevelon
Guessing base decoration. What’s up with the knuckles and the bulge in the top right? Looks like it;s detached/broken/stripped for parts.
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Post by: Insularum
Very similar to the recent store anniversary Catachan Colonel power fist with the overall square shape, aquila at the elbow end and the exposed knuckle pistons.
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Post by: Olthannon
I'm thinking Guard as well, new character or some such?
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Post by: Asmodai
It's fancier than the Power Fists in the Command Squads, so I'm guessing an officer of some sort or special character.
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Post by: parakuribo
Either Yarrick or Iron Hand could've gotten upgrades, but both limbs are right arms, so that rules them out.
I think insul almost got it right: Catachan could be updated next edition.
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Post by: StewMan Group
My guess is another commissar sculpt. The one in the krieg box has a power fist, the generic standalone commissar does not. Similar piston design to the krieg commissar as well but similar decorative elements to the generic commissar’s chest plate I think
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Post by: lord_blackfang
The first legion-specific Saturnine upgrade sprue!
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Post by: StraightSilver
My money would be on Catachans but it could also be Tempestus Scions maybe?
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Post by: xttz
The open knuckle design is consistently used across Cadian, Krieg, and Catachan powerfists.
It's almost certainly guard, hopefully new Catachans.
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Post by: ImAGeek
xttz wrote:The open knuckle design is consistently used across Cadian, Krieg, and Catachan powerfists.
It's almost certainly guard, hopefully new Catachans.
It feels too fancy for Catachans, I’d expect it to be more utilitarian. It’s fancier than the command squad ones for Cadian and Krieg which doesn’t feel right for Catachans. Automatically Appended Next Post: Nevelon wrote:Guessing base decoration. What’s up with the knuckles and the bulge in the top right? Looks like it;s detached/broken/stripped for parts.
That’s what the knuckles look like on IG power fists.
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Post by: Shakalooloo
The fist of the Yarrick dread.
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Post by: Olthannon
Just like to point towards this power fist on the Catachan colonel.
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Post by: Mr_Rose
Which other regiment has fancy trim?
Scions maybe?
A tempestus scion marshal might be a thing…
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Post by: ImAGeek
Olthannon wrote:
Just like to point towards this power fist on the Catachan colonel.
Or this one on the Cadian command squad, or this one on the Krieg one…
It’s defo IG, it’s not Catachan specific and I’d be very surprised if this fancy glove was a Catachan model (unless it’s a Commissar).
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Post by: skrulnik
Is that style of winged skull on anything else?
I notice it's different from the Catachan PFist & the Krieg Officer chestplate above.
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Post by: Mr_Rose
It looks kinda like the one on the Tempestus scion banner, but with the wings turned vertical.
Edit: also that commissar chest plate.
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Post by: The Phazer
ImAGeek wrote: Olthannon wrote:
Just like to point towards this power fist on the Catachan colonel.
Or this one on the Cadian command squad, or this one on the Krieg one…
It’s defo IG, it’s not Catachan specific and I’d be very surprised if this fancy glove was a Catachan model (unless it’s a Commissar).
It doesn't strike me as outside the realms of possibility that we'd get a Catachan squad for Kill Team soon. We don't have many rumours left (other than the nebulous Exodites and Gray Knights that are supposedly coming at some point) and the next set will presumably get revealed at Adepticon too.
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Post by: MajorWesJanson
I'd love to see a Catachan Devils kill team as a veteran melee guard unit, then feed into a full catachan redo like kreig did.
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Post by: Mr_Rose
MajorWesJanson wrote:I'd love to see a Catachan Devils kill team as a veteran melee guard unit, then feed into a full catachan redo like kreig did.
Catachan Devils vs. a squad of Von Ryan’s Leapers in a new set of jungle terrain, using the old “everything is jungle” terrain rules from 4th (I think) edition. It would make the perfect KT big box, which is why it will never happen.
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Post by: Tastyfish
MajorWesJanson wrote:I'd love to see a Catachan Devils kill team as a veteran melee guard unit, then feed into a full catachan redo like kreig did.
I think we might even see them as the integrated "heavy weapons" guard. The guy carrying a heavy bolter like Harker or the old Mike McVey Golden Daemon entry with options for missile launcher & autocannon (ala Bragg) feels like it would be perfect for Kill Team, and also make them stand out a little more against the other two (whilst also grandfathering in some older players squad loadouts).
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Post by: Ashiraya
Tastyfish wrote: MajorWesJanson wrote:I'd love to see a Catachan Devils kill team as a veteran melee guard unit, then feed into a full catachan redo like kreig did.
I think we might even see them as the integrated "heavy weapons" guard. The guy carrying a heavy bolter like Harker or the old Mike McVey Golden Daemon entry with options for missile launcher & autocannon (ala Bragg) feels like it would be perfect for Kill Team, and also make them stand out a little more against the other two (whilst also grandfathering in some older players squad loadouts).
I admittedly kind of hope they don't do that, if only because carrying around a Heavy Bolter like that was specifically Harker's thing due to the man being a freak of nature and basically a Space Marine. If they all got Harkers in every squad it would make it too "normal".
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Post by: MajorWesJanson
Maybe a flamer or heavy stubber as a special weapon, and a heavy flamer or missile launcher as a heavy? Then a special melee guy with a power fist or eviscerator
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Post by: Olthannon
Maybe not a heavy bolter, but a heavy stubber with a big bandolier or a SAW multilaser or something would be terrific. If it is going to be new Catachan I beg GW to not shirk on the 80s action hero stuff and give them all sorts of ludicrous special weapons.
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Post by: Mr_Rose
Is there any squad heavy weapon more Catachan than a minigun? Call it a heavy stubber if you must, but a rotor cannon backed with a heavy flamer? Dooo iiit!
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Post by: Ashiraya
Mr_Rose wrote:Is there any squad heavy weapon more Catachan than a minigun? Call it a heavy stubber if you must, but a rotor cannon backed with a heavy flamer? Dooo iiit!
Good news, there's precedent for this: the Rotor Cannon!
Peep the bottom lad.
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Post by: Platuan4th
Ashiraya wrote: I admittedly kind of hope they don't do that, if only because carrying around a Heavy Bolter like that was specifically Harker's thing due to the man being a freak of nature and basically a Space Marine. If they all got Harkers in every squad it would make it too "normal". Is it really Harker's "thing" when both Ox from the Last Chancers and "Try Again" Bragg did it before him? There's precedent for it is the point.
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Post by: Ashiraya
Aren't those heavy stubbers? Those are substantially less heavy and powerful than heavy bolters. For example, they aren't even Heavy if Space Marines take them in 30k as part of Weapons of Desperation.
Heavy stubbers are basically just WW2-era machine guns in SPACE.
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Post by: Shakalooloo
Bragg carries an AUTOCANNON in one Gaunt's story.
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Post by: Fayric
If they receuited street punks from necromunda they could walk around with h-bolters lascannons or whatever.
In the guard its probably a matter of resources, and not putting expencive weapons in the hands of expendable grunts.
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Post by: Olthannon
The DKoK were a "veteran" squad. A Catachan KT would be a good opportunity to bring back Hardened Veterans and thus plenty of non-standard kit choices.
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
That’s a feather in your cap.
Reminds me of Pirazzo’s Lost Legion. But surely it can’t be?
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Post by: Asmodai
An Empire feather covered in ice made me immediately think Kislev.
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Post by: Nevelon
Definitely a cap feather, but not a happy one. So undead empire-ish model is my guess. Although could be something like a goblin pirate being a little fancy.
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Post by: KidCthulhu
Could also be a rogue trader or a fancy hanger-on in the 41st millennium. But I really do hope for something fantasy-ish, even if it's just Bloodbowl.
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Post by: Nevelon
KidCthulhu wrote:Could also be a rogue trader or a fancy hanger-on in the 41st millennium. But I really do hope for something fantasy-ish, even if it's just Bloodbowl.
No self respecting rouge trader would let their feather get in such a desperate state!
But yes, it could be a lot of noble/fancy/rich types from the 40k universe.
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Post by: Platuan4th
Ashiraya wrote:Aren't those heavy stubbers? Those are substantially less heavy and powerful than heavy bolters. For example, they aren't even Heavy if Space Marines take them in 30k as part of Weapons of Desperation.
Heavy stubbers are basically just WW2-era machine guns in SPACE.
Nope, as noted Bragg carries an Autocannon at times among other heavy weapons and Ox very much carries a Heavy Bolter and even had rule for moving and firing with it in 3rd Edition.
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Post by: Olthannon
I thought it was a quill at first rather than a cap feather.
Although looking at the corner it definitely looks more like a metal helmet. Speaking of Pizarro it does have that morion crest to it...
But surely GW wouldn't be cool enough to give us all DoW???
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Post by: Astmeister
New Warhammer empire models!
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Post by: KidCthulhu
Olthannon wrote:I thought it was a quill at first rather than a cap feather.
Although looking at the corner it definitely looks more like a metal helmet. Speaking of Pizarro it does have that morion crest to it...
But surely GW wouldn't be cool enough to give us all DoW???
Given the size of the feather, I thought it might a plume on a horse's heavy barding rather than a human-sized helmet.
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
Could it be a pauldron rather than a helmet? Which by position would make a quill rather than a plume?
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Post by: Shakalooloo
Olthannon wrote:I thought it was a quill at first rather than a cap feather.
Although looking at the corner it definitely looks more like a metal helmet. Speaking of Pizarro it does have that morion crest to it...
But surely GW wouldn't be cool enough to give us all DoW???
If they did, Pirazzo wouldn't be there. Since they've set The Old World ~250 years before the old 'present day', very few of the named Mercenaries will even have been born at that period.
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Post by: skeleton
Mayby its from the rumoured new imperial gaurd unit.
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Post by: Commodus Leitdorf
Watch them throw a curve ball and its a Ventrillian Nobles Kill Team.
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
Shakalooloo wrote: Olthannon wrote:I thought it was a quill at first rather than a cap feather.
Although looking at the corner it definitely looks more like a metal helmet. Speaking of Pizarro it does have that morion crest to it...
But surely GW wouldn't be cool enough to give us all DoW???
If they did, Pirazzo wouldn't be there. Since they've set The Old World ~250 years before the old 'present day', very few of the named Mercenaries will even have been born at that period.
Could be Border Prince units? Being in some Tilea and Estalian flair. Automatically Appended Next Post: Askherly, on The Old World? Do we have all the forces covered on release now? If so, perhaps Border Princes/Mercenaries are looking more realistic as the next big addition?
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Post by: Mr_Rose
Would love to see a third big book o’ armies, to go with forces of fantasy and ravening hordes we have: renegades and mercenaries, covering all the wacky niche units we know and love, plus several army lists that use those units but with different themes like “hireling army” “pirate raiders” “Silk Road caravan guard” and “actually just the old ogre list”
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Post by: Scottywan82
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Probably Imperial Guard. Likely tying into Eye of Terror.
Also looks like a classic Reaver Titan Powerfist to me.
This looks just like the Power Fist from the Carl Weathers Catachan Colonel model.
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Post by: Olthannon
Shakalooloo wrote: Olthannon wrote:I thought it was a quill at first rather than a cap feather.
Although looking at the corner it definitely looks more like a metal helmet. Speaking of Pizarro it does have that morion crest to it...
But surely GW wouldn't be cool enough to give us all DoW???
If they did, Pirazzo wouldn't be there. Since they've set The Old World ~250 years before the old 'present day', very few of the named Mercenaries will even have been born at that period.
Yeah sorry I meant more Tilea/ Estalia minis. The old 5th DoW army did just have generic crossbowmen and pikemen etc. Given they're doing a lot with the Border Princes it's an ideal addition to the game and an easy money spinner.
Trouble is making the playstyle unique and different from Empire / Cathay.
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Post by: Fayric
Feather is obviously mordheim remake. Perhaps an ostland veteran?
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Post by: Mr_Rose
Olthannon wrote: Shakalooloo wrote: Olthannon wrote:I thought it was a quill at first rather than a cap feather.
Although looking at the corner it definitely looks more like a metal helmet. Speaking of Pizarro it does have that morion crest to it...
But surely GW wouldn't be cool enough to give us all DoW???
If they did, Pirazzo wouldn't be there. Since they've set The Old World ~250 years before the old 'present day', very few of the named Mercenaries will even have been born at that period.
Yeah sorry I meant more Tilea/ Estalia minis. The old 5th DoW army did just have generic crossbowmen and pikemen etc. Given they're doing a lot with the Border Princes it's an ideal addition to the game and an easy money spinner.
Trouble is making the playstyle unique and different from Empire / Cathay.
Pikes and light cavalry. No heavy knights at all, or maybe as a 0-1 rare to represent the border prince’s personal retainers. Also, heavy windlass crossbows rather than the hand-drawn ones the Empire and Dwarfs use.
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
Galloper Guns as well. Lighter than most Cannon, sure. But when they can trot about threatening to line up flank shots? Arguably more influential and higher damage potential.
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Post by: Mr_Rose
Exactly. More of a "drive them into a spiked pit" vs "run up and smash them over the head" kind of play-style.
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
Indeed. Plus the different Regiments of Pike brought different things. Not necessarily enough of a difference, but the effort was cool.
Birdmen of Catrazza were fun, and could prove a real pest to enemy Artillery in a similar way to Harpies and latterly Gargoyles. Small, roving unit which your opponent couldn’t really move or march block, and so if there was a decent target for them, had to be actively engaged. Add in their light crossbows, and they didn’t even need to get terribly close to threaten Crew and lone characters scuttling about outside of a regiment’s protection.
The biggest downside? All metal army. So they were pretty damned expensive to collect as a full army.
Worth noting this was firmly in the days of “you can fight in two ranks at most, less one dude for every casualty you’ve taken in that round of combat”. And so Pikes, which could fight in four ranks were pretty damned fearsome.
Typically not terribly hard to kill (with T3, even Heavy Armour will only carry you so far), but with almost always a bucket of attacks back regardless? They did the attrition game wonderfully.
Just….protect your damned flanks. Which again is where the Galloper Guns, Birdmen and Vesparro’s Vendetta could come in handy.
In conclusion? If you let the Dogs of War player dictate the flow of the battle, you were probably on your way to a pretty brutal kicking.
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Post by: KidCthulhu
That reminds me; I need to paint my Vespero's Vendetta, Pizarro's Lost Legion, and Voland's Venators
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Post by: Shakalooloo
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Indeed. Plus the different Regiments of Pike brought different things. Not necessarily enough of a difference, but the effort was cool.
Birdmen of Catrazza were fun, and could prove a real pest to enemy Artillery in a similar way to Harpies and latterly Gargoyles. Small, roving unit which your opponent couldn’t really move or march block, and so if there was a decent target for them, had to be actively engaged. Add in their light crossbows, and they didn’t even need to get terribly close to threaten Crew and lone characters scuttling about outside of a regiment’s protection.
The biggest downside? All metal army. So they were pretty damned expensive to collect as a full army.
Worth noting this was firmly in the days of “you can fight in two ranks at most, less one dude for every casualty you’ve taken in that round of combat”. And so Pikes, which could fight in four ranks were pretty damned fearsome.
Typically not terribly hard to kill (with T3, even Heavy Armour will only carry you so far), but with almost always a bucket of attacks back regardless? They did the attrition game wonderfully.
Just….protect your damned flanks. Which again is where the Galloper Guns, Birdmen and Vesparro’s Vendetta could come in handy.
In conclusion? If you let the Dogs of War player dictate the flow of the battle, you were probably on your way to a pretty brutal kicking.
Again though, the really cool DoW stuff isn't available in this time period; no galloper guns, slayer pirates or birdmen. GW would have to put some effort into thinking up some wacky, awesome alternatives, and I'm not sure they're up to it.
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Post by: KidCthulhu
I'd be happy with just the non-Regiments of Reknown DoW list: pikemen, heavy cavalry, duelists, marauders, crossbow men.
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
Nothing wrong with altering the timeline. Whilst fondly remembered, the Dogs of War range was sadly mostly a short lived sideshow.
Bronzino got his Galloper Gun idea from somewhere. Why not historical documents?
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Post by: Mr_Rose
Didn’t the list have generic light cannon, with Bronzino’s particular named company just being the best at the move-and-fire thing? Or was that a later version?
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Post by: Nevelon
Mr_Rose wrote:Didn’t the list have generic light cannon, with Bronzino’s particular named company just being the best at the move-and-fire thing? Or was that a later version?
Did DoW get army rules outside of 5th edition WHFB?
Checking may army book, it was a handful of generic characters, and everything else was a specific regiment of renown or named character.
Nothing in the 6th ravening hordes pamphlet. I stopped collecting army books at some point into 6th, so if there was one I might have missed it. Dropped out of WHFB at that point.
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
I don’t recall them getting anything else.
But then, some units were added (Cursed Company, Tuichi-uichi’s Raiders, and I think another one I can’t remember for the life of me). When that happened I honestly don’t know.
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Post by: Tsagualsa
Nevelon wrote: Mr_Rose wrote:Didn’t the list have generic light cannon, with Bronzino’s particular named company just being the best at the move-and-fire thing? Or was that a later version?
Did DoW get army rules outside of 5th edition WHFB?
Checking may army book, it was a handful of generic characters, and everything else was a specific regiment of renown or named character.
Nothing in the 6th ravening hordes pamphlet. I stopped collecting army books at some point into 6th, so if there was one I might have missed it. Dropped out of WHFB at that point.
They had some sort of "Ravening Hordes: Addendum" in White Dwarf shortly after 6th edition came around, and a couple of Regiments of Renown were added during 6th edition (Mengil's Manflayers and the Company of the Damned iirc.) - the army list had generic units for the stuff in the 5th edition army book, i.e. "generic pikemen" and such, which could be fitted out with either equipment or a short list of magic items to closely match specific 5h edition RoRs (i.e. the generic crossbowmen had options for heavy armour and pavises, there was a leopard banner to make the leopard company and so on). It was published in two parts, the first having all the generic stuff and the second the more outlandish RoRs and special characters, and was collected in Warhammer Chronicles 2004.
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Post by: KidCthulhu
I have Warhammer Annuals for 2002 and 2003 that gave 6th ed rules for DoW.
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Post by: Olthannon
It's gotta be Troggoth or Giant something of that ilk right?
Only other thing I can think is it looks vaguely Bloodbowl shaped?
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Post by: Inquisitor Gideon
Something about the nail doesn't seem trogg. Looks more like a Kruleboy hand.
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Post by: Nevelon
Rock with a fossil made me think iodenenth deepkin.
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Post by: DaveC
I've painted enough 3 fingered Man Crusher Gargants to think that's one of the rumoured Gargant variants for either CoS or SoB.
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Post by: Inquisitor Gideon
That's a very good shout.
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
Puts me in mind of Ogroids.
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Post by: Tastyfish
DaveC wrote:I've painted enough 3 fingered Man Crusher Gargants to think that's one of the rumoured Gargant variants for either CoS or SoB.
Female giant isn't it as far as the rumours go, or was that Ogres (or both)?
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Post by: lord_blackfang
Rockguts are the only faction that regularly holds rocks, innit?
More importantly... they hold rocks with ammonite fossils in them.
This isn't even the only one in the kit. It's defo part of their particular design language.
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Post by: His Master's Voice
I don't think that's a Troll hand. AoS Trolls all share the same weird swollen wrist design, right?
Edit: Okay, the Stone Trolls sort of have actual wrists, so maybe that is a Troll hand after all.
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
Outside chance again? But if we continue the theme from last week?
Albion Giants.
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Post by: NAVARRO
The sleeve and neat wrist band suggest something smaller than giants.
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
???
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Post by: Nevelon
Orc or necromunda scrap build?
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Post by: Inquisitor Gideon
Looks Cities of Sigmar if i was to hazard a guess. Reminds me of the banding on the cannon.
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Post by: Nevelon
Is there tech both that refined and battered? I thought they were “cleaner” with their mechanicals.
Honest question, not that familer with their modern range.
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Post by: Olthannon
I'm going to say Cities of Sigmar. As Gideon says it's very similar to the Ironweld Cannon.
For reference Nevelon, yeah their range is a very battered appearance.
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Post by: Platuan4th
I'm guessing it's part of the Cogfort.
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Post by: Geifer
It's a Norktilus, an Ork land sub to coincide with the glorious return of Orkimedes.
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Post by: legionaires
Cogfort is my bet as well
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Post by: Shakalooloo
Weapon carried by a new giant.
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