Well it depicts a pyramid with rays of light coming from above, so I would say realm of light sounds plausible.
I would say a tomb kings blood bowl team if it were not for the misplaced candles.
I'm guessing the new Death faction as well. My thinking is that the pyramid represents Nagash's Black Pyramid, which caused the Necroquake when it was sabotaged.
Candles have always been part of the iconography for the Light Magic, plus the pyramid-like structure points my opinions towards something from the realm of Light. Egyptian-ish Lightn Elves to go with Greek-ish DoKs?
Realm of light mixed with death actually gives more credence to the Tomb Kings wish. They used light and death magic. Food for thought...I was thinking more likely to be Vlad, but now I think TK players might get their wish...
Danny76 wrote: I’d go as far as saying 100% no upgrade pack for them, or anyone.
The releases don’t get based on WD articles.
Also no Marine army got anything.
Blood Ravens don't have anything to get.
Imperial Fists, we know there's a sprue but they futzed it up. Anvils are one of the key lore players right now and haven't ever gotten any upgrade sets that I can recall.
Do we think the hook heads are possibly also solved from the Ogre? Maybe round his back?
Pyramid, rays of light, runes that have a moon shape with two tears (not unlike the hand of Isha on Teclis's staff), I'm going to go with Hyshian elves/something too.
Nope, it’s a colony of candle-squigs nesting on a gravestone.
They have these in 40k too; most prominently in the under-lit caverns occupied by the Cawdor faction on Necromunda, where they infest everything from the shelves to the rats to the people themselves.
Duskweaver wrote: The accompanying text talks of "a crash of thunder and a flash of light", so it's probably something related to the Realm of Light in AoS.
That also could refer to a storm, ie it's Stormcast, everyone already knows deep-down that it's Stormcast, and the closest they're going to get to Tomb Kings coming back is "Settra is a Stormcast now"
I'm going with Wanderers. It looks really similar to the boots the Wild Riders have.
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The Wild Riders don't have the toecap, but there's also no mounted characters for Wanderers anymore...so maybe it's a Nomad Prince on Steed of Kurnous?
Underworlds is the 'range' name.
Shadespire was the name of the first season, Nightvault was the second, and Beastgrave is the third.
We saw the silhouettes and I guess it's entirely possible but I hope it's a hero kit for the Wanderers. Otherwise the Free Cities thing is gonna hurt.
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Voss wrote: Elf team for blood bowl? Its the kind of spikey boot I'd expect for BB, and there are a lot of elf teams
We have all three Elf teams. Wood Elves just came out not long ago.
Eh? There are at least 4 to my knowledge. High, dark, wood and pro elves (which is like the first one but visually distinct, and a few position shuffles). Maybe they got canned in the revision, but they certainly used to exist.
I'm going with Wanderers. It looks really similar to the boots the Wild Riders have.
Spoiler:
The Wild Riders don't have the toecap, but there's also no mounted characters for Wanderers anymore...so maybe it's a Nomad Prince on Steed of Kurnous?
?? It literally looks nothing like that boot, lol. Not even a slight resemblance.
I'm going with Wanderers. It looks really similar to the boots the Wild Riders have.
Spoiler:
The Wild Riders don't have the toecap, but there's also no mounted characters for Wanderers anymore...so maybe it's a Nomad Prince on Steed of Kurnous?
?? It literally looks nothing like that boot, lol. Not even a slight resemblance.
Gotta agree.
The first thing I thought when looking at the two pictures was that they are nothing alike.
Material maybe. As in both made of leather, sure.
But the straps, spikes, buckle things, studs. Lots going on.
The riders boot, literally plain. Completely plain.
Looks very Dark Elf or Slaanesh like. Not sure where we're seeing a resemblance to Wild Riders (ok, one person)?
If they did such teases I'd say a Star Player for Dark Elf Blood Bowl but that would be unprecedented and I doubt it. Maybe something for Underworlds or even Warcry (Shadow Elves)? Looks a bit too aggressive to come from the Light or even Wanderers side but who knows?
Fayric wrote: Dont know why, but the boot look to elaborate to be warcry. Most gangs there dont even get shoes.
Looks pretty sinister though.
Clown Warband with fancy shoes?!
Ah, a reimagining of the old mordheim gang "Carnival of Chaos"!
That would actually be an awesome concept to have it still touring the mortal realms. Could fit with warcry or beastgrave. Weird, but not as scary as The Unbound.
bullyboy wrote: ?? It literally looks nothing like that boot, lol. Not even a slight resemblance.
Gotta agree.
The first thing I thought when looking at the two pictures was that they are nothing alike.
Material maybe. As in both made of leather, sure.
But the straps, spikes, buckle things, studs. Lots going on.
The riders boot, literally plain. Completely plain.
Well, he was wrong in pretty much every guess so far (with especially hilarious instance where he insisted for months that picture that clearly shown reivers (due to, oh, only wrong armour, grenades, guns, melee weapons, helmets, and heads identical to plastic reiver kit) was somehow infiltrator squad instead even after dozen people corrected him) I'd say you're right, there is zero chance of it being anything even close to wanderers, this looks closer to a space marine boot than to old elf one
eohall wrote: Bright wizard? Would fit with the potential Hierophant candle tombstone thing.
Oh, that is very good call, actually. One thing that puzzles me is why they would redo that kit, though, old mages are still pretty nice and characterful kit. Updating them to AoS aesthetic, perhaps?
Hmm. There's also the AFAIK unsolved (?) flaming brazier thingy from December which could fit on a bright wizard's staff. But why would they release a wizard, tho - free peoples band for Underworlds?
MobileSuitRandom wrote: Hmm. There's also the AFAIK unsolved (?) flaming brazier thingy from December which could fit on a bright wizard's staff. But why would they release a wizard, tho - free peoples band for Underworlds?
They were one of the rumored warbands for Beastgrave...so maybe?
That Cubicle 7 art I posted is interesting, as most of the other art we've gotten has been 'based on the models'...maybe they're planning on releasing a Battlemage blister with a female instead of a male like the box has?
timetowaste85 wrote: That looks like the chunk of jade statue Grimaldus’ servitor lugs around. Plastic Grimaldus incoming?
makes sense to me. in fact it could even be a grimaldus inspired primaris grav chaplain. assuming the new litanies are done up in the same was dark apostles are, chaos dark apostles will have those minons they can cart around for bonuses on their role, but marines won't.
Lore: "Once a Stormcast dies, they and their armor are transported into Azyr in a flash of lightning to be reforged, only the strongest magic can hold their bodies or armor back"
Design team: "Add bits of Stormcast armor like it's christmas tree tinsel!"
Cronch wrote: Lore: "Once a Stormcast dies, they and their armor are transported into Azyr in a flash of lightning to be reforged, only the strongest magic can hold their bodies or armor back"
Design team: "Add bits of Stormcast armor like it's christmas tree tinsel!"
Maybe he's not dead. They could have captured him.
Cronch wrote: Lore: "Once a Stormcast dies, they and their armor are transported into Azyr in a flash of lightning to be reforged, only the strongest magic can hold their bodies or armor back"
Design team: "Add bits of Stormcast armor like it's christmas tree tinsel!"
Maybe he's not dead. They could have captured him.
It's right there in why he's complaining about it.
Maybe he's not dead. They could have captured him.
I suppose, but there's a disturbingly high number of randomly hostaged stormcast presumably kept solely so their captors can keep displaying their hats, pants and other bits and bobs, if models (especially Destruction) are to be believed
Also from what I can tell in the lore there's a few other bits too to Stormcast being recaptured before death.
1) Armour that they wear is worn, its not magically grafted to them. Thus when the lightning bolt strikes to return them to Sigmar, if their helm has been knocked off or removed or they simply didn't pick it up after putting it down, then they might well not return with it. So its perfectly possible to steal bits of their armour; bash it off; knock it off; remove their limb etc.... The armour returning with the stormcast is more a product of the bolt of power that strikes when they fall which will hit a reasonably decent area around them.
2) As noted above, and a few times in the lore, stormcast can be prevented from returning to Sigmar by powerful magics and spells, auras and possibly even specific regions of the Realms.
3) Peddlers - get your authentic Stormcast Helms! Impress your girlfriend, stir your pot with it, cast fear into the eyes of your enemies! Get your own authentic Stormcast face helms here!
I'm serious if you're any kind of self respecting and powerful Ogre you're going to want your own trophies to show off and if you can't get a Stormcast one then you can sneakishly buy one that you're sure is authentic (its all yellow!).
4) Fallen Stormcast. In Inferno (2 or 3 I forget which) there's a tale of a fighting pit where a Stormcast is held hostage and has lost all faith in Sigmar. A Stormcast who has reached such a point might well abandon their armour and weapons. Broken and unable to feel like returning to their brothers. Stormcast are not perfect warriors, they have flaws and faults and can mentally break.
The new teaser, The Tithe, on YouTube shows off art of a model that could solve a few rumor engines.
The king heads could be the ones on his staff. Both show hooks.
The pyramid tombstone could be the throne he sits on. They both have candles.
And I'm betting the bone scythe will be part of his faction
There’s nothing Eldar about the scythe. A lot of people seem to think it has a spirit stone on it, but it’s just a bone nub that vertebrae have on the sides.
I agree, almost certainly from Scions of the Flame for Warcry. Only other thing involved with fire that is coming out (relatively soon) is SoB and that doesn't like anything they would use.
Segersgia wrote: For a brief second I got excited for a new Jain Zar model.
But that ain't gonna happen.
I really hope you are right, because that would indicate she is getting a more realistic ninja look rather than the current over-the-top madness of a model.
Segersgia wrote: For a brief second I got excited for a new Jain Zar model.
But that ain't gonna happen.
I really hope you are right, because that would indicate she is getting a more realistic ninja look rather than the current over-the-top madness of a model.
Plastic banshee at NOVA, flaming, burned to ash (like a Phoenix!) howling banshee rune in the teaser video. I think the queen of 80’s hair might make a return, and this pic fits her style!
Segersgia wrote: For a brief second I got excited for a new Jain Zar model.
But that ain't gonna happen.
I really hope you are right, because that would indicate she is getting a more realistic ninja look rather than the current over-the-top madness of a model.
Plastic banshee at NOVA, flaming, burned to ash (like a Phoenix!) howling banshee rune in the teaser video. I think the queen of 80’s hair might make a return, and this pic fits her style!
If they drop aspects with their respective phoenix lords I would be over the mother fethin moon!
Lets live and hope eh.
Although it's a different design, the first thing that came to mind was the dragoon lance. Also reminds me of armigers, but only because it looks like a futuristic lance
It looks like the tail end of a weapon, not the "dangerous" end. Could be Jain Zar's Blade of Destruction, or some other spear/halberd type weapon. Although tbh, it doesn't look elven/aeldari to me.
Yeah, that’s an ornate human weapon, not an elf or Eldar one. Looks like the butt of a spear or pike, but with tassels for some reason. Possibly posed with the weapon held out?
I’m hoping it’s some kind of elite Celestian bodyguard weapon.
Erm, wrong. RE base has text on recessed bit, is neat arch without the bottom stony part the above one has, and has crack on the bottom the above one doesn't (plus second arch) even if we try to blame differences on seeing two sides of it:
Where before taller sillier helmet meant bigger status and being more killy, now the more Eldar ruins on the models scenic base the more killy it is. We can safely assume its an Eldar of some sort and hopefully another aspect.
it won't be one of the order races, because its to well made, same goes for the left over chaos races. So that leaves destruction and death. For destruction we know the ogors are coming and this could be part of there release, but it could also be the grot sky pirates which are mentioned in the rumours. If its something for death, it won't be part of the bonereapers, the style seems off, but besides that it fits with death rattle and death walkers, but it could just as well be for a new faction
Fexxo wrote: I thought the same thing but Bugman's Ale has 5 Xs. Would be cool to see a drunken Dwarf faction, or otherwise known as a Dwarf faction.
I hope this is not part of a dwarf faction, it just doesn't fit with them. Dwarfs are master crafts men, so something this badly build doesn't fit them
terry wrote: it could also be the grot sky pirates which are mentioned in the rumours.
I feel that maybe I've been living under a rock and have managed to miss these rumours somehow?!
I'd have said Ogres myself from looking at the pic but If I've got to be wrong then goblin sky pirates sound amazing, too good to be true! Anymore info available at this point or is their rumoured existence all we have to go on?
terry wrote: it could also be the grot sky pirates which are mentioned in the rumours.
I feel that maybe I've been living under a rock and have managed to miss these rumours somehow?!
I'd have said Ogres myself from looking at the pic but If I've got to be wrong then goblin sky pirates sound amazing, too good to be true! Anymore info available at this point or is their rumoured existence all we have to go on?
Sky grot pirates have been mentioned in a lot of battle tomes, like K Overlords and others.
The gem actually matches some of the gems on the new KoS. Could definitely be something for Emp’s Children. Mixed with necklaces, it looks fancy. That’s my guess.
The shadow elf characters from Warhammer Quest Silver Tower also had those angular gems. But the rest of the rumor engine picture doesn't really look anything like that shadow elf.
I wish they wouldn't waste multiple rumor engines on a single model, unless it turns out to be a primarch or someone equally as important. The Salamander is great, but did we really need three rumor engines just for him?
GaroRobe wrote: I wish they wouldn't waste multiple rumor engines on a single model, unless it turns out to be a primarch or someone equally as important. The Salamander is great, but did we really need three rumor engines just for him?
I believe the answer for this one is NO, definitively NO.
It's a tentacle coiled around the grip of a sceptre or mace, with strings of pearls hanging off it. So either something Slaaneshi, or something Idoneth Deepkin-y. Are the Idoneth getting an Underworlds warband? If so, I'd guess it's from that.
Carlovonsexron wrote: It has metal style highlights, so I'm.doubtful it's either a snake.or a tentacle.
Its also a really weird and unnatrual noose shape if its a living tentacle. To me it looks more like something sculpted/ornamental made to look like a snake or tentacle -the hook shape holding the pearly string looks more functional than random organic tantacle.
In general I get the feel of a cross shaped banner pole, this beeing one of the side arms. Also imagine it to be likely Idonet despite them not having those kind of jewels.
Ofcourse, I have been wrong many times before.
It looks like the end of a magical staff. The gemstone set in a metal binding, the curved lower prong and then likely a mirrored upper one - with the point bent like that its more decorative than weapon functional and thus suggests magical rather than physical.
Then there's a bead like adornment, suggesting perhaps either a more natural/wild character or on the other side of the coin, a very rich/ostentatious character.
I know they got a release about a year and a half ago, if not sooner, but the design looks heavily DoK to me. The flared oblique attachement of the metal part to the shaft is really similar to the Melusai glaives, and so is the gem shape.
Additionally, at least one Khinerai wears one necklace made with beads similar in pattern to those in the pic.
Plus the serpentine decoration wrapping the gem is somewhat related to the tails of both Melusai and Khinerai.
Not saying it is Daughters of Khaine, but... perhaps.
Overread wrote: Then there's a bead like adornment, suggesting perhaps either a more natural/wild character or on the other side of the coin, a very rich/ostentatious character.
Natural/wild you say?
Funnily enough snake is new TS symbol, and the square gem looks like wolfyiffwolf one, making even better case for it, but it's probably just a random coincidence.
Adam Spielmann wrote: I know they got a release about a year and a half ago, if not sooner, but the design looks heavily DoK to me. The flared oblique attachement of the metal part to the shaft is really similar to the Melusai glaives, and so is the gem shape.
Additionally, at least one Khinerai wears one necklace made with beads similar in pattern to those in the pic.
Plus the serpentine decoration wrapping the gem is somewhat related to the tails of both Melusai and Khinerai.
Not saying it is Daughters of Khaine, but... perhaps.
Could be the rumoured DoK Shadespire band (which would be my guess).
Could be the rumoured DoK Shadespire band (which would be my guess).
Not rumored. There's card art of the Daughters, it means they're in.
Warhammer Underworlds(Shadespire was a 'set' title, not the actual name) has not shown anything on cards that didn't end up in the game for that season/set.
I know this is unlikely, but the mace head reminds me of the clubs used by the Fimir Warrior models from forgeworld. Alot of ogre weapons aren't that well made/more crude looking, but it's way to beat up to be anything that isn't a destruction aligned army.
The Fimir are the only ones I can think of that use some what well built weapons that are beat up and old, and are destruction aligned. But as a forgeworld AoS faction, it's rare for GW to turn FW stuff into plastic now a days. So it also feels like quite the long shot to be what that bit is for.
Lockark wrote: I know this is unlikely, but the mace head reminds me of the clubs used by the Fimir Warrior models from forgeworld. Alot of ogre weapons aren't that well made/more crude looking, but it's way to beat up to be anything that isn't a destruction aligned army.
The Fimir are the only ones I can think of that use some what well built weapons that are beat up and old, and are destruction aligned. But as a forgeworld AoS faction, it's rare for GW to turn FW stuff into plastic now a days. So it also feels like quite the long shot to be what that bit is for.
Lockark wrote: I know this is unlikely, but the mace head reminds me of the clubs used by the Fimir Warrior models from forgeworld. Alot of ogre weapons aren't that well made/more crude looking, but it's way to beat up to be anything that isn't a destruction aligned army.
The Fimir are the only ones I can think of that use some what well built weapons that are beat up and old, and are destruction aligned. But as a forgeworld AoS faction, it's rare for GW to turn FW stuff into plastic now a days. So it also feels like quite the long shot to be what that bit is for.
I concur with the Fimir hypothesis. It’s clearly far too well made for Ogres and too finely made for Orcs, just plain too big for Gobbos, and while it has hints it clearly isn’t any of the established Chaos factions, including the Warcry ones. The closest you get there would be the Cypher Lords.
It also seems out of style for any known Order army and while it could be Death, it’s lacking in obvious bone-features.
Add in the similarity to existing Fimir weapons and boom, Fimir.
I was just about to suggest that. The spikes, wholepiece metal, and worn/used surface looks alot like varanguard. Perhaps Varanguard infantry (Chaos Warriors?)
If it is Fimir (which I really hope it is), it might be for either Beastgrave / Shadespire or Warcry rather than a whole new army. Maybe even just a tiny expansion like the Ambull was for Blackstone Fortress.
bubber wrote: If it is Fimir (which I really hope it is), it might be for either Beastgrave / Shadespire or Warcry rather than a whole new army. Maybe even just a tiny expansion like the Ambull was for Blackstone Fortress.
Whatever it is, it isn't for Underworlds. We have seen zero cards with a Fimir on the art.
WarCry is a possibility, but so is 40k...given that we're going to be seeing Sororitas this year with the Army Pack, this might be something for a new Preacher.
They have mentioned in the past about working on a next.thing for fantasy warhammer quest, and ambulls(40k) and zoats(bloodbowl) would.be complemented perfectly by a Fimir.
I would actually.cave.and pay the absurd Blackstone fortress.xpack price if.it meant getting a Fimir.
Mr_Rose wrote: I concur with the Fimir hypothesis. It’s clearly far too well made for Ogres and too finely made for Orcs, just plain too big for Gobbos, and while it has hints it clearly isn’t any of the established Chaos factions, including the Warcry ones. The closest you get there would be the Cypher Lords.
It also seems out of style for any known Order army and while it could be Death, it’s lacking in obvious bone-features.
Add in the similarity to existing Fimir weapons and boom, Fimir.
There are still 2 warbands to come for Warcry, so it could be for one of them (one of them seem to be like ‘generic’ chaos warriors, varanguard kind of thing, that I could see this being for).
I don’t know where this impression that Spire Tyrants will be like generic chaos warriors is coming from. Nothing about their blurb in the book indicates that, and the accompanying silhouette shows a guys with an axe and horned helm, But no Baroque heavy armor. The blurb states they are pit fighters, so more gladiators than traditional chaos warriors.
Carlovonsexron wrote: They have mentioned in the past about working on a next.thing for fantasy warhammer quest, and ambulls(40k) and zoats(bloodbowl) would.be complemented perfectly by a Fimir.
I would actually.cave.and pay the absurd Blackstone fortress.xpack price if.it meant getting a Fimir.
Carlovonsexron wrote: They have mentioned in the past about working on a next.thing for fantasy warhammer quest, and ambulls(40k) and zoats(bloodbowl) would.be complemented perfectly by a Fimir.
I would actually.cave.and pay the absurd Blackstone fortress.xpack price if.it meant getting a Fimir.
It's going to be ogors, imo. Chances of fimir, chaos dwarfs or any other background WFB race making it to AoS proper instead of them inventing a new one wholecloth is...not great? Especially since Idoneth are already the mist-shrouded raiders from the sea.
Carlovonsexron wrote: They have mentioned in the past about working on a next.thing for fantasy warhammer quest, and ambulls(40k) and zoats(bloodbowl) would.be complemented perfectly by a Fimir.
I would actually.cave.and pay the absurd Blackstone fortress.xpack price if.it meant getting a Fimir.
Oh?! I must have missed this, do you happen to recall where a potential new WHQ was mentioned?
Carlovonsexron wrote: They have mentioned in the past about working on a next.thing for fantasy warhammer quest, and ambulls(40k) and zoats(bloodbowl) would.be complemented perfectly by a Fimir.
I would actually.cave.and pay the absurd Blackstone fortress.xpack price if.it meant getting a Fimir.
Oh?! I must have missed this, do you happen to recall where a potential new WHQ was mentioned?
It's been mentioned on some of the age of sigmar podcasts
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Cronch wrote: It's going to be ogors, imo. Chances of fimir, chaos dwarfs or any other background WFB race making it to AoS proper instead of them inventing a new one wholecloth is...not great? Especially since Idoneth are already the mist-shrouded raiders from the sea.
It's why I thin they would be more likely to come back in warhammer quest, akin to how bloodbowl is getting a Zoat.
Carlovonsexron wrote: They have mentioned in the past about working on a next.thing for fantasy warhammer quest, and ambulls(40k) and zoats(bloodbowl) would.be complemented perfectly by a Fimir.
I would actually.cave.and pay the absurd Blackstone fortress.xpack price if.it meant getting a Fimir.
After you guys talking about the raping of captives? It is of course gruesome, but basically par for the course in ancient and not so ancient history. You don't see people protesting the use of Vikings who raped and slaughtered all over western Europe, or Aztecs who raped and performed vivisection ritual sacrifice, or Comanche who killed, raped, enslaved and brutally tortured their captives.
I of course condemn all such practices, but it is a good sign to me that people are wringing their hands about a fictional race whose culture wouldn't even make them a standout among actual real world cultures.
We've come a long way world! I'm proud of us. (Not being sarcastic).
There is a distinct difference between that eample and the Fimir, which are:
A) Fictional, and therefore don't have to be written in a way that includes rape (look at warhammer Orks for an eample of that)
-and-
B) How the old Fimir HAVE to rape in order to reproduce.
I'd further argue that how normal rape was in past societies doesn't matter; it only matters how we in the current incarnation of society feel about the subject. Using past societies as examples of when rape was 'normalized' only serves to underline the fact that modern day authors should have known better.
Cronch wrote: It's going to be ogors, imo. Chances of fimir, chaos dwarfs or any other background WFB race making it to AoS proper instead of them inventing a new one wholecloth is...not great? Especially since Idoneth are already the mist-shrouded raiders from the sea.
While you're probably right, they are both pretty explicitly referenced in the Core Book
Carlovonsexron wrote: There is a distinct difference between that eample and the Fimir, which are:
A) Fictional, and therefore don't have to be written in a way that includes rape (look at warhammer Orks for an eample of that)
-and-
B) How the old Fimir HAVE to rape in order to reproduce.
I'd further argue that how normal rape was in past societies doesn't matter; it only matters how we in the current incarnation of society feel about the subject. Using past societies as examples of when rape was 'normalized' only serves to underline the fact that modern day authors should have known better.
That presumes someone buys into the idea that the mere depiction of a thing - regardless of the context or how it is presented - is bad if the thing being depicted is bad.
The Fimir as-was are never coming back, because GW has been firmly a parent-friendly company for many years now and no version of rape monsters are parent-friendly, but that's a reflection of GW's chosen audience, not a moral indictment of the writers 30 years ago who were writing for a different audience entirely. Modern society generally considers extreme violence to be undesirable as well, but anyone suggesting "modern day" authors have gone beyond the bounds of decency by merely referring to it happening in a work of fiction(because lets not lose sight of the fact that even at its edgiest, none of the Fimir-related material even got close to actually describing the act in question) would literally be laughed at.
Carlovonsexron wrote: There is a distinct difference between that eample and the Fimir, which are:
A) Fictional, and therefore don't have to be written in a way that includes rape (look at warhammer Orks for an eample of that)
-and-
B) How the old Fimir HAVE to rape in order to reproduce.
I'd further argue that how normal rape was in past societies doesn't matter; it only matters how we in the current incarnation of society feel about the subject. Using past societies as examples of when rape was 'normalized' only serves to underline the fact that modern day authors should have known better.
That presumes someone buys into the idea that the mere depiction of a thing - regardless of the context or how it is presented - is bad if the thing being depicted is bad.
The Fimir as-was are never coming back, because GW has been firmly a parent-friendly company for many years now and no version of rape monsters are parent-friendly, but that's a reflection of GW's chosen audience, not a moral indictment of the writers 30 years ago who were writing for a different audience entirely. Modern society generally considers extreme violence to be undesirable as well, but anyone suggesting "modern day" authors have gone beyond the bounds of decency by merely referring to it happening in a work of fiction(because lets not lose sight of the fact that even at its edgiest, none of the Fimir-related material even got close to actually describing the act in question) would literally be laughed at.
Depiction is not endorsement.
The Fimir were suppose to be a reference to monstrous faye creatures in folklore who would kidnap people. It's just the the writer was ham-fisted in regards to giveing the Fimir a motivation for why they do this, and latter regretted making them a race of rape monsters.
In The Legend of Sigmar omnibus why the Fimir needed a virgin girl was left more ambiguous but was implied to be more sacrificial in nature. It ended up even being a plot point even that the fimir realised their plans wouldn't work because the girl was not a virgin. It has been a few years since I last read the Omnibus so i'm abit foggy on the details, but I recall the fimir being rape monsters were not part of their characterisation in the book, well still sticking to their inspiration as Faye monsters kidnapping people.
So the idea of retconning/adjusting the Fimir lore is something that GW has already played with in regards to their scant appearances in black library materiel.
In the end this is all fiction, and when fiction touches of subjects that make people uncomfortable it needs to be done with a purpose. Not just for shock factor, or some scene of "realism". This is a world with dragons and magic golden knights. Realism isn't a factor here.
Here’s an option; no less gruesome but much less of a hot potato: they’re like any number of bugs and fungi that infest/infect some host species or other with their offspring, which eat them alive from the inside before ‘hatching’ as near-adults.
Mr_Rose wrote: Here’s an option; no less gruesome but much less of a hot potato: they’re like any number of bugs and fungi that infest/infect some host species or other with their offspring, which eat them alive from the inside before ‘hatching’ as near-adults.
Mr_Rose wrote: Here’s an option; no less gruesome but much less of a hot potato: they’re like any number of bugs and fungi that infest/infect some host species or other with their offspring, which eat them alive from the inside before ‘hatching’ as near-adults.
Yep, this would work.
So I can only imagen that going two ways.
Fantasy Chest Busters
or
Exploding into baby Fimir like a party popper exploding into confetti.
The Arch-Kavalos, not the 'Liege-Kavaloi.'
Which I assume is GW doing something terrible to somebody's language.
Oddly, google translate suggests Kavaloi is cavalry in Esperanto of all things, and turns Kavalos into Καβάλος in Greek, and translates that to crotch.
In the end this is all fiction, and when fiction touches of subjects that make people uncomfortable it needs to be done with a purpose. Not just for shock factor, or some scene of "realism". This is a world with dragons and magic golden knights. Realism isn't a factor here.
Those are certainly opinions which you have every right to hold. They are not, however, a nigh-universally agreed moral imperative like "killing people is usually bad".
Personally, I disagree in both regards. The only justification required to include something in fiction is "the author wanted to include it". People are of course free to choose not to read things that contain things they find objectionable if the work doesn't meet their own personal standards for inclusion of objectionable content, but the move towards implying that the fact some people may be made uncomfortable by a work or choose not to read/watch something that contains such things constitutes a reason not to create the work in the first place, and further that it then follows authors and works that do regardless should be subject to some kind of moral judgement, is one I firmly disagree with. And while I didn't actually use the word "realism" in my post and don't use that as a blanket argument for or against anything, I also think using "it's just fantasy fiction" in a blanket fashion to claim, well, anything really, but most commonly some variation of "internal consistency doesn't matter" or "fantasy shouldn't broach challenging subjects or go beyond the level of YA fiction in its depictions of sex or violence" is nonsense.
Warhammer might have dragons, but in the context of WHF - ie, what the Fimir were written for and, again, they were written decades ago now - the idea of monsters who reproduce by abduction and either implied actual-rape or whatever other mystical-horror-ritual-thing you choose to use as a pretty obvious standin for actual-rape isn't actually any worse than all the other implied horrors people in the setting are subjected to. You can turn any depiction of any negative act or behaviour into an issue if you want to come at it in a certain way, for example, should Daemonettes and Slaaneshi cults be excised/retconned, given it's possible to interpret their use of drugs and mystical auras to overcome the will and inhibitions of their victims as being depictions of date-rape?
If GW want to bring back the Fimir in a form that will better fit their modern parent-friendly image, that's their right and I doubt anyone will be threatening to burn their armies in response, but just because their target audience has changed over the years doesn't mean they were someone guilty of a great moral wrong for writing the "edgy" version in the first place, and there is no actual absolute moral imperative that they should change them.
Really? What's the meaning?
There's quite a difference between the two for horse related things, and that's the closest association I can find, beyond a Greek place name.
Really? What's the meaning?
There's quite a difference between the two for horse related things, and that's the closest association I can find, beyond a Greek place name.
The 'Hellenized' it by dropping an 'L', and rendering the hard C as a K, but its its pretty reconizable to me as Cavallo (Italian, meanin a horse or a horseman), and Caballus (Latin, which can poeticly refer to a horse, or funny enough more a more day to day term for a pack horse.)
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/cavallo#Italian
There seems to be some dispute over its ultimate origin being either from Celtic or Greek.
Geifer wrote: It would be so much fun if this was dangling from a balloon and was Cawl's Imperial version of a spore mine.
If it is not, GW should fire their design team and hire you instead.
Cannot un-hope the Cawl bomb baloon!
Automatically Appended Next Post: By the way, the new ossiarch lord had a triple bone tail on his beast that appeared in a rumour engine pic, right?
Edit: newermind, it was already pointed out.
Although in the real world there are cannon which fire finned shells, I would expect a GW kit to only have fins on bombs and missiles. It's just about possible that could be part of a new Exorcist kit, but I think it's more likely to be the bomb rack of some kind of flyer. It looks clean enough that it would be surprising if it was a fantasy kit, although some of them look pretty high-tech now. I think the overall style isn't consistent with the new marine aesthetic, it isn't weird enough for Chaos or Ad-Mech, and it seems too military for Genestealer Cults. That means that the most likely faction would be the Imperial Navy / Aeronautica Imperialis with some possibility that either my previous assumptions were wrong or that it is for a minor Imperial faction (or even a new one). It looks too complex to be in the new epic scale unless they are really big bombs; as far as I can tell, there are at least seven parts shown (six bombs, each with a section of the rack, plus the bit they attach to; undercuts would make it impossible to make with fewer parts in plastic). That means it is probably a 40k model.
I joked before, but in all seriousness, it's pretty plain and utilitarian. Not s a single skull or aquila. Begs the question if it's Imperial at all.
Luck is a Squat zeppelin.
Are Squats not Imperial?
Squats were imperial. Mostly.
Squats were allied to the Imperium, kind of like how the Adeptus Mechanicus is. They got away with it by being an enormous interplanetary polity of their own, who mostly colonised worlds where only they could live comfortably and had their own independent resource base and technology. Kind of like the Adeptus Mechanicus. They were even mostly human. Sort of like the Adeptus Mechanicus.
Then they were eaten by the Tyranids. Unlike the Adeptus Mechanicus…
My working hypothesis is that the Adeptus Mechanicus were jealous of them knowing how stuff worked and managed to summon a tendril of leviathan to wipe them out, without really thinking it through properly.
agreed its most likely a 40k faction and either an imperial or chaos faction, the bombs don't seem xenos enough to be anything else. It feels guard, not sure why
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: Looking at the brushstrokes, an inaccurate science as it is, I'd say this looks too bit be for Aeronautica/Titanicus scale.
Im not one to mark words, but I honestly dont understand what you try to say. Its too bit be? Is that a bit you expect to be for Aeronautica, or is the bit too big for Aeronautica?
Kid_Kyoto wrote: Y'know since GW now has a digital sculpt of the Thunderbolt for Aeronotica, I'm going to double down and say Thunderbolt incoming.
Are digital sculpts actually a major factor in the total resources spent bringing a plastic miniature to market? I got the impression that would only be a tiny fraction of the time and expense. Plus it seems likely that all the detail would need to be adjusted to fit the new scale and cutting the virtual model into components and fitting those onto the sprue layout is likely to be just as much work as the sculpt itself. Also, the 'revolver' bomb rack would seem better suited to something like a marauder variant than the thunderbolt.
Oh, they are, but they are also much more amenable to scaling and GW now has software that generates the mould cuts now so the really hard part of designing a plastic sprue is semi-automated. It also means you can 3D print prototypes which cuts the development time and cost in half.
For GW, sculpting is pretty much the only factor in releasing new miniatures. Well, that and machine time. That said, an 8mm scaled model is pretty much irrelevant as a resource to sculpt a 32mm scaled model.
lord_blackfang wrote: For GW, sculpting is pretty much the only factor in releasing new miniatures. Well, that and machine time. That said, an 8mm scaled model is pretty much irrelevant as a resource to sculpt a 32mm scaled model.
Assuming they went that direction. For Titanicus they replicated the full scale models in 3d and then scaled them down. The question is if they did the same for the aircraft. If they did, it means they have a file for the 28mm scale one already, just needing to be cut up into sprues.
looks a bit like a vehicle's leaf spring suspension but nit sure what the thinner rods are meant to be.
Automatically Appended Next Post: text accompanying it (usually doesn't mean anything but this has a pointer towards it being suspension bits):
'If you could see this full picture you’d go into a shock-induced coma. That’s why we’ve very considerately decided to show it to you in very small doses, to allow you to build up an immunity to all of the awesome. You should probably still take a seat when you look at this snippet…'
The fasteners for the three strings could be Aelven or Stormcast; repeater bolt thrower is a good guess but I’m pretty sure that the current models don’t need replacing. On the other hand, the Stormcast don’t have any real artillery yet and the leafspring metal bow thing is definitely in their wheelhouse.
Mr_Rose wrote: The fasteners for the three strings could be Aelven or Stormcast; repeater bolt thrower is a good guess but I’m pretty sure that the current models don’t need replacing. On the other hand, the Stormcast don’t have any real artillery yet and the leafspring metal bow thing is definitely in their wheelhouse.
Repeater bolt throwers were removed at the start of AoS from the Aelf factions. Stormcast are one of the only factions, currently, that have artillery in the form of the Celestar Bolt Thrower--and the only one I can think of that have received artillery since AoS dropped, at least until we get the crazy crawly catapult with the Bonereapers.
Personally? It seems to play off the aesthetic that the new Slaanesh 'harp' player has.
It looks to me like a bow. A very powerful one given it's three laminated strips and three bowstings. It looks big too, like it is sized for a larger than human frame. I hesitate to go there because it reveals my own preferences but...Ogre?
Zhrukal wrote: It looks to me like a bow. A very powerful one given it's three laminated strips and three bowstings.
Powerful nothing. A bow built with three strips and strings would gack itself rather than fire properly, at least in a tight vertical arrangement like that (as opposed to a ballista with three separate arms and strings that fire independently). Even assuming wacky fantasy materials for the arms of the bow, the strings are still moving different distances at different speeds. Getting them to act in concert to actually fire something properly would be stupidly difficult. Most likely the most forward, shortest string would move the arrow, and since its the shortest, put the least amount of momentum on the arrow. Its pointless fantasy schlock- if that sort of design were actually effective, it would have been made and used.
lord_blackfang wrote: For GW, sculpting is pretty much the only factor in releasing new miniatures. Well, that and machine time. That said, an 8mm scaled model is pretty much irrelevant as a resource to sculpt a 32mm scaled model.
Assuming they went that direction. For Titanicus they replicated the full scale models in 3d and then scaled them down. The question is if they did the same for the aircraft. If they did, it means they have a file for the 28mm scale one already, just needing to be cut up into sprues.
Exactly, I was thinking they had the files for the full sized on and then shrunk it.
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