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 I really feel like an idiot asking this question.  But in the marine codex it gives the options for drop pods,  and there are no GW drop pods avalible for purchase, and i dont wanna spend all that money on forge world... do i need the expensive drop pod models to make a drop pod marine list?  ")

YES. Or, at least it should be that way, stop people from running ridiculously powerful drop pod lists by forcing them to buy FW Drop Pods.

On a sadder note, I believe GW said you mearly need to mark the area where the DPs come down, its as big as the 5" Blast Template.

*chuckles*
No, GW never said you just need to mark the area where the Drop Pod goes.

To play 40K, you need the models to play. It's like dice and a rulebook.

If you don't want to buy the forgeworld one, or if there is no model available, then you need to make your own.

Sometimes people will proxy things in, like the famous coke-bottle carnifex, but this is something people allow while players are trying to playtest something, but it is not a generally accepted practive to do it more then once.

GW had a template for a drop pod on their french website a while ago(I´ve lost mine due to computer crash), and you can found aother versions online too.

You have to have a model for the pod, but since there is no official model the size of it is up to you.

This might be better under Modeling...

I'd go for a bit bigger than the dreddy base, myself. If a rhino can hold 10 marines, thewn a dred-sized drop-pod can too.

There are some paper ones that look really good AND are really cheap to make (maybe 2 bucks total).  They are proper size, and you just glue paper to cardboard.  I have a friend who uses them and I'll ask him what they use.   

A really simple way is to take pringles cans and turn those into drop pods by painting it red, and having it land in cratered earth.  Wham Bham you have a drop pod.

But legality wise you need the model to use the transport option.

I guess I am the only 40K player that actually uses the correct Forgeworld models for my drop-pods. I have 4 of the regular ones and 2 of the dreadnaught ones. I HATE when I play against someone who does not have the correct models and I will always dock an opponent in an RTT that uses proxies of drop pods.

Darrian
(The real thing)

I understand docking for proxies, but do you consider scratch-built pods to be proxies?

I don't.

IMO, Proxying is using one model to represent a model which it clearly is not supposed to represent.
Scratchbuilding your own models to accurately represent the vehicle/character is simply an alternative to buying the 'real' thing.

For those of you who want a super-cheap and nice looking pod, check this link out -> http://www.minivault.com/ModelingDropPods.htm

http://www.minivault.com/ModelingDropPods.htm

I've built 5 of those, and I'm going to probably make 3 or 4 more when I can throw $20 at it.

Of course, didn't the Forgeworld one just hold 5 marines?  So aren't you proxying yourself.  Better be docking your score mister!

 

here's a google search.  It should link in with the old balsa template, as well as the popular and cheap PVC  version.  There was another notaiton I had not thought about previously about just using very cheap model rocket parts (cones/fins). 

http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=drop+pods&meta=

 

 

 

The ones BZArcher pointed to are the most commonly used ones at my club. They are relatively easy to add plasticard fins to if you want, and with some aircraft-style weathering, they look totally plausible on the tabletop.

@Blue Loki, Yes I dock for scratch-built as long as there is a GW/Forgeworld alternative.

@jfraziel, Yes the forgeworld models do hold 5 marines, do your rhinos hold 10, as they are supposed to? Besides, I glue the drop pod doors shut, so I do not think the actual models inside matter, do they?

Darrian

Posted By Darrian13 on 09/22/2006 11:50 AM
@Blue Loki, Yes I dock for scratch-built as long as there is a GW/Forgeworld alternative.

 

Do you never give any points to ork players then?

From what I've seen, most prefer to scratchbuild most/all of their vehicles...

 

Please don't go off the deep end over this next comment, as it could be seen as inflammatory, but I really truthfully want to know:

Do you dock them because you actually think its unsportsman-like for someone to scratch-build their own models, or do you dock them because you're a tad P.O.ed that you spent so much more on yours than they did on theirs?

If its the former and not the latter, which ethically it really should be for someone judging someone else in sportsmanship, I'd really like to know why. It baffles me as I don't see how accurately representing a vehicle with a scratchbuilt model violates any definition of good sportsmanship.

I'm sure you can explain it to me, so please do. Honestly, I just don't get it.

I also have the FW drop pods... two dreadnaught pods and three for infantry. I have seen some really nice conversions and would not dock points if someone were to use non FW pods.

@Blue Loki, Don't worry, I am not imflamed nor going off the deep end. I dock them because they are not following the rules of the RTT. Every RTT that I have found listed on the GW RTT event site, has a list of rules. The third rule is "All models must be Citadel, Maurader, Fanatic or Forgeworld models. Forgeworld models may only be used to represent entries from codexes or army books." I do not read "scratch-built nor do I read "something found on the French GW site sometime ago." I have spent alot of money to conform to the rules, I dock those that do not/have not.

Darrian

No the actual rules for FW drop pods are for five troopers, not the later marine codex determination of 10. 

If you're getting anal you're using the wrong model there boyo.

Besides I thought the whole point was to incentivize the "hobby" aspects.  Thats pretty nuts to zing them for what is a stated goal of GW.  I'd have to give you a  "O" for sportsmanship on that.

Would you knock my converted bloodletters?

How about my defiler which uses a scratch built war altar with three minis on top, carried by ogres?

How about my scrath built Demon Prince which uses parts from an Imperial Champ/warhawk wings, Lord of Chaos which uses dmeon price rules?

No the actual rules for FW drop pods were different. Like the dreadclaws they were for five troopers, not the later marine codex determination of 10.   If you're getting anal you're using the wrong model there boyo.

Besides I thought the whole point was to incentivize the "hobby" aspects.  Thats pretty nuts to zing them for what is a stated goal of GW.  I'd have to give you a  "O" for sportsmanship on that.

No the actual rules for FW drop pods were different. Like the dreadclaws they were for five troopers, not the later marine codex determination of 10.   If you're getting anal you're using the wrong model there boyo.

Besides I thought the whole point was to incentivize the "hobby" aspects.  Thats pretty nuts to zing them for what is a stated goal of GW.  I'd have to give you a  "O" for sportsmanship on that.

Would you knock my converted bloodletters, with heads removed and replaced with wolves and Greenstuff cloaks and weapons?

How about my defiler which uses a scratch built war altar with three minis on top, carried by ogres? That’s not a GW defiler.

How about my scratch built Demon Prince which uses parts from an Imperial Champ/warhawk wing/ and GK termie but doesn’t uses the GW mini?

How about my Inquisitor made from Ahriman and bits from IG sprues-no inquisitor mini need apply?

What about my oblits, made from GK’s and lots and lots of GS/weapon bits?

How about my comrades Tau stealthsuits,  using minis modified with sculpy to look like grey ghosts floating forward? That’s not a GW approved mini.

 What about any Ork player?

 As an aside do you tell them of this or just conceal it to avoid the inevitable hammer of "0" on your scores?

Well that just makes this game, which is already very cost prohibitive, even more cost prohibitive. Tell me, do you use a thunderhawk to DS your assault marines? (which is how they deep strike BTW).

I don't see the point of docking people who don't play with exact models, the point of the game is that you won't have exact models. For example, a combi bolter/anything is already not a standard model (aside from Azrael's bolter plasma combo). There are numerous things that aren't models from GW, but need to be put together based on user approximation. This not only makes the game interesting and unique (not to mention FUN) but it also makes the game less prohibitive and more hobby oriented.

i seriously doubt he would inform his opponent hes docking them for constructing their own drop pods

last thing i heard from gw concerning the use of drop pods was you could make your own with no adverse affect. and for someone to actually say you must buy forgeworld models has to be among the most insane things i think i have ever heard.

a person could follow this logic.. you made a converted model.. its not a gw model gw models are not converted they are all stock.. thus its not gw forgeworld etc.. 0 for you...

i honestly hope i never run into a player like you Darrian13
players like you are bad for this game

i have run into some strange players, but never one that comes across as so anti sportsman as you are appearing to be

and thats all i have to say

I have the problem when the drop pods look bad...There's a guy that plays locally and he just cut his drop pods out of Styrophone...They look butt ugly...Not sure how he gets decent painting scores.

Well I would enforce a butt ugly rule.

Look guys, you can extrapolate all you want, but the rule I quoted seems pretty clear to me. My drop pods are Forgeworld, thus they are legal in the RTT. I see nothing in the rules of the RTT that state "scratchbuilt" models are legal. If you convert a GW or Forgeworld model, I don't thinik that is against the rules, but I would check with the judge if I were you. Sorry.

Darrian

Actually I looked at the FAQ and it seems like there is a little wiggle room for the GW Grand tournament, the rules seem to allow for scratchbuilt models (When answering the question regarding what size a Drop Pod needs to be, of course why would it matter if everyone had to use forgeworld?)

"Oh dear. Non Forgeworld Drop Pods? Tsk tsk, this won't do at all, old boy, not at all. Marks off for you. Oh... and are those... sandbags... and I use the term loosely... not the pre-painted GW sandbag obstacles available from 2002-2004? I'm sorry old chum, but you've forced my hand. Well now, we haven't even started playing and you've already lost most of your marks. Shameful performance, really, but if you insist on being such a shabby opponent then I shall be forced to inform the judges of your indiscretions. And... are those... are those look-alike Armani loafers?! Well, I... I... *GAKK* *GRRAWWWK* Oh heavens! My monocle popped out and fell in my mouth!  I... oh wait, I was just choking on my hubris."

I hope you fall of your yacht and drown.

Unless it's available through GW retail outlets or the GW main store, it isn't an official model. Forgeworld may be part of GW, but until it's sold directly, it doesn't cut it.

Wow, I haven't laughed that hard in a while there. Choke on my hubris.....delightful! Very good show.

Yeah that was really funny!

Posted By Triggerbaby on 09/22/2006 5:54 PM

And... are those... are those look-alike Armani loafers?!

For the win!!

I haven't laughed that hard at a post, probably, since, well, Triggerbaby's last post.

Posted By ATI on 09/22/2006 4:27 PM
Well I would enforce a butt ugly rule.

On the  minis or the player

Seriously, the same standards you aplpy.  Conversion is a bonus but a bad conversion is still a bad job.

Darrian are you looking at US or UK GT rules ? (in case there is a difference).

Uh oh looks like a flaw here.  From the standard RTT rules (US)

"o All models must be Citadel, Marauder, Fanatic, or Forge World models. Forge World models may only be used to represent entries from Codexes or Army books. Vehicles from the Imperial Armour book are not permitted unless codex approved."

Ok you're good here.  FW models may be used to represent entries from codexes.  However, the problem then ensues:
"o What You See Is What You Get (WYSIWYG). If you wish to use an item, it must be represented on the figure. Army list choices whose models arent available must be converted. Remember, if you are in doubt about a conversion you have done, you probably shouldnt use it! We dont want you showing up with something you cant use! "

My bold.   The drop pod model is not available from GW.  Therefore it must be converted.  You can argue that FW models may be used to simulate a codex entry, but otherwise they must be converted.  Dinign them for obeying the rules is just not cricket! :S        :S   

 

 

 

I'm glad everyone here is wealthy enough to chuck out $90 for a 30 point model like it's no problem.  But for the rest of the world that has other financial obligations, spending $540 so you can have two HQ and four troops in a viable transport should not be a requirement for full RTT soft scores.  What if you are playing a 12 year old who spent time scratch building decent looking drop pods?  Do you expect him to be able to afford FW?

The problem with poor looking drop pods is entirely the fault of GW.  They shouldn't have nerfed the Rhino so much.  A lot of Marine players in 3rd Ed. had a significant investment in Rhino's.  4th Ed. made the Rhino a deathtrap, so for people who wanted a competitive army that wasn't the SAFH, the only viable solution was drop pods.  You can't expect everyone to be able to afford $90 basic transports, especially if they are children or teenagers.  If GW had actually play tested 4th Ed., they would have realized they would need a plastic drop pod to meet the demand of all the Space Marine players who wanted a mobile army that is viable in tournaments.

Docking soft scores simply because you can afford FW and you think others should too shows poor taste and the bad face of elitism, especially when people spend a lot of time and effort to make decent scratch built drop pods.