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Posted By Darrian13 on 09/22/2006 8:31 AM
I guess I am the only 40K player that actually uses the correct Forgeworld models for my drop-pods. I have 4 of the regular ones and 2 of the dreadnaught ones. I HATE when I play against someone who does not have the correct models and I will always dock an opponent in an RTT that uses proxies of drop pods.

Darrian
(The real thing)

Er... what the heck is wrong with you? I, for one, cannot shell out the high amount of $$ to buy as many dorp pods as I might field. Too bad for those without a lot of money, eh? Should've thought of that before hand, the fools! Come on, now. That's not very nice at all.

Posted By Mephet'ran on 09/22/2006 7:16 AM
YES. Or, at least it should be that way, stop people from running ridiculously powerful drop pod lists by forcing them to buy FW Drop Pods.

On a sadder note, I believe GW said you mearly need to mark the area where the DPs come down, its as big as the 5" Blast Template.

Wow.

I jsut re-read this thread, and wow. That is, in a few sentences, what is very wrong with the prices (a slight tangent will follow). "That is a very good option, lots of people will use it! Well, we can't have that, so let's make it very, very expensive! Yes! Just like terminators, you'll never see that many becuase who can afford them?" hoho!"

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Ahem: I sincerely had to get that out of the way. My original answer stands: convert your own until they make a plastic one for us to use.

I think this is one that both the raving cut your throat in the alley powergamers and delusional no longer quite in this world fluffgamers can agree on. Absent an official GW model, use of similar FW model is fine, but in no way required.

Hey all, back in February we had a thread about what scratchbuilt models would be playable at the US GT. I and others had questions, so I emailed Jeff Hall the GW Events coordinator. I posted this email exchange back in February, but it seems appropriate again.



Feb 8
Jeff,

I saw your posts on DakkaDakka and I had a quick question.

Would Drop Pods such as these, be permissable at the GT?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v63/jeremycobert/cobra/100_0827.jpg

Thanks!

Donovan

Feb 9
Hi Donovan,

I don't see any problem with them. What are they built from? They seem
to be the proper size and approximate shape.

Jeff Hall
Event Coordinator
Games Workshop US


The Drop pods are built from a plastic cup and left over terrain
features :~) I'm currently working on a method of adding plasticard
fins to them as well.

Jeff, would it be alright for me to share this with the people at
DakkaDakka? They might find it helpful to have an example of what's
permissable as far as scratch built models go.

Thank you for your time,

Donovan

GW Tournaments

Feb 9
That is fine by me. There is no problem with scratch building models
from plasticard and bitz. The conversion rule is in there so folks
don't take models from another company and put a bolter on it and call
it a conversion.

Hope that helps clarify the rules.

Jeff Hall
Event Coordinator
Games Workshop US

Straight from the horses mouth, so to speak?

Speaking as someone that is currently in the works of bringing more RTT's to the So Cal area at a game store that has never run one, I'd be appalled to hear a player give another player 0's on sportsmanship based purely on the persons best efforts to convert a Drop Pod, ork truk or anything that our warped minds can imagine for a Slaneesh army. Maybe require any score less than say, 3, include a reason why this score is warranted.

I first learned the power of drop pods be being on the recieving end while playing Imperial Guard. Suffice to say, I decided to drop the rhino rush with my old space marines.

Anyways, I was concerned about needing to buy the FW pods, til I remembered the rule that as long as it was a converted GW model, it was ok. I was further informed that the present policy was to simply have something on a 5 inch diameter base, and that would basically be cool. So, I came up with the best solution I could:

http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/40946257/

I might add "grav chutes" later, but for now, I think the old school rhino with tail fin thing works well enough. I brought them with me to Flatcon, and only one person took issue with them. He had some very nice scratch built ones, and frankly, mine are really really lame, but hey! It's only a game.

Rhino Pod! I love it. Were I of the conversion/ork mindset I could base a whole list of orkies using Rhinopods!

When the codex first came out, we made cardboard wih rhino dimensions figuring that would be an approximate size for future DP dimensons.

Sweet space-ride, Greaver.

Posted By Darrian13 on 09/22/2006 5:38 PM
Look guys, you can extrapolate all you want, but the rule I quoted seems pretty clear to me. My drop pods are Forgeworld, thus they are legal in the RTT. I see nothing in the rules of the RTT that state "scratchbuilt" models are legal. If you convert a GW or Forgeworld model, I don't thinik that is against the rules, but I would check with the judge if I were you. Sorry.

Darrian

Darrian, dont take this wrong, but your treading dangerously close to "Burnthexenos"'' territory here.

Youre stance seems quite inflexible and elitist to say the least. I know of no one who would dock someone because they scratchbuilt a model that GW DOESNT EVEN PRODUCE!!! Forgeworld does not count, as that market is non compulsory to play a game.

Would you dock me points for playing elysian drop troops even though I am using cadians for my models as opposed to FW elysians? If you answered yes to this question, I simply dont know anything nice or pleasent to say to you. I built an elysian army when it was still a CA article. Which was promptly nerfed when the latest gaurd codex came out. I also spent alot of time and money (far more than you did buying FW drop pods I might add) on making this bit of kit that I can no longer play as was originally made.

When GW makes a model for drop pods, and there are still scratchbuilds around (not likely as scratch building a competent drop pod is time and monetarily consuming, more so that buying a   plastic pod and building it) I wouldnt argue too strongly with your stance. But right now, its players like you who make me glad I dont play RTT's any longer.

I am afraid I am going to have to dock you sportsmanship and comp points because you dont have a space marine battlebarge to represent your drop pod deployment. You better be wearing power armour too, if your going to command your legion, you dont want to be caught without it and get docked even more points.

I cant wait for GW USA to go to non comp scoring. You make baby jesus cry.

Does this mean GW US will actually be running any GT's? Every RTT and the one GT they ran in 2006 did do away with army comp. But, GW did not do any real preplanning to have the even run smoothly or even give real terrain to cover the board with.

I'd prefer the Indy GT's and local RTT's for the money and time spent.

(Sorry, off topic).

I made a drop pod from the French GW site and used the cardboard from 3 tau batleboxes, does that count as a GW model, and here is the kicker I used GW glue! is that a GW model? all the materials are GW

... Looks like a duck
... Quacks like a duck
... Smells like a duck
it must be a duck!

/end bad RTT hate rant

The best conversion I have seen was when a guy used a toilet paper roll to make killer cans for Orks. Simple roll with guns glued on, spray painted black. He also had a small barrel with some HBs on both sides and tau legs. Two killer cans, very poorly improvised. Everyone thought it was so funny we didn't care whether or not it was legit, just pure damn fun. And that, is what people who stress over official GW models are missing. Unless you are playing in the uber super crazy tournament of deathicon 2kawesome, it really doesn't matter what the model looks like, as long as a good faith effort was made to make the model represent what it actually is supposed to be.

Note for the above, the player clearly didn't really care whether or not his "killer cans" were legit or whether or not they were properly constructed, but then again it was okay because the local playing environment is very friendly and very lax.

In my area there is a guy who has 3 paper dread, and they look pretty good, except that if you were to drop a pewter model on it, it would be toast...

I have seen a whole Armored Company made from construction paper.

- Greenie

BTW... I think Hellfury has made some great points. Cool avatar!

Of course he made good points!
How on this rock can anyone, in good concience, dock thier opponent points in a tourney for modeling something...
It's a game built around modeling, not the other way around...

Check the fourth Horus hereasy artbooks for the custodians jet/hover rhino, its an easy converion, get rid of the tracks and put 4 jets around it. would that still count as a rhino or would that get docked points for disguising itself as a skimmer? lol