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--Special thanks to Yak for letting me post this here--

Note: If you need to get in touch with Painter6479 (Kalieb Davis), PLEASE read this whole message. Sorry for the length.


So, there are a number of people out there complaining about Painter6479 (Kalieb Davis). I, myself, have been one of the people calling for his head on a stick.
Kalieb had models of mine (over 3000 points of SM) and a $500 deposit for the longest time. Eventually, as with everyone else, contact totally dropped off. He never answered his phone or called me back, I didn’t get email responses, and he almost seemed to cease to exist.

Here are 4 threads that have been started on him (3 by me). Three are on Bartertown and one is on Dakka Dakka.

http://www.bartertown.com/trading/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=68579&hilit=Kalieb&sid=aa14a8c0086f744fc11a63d62d8eb358

http://www.bartertown.com/trading/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=68664&hilit=Painter6479&sid=b7138a04cb4ea3f1a628410fb6897dad

http://www.bartertown.com/trading/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=67987&hilit=Painter6479

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/215027.page#344984

I know he was out there. People I know received their stuff after filing with PayPal (less than 45 days). A trader on Bartertown received an email from Kalieb –from a whole new email address- stating that his models were finished and asking for the rest of the commission payment plus shipping.

I managed to get Kalieb’s new email address from the trader and I emailed him. I tried a new approach. Previously, I pleaded with him, threatened him blatantly and subtly, ranted, raved and otherwise made certain to show how angry I was. This time, I asked him to please let me help him. I told him that I’d help him sort this whole mess out if only he’d respond to me. Surprisingly enough, he did… the very next day.

The short version of what happened is that Kalieb got ripped off and handled it atrociously. He’s the first to admit that.

As many of you know, he only painted the higher end stuff. Standard quality jobs were farmed out to friends of his (and paid in advance). Additionally, he overbooked. His inexperience in running a business really hurt him. After a lot of delays, he retrieved the armies from his (former) friends and discovered that they were not to the quality they needed to be and not nearly as complete as he’d been told. This is where the bottom started to drop out.

He (wrongfully) chose avoidance as his “best” option and stopped communicating while he tried to get stuff painted up & sent out.

The rest is history. He didn’t get things done to the speed he needed to and has only begun to get things to a manageable level.

This is where I came in.

Kalieb and I talked, and we hammered out a way to get everyone his or her models back – painted. Kalieb isn’t going to do anything but paint, and I’m going to handle communications for him, as well as… Well, everything.

Here’s how it works… My email address is the same as my Screen name here with “@aol.com” behind it. I don’t want to type it out so as to reduce spam. If Kalieb owes you something, EMAIL ME.

I’ll need:

Your full name
The email address you “spoke” to him through
Details on your army (generalities, like “Blood Angels” is good enough to start)
Any amount given as a down payment?
Any amount due upon completion?

Once I have that information, he and I can get looking into your project.

SOME PROJECTS ARE DONE. He doesn’t have immediate access to his old accounts, as they were tied to his (now closed) web site. He’ll have access to them SOON, but not RIGHT NOW.

Once I’ve got everyone’s information together, things will progress like this:

Kalieb will paint projects one at a time for swifter completion of individual projects. He will decide the order, but it will most likely be done in the order that he can complete them fastest, so as to maximize the number of people getting their stuff back

When your project is complete, Kalieb will take pictures of EVERY MINI in the job. He’ll send them to me, and I will forward them on to you. You will, either, approve them or provide a list of required changes. If he needs to make changes, he will… then, this step will repeat. This step will continue, as needed, until you approve EVERY MODEL.

Once you’ve approved everything, Kalieb will box everything up and take it to the post office for an EXACT shipping quote. Everything will be sent with a Delivery Confirmation. Additionally, insurance will be suggested to everyone, but you can choose whether or not to get it. If you choose insurance, YOU will determine the insurance amount and pay the fee. If you decide AGAINST insurance, you will be responsible for any breakage that occurs in shipping.

When he has the exact shipping cost, he’ll notify me.

I will email you a request for payment. Payment will be for shipping and any due balance. You will pay ME the full amount.

Once paid, I will PayPal Kalieb the shipping charge ONLY. When you confirm receipt of the models in good condition, Kalieb will be sent the remainder of the $ you sent me, minus any fees PayPal charged me for accepting the payment.


Now, there are people reading this who might be thinking this could be “just another scam.” Either I am running a scam to get money, or Kalieb’s trying to run “another one.” I can’t PROVE to you that it isn’t, but I hope I can give you enough facts as evidence to help you understand how that is not the case.

First off, since you are paying by PayPal ONLY, you will have 45 days to receive your models or ask for your $$ back. This is your first layer of protection. It’s a big one.

Next, you have my established reputation to (hopefully) put you at ease. I am a regular on the following sites:

Bartertown (well established with a high rating and high post count) where I’m a “Watchman”
Dakka Dakka (a daily presence with a rising post count)
W.I.P. (Haven’t been active in a few months, but I’m established there)
Ebay (I’ve been there for years with only 2 blemishes –one was a revenge negative and the other was just a lie)

I am consistently “MagickalMemories” on ALL of those places. Feel free to look me up.

I can provide numerous character references (online) from people who I’ve dealt with on a personal AND business level. These references include Moderators and Administrators of forums, as well as well known and established business owners.

Provided you believe me, you also have my word (never given lightly) that Kalieb will not receive one PENNY more from me than the shipping costs until you have received your package.


I expect this to be quite a headache for me, to be honest. I’m certain that there will be people who don’t believe me or who are so angry with him that the whole transaction is difficult, from start to finish. I’m prepared for it.

So, why am I doing it?

Matthew 25: 40 "Whatever you do for the least of these my brothers, you do it to me."

Simply put, I want to help.
I want to get MY models back, I want you to get YOUR models back and I want Kalieb to stay out of jail and bankruptcy. I want to help the gaming community at large. I’m fortunate, now, to be in a position where I can.

All along I’ve said that I thought he got in over his head, panicked, and chose avoidance as the best policy (however wrong it was). It turns out that I was right. If you think about it… throughout this WHOLE mess, stories popped up about how some models just showed up out of the blue, or someone got an email that their models were done and it contained images… He was working the whole time. He just made the mistake of not communicating well.

So, that’s it. That’s the deal.
If you have models with Painter6479, PLEASE email me.
If you know someone who has models with Painter6479, PLEASE email me.
If you or someone you know are owed ANYTHING by Painter6479, PLEASE email me.

Together, we’ll get everything straightened out.

Thanks for your time.

Eric

My friend, they don't make them like you much anymore. Good luck and best to ya. Hope you get this guy straightend out and come out without any of his crap splashed on you.

What provisions are you offering for people that just want their models and their money back?

Great to hear this has all worked out, sort of, MM. My previous offer still is there, if needed and things start going awry.

You sir probably have a career in project management or as a "fixer" for problem businesses ahead of you.

I don't have any connection to this, and it is the first time I am hearing of it, but good on you for sorting things out and dealing with the situation. I hope you get a nicely painted model or something out of the deal.

Very nice handling, I'm happy to see it being sort out. Best of luck for Davis, and congratulations on doing a fine job yourself.

While I wasn't one of the involved in this issue, I've been following it closely just to see how things panned out. I've thought about starting my own painting service locally if I get more time on my hands and saw this as a worst case scenario. Your help in resolving Painter6479's dilemma is admirable.

Props to MagickalMemories!

First off, thanks for the kind words, guys. I appreciate that.
I'm really trying to make a difference here. The fact that I'm ALSO getting my stuff back is icing.

whitedragon wrote:What provisions are you offering for people that just want their models and their money back?

At this point... There really aren't any. it's not part of the plan I came up with (BTW, the plan is all mine, all Kalieb did was agree to it)
Kalieb has no money. He has no way of refunding anyone anything right now.
Depending on the size of the projects to be refunded, the money that is due on outstanding balances isn't going to be enough to pay too many people.

That being said, if anyone reading this falls into the category that whitedragon just mentioned... Email me anyway.
Please, email all of the details I requested in my earlier post, for completeness' sake.
I cannot make any guarantees on money until I speak with Kalieb and get a complete list of outstanding jobs/monies due, but we could always arrange to get you your models back ASAP, and work something out with the money.

Truth is, though I KNOW he F##ed up -and he knows it, too, I'm kind of banking on the general good nature of the gaming community. We tend to band together to help each other out whenever necessary. I'm hoping that kind of goodwill will also affect people's attitudes towards this new development. I'm hoping that, with someone who has an established respectful level of presence on the various gaming related forums (me) keeping an eye on things, those who have projects with him will allow him to complete the transaction. Although there will still be a wait involved for everyone (some more than others, of course), the fact is that everyone will get something out of it... even if it's not as soon as they were originally told. I mean, think about it... How many people who had something with him had just written their money and models off as lost? I personally know of a couple gamers who did. If you allow him to follow through with the job, you're ahead of where you'd resigned yourself to be. In many cases, better than you initially thought, as kalieb is painting everything to a high standard (the only way he paints). So, if you contracted for a Table-Top quality army, you're actually getting his higher quality work at Table-Top prices. That has to be worth SOME good will, I'd hope.


Like I said, though... If you're reading this and have stuff with Kalieb and STILL just want your models and a refund, email me anyway. I don't know WHAT can be worked out, but we'll see what we can work out together.


Eric

Good luck with this. Hopefully this can work out for everyone involved

MM, you're a good man. Good luck in this endeavor with getting everything straightened out.

MagickalMemories wrote:First off, thanks for the kind words, guys. I appreciate that.
I'm really trying to make a difference here. The fact that I'm ALSO getting my stuff back is icing.

whitedragon wrote:What provisions are you offering for people that just want their models and their money back?

At this point... There really aren't any. it's not part of the plan I came up with (BTW, the plan is all mine, all Kalieb did was agree to it)
Kalieb has no money. He has no way of refunding anyone anything right now.
Depending on the size of the projects to be refunded, the money that is due on outstanding balances isn't going to be enough to pay too many people.

I agree with everyone that it is a noble thing you are attempting. However, I've seen this type of thing happen on other enthusiast forums that I visit. Somone offers a service, get in over their head, and just disappear, leaving alot of people out money and goods. Someone/authority tries to step up and get it all sorted out, and basically the original person offering the service gets a free pass to be as late as they want, refund people sporadically, and still take on new business, because they are in the forefront and now backed by someone that has cred.

I'm not saying this is what is going to happen, but it cold easily happen, and at the end of the day, the only thing someone has is just a *warm fuzzy* from you and from the original party, until they finally maybe get their stuff back. (Often times, years after the fact.)

At the very least, I would definetely make sure he isn't taking on any new business during this time, and I would hold him to a very rigorous schedule. If he even wavers slightly, I'd just abandon your crusade and throw the book at him. Don't give him any slack, because he has "messed up" already, or he wouldn't be in this situation. Don't let him mistake your kindness for "weakness" so to speak.

Sorry if I come off a little cynical, but that's just what I see happening.

MM, great job man.. It will be difficult, but without those who are willing to forgive, none of us would be able to move on.. We all make mistakes, some larger and more devastating than others, but forgiveness is the key to being able to live with yourself.

Whitedragon, it seems to me that Kalieb will not be getting any "new" work until all of his "backlog" is finished. Being helpful and forgiving is hardly a weakness. I see your cynicism, and raise you some charity. ..

I know we all get stuck in the mire of daily life. it only takes one person to give us our dignity back to allow us to press forward. MM, you are giving Kalieb back some dignity. it won't be easy for either of you, but you, quite frankly, are doing more for Kalieb than anyone else would.

Let me know if I can be of help.. In any way.. I am not a man of wealth or of many talents, but if I can be of assistance, I'd like to help him out.. (let me also say I don't know either of you save throught he forums..)

Death By Monkeys wrote:MM, you're a good man. Good luck in this endeavor with getting everything straightened out.

Seconded, what you've done here is really good, hope it all works out well.

whitedragon wrote:I agree with everyone that it is a noble thing you are attempting. However, I've seen this type of thing happen on other enthusiast forums that I visit. Somone offers a service, get in over their head, and just disappear, leaving alot of people out money and goods. Someone/authority tries to step up and get it all sorted out, and basically the original person offering the service gets a free pass to be as late as they want, refund people sporadically, and still take on new business, because they are in the forefront and now backed by someone that has cred.

I'm not saying this is what is going to happen, but it cold easily happen, and at the end of the day, the only thing someone has is just a *warm fuzzy* from you and from the original party, until they finally maybe get their stuff back. (Often times, years after the fact.)

At the very least, I would definetely make sure he isn't taking on any new business during this time, and I would hold him to a very rigorous schedule. If he even wavers slightly, I'd just abandon your crusade and throw the book at him. Don't give him any slack, because he has "messed up" already, or he wouldn't be in this situation. Don't let him mistake your kindness for "weakness" so to speak.

Sorry if I come off a little cynical, but that's just what I see happening.

Well, yes.
You do come off as cynical...
But that's okay. If ONE person is SAYING it, then there are more THINKING it... So, kudos to you for having the sack to speak your thoughts. No offense taken and none intended.

I honestly hadn't planned on giving all the juicy details, but it looks like there are going to be people out there who want them. So, here goes. You might be surprised how close you are in some parts.

Part of my deal with him was that he keeps in contact with me NO LESS than every other day. This means I get a MINIMUM of 3 - 4 emails from him a week, no matter what. When he starts a project, he has to give me a completion date... To a degree, I don't care WHAT the date is, as long as it is realistic. if, at ANY point during the job, he has a problem or a POTENTIAL delay (it doesn't even have to be an actual delay... just the potential for one), he has to email me and let me know. I've told him point blank that I'm not playing around. I will work as hard as he does at working it out, and I won't compromise my integrity.

The benefits for him are:

He doesn't deal directly with anyone. This is because, quite honestly, he doesn't handle pressure well. A bunch of people emailing him & b!tching at him will just freak him out & cause him to shut down again. He gets the info you need but, if you email me complaining and making threats, all he sees of that email is the actual viable information I glean from it.

He gets to focus on painting. Since he's not emailing a bunch of people every day, he gets to actually paint. An hour or so every other day (typically even less) devoted to emailing me is all he has to worry about.

He gets to benefit from my "cred" and gain a little leeway while he works on getting stuff out.

He gets the $$ owed on the projects (when complete), so he gets to eat more than beans & rice.

You've brought up some valid points. I'd like to address them individually.

"the original person offering the service gets a free pass to be as late as they want, refund people sporadically, and still take on new business, because they are in the forefront and now backed by someone that has cred."

There is NO new business. Kalieb is, likely, DONE after this. I think he's "scared off" of commission painting for good after this. Even if he does decide to do small works here and there, he won't be doing whole armies at once any more and will probably only take ONE commission at a time... and THAT is if he can get someone to trust him.
Plus, if he starts trying to be sly on me, I'll hear about it. Since I started posting threads on him, I seem to have become the communications hub for Painter6479. Fopr a while now, any time someone learned something new, had a question or wanted advice on dealing with him, it seems I've been the "go to" guy. I've probably fielded between 4 and 8 emails/PMs WEEKLY on him since I first started my bartertown threads. If he tries to pick up business on the side, I WILL hear about it... and i WILL act accordingly (more on that later).

"I would hold him to a very rigorous schedule. If he even wavers slightly, I'd just abandon your crusade and throw the book at him."

In different words, he's been told quite plainly that I won't stand by him if he starts F*ing around. You mentioned something about people being "backed" by someone with cred. I'm not BACKING him... I'm FRONTING him. I'm acting as the front man for him, not just as support. What does that mean? It means that, if he screws up, I side-step and the sh!t flies past me and onto him. If he screwed me over, I'm turn him over to the villagers and their pitchforks... and he knows it. I won't stand for it.

"Don't give him any slack, because he has "messed up" already, or he wouldn't be in this situation. "

The only things I'm giving him are Kindness, Forgiveness and a second chance. Slack is not a part of any of those.

"Don't let him mistake your kindness for "weakness" so to speak."

I really and truly believe that Kalieb isn't going to try any "funny business" with me. I think he knows how it would go AS SOON as I caught him.

If he can find a way to scam me for more than ONE person's shipping money (which I'd still complain to PayPal about, so I could get a refund), then good for him. I've tried to think of any possible loophole that he could use... I just can't think of one.

If anyone has any questions about it, let me know.
I'm more than happy to clear things up.

Sorry if the post seems a little unfocused and/or disjointed. It's 2AM and I'm tired... I just wanted to get this done before hitting the bed.

Eric

P.S. Thanks again for the moral support, guys.

For what it's worth, I add my congratulations and support for what you are doing.

With a bit of luck this is going to work out well for everyone.

Hopefully Kalieb Davis himself will have learnt a lesson and be able to pick up his painting career with a more structured system in the future.

That's the spirit MM! Bets of luck and thanks for the heads up on the situation/poster.

Results before kudos.

Having run my own business, of one kind or another, since the age of 13, I will admit that there are times when things might seem a bit overwehelming. At that point, you either rise above or drown. Kudos to MM for lending a helping hand, and good luck to Painter 6479 in the future, although I have to wonder what we don't know, considering MM brought the cross, the nails, and the hammer when the DropZone fiasco happened (PLEASE DO NOT think for a second I am defending TDZ, I am not!! I just find it curious, under the circumstances).

Rarely do I care to read who place a post; mostly because it is rather pointless to know who did. Mind you that the below was thought without knowing who did the posting.

I read that you are a watchman on batertown thinking, "Great, you're one to get after me about threadjacking related to telling someone new about the rules when it's apparently your job and I shouldn't go out of my way to help" *pardon the inherent annoyance; I wanted to help and was told that "It's not your job"*

I read that you post on numerous sites. Fine and all, but still raised a flag in my head. You pointed out that this could be a scam to seem more real; for lack of better wording. However this could still be a scam.

Then I read that you are MagickalMemories. I recalled what you did with DropZone. You defended him and got screwed in the process. You also started the "bits for free" section on btown. This leads me to believe that what you are doing is just being a good person.

Good luck to you and I'm happy to see that you are helping out.

To J'santai Khan:

There's a differnce between the two.

With TheDropZone (though I was only ONE of the multitude who brought the cross, etc), NOBODY was getting ANYTHING from him. Period.
No. I take that back. SOME people were getting SOME stuff, but it was a very different situation from this. He was just stealing and conning people.
With Painter6479, people were slowly but surely getting items back... albeit SLOWLY.
TDZ even ran a "charity" raffle and got HUNDREDS of dollars for something worth far less than that, only to keep the profit for himself and not give it to the promised charity.

Unlike TDZ, Kalieb didn't come on the sites and make a bunch of excuses and spout a bunch of lies - he just kind of shut down. There are STILL people who TDZ never got stuff to. Kalieb stopped taking new business AS SOON AS his big problems started. TDZ didn't.

Kalieb's been eating beans and rice to subsist on. The jerkwad running TDZ (Robert Evelund [sp?]) went on a 15 day (or so) vacation with the money people were sending him without bothering to get them their stuff.

We're talking about 2 different people.

TDZ got so bad that Bartertown started a MAIN and STICKIED thread just so people could keep track of the MULTITUDE of BTR's on him:
http://www.bartertown.com/trading/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=42937&sid=0cacf8de1121787b0dedaafd996a14cb

Are you familiar with the situation? How so?
I *DO* seem to recall that Robert was in SC, then moved to NC. Do you know him?

Eric

Then I read that you are MagickalMemories. I recalled what you did with DropZone. You defended him and got screwed in the process. You also started the "bits for free" section on btown. This leads me to believe that what you are doing is just being a good person.

You are partially correct.
I did defend Drop Zone. He had me absolutely snowed.
I hadn't purchased from him yet, while all these people were spouting their venom about him. I believed him, but I felt like a hypocrite. I put my money where my mouth is, and I almost lost some of it.
I placed a sizeable order with him (all of which I was told was in stock) and got only part of it (like many of the people complaining).
Email after email and PM after PM went unanswered for a long time.
Finally, after filing with USPS, IC3 and (I THINK) PayPal, I got a response from him that one of my two boxes got lost in the Mall's mail room (riiiiight) and, eventually, I got the rest of my stuff. He told me how he was really upset with me and blah blah blah blah blah.
Many MANY other people didn't get their stuff, though. Ever.
I'd bet that, if you put a post on BTown TODAY asking who is still owed stuff by TDZ, there would be NUMEROUS responses.

As for doing it just to be a good person.... Close, but not exactly.
I'm doing it because I want to help. I want to help myself, my friends (who have stuff with him), fellow traders and gamers, and Kalieb. So, if that makes me a "good person," then I'm happy. It's what my parents raised me to be.

Eric

I like to keep up on the various forums, even if I don't post regularly on many of them. As far as the rest goes, I was living in Florida when the DZ fiasco took place & have only recently moved to the NC/SC area for work (check out my stuff at www.nikkistattoostudio.com). I followed it pretty closely on B-town, since I had ordered from him in the past. He definitely didn't know the meaning of 'customer service'. As far as knowing him , I do, and after having seen him pull the same stuff he pulled on-line, in person, I don't have too much to do with him. Once again, seems a bit odd for you to 'lend a hand', in what seems to me to be a VERY similar situation. Just my opinion & once again, good luck to everyone involved.

This is a real stand up thing to do man. I got screwed on a "lost package" that never got replaced once and lost a chunk of change in that trade. It's admirable that you're managing to help make this right for everyone involved.

Good luck man.

BrookM wrote:Results before kudos.

Well, some of us can't wait:

BigChris, you rock.

Also, I need to see the other side so I can be surprised by the nutrition facts!! It's telling me to "Take A Look!", and by god I really want to!

J'santai Khan wrote:As far as knowing him , I do, and after having seen him pull the same stuff he pulled on-line, in person, I don't have too much to do with him.

Well, at least it's good to know that he's consistent! LOL

J'santai Khan wrote:Once again, seems a bit odd for you to 'lend a hand', in what seems to me to be a VERY similar situation. Just my opinion & once again, good luck to everyone involved.

Well, on the very fringes of the exterior, there seems to be some similarities but, if you really look over the documentation of how TDZ's went down and what happened with Kalieb, you'll see there are fundamental differences. Most importantly is that -albeit SLOWLY- Kalieb kept producing the WORK that he promised (or better)... just not in the promised time frame.

My offer to help him, while sincere, was my final attempt to gauge the kind of person he was. If he ignored me, he was the kind of person that doesn't deserve for me to go out of my way to help him. If he accepted my offer, then he really wasn't trying to rip people off or thought he could scam me... The "plan" I came up with proved to me that he wasn't trying to scam me when he whole-heartedly approved it.. Since HE takes the MOST risk in the plan and I can't be scammed for more than shipping charges on ONE project... and, even then, I'll complain to PayPal for a refund. Shoot. if anything, Kalieb's at risk of ME being a scammer and waiting until he ships out a high dollar project, only to inform him that I will NOT be giving him any of the money.

Drake_Marcus wrote:It's admirable that you're managing to help make this right for everyone involved.

Well, to be fair, I haven't managed a WHOLE lot towards making it right just yet.
Presuming everything Kalieb says is the truth (which I have no reason to doubt, at this point); So far, I have a package on the way to ME (the half of my minis he could afford to ship) and 3 or 4 people about to get part or all of their stuff shipped to them (once payment and/or delivery details are finalized). Everyone else just gets a "warm fuzzy" of knowing I'm in communication with him regularly and keeping them apprised of everything necessary.

I won't be happy until I have, AT LEAST, 3 completed commissions in the hands of their respective owners. I won't be satisfied... but I'll be happy, because I'll know everything is on the right track. I'll be satisfied when everyone has the models they should have.

I just want to say that I do appreciate everyone's input on this, whether you're posting kind words, supportive imagery, playing Devil's Advocate or just offering precautionary advice. NOBODY on here has just come on a outright been negative, and I appreciate that.

Eric

MagickalMemories wrote:
I just want to say that I do appreciate everyone's input on this, whether you're posting kind words, supportive imagery, playing Devil's Advocate or just offering precautionary advice. NOBODY on here has just come on a outright been negative, and I appreciate that.

Eric

Thats not hard since your decision to help out was extremelly kind of you, but if I was you I would be prepared for some negativity along the way. Some displeased people may dump their frustations on your mailbox... I do hope that things work out smoothly for you mate.
Good luck

MM: Once again, I think you are showing your colors in trying to help this guy and the community at large that has been harmed by him. I think that, cynical or not, whitedragon makes some good points that I would restate very broadly in the phrase:

Watch.
Your.
Butt.

You sounds like oyu can handle yourself and you know hat you are doing, but just keep both eyes peeled for your own sake and the communities. After all, you have made yourself a resource, and we would hate to see you exploited. Good luck.

Pardon my ignorance..... Dropzone fiasco ...?

I assume this was a similar type affair as the situation here in some way yes ?

reds8n wrote: Pardon my ignorance..... Dropzone fiasco ...?

I assume this was a similar type affair as the situation here in some way yes ?

I don't know the whole story, but there The Dropzeone (TDZ) was a retailer who made a big push to gain online warhammer business. He had a great discount, 25% IIRC, and initially had good service. After a while, people began getting less and less of their stuff, until finally he simply vanished with a pile of money. As far as I know, he's literally on the lam, unless criminal charges could never be filed. I'm not sure if he go in over his head or if he simply planned a long con, but he screwed a lot of folks out of some serious cash.