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HQ
sorc w/termie armour,combi-melta,familiar,winds of chaos,warp time.180pt

elite
dreadnought w/missle launcher,ccw with heavy flamer.105pt

troops
10xcsm ,champ w/plasma pistol,power weapon,HB,melta,IOCG.215pt
10xcsm ,champ w/combi-plasma gun,power fist,flamer,melta,IOCG.210pt
7xthousand sons+1xasp sorc w/doom bolt.231pt(these are retinue to the HQ)

heavy support
3xvindicators,extra armour,combi-flamer.450pt
2xrino,TL bolter,dozer blade.90pt

Total:1501pt

EDIT:

I fixed the autocannon problem
and changed the dreadnought

bump cause im nice

i'm thinkin' i'll take out the thousand sons,and have five spawn and put havoc launchers on the rinos instead

warsmith pyrus wrote:HQ
sorc w/termie armour,combi-melta,familiar,winds of chaos,warp time.180pt

elite
dreadnought w/TL HB,missle launcher.105pt

troops
10xcsm ,champ w/plasma pistol,power weapon,HB,autocannon,IOCG.215pt
10xcsm ,champ w/combi-plasma gun,power fist,flamer,melta,IOCG.210pt
7xthousand sons+1xasp sorc w/doom bolt.231pt(these are retinue to the HQ)

heavy support
3xvindicators,extra armour,combi-flamer.450pt
2xrino,TL bolter,dozer blade.90pt

Total:1501pt

Well, looks a bit odd.
I'd take a winged DP instead of a Sorcerer as the latter is not a cc monster, even with warp time.
And he's too slow for winds of chaos.
Plasma pistols can hurt your precious AC, I'd drop it.
Heavy bolter and autocannon in one CSM squad? Seems impossible.
Rhinos don't need dozer blades; keep them plain and simple.

Well, looks a bit odd.
I'd take a winged DP instead of a Sorcerer as the latter is not a cc monster, even with warp time.
And he's too slow for winds of chaos.
Plasma pistols can hurt your precious AC, I'd drop it.
Heavy bolter and autocannon in one CSM squad? Seems impossible.
Rhinos don't need dozer blades; keep them plain and simple.

I would suggest taking out vindicators for three predators, with HB and T-L lascannon. Take out thousand sons for more CSM, and do what wuestenfux said.

Xav wrote:I would suggest taking out vindicators for three predators, with HB and T-L lascannon. Take out thousand sons for more CSM, and do what wuestenfux said.

thats seems o.k. but is it very iron warriorsy is it

do the spawn thing

typhus wrote:do the spawn thing

If you do the spawn thing, doesnt expect to win ANY games, spawn are bad at everthing, there are better meat sheilds, like lesser demons etc.

ok that is sound advice but what about giving the sorc gifts of chaos so i can use it to destroy my friends snipers,cause my marines aren't fearless and i need them out of the game quickly

HQ
sorc w/termie armour,combi-melta,familiar,winds of chaos,warp time.180pt

elite
dreadnought w/TL HB,missle launcher.105pt

troops
10xcsm ,champ w/plasma pistol,power weapon,HB,autocannon,IOCG.215pt
10xcsm ,champ w/combi-plasma gun,power fist,flamer,melta,IOCG.210pt
7xthousand sons+1xasp sorc w/doom bolt.231pt(these are retinue to the HQ)

heavy support
3xvindicators,extra armour,combi-flamer.450pt
2xrino,TL bolter,dozer blade.90pt

Total:1501pt

I would give the sorceror mk of tzeencth instead of the familiar so you can cast warptime and winds of chaos in the same turn, or use your force weapon with warptime.
get rid of the thousand sons and go with another 10 man marine squad in a rhino and get rid of the dozer blades on the two rhinos. I think that might be better. I dunno 3 vindicators is alot of points in only a 1500 point list.

try one predator with t-l lascannon and hb sponsons and ex armor instead of one vindicator maybe.

Oh and the one marine squad :

10xcsm ,champ w/combi-plasma gun,power fist,flamer,melta,IOCG.210pt

give the champ a combi-flamer instead; you will probably only shoot once per game with a flamer and then you will be in combat or will have killed the squad you shot at.

You could also drop the termie armor on the sorceror and then make the squad above a 9 man squad with a melta and the champ with combi-flamer and melta gun and the sorceror could ride with them in the rhino.

just some ideas.

I suggest if you use Rhino's add extra armor, I think that's the cheap one, you don't get rhinos for their devistating attacks, so atleast you can always move forward if it gets hit. In a 1500pt I think you have way too much armor. Dreadnought, and 3 vindicators, I think the range for the the weapon is 24 inches, I could be wrong, but that means you have to move the first turn to be in range. Unless you are certain they are going to move towards you and bring themselves in range. I am a big fan of Daemon Prince with flight, it makes them focus either on killing the DP or ignore the DP and have to deal with it when it's too late, especially if it has Lash. IMO of course, because you might have a plan.

CoachNitro wrote:I suggest if you use Rhino's add extra armor, I think that's the cheap one, you don't get rhinos for their devistating attacks, so atleast you can always move forward if it gets hit. In a 1500pt I think you have way too much armor. Dreadnought, and 3 vindicators, I think the range for the the weapon is 24 inches, I could be wrong, but that means you have to move the first turn to be in range. Unless you are certain they are going to move towards you and bring themselves in range. I am a big fan of Daemon Prince with flight, it makes them focus either on killing the DP or ignore the DP and have to deal with it when it's too late, especially if it has Lash. IMO of course, because you might have a plan.

yup i do have a plan and it is to have the rinos to go up the middle and have the vindicators cover them at the same time have the dread and the sorc w/retinue go on oppisite flanks and wreak havoc cause if the dread somehow roles a 6 or 1 he fires twice and eats a squad(possibly my own)or he runs straight into combat and attacks the enemy in cc and the sorc goes after the snipers cause the retinue can't be pinned

Give the sorc waptime,gift of chaos and a mark of tzeench, if you can afford it. I would suggest dropping the dreadnought for a squad of tzeench termies, i know your say there not iron warriors, but in "storm of iron" there is khorne dedicated iron warriors, think about it.

Xav wrote:Give the sorc waptime,gift of chaos and a mark of tzeench, if you can afford it. I would suggest dropping the dreadnought for a squad of tzeench termies, i know your say there not iron warriors, but in "storm of iron" there is khorne dedicated iron warriors, think about it.

yeah i've read ''storm of iron'' but i don't think i could do that for a 1500pt game,but in a 1750pt i would change the thousand sons to a normal squad with a lascannon and plasma gun.i'd keep the dread and have a squad of those termies you mentioned and do the sorc thing,plus another rino

So the updated list looks something like this.

HQ

Sorcerer
terminator armour, mark of tzeench, warptime, gift of chaos.
200

Terminators x5
Heavy flamer, mark of tzeench, chainfist.
210

Troops

10xcsm
champ, powerfist, flamer, melta, IOCG.205
10xcsm ,champ,power fist,flamer,melta,IOCG.205
7xthousand sons+1xasp sorc w/doom bolt.231pt(these are retinue to the HQ)

heavy support
3xvindicators
3xrhino.105

Total:1501pt

What's up with putting the dedicated transport Rhinos under Heavy Support?

I like the original list, but I'd suggest a few things.

First, the Sorcerer doesn't need Winds of Chaos, particularly since he can only use one Psychic Power per turn and Warptime goes well in combat and with his Combi-Melta. If you really want that template, you might think of changing it to a Comb-Flamethrower.

This opens up some points, some of which could be well spent on Extra Armour for your Dreadnought. I'd suggest keeping one Dreadnought Close Combat Arm, so that he can squish stuff in close combat: possible a Dreadnought Close Combat Weapon with a Heavy Flamethrower and a Missile Launcher would have good all-round utility. Just close with the enemy as quickly as possible. Popping Smoke on the first turn is a good investment, particularly if the Dreadnought Blood Rages.

As for the Chaos Space Marines, that unit does not have the option of both a Heavy Bolter and an Autocannon.

You might consider a bare-bones Terminator body-guard for the Sorcerer and plow the points spent on the Thousand Suns into another unit of Chaos Space Marines. Also, you might consider dedicating the units to a certain role, as well as stocking up on Lascannons for the units with a Heavy Weapon, and double up on the Flamethrowers and Melta Guns on the units you're going to drive up the board.

so thats what the list is bigining to look like but how would this list do against eldar my mate has squads of 6 striking scorpians some snipers and 2 squads of dire avengers and some things i can't remember but i think the thousand sons inferno bolts do alot of damage against them

So you like how the list is going so far? maybe drop a terminator (if were talking updated list) and beef up thousand sons?

nurgle bikers!!!!!!

typhus wrote:nurgle bikers!!!!!!

Nurgle bikers are bad, yes there T6 and are great summoning lesser demons, terminators, but while your cruising along absorbing bolter and lasgun shots, your get hit by a battle-cannon, and die!

is this a better HQ than the sorc
daemon prince w/mark of tzeench,doom bolt,warptime 165pts
and it's cheaper than the sorc and who thinks it's better

Better in close combat, bigger, stronger, but the sorceror will have some bodyguards to absorb fire power.

cause every army has a battlecannon to waste on bikers!!!

Bikers are very exspensive, a leman russ or a defiler killing a nurgle biker squad will earn its points back.

ok lets settle this NO nurgle bikers,if dave uses mind-war then i have no bikers

never ever put spawn. and i agre freeing some points to put a DP in, instaed of the sorc

WTF IS WRONG WITH SPAWN!!!!!!
my army has 30!

Everything is wrong with spawn, start a thread about "nurgle bikers, and spawn" in tactics, and see how many people dont like spawn.

30 is realy good i havent lost a game with them yet