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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/05/25 22:41:15
Subject: What is 'evil'?
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Killer Klaivex
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How do you define evil? Is it something that is morally wrong? Is it something that corrupts the mind and soul? What do you think?
For me, examples of evil are...
-Hitler. This guy was just sick. No questions asked. He used the people of Germany and their desperation for his own purposes.
-The Spanish Inquisition. A true example of how a good thing like religion can be twisted into an abomination. Nothing more than an excuse to torture people under the veil of false faith.
-Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings. The US had no good reason for dropping atomic bombs on civilian population centers. Killing a nation's civilians to force them into surrender is wrong. It's sickening how I hear it dismissed as 'All war have casualties.'
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People are like dice, a certain Frenchman said that. You throw yourself in the direction of your own choosing. People are free because they can do that. Everyone's circumstances are different, but no matter how small the choice, at the very least, you can throw yourself. It's not chance or fate. It's the choice you made. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/05/25 04:55:27
Subject: What is 'evil'?
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The Dread Evil Lord Varlak
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Cheese Elemental wrote:How do you define evil? Is it something that is morally wrong? Is it something that corrupts the mind and soul? What do you think?
For me, personally, I don’t really think there’s anything to the term ‘evil’ other than ‘stuff I really think needs to stop right now’. Unless someone comes from a religious POV (and they’re certainly welcome to) I don’t really know what else evil could possibly mean.
For me, examples of evil are...
-Hitler. This guy was just sick. No questions asked. He used the people of Germany and their desperation for his own purposes.
It’s also worth remembering that a lot of the really messed up stuff didn’t come from Hitler, and he may not have been aware of the full scope of atrocities committed. I don’t say that to defend the guy, but because it is important not to explain away what happened under the ‘crazy manipulative leader’ excuse. A lot of what happened came from junior officers who were just as cruel and murderous as Hitler.
There were a lot of people in Germany who are alright with taking a whole lot of people and relegating them to second class citizens, who were later alright with locking them up, and were later alright with murdering them. And no, I don’t think there was anything unique about Germany at that point in time, it wasn’t the first time people had killed a lot of Jews, and on plenty of occasions since different societies have organised to kill members of other ethnic groups.
-The Spanish Inquisition. A true example of how a good thing like religion can be twisted into an abomination. Nothing more than an excuse to torture people under the veil of false faith.
Funnily enough waterboarding was one of the three methods of torture proscribed by the Spanish Inquisition.
-Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings. The US had no good reason for dropping atomic bombs on civilian population centers. Killing a nation's civilians to force them into surrender is wrong. It's sickening how I hear it dismissed as 'All war have casualties.'
There were more than half a million purple hearts manufactured in anticipation of the invasion of Japan. The US high command genuinely thought the invasion would be that bloody. To give a sense of the scale of that kind of casualty list, I think the last of that stockpile was only exhausted in the most recent Iraqi invasion. Now, there is no way the invasion would have actually seen that many killed and wounded, but that’s something we can say with the benefit of hindsight. At the time the Japanese had done an excellent job of representing the strength of their defences, and there was no shortage of (somewhat racist) belief that every Japanese citizen would fight to the death to defend their Emperor. And then you have to consider that every day the war continued, countless more died in the on-going bloodbath in China.
It’s not a decision that I necessarily agree with, and I don’t what decision I would have made if it had been mine to make, but it isn’t a decision I’m all that comfortable condemning, either.
I have a much easier time condemning the Allied high command for Dresden, or letting Stalin invade Berlin without even attempting to make him use some restraint.
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“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/05/25 11:58:44
Subject: What is 'evil'?
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Anti-Armour Swiss Guard
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Reality TV is an evil.
Allowing JJ Abrams to make TV shows (and worse, motion pictures) is also an evil act and proof of the absence of any kind of 'just' godlike omnipotent being from outside time-and-space.
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I'm OVER 50 (and so far over everyone's BS, too).
Old enough to know better, young enough to not give a ****.
That is not dead which can eternal lie ...
... and yet, with strange aeons, even death may die.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/05/25 15:41:55
Subject: What is 'evil'?
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Fixture of Dakka
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I am evil.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/05/25 16:17:49
Subject: What is 'evil'?
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Ork-Hunting Inquisitorial Xenokiller
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1. War, there is notting glorius about it, never has and never will be
2. Religion, is there a thing that has generated suffering, hate and war is it this thing, It is also a good thing but then again all the bad stuff that has happend in its name is not worth it.
3. Greed
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Lenge leve Norge, måtte hun altidd være fri
Disciples Of Nidhog 2500 (CSM)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/05/25 16:20:55
Subject: What is 'evil'?
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Junior Officer with Laspistol
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1.That guy that cut you off in traffic this morning!
2.The Jonas brothers,they will steal you're soul *evil laughter*
3.Monkeys!!!!
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"I refuse to join any club that would have me as a member."-Groucho Marx
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/05/25 16:41:22
Subject: Re:What is 'evil'?
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Battleship Captain
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John McCain. Pure, unadulterated, uncomprimising, invincible evil. Just kidding.
Actually, people in general are evil to me. I've meet enough asshats to turn me in to a cynic when I was only 11. That is evil, corrupting and despoiling someones innocence. It was bound to happen, but there is no reason to speed it along. Now, I'm trying to live a life where I may help slow this eventual corruption, but it aint easy.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/05/25 17:35:59
Subject: What is 'evil'?
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Fixture of Dakka
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Remember that evil is clever, using deception to cast it's net out. I am always very wary of people that are extremely friendly when you first meet them. Unfortunately charisma seems to be abundant for evil.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/05/25 17:51:59
Subject: Re:What is 'evil'?
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[MOD]
Decrepit Dakkanaut
Cozy cockpit of an Archer ARC-5S
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This place and the big three are.
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Fatum Iustum Stultorum
Fiat justitia ruat caelum
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/05/25 18:17:56
Subject: What is 'evil'?
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Lone Wolf Sentinel Pilot
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Cheese Elemental wrote:-Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings. The US had no good reason for dropping atomic bombs on civilian population centers. Killing a nation's civilians to force them into surrender is wrong. It's sickening how I hear it dismissed as 'All war have casualties.'
To sow enough fear and unrest that it would have stopped the war early, saving perhaps millions more lives.
sA
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My Loyalist P&M Log, Irkutsk 24th
"And what is wrong with their life? What on earth is less reprehensible than the life of the Levovs?"
- American Pastoral, Philip Roth
Oh, Death was never enemy of ours!
We laughed at him, we leagued with him, old chum.
No soldier's paid to kick against His powers.
We laughed - knowing that better men would come,
And greater wars: when each proud fighter brags
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/05/25 19:45:24
Subject: What is 'evil'?
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Steady Space Marine Vet Sergeant
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I think what is evil is someone doing something wrong just for themselves
Ex: somali pirates
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-to many points to bother to count.
mattyrm wrote:i like the idea of a woman with a lobster claw for a hand touching my nuts. :-) |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/05/25 19:47:56
Subject: What is 'evil'?
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Ridin' on a Snotling Pump Wagon
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Evil is someone's interpretation of the actions of another human being.
Had Hitler won the war, his actions may not have been seen as evil (as I'm sure the worst atrocities would have been thoroughly covered up.) And had the Nuking of Japan not had the desired surrender follow it, and they'd gone on to win the War, likewise.
Now, a much better example from the 2nd World War. The flattening of Dresden. My Great Uncle Val flew sorties during that one in a Bomber, and I know he saw no good in the actions that night.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/05/25 20:03:39
Subject: What is 'evil'?
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Major
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To cause harm (physical or mental) to another living creature without good reason is how I would define evil.
As to what constitutes a 'good reason' is a another thing entirely.
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"And if we've learnt anything over the past 1000 mile retreat it's that Russian agriculture is in dire need of mechanisation!" |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/05/25 20:06:06
Subject: What is 'evil'?
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Steady Space Marine Vet Sergeant
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i truly define it by my gut
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-to many points to bother to count.
mattyrm wrote:i like the idea of a woman with a lobster claw for a hand touching my nuts. :-) |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/05/25 20:09:13
Subject: What is 'evil'?
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Avatar of the Bloody-Handed God
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Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Evil is someone's interpretation of the actions of another human being.
Had Hitler won the war, his actions may not have been seen as evil (as I'm sure the worst atrocities would have been thoroughly covered up.) And had the Nuking of Japan not had the desired surrender follow it, and they'd gone on to win the War, likewise.
Now, a much better example from the 2nd World War. The flattening of Dresden. My Great Uncle Val flew sorties during that one in a Bomber, and I know he saw no good in the actions that night.
Spoken by one with a clear heart.
The world would be a better place if humans are able to accept such truths , unfortunately they do not. Such is the flaw of human beings , chose to ignore / act on things that fancy them.
For example , donate charity for pet drives yet never donate to dying children in africa.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/05/25 20:48:52
Subject: What is 'evil'?
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Shas'la with Pulse Carbine
The Realms of the Unreal, of the Glandeco-Angelinnian War Storm, Caused by the Child Slave Rebellion
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LunaHound wrote:
For example , donate charity for pet drives yet never donate to dying children in africa.
How would you define the charities who make the situation worse? Like the ones who level the local farming industry by giving away free food? While they are well intentioned, done recklessly, even charity can result in human suffering. Does the intent matter? Or just the result?
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2 - The hobbiest - The guy who likes the minis for what they are, loves playing with painted armies, using offical mini's in a friendly setting. Wants to play on boards with good terrain.
Devlin Mud is cheating.
More people have more rights now. Suck it.- Polonius
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/05/25 20:51:09
Subject: What is 'evil'?
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Avatar of the Bloody-Handed God
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BloodofOrks wrote:LunaHound wrote:
For example , donate charity for pet drives yet never donate to dying children in africa.
How would you define the charities who make the situation worse? Like the ones who level the local farming industry by giving away free food? While they are well intentioned, done recklessly, even charity can result in human suffering. Does the intent matter? Or just the result?
Obviousely you havnt seen or met the types that *donates only for the sake of inflating their own ego and self worth.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/05/25 20:53:12
Subject: What is 'evil'?
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Morally-Flexible Malleus Hearing Whispers
Well I kind of moved near Toronto, actually.
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your mom is evil.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/05/25 21:03:13
Subject: What is 'evil'?
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Killer Klaivex
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It depends on whether you believe morals are objective, or subjective. If you're religous, morals are subjective, and herefore it is very clearly defined exactly what evil is. However, if you're an atheist, morals are entirely subjective, relative to your society and culture, and therefore evil does not exist.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/05/25 21:05:52
Subject: Re:What is 'evil'?
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Proud Triarch Praetorian
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What is love?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/05/25 21:19:44
Subject: What is 'evil'?
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Shas'la with Pulse Carbine
The Realms of the Unreal, of the Glandeco-Angelinnian War Storm, Caused by the Child Slave Rebellion
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LunaHound wrote:BloodofOrks wrote:LunaHound wrote:
For example , donate charity for pet drives yet never donate to dying children in africa.
How would you define the charities who make the situation worse? Like the ones who level the local farming industry by giving away free food? While they are well intentioned, done recklessly, even charity can result in human suffering. Does the intent matter? Or just the result?
Obviousely you havnt seen or met the types that *donates only for the sake of inflating their own ego and self worth.
You don't know my extended family. Dear freaking god...
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2 - The hobbiest - The guy who likes the minis for what they are, loves playing with painted armies, using offical mini's in a friendly setting. Wants to play on boards with good terrain.
Devlin Mud is cheating.
More people have more rights now. Suck it.- Polonius
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/05/25 21:39:05
Subject: What is 'evil'?
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Dwarf High King with New Book of Grudges
United States
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Ketara wrote:It depends on whether you believe morals are objective, or subjective. If you're religous, morals are subjective, and herefore it is very clearly defined exactly what evil is. However, if you're an atheist, morals are entirely subjective, relative to your society and culture, and therefore evil does not exist.
Not necessarily. There are plenty of self-professed Atheists who believe in objective morality. Sam Harris and Christopher Hitchens immediately come to mind. Though you could argue that the vehemence of their Atheism necessarily qualifies them as religious; turning the argument on the distinction between Atheism as a lack of belief in God, and Atheism as the belief in the absence of God.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/05/25 21:41:56
Subject: What is 'evil'?
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Morally-Flexible Malleus Hearing Whispers
Well I kind of moved near Toronto, actually.
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your mom is love.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/05/25 21:55:04
Subject: What is 'evil'?
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Fixture of Dakka
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Evil is live backwards so it must mean dead.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/05/25 23:50:49
Subject: What is 'evil'?
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Killer Klaivex
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I once considered commissioning a plaque that said 'Live no Evil', which is 'Live on Evil' backwards. This was during my brief Goth phase, before I became religious.
When it comes to morality in my religion, I feel that I'm pretty relaxed about it. I don't have anything against homosexuality or ogling another man's wife, because after all, these are natural things and we shouldn't repress our instincts. Or maybe I'm just addicted to sex.
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People are like dice, a certain Frenchman said that. You throw yourself in the direction of your own choosing. People are free because they can do that. Everyone's circumstances are different, but no matter how small the choice, at the very least, you can throw yourself. It's not chance or fate. It's the choice you made. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/05/26 00:25:01
Subject: What is 'evil'?
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Huge Hierodule
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Evil? It is in the Beholders Eye.
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Q: What do you call a Dinosaur Handpuppet?
A: A Maniraptor |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/05/26 01:02:34
Subject: What is 'evil'?
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Stone Bonkers Fabricator General
A garden grove on Citadel Station
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Anshal wrote:2. Religion, is there a thing that has generated suffering, hate and war is it this thing, It is also a good thing but then again all the bad stuff that has happend in its name is not worth it.
People will always find an excuse to be evil. Lumping all religion together as "evil" because some people use religion to do bad things is as bad as saying all people from *insert country here* are as bad as *insert country's evil dictator here*.
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ph34r's Forgeworld Phobos blog, current WIP: Iron Warriors and Skaven Tau
+From Iron Cometh Strength+ +From Strength Cometh Will+ +From Will Cometh Faith+ +From Faith Cometh Honor+ +From Honor Cometh Iron+
The Polito form is dead, insect. Are you afraid? What is it you fear? The end of your trivial existence?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/05/26 01:08:45
Subject: Re:What is 'evil'?
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far away from Battle Creek, Michigan
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Dick Cheney.
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PROSECUTOR: By now, there have been 34 casualties.
Elena Ceausescu says: Look, and that they are calling genocide.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/05/26 01:56:17
Subject: What is 'evil'?
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Serious Squig Herder
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Tacobake wrote:your mom is evil.
QFT.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/05/26 02:53:16
Subject: What is 'evil'?
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Fanatic with Madcap Mushrooms
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Evil is what an individual believes as evil.
Go ahead and call murder evil, some one's gonna say it's right.
It's all subjective.
Though of course, we all know that The Jonas Brothers and Empty Beer Cans are evil.
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Some people play to win, some people play for fun. Me? I play to kill toy soldiers.
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WHFB, AoS, 40k, WM/H, Starship Troopers Miniatures, FoW
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