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i know fluff wise it wouldnt happen but its a neat idea

Hey who knows what could happen. Chapters have gone to chaos. For example Lught Huron, He was chapter master of the astral claws and now runs a pirate empire in the maelstrom. And even if it doesnt happen you could use the model as a base for a conversion for a supercool chaos lord. GOOD LUCK ON THE PROJECT!!!

just an idea right now
might be in a year or two
sorry i just thought it was an interesting idea

Hey don't apoligize. Not only is it an interesting idea, it is a great idea. I hope that you will work on this project eventually.

Hell yea it is. Id say even use his rules, specially if the people you play with are nice enough to let you. Go for it man, I hate the Ultra Marines, and itd be awesome to see some of them look like they went over.

What he said. Yeah give the Ultramarines a little F-you.

i think make him affected by all of them a little expect slaanesh i just dont like that one but that me
never mind

"No."

Just add spikes.


But seriously, paint and convert your models however you want. Don't feel like you have to paint a model a certain way just because that's how they do it in a book, or that's how everyone else says to do it. Do what you think would be cool. The nice thing is, if you do it well enough, chances are most other people will realize how cool it is too.

This is an awesome Idea and would be a bad-A conversion! Go for it!!!! I might even try it

Fluff-wise, as you say, not in a million years.

However, it's a brilliant model and would make a good basis for a terminator chaos lord conversion, suitably chaos-fied, especially if you reduce the symmetry of the model.

I full endorse this idea. Chaos Marneus Calgar would actually have an army-wide effect on a CSM army. Eat that Abby!

unistoo wrote:Fluff-wise, as you say, not in a million years.

Why does anyone really give a crap about the fluff when it comes to modeling? Why would someone want to let something that someone else wrote, stop them from doing something that involves actual creativity, rather than being the millionth person with a Marneus Calgar mini painted in Ultramarine colors?

Yes, that's what I want to do! Be the guy who spends a ton of money and use all my time and effort to build and paint an Ultramarines army that looks just like everyone elses!


This isn't directed just at you, unistoo - I know there are plenty of others here who feel the same way. I'm not trying to be mean, but I have to ask though...what's up with that?

Because having fun is bad.

How dare you have fun with those things you paid money for?!

Noisy_Marine wrote:Because having fun is bad.

How dare you have fun with those things you paid money for?!

I'm sorry, your Marneus Calgar model's paintjob doesn't comply with GW's official fluff-sanctioned Ultramarines uniform regulations! We'll have to confiscate this. Please report to the re-education center at 0500. Big Brother is watching you!

You poor fools, you dont realise Marneus has already turned to chaos!

He's just good at keeping it hidden.

You can make the model anything you want to. However you can not combine codex's. This is a basic rule. Besides there are Chaos Special Characters that are better.

Hordini wrote:what's up with that?

All I'm going by are the Golden Daemon rules - which comes as close to converting guidelines as we have. They state that the models must be consistent with the background as laid out by GW - or some such phrasing.

Why do I, personally, object? I'm an RP gamer - I play for the story and so someone blatantly disregarding the background material because they think it's 'funny' makes me less interested to play against that army.*

I'm not having a shot at anyone either - opinions were asked for and opinions are being given, but the background and story are as much fun for me (if not more so) than moving little plastic men (or metal men in this case!). So having an army based upon the premise of 'Marneus Gone Wild' makes a game against that army less interesting/fun to me. There are other options for making stand-out chaosified armies which are far more internally consistent - for example a detachment of Ultramarines are lost near the eye of terror only to emerge hundreds of years later, ruthlessly hunted by their former friends and foes alike, trying desperately to prove they are uncorrupted despite their harrowing experience, and the obvious fact that every onee of them is daemon-tainted in some way.

The key to making your own army ideas is being able to work it in seamlessly with the exiting canon. The example above could be explained away as being inquisition-suppressed because admitting that a model chapter like the Ultramarines are corruptible would eat at the heart of the imperium. That's an interesting and exciting background to an army list that makes for a great story. Part of making it fit into the existing background means that, inherently, major characters and events are off limits - they have been writtten about for years, and aren't yours to mess about with. To me, it's would be like saying Abaddon finally says 'sorry, I''ve been a bad boy', and now fights again for the Emperor, with Ghazghkull Thraka as his pet puppy and a daisy as his personal standard.

That being said, I know some people are more about the tactics and rules, and good for them. Some people like to make up their own background, and good for them too. I'm not preaching for 'the true faith' here, just what makes games fun for me, and people like me. If someone sat down opposite me with an un-fluffy army I would probably shrug, say 'whatever' and get the game over with quickly. Would I seek them out to play against them again? Probably not because our play styles are so different.

So what I'm saying, is if he wants to do it, fine, some people will criticise, some people will not care, some people will like it. It depends absolutely and entirely on what his local group is like. If, amongst your group, you wish to write an "evil universe" version of the 40k universe, where the imperium is badly losing, that's cool, just expect people to question it when you bring it to a neutral table.

Just my thoughts.

*Full disclosure dept. U's are my main army, but I hold the same for Hello Kitty marines, pink necrons etc. etc.

Edited for clarity and point-making

It is possible to make him... but you must rename him

Carneus Malgar!

MauleedlovesYakeface wrote:You can make the model anything you want to. However you can not combine codex's. This is a basic rule. Besides there are Chaos Special Characters that are better.

I disagree. There are no chaos characters that let your whole army choose to pass or fail morale tests. Also, Abby's combi-bolter is not AP2, unlike Calgar's supa bolter.

What about naming him Raglac Suenram?

In the new space marince codex haven't they made it so you can include the named charecters in any force? So if you did want to use him for gaming add him to a force of renegades that still organise themselves under the codex force organisation charts, take your hq, elite, troop etc. choices from codex space marines and paint the models up as renegades. Or just go wild and do whatever you want to him just because you can It's your model after all!

orkylooter wrote:i think make him affected by all of them a little expect slaanesh i just dont like that one but that me

Khorne is tha one to take my friend.

In the past the Utra smurfs already lost the Gauntlets he wears to the beserkers.
Used alot of his chapter to get his glove's back.
hahahhahaha

So make him A great beserker

greetz typhoon

thanks for the input and i will most likely get him after October


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what should i do with the Honour Guards

Tacobake wrote:"No."

yes

Soviet Yam wrote:

Tacobake wrote:"No."

why?

Perhaps just like the 4 major traitor primarchs that went to far into their ways and basically went insane, someone like Eeebus will convince Calgar that there are loop holes in his Codex Astartes and he'll go insane trying to fix them.... Becoming, CHAOS CALGAR!

grimbrandt wrote:In the new space marince codex haven't they made it so you can include the named charecters in any force? So if you did want to use him for gaming add him to a force of renegades that still organise themselves under the codex force organisation charts, take your hq, elite, troop etc. choices from codex space marines and paint the models up as renegades. Or just go wild and do whatever you want to him just because you can It's your model after all!

Yep, they just want you to give them a different name.