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I think I've got this sussed now, and after seeing Redbeards awesome Emperors CHildren army in the articles I think I've made my mind up.

HQ

1 x Sorcerer - warptime, mark of tzeentch, terminator armour personal icon & combi weapon.

1 x Greater Daemon

Elite

5 x Chaos Terminators - mark of tzeentch, chain fist, 1 x heavy flamer & 3 x combi weapons

5 x Chaos Terminators - mark of tzeentch & chain fist

Troops

10 x Chaos Marines w/ Rhino - 2 x meltaguns & icon of chaos - champion w/ power weapon

10 x Chaos Marines w/ Rhino - 2 x meltaguns & icon of chaos - champion w/ power weapon

10 x Chaos Marines w/ Rhino - 2 x flamers & icon of chaos

9 x Lesser Daemons

9 x Lesser Daemons

Heavy Support

1 x Chaos Predator - autocannon & heavy bolters

1 x Chaos Vindicator

1 x Chaos Vindicator

Plan would have the sorcerer and chaos terminators deep striking in when I call for them. Sorcerer goes with vanilla chaos terminators, while the others with the chain fist can take on tougher enemies or vehicles.

Chaos Marines move forward melta and burn stuff. I would take slaanesh icons, but not enough points and I want my daemons to come onto the table depending on what unit needs the support mostly. One champion is naked ready to call the greater daemon .

Dakka pred supports one of the rhinos, probably the one with the flamer marines while the vindicators troop forward and blow gak up.

I'm wanting to keep a daemonic feel to this, so I want to keep the greater and lesser daemons. I've used lesser daemons before, they was ok, but hopefully with dual lesser daemon threats should be ok, plus I want those daemonette models

Maybe go for more Marks and Icons of Slaanesh?

I'd also suggest distributing your Combi-Meltas more evenly amongst the Terminators so they can pop armour when they come in: they'll survive better if you pop vehicles when they arrive, rather than hope a Iv4+ is enough later on.

Take a Personal Icon on your Sorcerer if you want to ensure Daemons arriving where the action is. Likewise a Terminator Champion upgrade in each Terminator squad, on a guy without a Combi-Weapon or Heavy Flamer, would work well. You can afford the Terminator Champions and the extra three Combi-Weapons and Heavy Flamer if you dump the Icons of Tzeentch.

This is honestly one of the times when I would suggest taking the Lash of Submission. If you drop the Mark of Tzeentch and take the Mark of Slaanesh instead, you should have the points available for a Familiar and the Lash of Submission so you can keep the Warptime.

You might also consider scrounging up the points to get Havoc Launchers on the Vindicators: it'll give them some accurate anti-infantry firepower well beyond Demolisher range, and a back-up when your Demolishers get knocked out.

Why would I got for more MoS for?

Aye, I think two per team would be better perhaps.

Ah, I forgot the sorcerer already has a personal icon, forgot to add it - list editted.

Terminator champions offer no benefit, 15 points for a extra attack, not much point. icons of tzeentch are staying, 4+ invulnerable is better than 5+ invulnerable.

I like MoT for the invulnerable save, lash doesn't really do anything for me I'm afriad.

Not enough points, though I could drop a daemon from each unit..

mercer wrote:Why would I got for more MoS for?

That pains me... Emperors Children are dedicated to the Chaos God Slaanesh. This is a fluff massacre.

mercer wrote: I like MoT for the invulnerable save, lash doesn't really do anything for me I'm afriad.

Not enough points, though I could drop a daemon from each unit..

I feel you should think about using a different legion. This is a fluff constraint, as unfortunately nothing can really stop you from playing this list as EC.

Just let it be known that some people value fluff over list effectiveness, just for the sake of being fluffy.


Ignoring what I said above, list-wise, I agree with Nurglitch. I'm suprised your Tzeench HQ has only 1 power, and that power is warptime. You can't use warptime on the turn you DS. Perhaps another power to augment the one you have?

The H.flamer on the termies could get moved to the other squad.

Good Luck.

mercer:

As mentioned, it's an Emperor's Children army. As a legion they went over to the worship of Slaanesh. Plus it would give you the opportunity to strike before Marine and on par with many Eldar and Tyranid armies. Against Orks you would have gone first anyways, but you should stick with Icons of Chaos Glory on the Chaos Space Marines anyway, and the Lash of Submission is actually pretty nasty to Ork hordes, and you can handle non-horde Orks well enough anyways.

Terminator Champions at 10pts each, and as well as an extra attack, they would give your Greater Daemon bodies to possess if your first option evaporates, or is out of position.

The Icons of Tzeentch are nice, and Iv4+ is better than Iv5+, but for five Terminators that very very costly for a shift from 1/3 to 1/2 and if the Terminator with the Icon buys it, you're out of luck. Plus the Terminators have no improvement to their Leadership, so if you're going with Icons for those guys you'd want Icon of Chaos Glory anyways.

As mentioned, taking the Mark of Tzeentch for just Warptime and a 4+ Invulnerable save isn't very effective for the points you've spent. The Lash of Submission would be very useful in these circumstances, especially since your Sorcerer will have a weapon for cracking transports, and will Deep Strike into position. Plus your Sorcerer will hit at I6 with Warptime, which is handy.

That pains me... Emperors Children are dedicated to the Chaos God Slaanesh. This is a fluff massacre.

I have to agree, MoS pretty much compulsory in ATLEAST 1 unit in a an Emporers Children force, hell every unit in my Emporers Children has a MoS (but then again I love the fluff), personally I feel you should something like Word Bearers...

The list itself seems good, I have no problems with lesser daemons and I like the termies but I'd have to agree with the idea of getting a terminator champion rather than, say, the naked champion (5pts less anyway). I'd keep the combi-meltas in 1 squad so they each have optimised roles, however maybe swap the HF?

Im not sure about the kit on the sorcerer either though I think winds of Chaos instead or getting Lash, MoS and Familiar and Warp time as Nurglitch said would be a better choice...

Iboshi2 wrote:

mercer wrote:Why would I got for more MoS for?

That pains me... Emperors Children are dedicated to the Chaos God Slaanesh. This is a fluff massacre.

mercer wrote: I like MoT for the invulnerable save, lash doesn't really do anything for me I'm afriad.

Not enough points, though I could drop a daemon from each unit..

I feel you should think about using a different legion. This is a fluff constraint, as unfortunately nothing can really stop you from playing this list as EC.

Just let it be known that some people value fluff over list effectiveness, just for the sake of being fluffy.


Ignoring what I said above, list-wise, I agree with Nurglitch. I'm suprised your Tzeench HQ has only 1 power, and that power is warptime. You can't use warptime on the turn you DS. Perhaps another power to augment the one you have?

The H.flamer on the termies could get moved to the other squad.

Good Luck.

Ah right. So I should "consider" another army because I'm not taking MoS because its not fluffy? Yeah right . If people want to cut off their nose to spite their face over less affective lists, then unfortunately thats there problem. I just see marks as bonus wargear, not chaos aligned symbols.

Why can't you use warptime on the turn you deep strike?

Heavy flamer goes well with chaos terminators, they are a assault unit and burning things before going in softens them up

Nurglitch wrote:mercer:

As mentioned, it's an Emperor's Children army. As a legion they went over to the worship of Slaanesh. Plus it would give you the opportunity to strike before Marine and on par with many Eldar and Tyranid armies. Against Orks you would have gone first anyways, but you should stick with Icons of Chaos Glory on the Chaos Space Marines anyway, and the Lash of Submission is actually pretty nasty to Ork hordes, and you can handle non-horde Orks well enough anyways.

Terminator Champions at 10pts each, and as well as an extra attack, they would give your Greater Daemon bodies to possess if your first option evaporates, or is out of position.

The Icons of Tzeentch are nice, and Iv4+ is better than Iv5+, but for five Terminators that very very costly for a shift from 1/3 to 1/2 and if the Terminator with the Icon buys it, you're out of luck. Plus the Terminators have no improvement to their Leadership, so if you're going with Icons for those guys you'd want Icon of Chaos Glory anyways.

As mentioned, taking the Mark of Tzeentch for just Warptime and a 4+ Invulnerable save isn't very effective for the points you've spent. The Lash of Submission would be very useful in these circumstances, especially since your Sorcerer will have a weapon for cracking transports, and will Deep Strike into position. Plus your Sorcerer will hit at I6 with Warptime, which is handy.

Why loose a 2+ model which costs me extra 10 points and then another 30 points to pull in a greater daemon? So its costing me 40 points in total, while the nake champion is 15. Hmmmm I know which one I'll use .

4+ invulnerable save and re-roll to hit and to wound isn't very effective for the points? What are you smoking? I thnik your just trying to get me to stick to slaanesh stuff only, but its not going to happen as I've used lash and it doesn't impress me and you mention ork hordes several times, I don't play against orks so thats out the window.

Chickenlegs! wrote:

That pains me... Emperors Children are dedicated to the Chaos God Slaanesh. This is a fluff massacre.

I have to agree, MoS pretty much compulsory in ATLEAST 1 unit in a an Emporers Children force, hell every unit in my Emporers Children has a MoS (but then again I love the fluff), personally I feel you should something like Word Bearers...

The list itself seems good, I have no problems with lesser daemons and I like the termies but I'd have to agree with the idea of getting a terminator champion rather than, say, the naked champion (5pts less anyway). I'd keep the combi-meltas in 1 squad so they each have optimised roles, however maybe swap the HF?

Im not sure about the kit on the sorcerer either though I think winds of Chaos instead or getting Lash, MoS and Familiar and Warp time as Nurglitch said would be a better choice...

Does it say compulsory in the codex? Again, I think others are getting too wound up in the background, as long as it looks like a E.C army then its a E.C army. Why should I do Word Bearers for? Because the E.C don't have MoS? Er, no thanks, I like E.C if I wanted to do Word Bearers my title would say Word Bearers list

The terminator champion maybe 5 points less, but am I really going to sacrifice a 2+ 40 points model? No, not really. I'll gladly loose a 30 point model with a 3+ save and no power weapon.

I have given wind of chaos some thought, same points as warptime if I remember right.

The reason you can't use Warptime the turn you come in is because you have to roll for it at the start of your turn and since your sorc isn't actually on the board according to the rules you can't roll for it.

As far as the list is concerned it looks alright. I like the idea of a three pronged attack force. But I don't really like the idea of a naked champ being the only champ you're gonna use to summon your GD for 2 reasons. The first being that having a single model on the board for this one purpose, what happens if he dies or their rhino gets popped turn one and they're foot sloggin' it? or what if he's on a side of the table where nothing is happening and all the smack down is on the other side of the board? IMHO you should kit out all of your champs how you need them and then pick the best place to summon the GD, that way you'll always be able to use it to your advantage.

Your use of the GD also makes Nurglitch's point of taking Termi champs all the more legit. If you decided to take one or 2 of these than you have all the more options for hitting the enemy where it hurts.

I hope this has helped you in some way.

As a side note - the only reason i clicked into this posting was becasue i thought it was gonna be an actual EC list, this is false advertising. And while I may be somewhat of a fluff fanatic (esp after reading Fulgrim), I don't think you should get all pissed off just because YOU posted the list as being Emperors Children, which it clearly isn't. I'm not saying it has to be EC but you mislead everyone with the post title.

Er...

the power is used at the start of any players turn

So I can use warptime, if I get assaulted after I deep striked in.

Well reason for the naked champ is obivously to cut down on wargear wastage for when the greater daemon comes in. Now what you say is true, what if the transport that champ is in gets popped, or that entire unit inc the champ gets wasted - well I'll be forced to use another champ simple as, but the naked champ is my main one.

I still disagree in wasting a 40 points model with 2+ save and power weapon to summon in a greater daemon when I can do it on a 30 point model which is just 3+ save, makes more the sense. Also, do two chaos terminator units need a greater daemon for support? Not really, sure they can get beaten, and might not come on the board together.

Its not false advertising is it as I'm not "advertising" anything. I'm just saying its a E.C list, which is will be once I've painted the army. I'm not saying "ohhh come over here and look" I'm saying "this is my army list" people choose to look if they wish. Reason I'm getting pissed of is because I don't want people telling me to chose another army just because I don't follow the fluff police rules and have slannesh icons, so what - if it looks like a E.C army then its a E.C army. So I'm not misleadnig any one, and the pictures of said army will prove its a E.C army once its completed . Who do these peopel think they are telling someone to do another army just because it doesn't use Noise Marines or slaanesh icons - so what?

At the end of the day I don't want feedback on whether its a fluffy list, I'm not particularly interested in that when playing a game. I just want to know if its a good list playability wise, and if it can be improved. I don't want people telling me to use, or think of another paint scheme just because it doesn't take certain wargear. Thats horse gak and I'll take whatever wargear I like and paint it what I like

mercer:

The Terminators don't need the Greater Daemon for support. The reason I suggested some Terminator Champions was so that your Greater Daemon could possess a model that had used Deep Strike to close with the enemy.

Something I'd suggest doing when writing a 'counts-as' list is to note when and where you're using 'counts-as', so like:

Chaos Space Marines
10 Chaos Space Marines w/two Melta Guns, Icon of Slaanesh Glory, etc.

Where is the Emporer's Children in this Emporer's Children list?

Either way sounds like a blast to play. GL

No noise marines, no slannesh marks, no slannesh powers.

It looks more tzeench then EC.

Nurglitch wrote:mercer:

The Terminators don't need the Greater Daemon for support. The reason I suggested some Terminator Champions was so that your Greater Daemon could possess a model that had used Deep Strike to close with the enemy.

Something I'd suggest doing when writing a 'counts-as' list is to note when and where you're using 'counts-as', so like:

Chaos Space Marines
10 Chaos Space Marines w/two Melta Guns, Icon of Slaanesh Glory, etc.

I don't follow you. You said the terminators don't need the greater daemon for support, yet upgrade to a champion to pull the daemon through - when the daemon comes through it will be obivously close to the chaos terminators, and offer support.

Don't really need to note anything, other to keep fluff fanatics happy.

Deuce11 wrote:Where is the Emporer's Children in this Emporer's Children list?

Either way sounds like a blast to play. GL

They are running around in pink or purple power armour, keep your eye peeled as one will run past screaming in a minute

Lord-Loss wrote:No noise marines, no slannesh marks, no slannesh powers.

It looks more tzeench then EC.

Oh sorry. I forgot I must take slannesh powers and icons for E.C list when in fact I don't find the benefits of taking that wargear, when I find others better. Just because its Emperors Children doesn't mean I have to take MoS and slaanesh powers, use the marks for benefits, not for fluff, a 4+ invulnerable save is better than a 5+ invulnerable isn't it?

If it looks like Emperors Children, then it is Emperors Children

@mercer:

Count-As EC.../shrug, everone has different opinions about it.
At the end of the day it's your decision...but most people got into EC due to sonic weapons...they still have them but if you don't like them enough to take em /shrug.

My issue with it is in game.
They look like EC< but aren't....that could be a problem with gaming in general.
It's sort of rude to expect the opponent to memorize what counts as what...as WYSIWYG there could be problems....weapons are the same, but the underlying rules/stats are different.

Sure you can keep reminding the opponent, or they keep asking...but it's still rude.
But that's only my opinion...worth only a grain of salt.

Though, passive aggressive is good and all, but it's just a point of view issue here, so no real need to get nippy. I feel it's enough to make your point and move on.

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The list:

Sorc: Warp time is cool, but no Wind of chaos goodness?
Greater daemon: Limited entry points. And somewhat expensive entry points. In addition, whne he comes in, you lose a power weapon and Ld 10 on the CSM.

Termies: are so so, I still feel ICON of tzeentch is too expensive for what you get.
Why no combi weapons on all of them?

CSM all look ok. Decent weapon set up, numbers, rhinos.
Lesser daemons are ok a bit meh.

Dakka pred seems ok, but looks out of place as the only static piece.

Vindi are ok, but no possession?

My 7 Cents.

Eh? Nothing counts as as anything. The army looks like Emperors Children has the correct wargear, and weapons. Everything is WYSIWYG and follows the rules from the codex. I do not understand your point or problem? What have I got to remind them exactly, that a Chaos Marines is a Chaos Marine? So what exactly have I got to remind?

I get pissy because I don't like people saying I cannot do it just because I'm not taking MoS - so what? Still has E.C colours, icons and will have slaanesh icons so whats the beef?

Well the sorcerer can only fire one weapon at once, ok its a bolt pistol. I'd rather have to re-roll to hit and wound with that power/force weapon.

Save isn't brilliant on Greater Daemon, but I'm having it for semi background purposes (yes, seriously! lol) . See unlike Iron Warriors who are really just angry spikey Marines, E.C's love yo daemons. When he comes in I'm hoping to use that naked champ, I'd rather use those 45 point if I must, but I'd be keeping the terminator champion even if 5 ponits cheaper.

4+ invulnerable save is good. I learnt this from 'Stealers and loyal Terminators. Not enough points for combi weapons on them all, though I will be balancing them out.

I've tried lesser daemons before, two units should be ok, though same reason I'm taking a greater daemon

Ah, dakka pred won't be static. It will be moving along with a rhino, ok cannot use the heavy bolters, but I can stop for one turn fire, and move on.

Not enough points for possession or would have definately taken it.

I didn’t mean WYSIWYG for gear.
I meant WYSIWYG between what model you see and what rules the model uses.
Certainly you can keep reminding the opponent they are not true Noise Marines, because that is what most people expect in a EC list.

When I see purple/pink I see Noise marines, and that means the fearless types. And I’ll most likely forget throughout the game and forget to make sure morale tests and pinning test are taken, because I mistake them for the fearless Noise Marines, and not the Normal marines with icon of chaos glory.

See what I mean…it’s that sort of WYSIWYG that can trip people up mid game.
The beef is that…the Icon of Slaanesh you have on…. Is not the Icon of Slaanesh.
Do you get what I’m trying to say? I’m not saying don’t do it, just saying some people have issue with it at the most basic levels.

But this is beating a dead horse… for list purposes it doesn’t matter
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Sorc:
Warptime + Wind allows you to kill Units….
Comparted to:
Warptime + Force Weapon to kill mid-level characters without eternal warrior…

It’s prob. a preference issue, but I think you’ll get much more mileage out of Wind+Warp than Warp + Force weapon.

Hell get it all, it’s expensive, but it’s prob. the only expensive HQ that’s worth it.

All other points are ok.

Lesser/Greater are interesting items to include.
IMO, chaos termies should not be engaging loyalist termies…and if they do it should be combo-plama spam, so that there’s nothing left to threaten the termies that would require a 4++.

My 7 Cents.

Not really, E.C's do have normal marines and Noise Marines are tellable by the sonic weapons. Your just presuming they are Noise Marines because they a pink or purple, but haven't checked the WYSIWYG wargear, which you can quite easily tell. That would be your error, not mine.

Not sure what your point is on eternal warrior, wind still cannot kill those with eternal warrior, only bonus would be for to damage units before assault.

Thats the beauty of combi weapons on chaos terminators. You can choose what combi weapons you want each game, so if I see loads of armour its meltas, hordes flamers and loyalist terminators and marines plasma. In combat there is, plasma won't kill them all especially storm shield totting ones.

Hey mercer, how you doing?

I don't have any huge objection to using different chaos icons, no matter what you call the army or paint it, but that's because I'd ask you before the game started anyway. Maybe you should tell people it's not all Icon of Slaanesh'd though, since they might just assume it if you show up with Emperor's Children - especially if you put the actual slaanesh icon on the models. Maybe paint them pink+purple, but put on the appropriate banner symbol, so people have some reminder whilst they're facing you?

Bit cheeky that you said all your stuff is WYSIWYG so the icons don't matter, and then admitted you change the type of combi-weapons your terminators are using game-to-game!
(Disclaimer: I have seen mercer play, and he did inform his opponent what combi-weapons he was using, etc, he's really not a bad guy)

The list looks solid to me, I think the mark of tzeentch is pretty expensive on a sorcerer for the admittedly useful effect. I think another vindicator might be better than a predator (which looks like it might end up alone in your back field) and maybe you should cut the daemons for another helping of combi-weapons for the 2nd terminator squad.

Hey up mate, how's it going where ever you might be? lol.

You know me, I'd say this unit as 4+ invulnerable save etc etc and you'd just buy it and not question oh why hasn't got mark of tzeentch.

The combi weapon is a bit difficult. See you can change them game to game as the chaos codex says purchase combi weapons, not combi melta, however to do true WYSIWY would require magnets. I haven't got time for magnets. But, I would inform before hand as you know

As with regards to icons, I'd either not model them or just put on the normal one. Either way, my point is just because they are E.C doesn't mean they HAVE to have MoS

Its that invulnerable save, I just love it. I did have triple vindicators, but changed to a predator, might change it back again.

Iboshi2 wrote:

mercer wrote: I like MoT for the invulnerable save, lash doesn't really do anything for me I'm afriad.

Not enough points, though I could drop a daemon from each unit..

I feel you should think about using a different legion. This is a fluff constraint, as unfortunately nothing can really stop you from playing this list as EC.

Just let it be known that some people value fluff over list effectiveness, just for the sake of being fluffy.

As I said, I was just pointing out that there are a number of players in the game who will be confused by this. There is nothing 'wrong' with it by the rules.

mercer wrote:
If people want to cut off their nose to spite their face over less affective lists, then unfortunately thats there problem.

That's slightly extreme, and doesn't make sense either.

Nurglitch wrote:
The Icons of Tzeentch are nice, and Iv4+ is better than Iv5+, but for five Terminators that very very costly for a shift from 1/3 to 1/2 and if the Terminator with the Icon buys it, you're out of luck. Plus the Terminators have no improvement to their Leadership, so if you're going with Icons for those guys you'd want Icon of Chaos Glory anyways.

I agree completely. In terms of metagame, Chaos has no psychic defense, and even a mid sized PBS can spell doom for small termies squads loosing on man to a pinning weapon.

mercer wrote:
Does it say compulsory in the codex? Again, I think others are getting too wound up in the background, as long as it looks like a E.C army then its a E.C army. Why should I do Word Bearers for? Because the E.C don't have MoS? Er, no thanks, I like E.C if I wanted to do Word Bearers my title would say Word Bearers list

As I stated before: This is a fluff constraint, as unfortunately nothing can really stop you from playing this list as EC

mercer wrote:Er...
So I can use warptime, if I get assaulted after I deep striked in.

Yes you can, but you don't benefit from rr to hit and wound in shooting. (not really that big a deal, but hey, if he had a combi-melta it might be huge)

mercer wrote:
I still disagree in wasting a 40 points model with 2+ save and power weapon to summon in a greater daemon when I can do it on a 30 point model which is just 3+ save, makes more the sense. Also, do two chaos terminator units need a greater daemon for support? Not really, sure they can get beaten, and might not come on the board together.

I agree. I would never use a terminator to summon the Greater Daemon.

mercer wrote:
Its not false advertising is it as I'm not "advertising" anything. I'm just saying its a E.C list, which is will be once I've painted the army. I'm not saying "ohhh come over here and look" I'm saying "this is my army list" people choose to look if they wish. Reason I'm getting pissed of is because I don't want people telling me to chose another army just because I don't follow the fluff police rules and have slannesh icons, so what - if it looks like a E.C army then its a E.C army. So I'm not misleadnig any one, and the pictures of said army will prove its a E.C army once its completed . Who do these peopel think they are telling someone to do another army just because it doesn't use Noise Marines or slaanesh icons - so what?

At the end of the day I don't want feedback on whether its a fluffy list, I'm not particularly interested in that when playing a game. I just want to know if its a good list playability wise, and if it can be improved. I don't want people telling me to use, or think of another paint scheme just because it doesn't take certain wargear. Thats horse gak and I'll take whatever wargear I like and paint it what I like

If that was your intent, the title should have been 'New CSM 2,000 points'. That would have kept the fluff comments away.

mercer wrote:Eh? Nothing counts as as anything. The army looks like Emperors Children has the correct wargear, and weapons. Everything is WYSIWYG and follows the rules from the codex. I do not understand your point or problem? What have I got to remind them exactly, that a Chaos Marines is a Chaos Marine? So what exactly have I got to remind?

I get pissy because I don't like people saying I cannot do it just because I'm not taking MoS - so what? Still has E.C colours, icons and will have slaanesh icons so whats the beef?

If your Icons a Slaanesh are 'couting as' Icons of Tzeench, that's a counts as. You better get used to people caring about the fluff, because unless your local group is completly different than mine, the fluff questions will never stop with your army. May seem stupid, but it's a very important part of the game for many people.

mercer wrote:Not really, E.C's do have normal marines and Noise Marines are tellable by the sonic weapons. Your just presuming they are Noise Marines because they a pink or purple, but haven't checked the WYSIWYG wargear, which you can quite easily tell. That would be your error, not mine.

That's very true, but also not that friendly. Depends how and where you plan to play this list.

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Just because it poped up a few times; which combi-weapons do your termies have? If they've got plasma or melta, I'd move the H.flamer to the other squad. When you fire melta at a vehicle, the H.flamer is out of place. Plasma has a long range, that doesn't complement the flamer. Just a suggestion.

Have fun.

I did not mean to say you didn't inform the opponent, if that is how I come off.
I'm just saying that people have different standards in regards to list building/naming/army composition/WYSIWYG/etc.

I have a question a bit off topic. Did you have some sort of feeling, before you posted this topic, that you would have to explain the list to be Emperer's Children?

My 7 Cents.

My only question is why call them emporers children if you use nothing relative to the army? Is it simply because you liked the paint scheme and chose to keep it regardless? Did you have them painted, tried out some of the units, and decide you didnt like em?

Whatever the reason may be, it takes two to tango in this game and chaos, having specific marks and legion units, can confuse your opponent if you call something a duck when in fact its a squirrel... do you get my reasoning?

Just call em tzeench marines, is it really that harD?

Mercer Wrote:
Does it say compulsory in the codex?

No, but i covered my back, I said "pretty much compulsory" because its whats expected from an EC army, not to have a single MoS seems cheesy, and I imagine most will agree as almost everyone who's replied has criticised the contrast of the theme to the list...

and in terms of the getting confused over army theme, you could say before a game something like "hey, this isn't an EC army in army selection or anything, but other than the lack of EC type units it EC because I like pink..."

Mercer Wrote:
Ah right. So I should "consider" another army because I'm not taking MoS because its not fluffy? Yeah right . If people want to cut off their nose to spite their face over less affective lists, then unfortunately thats there problem

Maybe you shouldn't "consider another army", you should consider changing your attitude instead. People are trying to help you with your army, as is expected when you post it on this forum, bad advice or not they don't expect the OP to get as you so aptly put it [very] "pissy".

I would also recomend dropping a few of the lesser daemons to get another rhino for your flamer squad, that or give em' something like a missile launcher so they can sit on the home objective and blast away.

And I stick to the idea of having a termie champion so that with good timing you can have GD popping up behind the enemy, which would be handy particularly if your naked champ gets stranded along the way...

Hell, you MAY even consider dropping ur HQ's for 2 daemon princes, although I get the impression that your quite 'attached' to your sorcerer, 2 DP's would still be kick ass!

Let's give him some credit...it's an 'EC' without lash...
I'd clap to that.

:-D

My 7 Cents.

Sanctjud wrote:
Let's give him some credit...it's an 'EC' without lash...
I'd clap to that.

hahaha! I wouldn't! a lash would be handy (particularly with 2 vindi's) and fits with the (albeit lacking) EC theme!

Nothing special about an Emperor's Children list without the Lash of Submission. For presentation, though, I'd edit it to be:

HQ
Sorcerer of Slaanesh
Chaos Sorcerer w/Mark of Tzeentch, Warptime, Doombolt, Terminator Armour, Personal Icon, Combi-weapon.

Keeper of Secrets
Summoned Greater Daemon

Elite
Phoenix Guard
Terminator Champion
4 Chaos Terminators w/Icon of Slaanesh Glory, Chain Fist, 4 Combi-weapons

Phoenix Guard
Terminator Champion
4 Chaos Terminators w/Icon of Slaanesh Glory, Chain Fist, 4 Combi-weapons

Troops
Battle Squad
Aspiring Champion of Slaanesh w/Power weapon
9 Chaos Space Marines w/2 Meltaguns, Icon of Slaanesh Glory
Rhino

Battle Squad
Aspiring Champion of Slaanesh w/Power weapon
9 Chaos Space Marines w/2 Meltaguns, Icon of Slaanesh Glory
Rhino

Battle Squad
10 Chaos Space Marines w/2 Flamers, Icon of Slaanesh Glory
Rhino w/Twin-Linked Bolters

The Daemonettes of Agony
9 Summoned Lesser Daemons

The Daemonettes of Ecstasy
9 Summoned Lesser Daemons

Heavy Support
Chaos Predator
w/Autocannon, Heavy Bolters, Havoc Launcher

Chaos Vindicator

Chaos Vindicator

Sanctjud wrote:Let's give him some credit...it's an 'EC' without lash...
I'd clap to that.

:-D

My 7 Cents.

That's the funny part though, it would be MORE 'EC'-like if it had the lash!

I do agree though.

I clap as well.


Edit-

Also, nice way to make the list presentable Nurglitch. I like it.

No Noise Marine's?? D:

This has to be a troll thread. EC = Slaanesh. Thousand Sons = Tzeentch.

Iboshi2 wrote:

mercer wrote:
If people want to cut off their nose to spite their face over less affective lists, then unfortunately thats there problem.

That's slightly extreme, and doesn't make sense either.

What I mean is people try to stick to the background wiith MoS, but for me MoT is better. So why cut yourself short when you could take a better mark for better benefits? You never heard that phrase before?

Iboshi2 wrote:

Just because it poped up a few times; which combi-weapons do your termies have? If they've got plasma or melta, I'd move the H.flamer to the other squad. When you fire melta at a vehicle, the H.flamer is out of place. Plasma has a long range, that doesn't complement the flamer. Just a suggestion.

Have fun.

Ah, see the beauty of combi weapons is it states combi weapons, so depending on each game I'll take what I require - of course I'd let the other player no before hand. But the codex says combi weapons, not combi flamer etc etc so you're not "locked" with a certain piece of wargear. I do agree with your suggestion however

Sanctjud wrote:

I have a question a bit off topic. Did you have some sort of feeling, before you posted this topic, that you would have to explain the list to be Emperer's Children?

My 7 Cents.

No, I've been through this before with my Iron Warriors and was half expecting it. Lets just say for example I took no marks of slaanesh at all, would they still be E.C? Yes they would.

gameandwatch wrote:My only question is why call them emporers children if you use nothing relative to the army? Is it simply because you liked the paint scheme and chose to keep it regardless? Did you have them painted, tried out some of the units, and decide you didnt like em?

Whatever the reason may be, it takes two to tango in this game and chaos, having specific marks and legion units, can confuse your opponent if you call something a duck when in fact its a squirrel... do you get my reasoning?

Just call em tzeench marines, is it really that harD?

I like the paint scheme . Like I said, if I didn't take MoS would they still be E.C? Also if they are painted E.C and I call 'em Tzeentch Marines don't you think thats the pot callnig the kettle black by telling me to take MoS so fits with theme, yet call them Tzeentch even though E.C?

Chickenlegs! wrote:
Maybe you shouldn't "consider another army", you should consider changing your attitude instead. People are trying to help you with your army, as is expected when you post it on this forum, bad advice or not they don't expect the OP to get as you so aptly put it [very] "pissy".

I'm getting pissy because how would you like it if I said to you consider another army just because it hasn't got MoS? As you said, help with the army, not background

I would also recomend dropping a few of the lesser daemons to get another rhino for your flamer squad, that or give em' something like a missile launcher so they can sit on the home objective and blast away.

I have given that some thought and perhaps getting havoc launchers, or maybe or swap the Predator for Vindicator.

Hell, you MAY even consider dropping ur HQ's for 2 daemon princes, although I get the impression that your quite 'attached' to your sorcerer, 2 DP's would still be kick ass!

I've got two D.P's ni my I.W army already, so I want something different. I know D.P's are far better, but I want something new

Nurglitch wrote:Nothing special about an Emperor's Children list without the Lash of Submission. For presentation, though, I'd edit it to be:

HQ
Sorcerer of Slaanesh
Chaos Sorcerer w/Mark of Tzeentch, Warptime, Doombolt, Terminator Armour, Personal Icon, Combi-weapon.

Keeper of Secrets
Summoned Greater Daemon

Elite
Phoenix Guard
Terminator Champion
4 Chaos Terminators w/Icon of Slaanesh Glory, Chain Fist, 4 Combi-weapons

Phoenix Guard
Terminator Champion
4 Chaos Terminators w/Icon of Slaanesh Glory, Chain Fist, 4 Combi-weapons

Troops
Battle Squad
Aspiring Champion of Slaanesh w/Power weapon
9 Chaos Space Marines w/2 Meltaguns, Icon of Slaanesh Glory
Rhino

Battle Squad
Aspiring Champion of Slaanesh w/Power weapon
9 Chaos Space Marines w/2 Meltaguns, Icon of Slaanesh Glory
Rhino

Battle Squad
10 Chaos Space Marines w/2 Flamers, Icon of Slaanesh Glory
Rhino w/Twin-Linked Bolters

The Daemonettes of Agony
9 Summoned Lesser Daemons

The Daemonettes of Ecstasy
9 Summoned Lesser Daemons

Heavy Support
Chaos Predator
w/Autocannon, Heavy Bolters, Havoc Launcher

Chaos Vindicator

Chaos Vindicator

Thats very nice, but all you've done is changed the names, which is fine btw, but thats my points - thats all I would have done, yet people seem to be fine the way you've done it?