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The issue is, you didn't change the names.
You didn't explain your rationale.

It didn't occur to you that the majority of the people who play 40K since 4th ed would have the established fluff in mind.
That many people take things at face value.

I'm not saying you can't do whatever you are doing, but if you don't set parameters, people can only contribute what they know.
And if you put forth a ... 'radical' idea, then it's only natural to have nay-sayers.

But as I said before, it is of little value to the List Building point of view of the Army List section, unless you want it to be.

Just ignore the nay-sayers and focus on the list.

This list makes me cry. I've played Emperor's Children for years. I'll admit though, there's times other icons are just....better. I've taken to giving my terminators the "Icon of the Gladiator" [khorne], I use a squad of oblits from time to time, and my CSM squads often take the chaos glory icon.

Unless I'm at a sportsmanship-rated tournament. Then, to help balance out dual lash, I make sure every single unit is either a noisemarine or has the icon of Slaanesh.

Sanctjud wrote:The issue is, you didn't change the names.
You didn't explain your rationale.

But as I said before, it is of little value to the List Building point of view of the Army List section, unless you want it to be.

Just ignore the nay-sayers and focus on the list.

You have now just proved my point. I was saying they're painted as E.C, yet have MoT, yet others are crying saying must have MoS. Yet the other geezer re-names them, but still MoT yet its all okay pokay? Proves my point that if it looks like a E.C then its a E.C as all that other dude has done is given fancy names to MoT and everyone is cool with, even though MoT - so it it just because the name? My point is about the benefits, I don't care about the name.

Yes, you keep saying that, but unfortunately keep posting about how important background must match in armies.

Spellbound wrote:This list makes me cry. I've played Emperor's Children for years. I'll admit though, there's times other icons are just....better. I've taken to giving my terminators the "Icon of the Gladiator" [khorne], I use a squad of oblits from time to time, and my CSM squads often take the chaos glory icon.

Unless I'm at a sportsmanship-rated tournament. Then, to help balance out dual lash, I make sure every single unit is either a noisemarine or has the icon of Slaanesh.

Why does it make you cry for? Because it has no Noise Marines which cannot crack tough armour? I glad you see my point.

I didn't say it was important, i'm just replying to comments made.

If it's count as it's count as, your list is the definition pretty much, but you can call it whatever you want.
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Noise marines 'can't' crack armor?
It may not be ideal, but they can:
Noise marine champ fists, krak grenades, focused Blast Master shots.

My 7 Cents.

Personally I dont recommend Noise Marines either, altho the blastmaster can act as anti-tank or heavy infantry, Noise Marines can be v. good (and versatile) however theyre really not needed in your list IMHO

Personally (although I, myself, like to stick very much to the fluff) i feel that simply re-naming em' isnt enough, i feel that to make people happy you could simply give ur sorcerer a MoS, which is helpful by itself but still allows all your current equipment and although you do lose a little bit of inv. save, you still have termie armour for protection, and would save points 2 spend elsewhere. then when people criticise the list which would otherwise lack almost anything EC/Slaanesh you can say, in background terms, something like "the sorcerer was from the emporers children legion and recruited the majority of the army into his service but they have since turned to various other gods". although I recognise you dont care about the fluff, as you may have noticed the majority of others do, hence a simple change like this could make them 'happy'. Also with a high init, force weapon and warptime your 4+ inv. may never be needed!

another thing that may prove to be a problem is if you say things represent things (badly explained I know!) which they dont look like, for example "the army is actually emporers children, despite the army list, and those combi-melta on the termies are actually combi-flamers and that greater daemon is actually... oh wait no its a greater daemon" a problem which would be further compounded if you modelled MoS but were listed as MoT as I'd swear someone suggested.

Still though the list itself is pretty much fine and i suspect that the only real improvements needed will likely come from play-testing...

Oh and in response to your question I really dont think I'd mind people suggesting I try a different legion/army I'll respect their opinion despite how crap it may be and maybe even take it on board! :O

anyway, its just my opinion I'd rather you didnt get pissy or bite my nose off and spit down it or whatever

Thats my point as well chickenlegs, why do I have to make people happy on the internet? I won't see them or probably play them, and its me spending the money on the models so ultimately I want to make myself happy - no other sod.

Exactly, re-naming doesn't solve the problem which people have mentioned about background. People are saying take MoS and nothing else. Not MoT and call it MoT, surely that would cause more problems.

Yeah, the greater daemon will always be a greater daemon lol. Not a lot I can do about that.

Noisemarines are all armed with krak grenades and the champion can take a meltabomb. It's not the best anti-tank in the world, but they can handle it.

But that's not what they're for. I avoid the Blastmaster at all costs and go for a Doomsiren champion. There's nothing better at killing marines. Even 1ksons fall flat if the marines get in cover.

Now, if Warp Time affected a squad you were joined to.... THAT would make 1ksons super awesome.

The blastmaster (48" range one?) is stupidily costed for what is a krak rocket and something else. Also, keep in mind that normal CSM champs can take meltabombs and the CSM have kraks already.

If warptime affectved squads it would be truely awesome!

Mercer Wrote:
Thats my point as well chickenlegs, why do I have to make people happy on the internet? I won't see them or probably play them, and its me spending the money on the models so ultimately I want to make myself happy - no other sod.

Oh no I dont expect you to try to appease random blokes off the internet, however we can represent a large portion of the gaming community, a gaming community that appears to wish for to have an EC army that suits the fluff in someway other than paint scheme. You're surely going to get people that you play games against questioning the list/background like the rest of us have...

and we're not saying you should take only MoS, we'd just like one, just one! as i said i feel you could put it on the HQ then you save points for say, a havoc launcher for the dakka pred or power weapon for the naked champion? I dunno, there will likely always be an issue with the conflict between the army and the paint scheme/name, and hell if your willing to ignore everyone (internet and real-life) that comments than fine, you will most likely still get complaints till somethings changed its the harsh, yet probable truth...

oh and the blastmaster is more than a 40pts missile launcher, its pinning, has a krak missile with blast attack and what its pretty much an assault HB...

as I said before, just my advice and opinion...

Blastmaster looks cool/intimidating on paper, but it's not.
The cost is still very steep ( in the new age of free hvy weapons...........).

Pinning: /shrug, who cares anymore these days?
Krak Blast: space out and get cover saves, not hard.
Assault Hvy bolter with less shots, great.
You pay for flexibility too for having two fire modes, but those fire modes are pretty meh when you take into account other factors like the general Meching of armies, 5th ed gamey mechanics.

I was going to say pinning, like that matters with the high leaderships about now. As Sanctjud said your paying for flexibility but not getting much in return.

And no Chickenlegs, the people I play against are a lot more relaxed and are more gamers than fluffers and would not question things like that, nor be interested.

Oh, and re-read what you put You're saying you don't expect me to please internet folk (nor am I going to) yet you say in the next breath about taking one MoS to keep people happy and people wish for it to match background, don't you think thats double standards by saying we don't expect you to, but errrm you should do really just to keep people hapyp. Uhmmm, my army?

Sorry, but sometimes your replies are just useless babble, just forget the background I'm purely not interested and none of your points are even strong for why I should be. Sorry.


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A new list which now has a few MoS, not to silence the whingers in case anyone shouts double standards, but because I've got the points . I'm still with my point if theres better marks out there I'm taking it .

Anyway..

1 x Sorcerer wind of chaos, mark of tzeentch & terminator armour
1 x Greater Daemon

5 x Chaos Terminators mark of tzeentch, 1 x chain fist, 1 x heavy flamer & 2 x combi weapons
5 x Chaos Terminators mark of tzeentch, 1 x chain fist, 1 x heavy flamer & 2 x combi weapons

10 x Chaos Marines w/ rhino mark of slaanesh & 2 x meltaguns - champ w/ power weapon
10 x Chaos Marines w/ rhino mark of slaanesh undivided & 2 x meltaguns - champ w/ power weapon
10 x Chaos Marines w/ rhino mark of slaanesh undivided & 2 x flamers - champ - rhino w/ havoc launcher
7 x Lesser Daemons
7 x Lesser Daemons

1 X Chaos Predator heavy bolters
1 x Chaos Vindicator
1 x Chaos Vindicator

HQ:I still highly suggest warptime+wind combo. Mark of Tzeentch on a Sorc pretty much screams it out, but points are an issue.

Greater Daemon is meh, the delivery looks ok.

Termies are configured to be very generalist, able to take on a variety of targets, though I prefer specializing them. It’s still a lot of points on those 5 models.

CSM: the icons are ok, cheaper than getting real noise marines, points saved go for equipment.
Decent stuff.

Lesserdaemons: IMO, they are functional starting at 8 members. Why? Because that 8 th member starts the second ring, adding an additional inch to the charge range.
I don’t know about you, but that one inch is a huge difference when trying to pull of charges with lesser daemons.

Pred: looks ok, but seems……out of place.
Vindis are ok, but I guess not enough points for possession.

Warptime and Doombolt is another combination: it's not as expensive as the Warptime and Wind of Chaos combination and somewhat more useful if you intend your character to go steaming into combat right after. Plus it has over twice the range. The problem with template weapons is that they can cause enough casualties for a canny player to put you outside of assault range. As the green abomination said: that 1" can make the difference during a charge.

Yea, but my intentions for suggesting the Warpwind was purely on the killy side.

Or better yet, it's best employed in dropping off a rhino after it has moved and opening up. You lose nothing if he removes front models as you couldn't assault anyway.

Anyway, I second Nurglitch's post. It's always something to keep in the back of your mind.
Not only can they remove the front models, but stuff like combat tactics or failed morale tests...all can rob a charge.

lol wind of chaos instead of warptime now something else. i have had problems in the past being denied of a charge. i thought of doombolt, but the sorcerer has a pistol, oblivously doombolt is better. ill have a play.

chaos terminators are fine, id prefer more combi weapons but points are a problem.

i havent got enough points for 8 daemons per unit, unless i loose two slaanesh marks, which is fine.

predator goes with havoc rhino, two anti troop units together.

Oh My God! a mark of Slaanesh!

I would drop a terminator from a squad if your deepstriking the termies with the sorcerer.

and why would i do that, what is the benefit?

Cause bigger squads mean more likely to hit some terrain and loose 1/5 of your army.

Well...hitting terrain isn't a huge problem.

It's hitting impassible terrain like enemy models that is the worry.

But that's only an issue if he's doing a highly risk/stupid Deepstrike.
He's got lots of icons in the army.
Yes, he calls them Mark of Slaanesh, but they are actually Icons of Slaanesh, so that should help with the whole DS thing for the termies.

Lord-Loss wrote:Cause bigger squads mean more likely to hit some terrain and loose 1/5 of your army.

Thats not a very good reason. One model 2" won't make that much difference, and if I deep strike into terrain would have to take a dangerous terrain test. I have chaos icons, so teleport within 6" of them and you don't scatter anyway