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I don't think so and it appears people are finally starting to see through his demise. I am curious as to what others think.

OK everyone lets keep the ethnicity stuff out of it this time shall we?

I predict lots of giant rubber suited monster actioin in the next election. Godzilla for the 2012 Ticket!

Way too early to tell however if the GOP tries to push Palin either as a VP or as their presidential candidate then hell yes Obama will be reelected.

However Obama hasn't even had a year in the office yet, trying to predict his future reelection is bit, for a polite word, naive.

People are seeing through is demise? But he's still alive!

I agree with Cane, it's WAY too early to tell how things will end up. There's no perfect president, but after 8 years of chronic bad decision making, I'm happy with the job he's doing so far. Not expecting to change anybody's mind, and would appreciate the same courtesy in return.

I also like that thanks to the forum's handy dandy feature that hightlights and defintes initials of game jargon, in Cane's post Palin is possibly being pushed as a Victory Point (VP). Kind of the same thing though - that is relying on Palin for victory. That would be like having a substitute teacher run the country. Except dumber and meaner. I like how she postures herself as a "pitbull with lipstick", then cries foul when Letterman busts her chops - this is "toughness"?

I think at the end of the day, there's a sizeable amount of folks who:

1. Can't stand the fact that the GOP lost the election, and by no small amount, meaning most of the country rejects their policies.

2. I also think there's a good chance that a good few of those who oppose Obama just don't like that there's a black dude sitting behind the desk in the Oval Office. I'm not saying everyone against him is a racist, but for sure that's a factor. Just like if a lot of those folks opposed to gay marriage came out of the closet we'd all be happier.

BTW What happened with that healthcare bill?

I think you should wait a bit... he hasn't even been in the office for a year guys...

Premature electuation is not a good thing

The health care bill is going down in a pretty big and grandiose fashion. After months of arguing, we are pretty much left with only the most basic of changes. My vote hinges on reform, and if I feel that they we just duping everyone with "political tactics", Wrex is pretty much done with trying to follow politics. Not that there is much to actually follow...

I dunno about the next election, and yes it is silly to say that Obama will not get re-elected at this point, but I do feel that the Dems are most definitely going to be slapped silly overall.

I would like to see him impeached ASAP. we need a real president to straighten out this mess the last one has left us in.

Ummm... impeached? Okay then... we have only one option... wait... NOOOOOOO!!! NOT JOE BIDEN!!! OMFG MY BRAIN!!! IT HUUUUURTS!!!

Afrikan Blonde wrote:I would like to see him impeached ASAP. we need a real president to straighten out this mess the last one has left us in.

What would a 'real' President have done differently over the course of the last few months?

Preemptively, you can't answer this question with any variation of:
1) Fix things.
2) Do things.
3) Stuff.

This reminds me of when we had a mature student from Chicago staying with us for a few months, at the time the American elections were in full swing and I recall him saying that he felt Obama simply didn't have the experience to carry out the job all that well. I have no doubt that he has a strong team of advisors who will stop him from fouling up too badly. However I am inclined to agree that he does come across a little naive.

I get the feeling that a lot of people are begining to think that he was the better of two poor candidates. regardless of if he wins another term or not, I am more inclined to think that he will go down in history as an underwhelming president rather than a particularly good or bad one.

My prediction is that unless the Republicans can find an exceptional candidate he will comfortably win another term.

I would not be surprised if he did win the next election, but he will most likely have very little influence left (i.e. "inspiration", or whatever Hot word strikes your fancy) and it will basically be much more of the same; which, to be clear, we really don't know what direction he is going to go with everything.

Rhetoric is nice and all, and Obama has been a pretty good talking head, but I really think that his "game" is to buy time, and to re-establish our nation as a go-fer internationally, rather than a rampaging jolly green giant high on gasoline. I am paying attention to what happens in Iraq (and Iran at this point... rather, what will happen TO Iran), and the health care reform, which is like watching a magnifying glass get closer and closer... until you realize that there was little to be hyperbolic about in the first place.

THAT IS NO MOUNTAIN!!! GODDAMIT!!! W.T.F.is.this...



I still think that Obama made a very crucial mistake when he brought no real guidelines with him (perhaps even his own bill), but being the deal-maker that he is, none of this is coming out of left-field for me. After the noise machines calm down a bit (as they are both doing right now), I would also not be surprised if the Dems pulled a pygmy-rabbit out of a hat.

Full-sized rabbits... well... that would both surprise and delight me.

squilverine wrote:My prediction is that unless the Republicans can find an exceptional candidate he will comfortably win another term.

IT'S SARAH PALIN TIME!!!

NO!.... no... no... no, no, no.

THIS... is Sarah Palin time...



What you are thinking of... is Sarah Palin Playboy... coming soon.

Frazzled wrote:OK everyone lets keep the ethnicity stuff out of it this time shall we?

I predict lots of giant rubber suited monster actioin in the next election. Godzilla for the 2012 Ticket!

Hell no, It's all about MechaGodzilla for 2012



In all seriousness, though, if Congress can stop beating each other up and enact one of his policies, then I say yes.

There is to many years and to many 'ticklish' political issues yet to arrive between then and now to really be able to say.

Lord-Loss wrote:BTW What happened with that healthcare bill?

Republicans said no, to the invincible super majority!

Afrikan Blonde wrote:I would like to see him impeached ASAP. we need a real president to straighten out this mess the last one has left us in.

Well maybe he'll get a BJ soon. Not much luck there though. His wife seems pretty awesome and he'll probably just start a war with Iran or some other country to grab a few votes. In before Presidents can't start wars, yes they can.

It's pretty rare for a president to lose reelection. The only times it's happened in the last 60 some years are:

Truman not running in '52, but he'd had almost two full terms anyway and an unpopular war.

Johnson not running in '68, he had almost two terms and an unpopular war.

Carter in 1976. He could run, didn't have a war, but the economy was awful and the Iranian embassy thing made him look very weak. CArter was a good guy, and tried, but he didn't have the proper skill set to be president.

Bush I in 1992. Two things here: one, the economy took a dive during the election, and 1988 was the first time one party kept the whitehouse more than eight years since FDR/Truman.

Absent a very dynamic candidate from the GOP (like a clinton or Reagan), or some sort of collapse, history is not kind to the likely republican challenger.

If you looked at clinton in late 93, or reagan in the early 80's, they looked really weak and vulnerable. Presidential elections for incumbents are "what have you done for me lately," while for challengers they're "Why are you better than this guy"

The Obama administration is bound to be planning some sort of flexible time-table for "Acts of good/ moar votes", probably setting it up so Obama can look better than the Reps, while maintaining some sort of "Well, I told you so" mentality when the gak hits the fan.

I have no doubts that the President placed way too many hopes in the people, especially when it comes to health care reform. People like to fight against stuff, it just seems to catch their fancy more often than defending and pushing back. As long as the economy can actually be stabilized, and set in the right direction (which in all honesty, is going to be a game of perception), mainly creating more jobs. The Green Industry seems pretty dead right now, but I would not be surprised if something jumpstarted that again. Biden has been pushing a bit, and Mrs. Obama likes to plant veggies everywhere, especially in your brain. They should just give her a sack of seeds, so she can sprinkle a bit of happiness and false-hope in the middle class.

The Sesame Street cracked me the feth up, especially with the talking veggies... I mean really? What happens when you eat them? Wait... don't tell me, I need to go and find out... .

Mebbe. Mebbe not. Tell ya later.

As long as they keep Palin out of it, the Republicans may have a chance.

GG

Lord-Loss wrote:BTW What happened with that healthcare bill?

In the battle between public popularity and lobbyist dollars, the lobbyist dollars are recording a sound win. This is in part due to the scare tactics cutting away some public support and making the opposition loud enough that it is perceived to be much bigger than it is. Mostly it’s because the Democrats contain a lot of bought and paid for politicians, but lack the in-party discipline of the Republicans.



Meanwhile, it’s hard to make a case that Obama has really delivered to date. Healthcare reform will be superficial at best, there have been no prosecutions over torture, still in Iraq, Afghanistan is the same, and the stimulus bill was compromised. Perhaps someone with more time inside the federal Democrats could have maintained stronger party discipline, but maybe not.

But the big issue is who the Republicans will run. While elections against incumbents are typically about the performance of the incumbent, you have to be able to put up someone with some positive features. People were ready to vote against Bush in 2004, but then the Democrats nominated Kerry…

People keep mentioning Palin, but no. Just no. She’s got undying support among a specific crowd, but that crowd is a subset of a subset of the Republican base, and I can’t see a woman who walked out in the middle of her first term as governor winning over much of the rest of the population. This is exactly the candidate Obama would want to run against.

People talked up Bobby Jindal, then he made his first national appearance and people stopped talking about him.

Powell was too tied up in the Bush administration. Obama had a lot of success in 2008 tying McCain to Bush, I can only think it’d be easier for Obama if he’s up against Powell. Also, he’s black.

Huckabee is a likeable guy, who could best sell the next version of compassionate conservatism, minimise his own platform and make it all about Obama. But I’m not sure if his race has been won and lost. By 2012 he will have been out of the game for a long time.

But the choice will probably come from among the mass of slightly famous governors, Crist, Pawlenty, someone like that. But people keep saying Crist is gay, and Pawlenty’s bridge fell down so they’re maybe out. Probably the biggest tick against Crist is that I think he looks pretty good, and the Republican base has a long history of really hating the people I like.

What are peoples feelings about the economy? The U.S. specifically of course, but worldwide most definitely matters.

Does anyone feel like Obama has had a significant impact on the economy? I feel that he has stemmed job-loss, at least for now, besides which little to nothing has actually been done to create more jobs. Sometimes I feel like the current administration is basically waiting for things to just get better on their own, while jumping in to take credit for considerable changes.

Sadly, neither MechaGodzilla nor Godzilla qualify to be president, since neither is native born.



The Toxic Avenger, however...

wingedskull wrote:
1. Can't stand the fact that the GOP lost the election, and by no small amount, meaning most of the country rejects their policies.

2. I also think there's a good chance that a good few of those who oppose Obama just don't like that there's a black dude sitting behind the desk in the Oval Office. I'm not saying everyone against him is a racist, but for sure that's a factor. Just like if a lot of those folks opposed to gay marriage came out of the closet we'd all be happier.

You forgot another group that's growing day by day, on both sides of the political spectrum, that voted for Obama and are now regreting that they did. I agree that it's way too early to be predicting the next election but, if Obama doesn't turn his falling poll numbers around, he will be a one term president.

Just out of interest, does the incumbent president have to wait for the full 4 year term to be up before calling the election ? As in if he/she is miles ahead in the polls and all is well in the country can they schedule the election after, say, 2 years if they so desire ?

reds8n wrote:Just out of interest, does the incumbent president have to wait for the full 4 year term to be up before calling the election ? As in if he/she is miles ahead in the polls and all is well in the country can they schedule the election after, say, 2 years if they so desire ?

Nope, have to wait the full 4 years. Well, the election machine kicking in actually is more like 3 years after swearing in. Fund raising starts before then. Really the president only gets a year before having to really worry about it. It seems to start sooner and sooner though and by 2020 election commercials for Primary candidates will begin two days after the inauguration.

Valhallan42nd wrote:Sadly, neither MechaGodzilla nor Godzilla qualify to be president, since neither is native born.



The Toxic Avenger, however...

Well since we're discussing native born sons. I'll be the first to nominate:


Reddy the election cycle has been expanding recently. Ahtmen's right. They really only have the first year. After that its positioning for Congress and long term positioning for President.

A serious canidate who can't spel.

He wouldn't be the first by a long shot. I think that harkens back to Jackson. After wiping out the British of course, he didn't need to spell, just wear that craptacular hat.