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JEB_Stuart wrote:Why would you associate Thomas Hobbes with American Liberalism?

Because Hobbes was a Liberal. THE Liberal, actually. His work essentially serves as the foundation of all American politics.

JEB_Stuart wrote:
After reading Leviathan, which is incredible btw, I thought he was in favor of a Christian monarchy above all else. Or am I missing your point on Hobbes?

I think you're missing Hobbes' point, but I digress.

JEB_Stuart wrote:
If by Hobbesian ideals you mean classical liberalism, then I don't think so. If I remember correctly Gallup defined "liberal" as stronger regulation on the economy by the government, and progressive on social issues. I will try to find the survey. After putting together a Wartrukk, a bunch of cursing, and several glasses of port and some scotch, things aren't as clear as they used to be

I don't mean anything in particular, at least not beyond obfuscation. The word 'liberal' simply is not useful in American politics. Most people don't know what it means, or how they relate to it, because there are simply too many emotional associations with respect to it.

Taking surveys on the leanings of the American populace is a waste of time. I've seen people say they were for greater government control of the economy, but against liberal thought.

Yeah, its that bad.

If Obama is re elected it will probably bring about the end of the world as predicted by the Mayans. He and I have something in common as he is referred to also as GBF.

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Trench-Raider wrote:

They just don't hand those things out like candy generalgrog

No.
But when they started handing them out to terrorists like Yassir Arafat and Nelson Mandella I lost all respect for the award.

thread win.