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Can't say that I am all that encouraged by this. It would be fantastic to see some form of public option IMHO, but that seems exceedingly unlikely.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/02/three-more-senators-join_n_482114.html

The public insurance option was revived by two House Democrats -- Chellie Pingree of Maine and Jared Polis of Colorado -- who sent a letter to Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) with 120 signatures, calling for the public option to be put back on the table. Polis's Colorado delegation colleague, freshman Democratic Sen. Michael Bennet, then took up the standard, asking senators to sign a letter calling for the same.

Meanwhile, back at headquarters, the economy is sliding into the second dip of the double dip recession...ITS THE ECONOMY STUPID.

Is this the healthcare again?

I thought Obama was having to make compromises to stop the Republicans from filibustering the bill into the long grass.

Last I remember, Nebraska got a windfall to buy their Senator's vote. Because you know, that's transparency in government. It's transparent that Nebraska gets a windfall at all the other states' expense.

dietrich wrote:Last I remember, Nebraska got a windfall to buy their Senator's vote. Because you know, that's transparency in government. It's transparent that Nebraska gets a windfall at all the other states' expense.

Wasn't that windfall related to the fact that Nebraska's healthcare system, as it is now, trailing far behind the other states?

no.

Kanluwen wrote:
Wasn't that windfall related to the fact that Nebraska's healthcare system, as it is now, trailing far behind the other states?

That was one element of the offered justification.

From December 22, 2009: http://www.nowpublic.com/world/sen-ben-nelson-supports-health-care-bill-after-nebraska-deal-2543190.html

Nebraska Senator Ben Nelson has finally ensured his support for the health care bill, but not gratuitously. Instead, Nelson's support came in exchange for a Medicaid deal for the state of Nebraska. But, not everyone in Nebraska is happy about the special deal.

Nelson was the last Democratic holdout, but changed his mind over the weekend. On Sen. Ben Nelson's website, a statement appeared dating to December 19 saying, "Nelson to support health care bill: Delay would hurt Nebraska families, workers and employers." The statement said that the health care reform bill will reduce the cost, expand access, and improve health care for all Nebraskans.

What did Nelson ask in return? The federal government agreed to cover 100% of Nebraska's health care bill for an indefinite amount of time. The deal was called an act of "bribery" by the Republicans, who said there should be no special deals for any parties involved in the bill.

Frazzled wrote:Meanwhile, back at headquarters, the economy is sliding into the second dip of the double dip recession...ITS THE ECONOMY STUPID.

QFT!!

One point for the Weiner Dog Party!!


GG

dietrich wrote:From December 22, 2009: http://www.nowpublic.com/world/sen-ben-nelson-supports-health-care-bill-after-nebraska-deal-2543190.html

Nebraska Senator Ben Nelson has finally ensured his support for the health care bill, but not gratuitously. Instead, Nelson's support came in exchange for a Medicaid deal for the state of Nebraska. But, not everyone in Nebraska is happy about the special deal.

Nelson was the last Democratic holdout, but changed his mind over the weekend. On Sen. Ben Nelson's website, a statement appeared dating to December 19 saying, "Nelson to support health care bill: Delay would hurt Nebraska families, workers and employers." The statement said that the health care reform bill will reduce the cost, expand access, and improve health care for all Nebraskans.

What did Nelson ask in return? The federal government agreed to cover 100% of Nebraska's health care bill for an indefinite amount of time. The deal was called an act of "bribery" by the Republicans, who said there should be no special deals for any parties involved in the bill.

Don't get me wrong. The vote was purchased in the way that such votes often are. That doesn't change the fact that those who supported the move offered the poor condition of Nebraska's health care system (whether that qualifier is founded or not) as a justification for the move.

Frazzled wrote:Meanwhile, back at headquarters, the economy is sliding into the second dip of the double dip recession...ITS THE ECONOMY STUPID.

What the feth is he supposed to do about that.


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generalgrog wrote:

Frazzled wrote:Meanwhile, back at headquarters, the economy is sliding into the second dip of the double dip recession...ITS THE ECONOMY STUPID.

QFT!!

One point for the Weiner Dog Party!!


GG

Health care is the economy. within 20 years it will bankrupt the nation. Typical America is too fething stupid to look past tomorrow.

Now now, be fair. Typical of people in general not to look beyond tomorrow.

Spoken like someone who doesn't actually...work.

Frazzled wrote:Spoken like someone who doesn't actually...work.

I've had jobs since I was 15. I have one now. Since we've established that I have a job how about you actually suggest something other than "Fix the economy!". Oh wait, you can't. You don't and never really know what you're talking about. But I'm sure it makes you awful mad.

ShumaGorath wrote:

Health care is the economy. within 20 years it will bankrupt the nation. Typical America is too fething stupid to look past tomorrow.

Actually some people believe that the Industrial Military Complex is the economy. Anywhoo we need to fix our problems now before we can fix Health Care. Which I am on record for supporting a NHS for the U.S.

GG

Part time jobs don't count.

ShumaGorath wrote:Health care is the economy. within 20 years it will bankrupt the nation. Typical America is too fething stupid to look past tomorrow.

We've been bankrupting ourselves for 30 years. It's not just health care.

ShumaGorath wrote:

Frazzled wrote:Spoken like someone who doesn't actually...work.

I've had jobs since I was 15....

Wait a minute.... how old is Shuma?

GG

18?

Frazzled wrote:Part time jobs don't count.

Ok, strike out the movie gallery job a few years back. Not really too big of an impact on my work history. I come from a lower class household and lived in a trailer park for 12 years. My family never had the luxury of not working.


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Frazzled wrote:18?

23.

Still in school correct Shuma?

EDIT: 23? You're just a baby! Come here and let me pinch your cheeks. Gak I feel old now. Better ban someone to feel better. Be back.

dietrich wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:Health care is the economy. within 20 years it will bankrupt the nation. Typical America is too fething stupid to look past tomorrow.

We've been bankrupting ourselves for 30 years. It's not just health care.

Well reorganizing our entire economic infrastructure and abandoning the concept of an industrial economy is something most Americans have a far weaker idea of how to do.


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Frazzled wrote:Still in school correct Shuma?

Moving on to my second degree. Graduated from the first school when I was 20 and took a year off to work. Had a full time job in high school and had one at my first college. I currently work about 20 hours a week and that will ramp up to ~50 this summer.

What (grad?) degree are you going for Shuma?

ShumaGorath wrote:Health care is the economy. within 20 years it will bankrupt the nation. Typical America is too fething stupid to look past tomorrow.

Now I'm not an expert or anything so bear with me here, I think I have a wild idea. Maybe, to help with this economy issue we should like produce products and build stuff and then sell it to other countries. You know, make and export goods, and make things easier for American businesses, like lowering their taxes. Nah, thats just too wild. Your right shuma, we should instead raise taxes and give every body healthcare, so junkies can get those nasty absesses takin care of, and if we put a bunch of money into healthcare we'll have more doctors and stuff right? That'll fix it.

Frazzled wrote:What (grad?) degree are you going for Shuma?

It's a different degree, not a grad. I'll fish around for a grad degree if I can't get good employment (60k+) out of my current degree. Right now I'm attending for New Media, it's an omni major but I'm focusing on graphic design and special effects. My first degree was an AS in applied graphic design (websites, print design, magazine layout, etc). If I go for a grad degree I'll probably attempt to get a prospective company to pay for it. Most of my knowledge of economics and politics comes from a simple obsessive interest (I also follow tech and videogame news like it's some sort of job). There was a time when I wanted to work in tech news, and it's still something I have to follow up on. I would also not mind working in a campaign for someone and getting my political feet wet.

Ideally I'll end up owning an effects studio, though I would be happy to work a similar job. Being one of the guys doing doing the effects work for the colbert report or being an effects guy for bad robot or something would be keen.


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ShumaGorath wrote:Health care is the economy. within 20 years it will bankrupt the nation. Typical America is too fething stupid to look past tomorrow.

Now I'm not an expert or anything so bear with me here, I think I have a wild idea. Maybe, to help with this economy issue we should like produce products and build stuff and then sell it to other countries. You know, make and export goods, and make things easier for American businesses, like lowering their taxes. Nah, thats just too wild. Your right shuma, we should instead raise taxes and give every body healthcare, so junkies can get those nasty absesses takin care of, and if we put a bunch of money into healthcare we'll have more doctors and stuff right? That'll fix it.

They pay indonesian workers a dollar a week.

YOU CAN'T LOWER TAXES THAT fething MUCH THE FACTORIES AREN'T COMING BACK.

Bag up the junkies and sell them abroard.
And if you had decent healthcare your avatars bandages might look better lol

Shuma's right (and now I feel dirty), many manufacturing jobs like that aren't coming back, not unless we institute some truly draconian trade protections and pretty much end our presence in the world economy.

Tyyr wrote:Shuma's right (and now I feel dirty), many manufacturing jobs like that aren't coming back, not unless we institute some truly draconian trade protections and pretty much end our presence in the world economy.

Here is my question on the matter, it's always been cheaper to have 3rd world countries fab your stuff. But why is it only in the last 20 years or so that it has blown up? And I'm not talking about software and IT/helpline stuff that's obviously because of the upgraded telecommunications and internet. But I'm talking about classic manufacturing like wood working, textiles, basic electronics.

Something has changed....


GG

Shipping costs have dropped. Countries like China have instituted enough quality control measures that their stuff passes at least a minimum muster. People just don't care where their stuff was made, only how much it costs.

Tyyr wrote:Shuma's right (and now I feel dirty), many manufacturing jobs like that aren't coming back, not unless we institute some truly draconian trade protections and pretty much end our presence in the world economy.

You should feel dirty, (but not as dirty as agreeing with dogma, I gotta shower after that happens and it has happened). I for one am all for draconian trade protections against countries like china for example. I feel we need some Hugh Jass tariffs. Although I was being really sarcastic in my earlier post and a bit douchy towards shuma, (sorry shuma, you bring that out in me), I think its incredibly silly to make a claim like: "healthcare is our economy".