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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/19 12:52:46
Subject: We're invading Spain!
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Fixture of Dakka
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Ok, not really, but we are sending a load of Naval vessels (well, three) over there to retrieve UK passengers who are being flown to Spain from various destinations because that's one of the few places in Europe you can land at the moment.
Guardian wrote:Three Royal Navy ships are on their way to help repatriate up to 200,000 Britons stranded by five days of flight restrictions following the Icelandic volcano eruption.
The aircraft carrier Ark Royal and the assault ships Ocean and Albion have been deployed to help increase cross-Channel options as the no-flight ban across Britain was extended until 1am tomorrow.
Extra capacity is being provided on coaches, ferries and Eurostar and Eurotunnel trains.
Gordon Brown said agreement could be reached within hours for Spain to act as a hub for travellers trying to get home from Africa, Asia and northern and southern Africa. Madrid and other airports are expected to be used.
Speaking after a meeting of the UK emergency committee Cobra in Downing Street, the prime minister said safety remained "of paramount concern".
He said ministers would look at financial help for airlines and associated companies hit by the flight restrictions placed across much of Europe.
"We are very conscious this is unexpected and unique," said Brown, who praised the "spirit and resilience( of the British people".
"I believe this is one of the most serious transport disruptions we have faced. It's got financial consequences as well as human consequences and we will do everything in our power to make sure all the arrangements are in place to help people where possible to get back home."
The disruption was "a European-wide problem" that would need a European-wide solution, Brown said, and money from the European solidarity fund could hopefully be used to help travellers and airlines.
British Airways has said the disruption is costing the company up to £20m a day, while TUI Travel, the company behind Thomson and First Choice, said it was losing up to £6m daily. Ocean, a 20,000-tonne assault vessel and helicopter carrier, has been sent up the Channel from Devonport. Albion is on the way to Santander, Spain, to pick up troops returning from Afghanistan via Cyprus and is expected to help civilians too. Ark Royal, whose own Harrier jets have been hit by flight restrictions, has been sent south from the north of Scotland.
The Foreign Office has said it will not discuss about Spain's role until decisions have been made and plans put in place.
UK air traffic controllers this morning dashed any hopes of aircraft finding a window today in the volcanic ash cloud drifting from Iceland. The international airlines body Iata described the European response to the emergency as an "embarrassment and mess".
A number of airlines, including British Airways, ran test flights without passengers in Europe over the weekend, with more planned today. They have reported no "irregularities".
Lord Adonis, the transport secretary, said the rule that planes could not fly through ash was under review.
"The problem we face is that this is a highly dynamic situation and we have to assess the forecasts there are, " he told BBC Radio 4's Today programme. "The current rule we have, which flows from the manufacturers' own guidance, is any ash, don't fly."
Asked if the rule could be amended, he said: "It is possible, but this depends upon discussions which are currently taking place as we speak. This depends on discussions with manufacturers."
Adonis's colleagues said he was in "hourly contact" with airlines and in regular touch with European counterparts who would hold a videoconference today to review data from the test flights.
"There is a proper risk and safety regime," he said. "The issue is whether it is appropriate in current circumstances in the light of the findings of the test flights and the observational data."
He stressed that for those stranded abroad, European Union airlines were responsible for providing food and accommodation.
The Conservative leader, David Cameron, said: "I think it is right to get the Royal Navy involved. Theresa Villiers, my transport spokeswoman, suggested it and I am delighted the government have taken up the suggestion.
"The pre-eminent thing is passenger safety and I think they are right to carry out test flights and to be very careful before lifting the embargo on planes being able to fly. This is obviously a very difficult time, huge disruption for families, many people with children who need to get back to schools, families desperate to get home."
Iata's director general, Giovanni Bisignani, said in an official statement: "We are far enough into this crisis to express our dissatisfaction on how governments have managed it – with no risk assessment, no consultation, no co-ordination and no leadership. This crisis is costing airlines at least $200m a day in lost revenues and the European economy is suffering billions of dollars in lost business.
"In the face of such dire economic consequences it is incredible that Europe's transport ministers have taken five days to organise a teleconference."
Iata criticised the fact that airspace was being closed based on theoretical modelling of the ash cloud. "This means that governments have not taken their responsibility to make clear decisions based on facts," Bisignani said. "Instead it has been the air navigation service providers who announced that they would not provide service. And these decisions have been taken without adequately consulting the airlines. This is not an acceptable system particularly when the consequences for safety and the economy are so large."
Bisignani said airlines would not fly if it was unsafe but they had reported missed opportunities to fly safely. "The European system results in blanket closures of airspace. I challenge governments to agree on ways to flexibly reopen airspace. Risk assessments should be able to help us reopen certain corridors, if not entire airspaces."
The UK National Air Traffic Service (Nats) has extended the no-flight ban across Britain until at least 1am tomorrow, saying the movement of the ash cloud remains "dynamic".
Eurocontrol, the intergovernmental air safety body covering 38 European countries, said it expected up to 9,000 flights to take place today instead of the 28,000 on a normal Monday. However, the number flying includes countries as far east as Turkey and Armenia that are well outside the ash cloud's reach
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/19 13:01:18
Subject: We're invading Spain!
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Mysterious Techpriest
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I wanna shot on an aircraf carrier, not fair
though it's a good idea I didn't think our government had that sort of inteligence in them. but its only until tommorow morning they could of left it and bumped up the number of flights on tuesday/wednesday
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/19 13:01:34
Subject: We're invading Spain!
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Death-Dealing Dark Angels Devastator
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Thats epic I wondered why we didnt use the sea jesus we cant fly and we sit there slack jawed.
"Erm...Erm no aweropwanes what are we gonna do" lol
but yea roll on the sea journeys.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/19 13:02:07
Subject: Re:We're invading Spain!
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Fixture of Dakka
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It's a pity we're only sending three. It would be hilarious if we didn't actually tell spain and they woke up to this tomorrow morning...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/19 13:04:28
Subject: Re:We're invading Spain!
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Mysterious Techpriest
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Flashman wrote:It's a pity we're only sending three. It would be hilarious if we didn't actually tell spain and they woke up to this tomorrow morning...
that would be awesome
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/19 13:11:16
Subject: We're invading Spain!
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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You will need a really big banner that says
"Armada II, this time its Our Turn!"
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/19 13:29:53
Subject: We're invading Spain!
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Wrathful Warlord Titan Commander
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The funny thing about this great Government plan is that it will take about 36 hrs to get them there and then it will probably be over by then. It must be great for Gordon to be so action-packed during the run up to an Election. Having said that it would be great to travel back on one of the RN ships, I bags the 6" gun! Take that Costa Del Sol! Pew, pew, pew!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/19 13:46:16
Subject: We're invading Spain!
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Boosting Black Templar Biker
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Why the hell are 200,000 Britons stuck in Spain? What are they doing there? 200,000 is a gak ton of people.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/19 13:56:44
Subject: We're invading Spain!
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Fixture of Dakka
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Marshal2Crusaders wrote:Why the hell are 200,000 Britons stuck in Spain? What are they doing there? 200,000 is a gak ton of people.
Let me sum up...
Volcano in Iceland has erupted clogging European airspace with ash (disappointingly invisible) which means planes can't fly. This has been going on for five days and people are starting to get hacked off of being stuck in airports all over the world. They are all voters and we have an election coming up, so the big plan is to fly them all to Spain (whose airspace is not affected by the ash cloud) and then ship them over using the Navy.
They will then think Gordon is a clever chap and vote for him in the election. Probably...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/19 14:21:14
Subject: We're invading Spain!
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Avatar of the Bloody-Handed God
Inside your mind, corrupting the pathways
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.. despite the fact that the plan was apparently proposed by the Tories according to the article quoted at the top of this page
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/19 14:25:57
Subject: We're invading Spain!
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Fixture of Dakka
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SilverMK2 wrote:.. despite the fact that the plan was apparently proposed by the Tories according to the article quoted at the top of this page 
Well they would say that
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/19 14:30:10
Subject: We're invading Spain!
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Avatar of the Bloody-Handed God
Inside your mind, corrupting the pathways
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Very true
I'm with Armada II: Ash in the air (from burning Spanish fishing boats rather than volcanic activity  ). Would love to see the sun rise on a sea full of Navy ships anchored off the coast of spain, ready to shell the hell out of it
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/19 14:36:27
Subject: We're invading Spain!
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Think about the Americans stranded there, especially right wing nutjobs who went on vacation there and are now stuck with socialized medicine in case they get sick/lose a leg.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/19 14:46:46
Subject: We're invading Spain!
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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No they've already flown out. Its the liberals who don't get that they can still fly out.
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/19 15:11:35
Subject: We're invading Spain!
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Lady of the Lake
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They need to be wearing the red coats though, for the added nostalgia points.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/19 15:13:01
Subject: We're invading Spain!
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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n0t_u wrote:They need to be wearing the red coats though, for the added nostalgia points. 
You are the Kirk of this thread.
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/19 15:19:10
Subject: Re:We're invading Spain!
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Martial Arts SAS
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Just you try. Look the size of the shurikens we use:
We don't need nukes to purge Gibraltar!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/19 15:59:41
Subject: We're invading Spain!
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Fixture of Dakka
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Gah! Manhole cover shurikens! Back to the boats, lads!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/19 16:08:59
Subject: Re:We're invading Spain!
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Wrathful Warlord Titan Commander
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How did they find our one weakness?
I smell Yanky medlin'!
Run away!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/19 16:10:46
Subject: We're invading Spain!
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Lone Wolf Sentinel Pilot
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Get the 7 killstreaks on lads.
sA
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My Loyalist P&M Log, Irkutsk 24th
"And what is wrong with their life? What on earth is less reprehensible than the life of the Levovs?"
- American Pastoral, Philip Roth
Oh, Death was never enemy of ours!
We laughed at him, we leagued with him, old chum.
No soldier's paid to kick against His powers.
We laughed - knowing that better men would come,
And greater wars: when each proud fighter brags
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/19 17:10:06
Subject: We're invading Spain!
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Martial Arts SAS
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One step further more, and we will emtpy all the litronas in the Mediterranean. No beer in Spain when you arrive!!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/19 17:39:16
Subject: We're invading Spain!
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Avatar of the Bloody-Handed God
Inside your mind, corrupting the pathways
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Don't worry, the Navy carry enough rum aboard to quite literally keep the fleet afloat
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/19 18:04:49
Subject: We're invading Spain!
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Martial Arts SAS
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Hurrrr Corsairs!
May the monkeys from Gibraltar steal all your bottles!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/19 18:11:27
Subject: Re:We're invading Spain!
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Ancient Ultramarine Venerable Dreadnought
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Flashman wrote:It's a pity we're only sending three. It would be hilarious if we didn't actually tell spain and they woke up to this tomorrow morning...
Have you seen what NU Labour have done to our military? They would more likely wake up to this...
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We are arming Syrian rebels who support ISIS, who is fighting Iran, who is fighting Iraq who we also support against ISIS, while fighting Kurds who we support while they are fighting Syrian rebels. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/19 18:57:50
Subject: We're invading Spain!
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Hanging Out with Russ until Wolftime
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Frazzled wrote:You will need a really big banner that says
"Armada II, this time its Our Turn!"

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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/19 19:12:05
Subject: Re:We're invading Spain!
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Mutilatin' Mad Dok
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Looks like those dastardly Spanish are ready for us
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/19 19:17:30
Subject: Re:We're invading Spain!
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Oberfeldwebel
Palma de Mallorca, Spain
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We're ALWAYS ready
anyway, if Spain still giving that gak of bucks for army, sooner or later that's what you will see  a raft with a gun
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Cataphracts.... need to recalculate points....
Iron warriors waiting for more bucks with a better job
4th Panzerdivision Ost waiting for orders Reichmarschall!!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/19 20:21:58
Subject: We're invading Spain!
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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This thread gets an official:
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/19 20:28:37
Subject: Re:We're invading Spain!
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Oberfeldwebel
Palma de Mallorca, Spain
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2000 foot sloging IG
Cataphracts.... need to recalculate points....
Iron warriors waiting for more bucks with a better job
4th Panzerdivision Ost waiting for orders Reichmarschall!!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/19 21:22:30
Subject: We're invading Spain!
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Martial Arts SAS
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The smoke was a maneuver of our Prez to increase tourism in economic crisis time.
HAHA you lose.
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