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2010/06/28 23:42:51
Subject: Deepstriking with Terminators
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Storm Trooper with Maglight
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As terminators can deepstrike what would happen if I put a character, like a Captain, who was not in terminator armour into the unit. Would this stop the terminators being able to deepstrike?
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2010/06/28 23:58:03
Subject: Deepstriking with Terminators
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Boosting Space Marine Biker
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I hope it means they can still deep strike lol also the captain is Vulcan He'stan of the Salamanders chapter.
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2010/06/29 00:01:52
Subject: Deepstriking with Terminators
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Let's say that you take nine terminators and attach a regular captain in powered armor without jump pack. That gives you a unit with nine models with Deep Strike and one model without Deep Strike.
Does that sound like a unit that can deep strike? If you try to deep strike with that unit, it fails because the one model can not enter play using deep strike, so the unit is stuck and won't be able to leave reserves.
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2010/06/29 00:03:24
Subject: Deepstriking with Terminators
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Boosting Space Marine Biker
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2010/06/29 00:04:14
Subject: Deepstriking with Terminators
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Thanks for the quick answer.
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2010/06/29 00:07:04
Subject: Deepstriking with Terminators
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solkan wrote:Let's say that you take nine terminators and attach a regular captain in powered armor without jump pack. That gives you a unit with nine models with Deep Strike and one model without Deep Strike.
I have a related question. Let's say you did give the captain a JP, would the unit still be able to benefit from a teleport homer?
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2010/06/29 00:19:44
Subject: Deepstriking with Terminators
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The Hammer of Witches
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Lord Bingo wrote:Would this stop the terminators being able to deepstrike?
Naturally. How would you expect a model to use a special rule it doesn't have?
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2010/06/29 00:29:01
Subject: Deepstriking with Terminators
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Bookwrack wrote:Lord Bingo wrote:Would this stop the terminators being able to deepstrike?
Naturally. How would you expect a model to use a special rule it doesn't have?
You can attach an IC to a squad of Nobz and that IC benifits from FNP......how is this any different?
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2010/06/29 00:32:44
Subject: Deepstriking with Terminators
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The Hammer of Witches
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Because in your example, there's a model that specifically gives FNP to the entire unit.
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2010/06/29 00:35:05
Subject: Deepstriking with Terminators
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Bookwrack wrote:Lord Bingo wrote:Would this stop the terminators being able to deepstrike?
Naturally. How would you expect a model to use a special rule it doesn't have?
Ok, Kommandos + non-infiltrating IC.
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2010/06/29 00:51:30
Subject: Deepstriking with Terminators
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The Hammer of Witches
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Can't infiltrate. Exactly what point are you trying to make?
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2010/06/29 01:00:10
Subject: Deepstriking with Terminators
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Resentful Grot With a Plan
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Not trying to prove a point. Im trying to futher understand this.
How exactly can Ghazgull infiltrate with Kommandos+Snikrot?
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2010/06/29 01:09:18
Subject: Deepstriking with Terminators
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Globzog wrote:Not trying to prove a point. Im trying to futher understand this.
How exactly can Ghazgull infiltrate with Kommandos+Snikrot?
Because the rules work entirely differently and come from completely different sources and apply in different ways? Also they can't, you're thinking of Ambush. What exactly is confusing you? Do you have access to the Ambush rule and the BRB?
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2010/06/29 01:10:45
Subject: Deepstriking with Terminators
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But they can "Ambush" I think that's what he was trying to do there?
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2010/06/29 01:11:23
Subject: Deepstriking with Terminators
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Well, I don't think you'd want to put them together at the start of the battle anyway. You don't have to,you can just deep strike the termies right next to the captain.
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2010/06/29 01:15:31
Subject: Deepstriking with Terminators
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The Hammer of Witches
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And again, if it works it's because of a specific special rule granted to the entire unit. In this case, IIRC, Ambush applies to 'Snikrot and his unit.'
Terminators can deep strike because that ability is specifically granted by the equipment they have. Stick a character in there that doesn't have that equipment, and they're not deepstriking.
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2010/06/29 01:41:42
Subject: Deepstriking with Terminators
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Long-Range Ultramarine Land Speeder Pilot
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Hmm... actually that's a good question... could a character with a jump pack (thus gaining DS) deep strike together with a terminator squad who also arrives via deep strike but from a different source?
Technically all models would have DS, though it wouldn't make any fluff sense...
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2010/06/29 01:49:59
Subject: Deepstriking with Terminators
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Napoleonics Obsesser
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I don't think he could. Their not even the same type of deepstriking. Terminators warp, while Raptors,er..assault marines jump out of planes.
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2010/06/29 01:52:00
Subject: Deepstriking with Terminators
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Kolath wrote:Hmm... actually that's a good question... could a character with a jump pack (thus gaining DS) deep strike together with a terminator squad who also arrives via deep strike but from a different source?
Yes. The Deep Strike rules make no distinction for what method of descent the models are using.
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2010/06/29 01:53:59
Subject: Deepstriking with Terminators
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Incorporating Wet-Blending
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And again I ask:
Lordhat wrote:solkan wrote:Let's say that you take nine terminators and attach a regular captain in powered armor without jump pack. That gives you a unit with nine models with Deep Strike and one model without Deep Strike.
I have a related question. Let's say you did give the captain a JP, would the unit still be able to benefit from a teleport homer?
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Mannahnin wrote:A lot of folks online (and in emails in other parts of life) use pretty mangled English. The idea is that it takes extra effort and time to write properly, and they’d rather save the time. If you can still be understood, what’s the harm? While most of the time a sloppy post CAN be understood, the use of proper grammar, punctuation, and spelling is generally seen as respectable and desirable on most forums. It demonstrates an effort made to be understood, and to make your post an easy and pleasant read. By making this effort, you can often elicit more positive responses from the community, and instantly mark yourself as someone worth talking to.
insaniak wrote: Every time someone threatens violence over the internet as a result of someone's hypothetical actions at the gaming table, the earth shakes infinitisemally in its orbit as millions of eyeballs behind millions of monitors all roll simultaneously.
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2010/06/29 01:59:27
Subject: Deepstriking with Terminators
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I wouldn't think so. It only lists an affect specifically for Terminators. if the unit is not entirely made up of Terminators, it's not a unit of Terminators.
It also specifically disallows squads with jump packs from using it.
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2010/06/29 02:10:54
Subject: Re:Deepstriking with Terminators
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Tough-as-Nails Ork Boy
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If you read the description of terminator armor it says that it grants the deepstrike special rule to its user, not the squad. unless the captain has terminator armor (or any other means of DS) than he cant DS with the unit).
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2010/06/29 02:16:15
Subject: Deepstriking with Terminators
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Incorporating Wet-Blending
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insaniak wrote:I wouldn't think so. It only lists an affect specifically for Terminators. if the unit is not entirely made up of Terminators, it's not a unit of Terminators.
It also specifically disallows squads with jump packs from using it.
That's about what I got from reading it as well. Was just making sure there wasn't something I missed.
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Mannahnin wrote:A lot of folks online (and in emails in other parts of life) use pretty mangled English. The idea is that it takes extra effort and time to write properly, and they’d rather save the time. If you can still be understood, what’s the harm? While most of the time a sloppy post CAN be understood, the use of proper grammar, punctuation, and spelling is generally seen as respectable and desirable on most forums. It demonstrates an effort made to be understood, and to make your post an easy and pleasant read. By making this effort, you can often elicit more positive responses from the community, and instantly mark yourself as someone worth talking to.
insaniak wrote: Every time someone threatens violence over the internet as a result of someone's hypothetical actions at the gaming table, the earth shakes infinitisemally in its orbit as millions of eyeballs behind millions of monitors all roll simultaneously.
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2010/06/29 02:16:59
Subject: Deepstriking with Terminators
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As for a fluff reason, you could model a captain with a special backpack and call it a teleporter but use the JP rules. Chapters such as the Blood Ravens are known to use personal teleporters.
But it still could not use the teleport homer.
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Jidmah wrote:That's why I keep my enemies close and my AOBR rulebook closer.
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2010/06/29 10:10:34
Subject: Deepstriking with Terminators
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Eternally-Stimulated Slaanesh Dreadnought
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Get yourself a land raider and you don't have to worry about deep strike.
Besides are you taking assault terminators or tactical terminators?
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2010/06/29 10:14:10
Subject: Deepstriking with Terminators
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Corennus wrote:Get yourself a land raider and you don't have to worry about deep strike.
The Blood Angels would like to have a word with you... 
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2010/06/29 10:17:20
Subject: Deepstriking with Terminators
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Servoarm Flailing Magos
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SalamanderMarine wrote:I hope it means they can still deep strike lol also the captain is Vulcan He'stan of the Salamanders chapter.
Vulkan He'stan is not a captain...
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2010/06/29 10:44:29
Subject: Deepstriking with Terminators
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Blood-Raging Khorne Berserker
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So to clarify
If I deepstrike a captain joined to a unit of terminators next to a homer does the captain scatter but not the terminators (possibly ending up out of coherency) or does the jump pack mean the termies don't get to use the homer?
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2010/06/29 11:01:50
Subject: Deepstriking with Terminators
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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If they are a single unit, then you CANNOT use the TH as you are no longer a "unit of terminators", you are a "unit of terminators with an attached IC"
If they are seperate then the IC will scatter, the terminarors will not.
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2010/06/29 13:27:34
Subject: Deepstriking with Terminators
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If you use locater beacons then neither will scatter.
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Jidmah wrote:That's why I keep my enemies close and my AOBR rulebook closer.
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