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I was looking at the Hordes catalogue and was interested in the entire range of miniatures.

What faction should I start? In terms of the best fluff and also tabletop prowess. Personal opinions are more than welcome

start all, as normal advise would be get the faction you like most...

can't help with more then that I'm afraid...

Haha thats fair enough. I like the look of Skorne I think it is, can you provide any info on them? Like if there actually good or not? Lol.

no real experience with skorne.

try this place:
http://battlecollege.wikispaces.com/

It has a lot of info on all of the units and stuff.

I do know they are good though, as they won a league that determined the order the books for hordes would be published.

Lol... Is that how PP decided things? ...I like it!

Technically it was both. Of course, it didn't work too well for Hordes considering all the factions but Skorne didn't own a single territory by the end of Rampage. Then again, I'm a Skorne player at heart, so I guess it did work out well. ^.^

Laughing Man, are skorne as awesome as they look? Lol coz I was really into the miniatures when i saw them.




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It's either them or the Legion of Everblight.

Skorne are indeed as awesome as they look. And what looks more awesome than Japanese Roman BDSM ancestor worshippers? Nothing, that's what.

More seriously, they're probably one of the most competitive factions in Hordes at the moment. They retained a lot of their power from Mk I, along with a host of new tricks. They're also probably the most disciplined-feeling faction, benefitting a lot from orderly formations and proper leadership (namely, a crapton of shield wall infantry and the Tyrant+Standard Bearer).

That, and I get to troll the PETA dudes on the Big Boards with my Agonizer conversions. I don't get what they dislike about torturing baby elephants, but hey, whatchagonnado?

Lol that does a lot to help cept I'm really new so some of that stuff made absolutely no sense to me lol.
I'm a WHFB player at heart, so this is all new to me lol.

Yeah I'm tossing up between Skorne and the Legion of Everblight. I think what sells Skorne to me is their starter pack thingo. Looks the coolest lol.

you should get both skorne and everblight that's what i do and it still doesn't cost anywhere near as much to build a large force in WHFB.

You can't use them both in the same army though can you?
Yeah but I do love the new High Elves coming out.. Lol.

Temptation...always there, always will be.

Lol yeah but the problem is, this temptation for both Skorne and High Elves will overcome my self constraint haha. Looking at an empty wallet for a few months at least :| lol.



Also should I buy the battegroup box set or should I wait for the plastic ones?

Plastic Battleboxes for Hordes are not confirmed. So unless you want to wait 6 months, I wouldn't.

Plus they have said they do not want to do plastic beasts.

Ah ok then, fair enough. I might have to order in this Skorne battlebox and see if I like the whole gaming system.

Are the rules easy to follow?

kastellan wrote:Haha thats fair enough. I like the look of Skorne I think it is, can you provide any info on them? Like if there actually good or not? Lol.

This isn't warhammer, everyone is good

Just go for looks, then research playstyle, if you get a combination of looks and playstyle you like, tada, you found your army. That's how I ended up with Legion

And the rules were very kind to me, I wasn't much of a wargamer ( I have 2k ogres and 1k 40k orks but I never really played them much, and I still don't really grasp those rules that much). A lot of stuff in Warmahordes just makes sense, big stuff runs over little stuff, big stuff can throw other stuff, armor blocks damage, it doesn't dodge it, things function worse when they sustain damage and the list go's on and on.

Thanks heaps soladrin, that does help a lot

I love how everyone is bad mouthing warhammer haha, I still am a warhammer man at heart, Hordes will be just something I do on the side to keep me occupied until the new stuff comes out for Warhammer. And also a lot of people at my local gaming store have started, so I'll have plenty of people to battle

WFB is really a totally different game to WM/Hordes whereas 40k is a direct competitor theoretically due to the strong skirmish element. It is interesting that WFB has a much greater errata list than WM/Hordes after only being out for a few weeks although at last GW is taking the game rules issues more seriously.

As to which to select in Hordes, it really is up to the player as all factions are fairly competitive. There are always minions to add in for flavor. Pluse what is not to like about Lord Carver?

As to cost, when you get in to WM/Hordes in a serious way, it is just as expensive as GW. I have a very extensive Cryx army and I definitely have spent more on that then my extensive Tau army. I am now collecting Everblight as I want to play a Hordes army and I like dragons and Everblight is very Warbeast heavy. I will say that there are more impressive models for your army but there is little plastic.

The biggest advantage in WM/Hordes is that any army you choose will get some support from PP over the year. When did the Dark Eldar get any support? Even Tyranids had to wait ages for a very much needed FAQ and no sign of very much needed models. My Tau are still needing some upgrade but so far zero! Unless you collect SM, Orks or IG, there is no consistent support.

I was thinking of collecting Dark Elves for WFB but they receive no on going support from GW so I am thinking of Flames of War instead. One thing GW do do is make a very attractive range of plastic models. If I was into the modelling side alone, I think I would have far more.

kastellan wrote:Thanks heaps soladrin, that does help a lot

I love how everyone is bad mouthing warhammer haha, I still am a warhammer man at heart, Hordes will be just something I do on the side to keep me occupied until the new stuff comes out for Warhammer. And also a lot of people at my local gaming store have started, so I'll have plenty of people to battle

That's how we all started

Soladrin wrote:

kastellan wrote:Thanks heaps soladrin, that does help a lot

I love how everyone is bad mouthing warhammer haha, I still am a warhammer man at heart, Hordes will be just something I do on the side to keep me occupied until the new stuff comes out for Warhammer. And also a lot of people at my local gaming store have started, so I'll have plenty of people to battle

That's how we all started

Haha this is the truth right here.

But keep telling yourself it's just a side project, we shall see...

horsa wrote:As to cost, when you get in to WM/Hordes in a serious way, it is just as expensive as GW. I have a very extensive Cryx army and I definitely have spent more on that then my extensive Tau army. I am now collecting Everblight as I want to play a Hordes army and I like dragons and Everblight is very Warbeast heavy. I will say that there are more impressive models for your army but there is little plastic.

I honestly can't reconcile what you're saying about cost--either that or your Cryx army is far more extensive than your Tau. If average game size for WM is 35-50 points, then a $40 metal warjack is going to be about 1/6 of the army, or an entire army can be built for around $240. Obviously that's a 'rule of thumb' since there's variation in both composition and cost, but I'd say it's in the ballpark for what I built my Khador army for. 40k by contrast, especially after the last price hike, is a lot worse. Even for a middle-of-the-road cost army like mech blood angels... 1 tank for ~150 points is $55. If the average game is between 1500 and 2000 points, then you're looking a more than $600 to get in. Again, this is comparable to what I built my last 40k army for from 'ground up'. Obviously 40k armies aren't all tanks, but mech or MC armies have the smallest model count and inf-heavy lists tend to have a higher price tag. And sure, you can find 'deals' by buying battle boxes or whatever, but then you have waste on garbage units or bad lists. Online or store discounts are nonfactors because they'd apply to both product lines.

Just go through the Cryx book and price out every model and every max unit and solo, allowing for several units of Bane Thralls and you will quickly come to a tidy sum! If you just want to play a minimum army and only have that then yes it is cheaper but collecting and having a minimum are complete opposites!

But then that's comparing apples to oranges. What you have then is the WM equivalent to a 5,000-10,000 point 40k army--something far larger than what one would expect to be used in conventional play.

So yes, absolutely, I could easily see you having spent $700-$1,000 on the Cryx model line, but if you set out to do the same thing in 40k (fill every unit/FOC) the price tag would still be upwards of $1500 and in the case of certain model-intensive armies like IG, I can realistically see that pushing $3,000+.

Lol I keep coming upon this argument at my local gaming store. WM and Hordes may be cheaper to start, but so far in a small army I've only seen 4-6 models. Whereas in WHFB or even 40k (I hate 40k lol), for a 1500pt batte you see about 4-6 regiments of units with sometimes up to 30 troops in them.

So points wise I can see how WM and Hordes in cheaper, but sheer amount of models GW wins every time.

Also metal models suck so bad to build haha.

Having said that, I am leaning towards Skorne lol, but again, they will be a side project while I wait for the new HE to come out lol.

Skorne are a pretty solid faction. They're a bit like Warriors of Chaos, very hitty.

Your tactics may somewhat depend on your chosen Warlock, but other than that, what's been suggested stands. Skorne are powerful in melee and their infantry sport heavy armor and discipline. They can also use the souls of friends/enemies to further augment their abilities. As stated, Battlecollege will be a world of help.

Best of luck to ya.

Thank you I like the look of the chick with two samurai swords, I'm not sure of her name though.. Lol.

On a 35 point game I usually field over 40 models. On a 50 point it is about 60. There are a number of 40k armies that do not field more models than this at 1500 and 2000 points! Of course some armies can easily field twice that but they move as a block, shoot as a block and assault the same way. Not much different from moving one figure but rolling a lot more dice.

To get to the level where players are fielding a hundred or more models requires a multi-caster game usually. This does require more time but comes closer to most 40k battles in numbers of models used. WFB is a totally different animal and is really the next level up from skirmish games in scale, although the total number of units is not that much different from 40k and WM. I recently watched a 2000 point game where the larger army fielded 16 different units, including blocks of infantry, guns and individual heroes. My Tau army seldom gets above 13 units up to 2000 points. WM/Hordes can easily field that number of separately activated units at 50 points. It really boils down to how many models represent a unit.

I like to have options and I have at least one of every Tau unit available. This is also true for Cryx. The problem is that the range of models for a WM faction is far greater than the range for Tau for example. Perhaps IG can match it but most 40k and WFB armies do not. So as I said, I have spent far more on my Cryx army then I have on my Tau army. I am surprised that you do not know other WM/Hordes players who have large armies for the factions they collect. There are a large number of players at my club that have many of the factions and models. Once you get sucked in it can be as bad as 40k and WFB in cost as far as I can see.

kastellan wrote:Thank you I like the look of the chick with two samurai swords, I'm not sure of her name though.. Lol.

Ahh, Makeda? She's definitely fun, though I haven't tried her myself (I don't play Skorne =P)

Lol that might be her. She looks pretty bad ass haha.

kastellan wrote:Also metal models suck so bad to build haha.

PP metal models are quite nice to put together, especially when compared to gw metals.