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Hi guys, I'm keen to start making a small 13th company space wolves army but i'm not sure on the fluff that goes along with it, can anyone point me in the direction of someone who's made one and games with it? or just give me all your useful information which i'm sure is just bursting to get out of you and help me out!


thanks in advance guys
Nerdfest09

http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Space_Wolves_13th_Company

Hope that helps. If your thinking about making your wolves part of the 13th company, they'll all most likely be grey hunter rank or higher and they're armor would most likely be from the pre-heresy times.

yes I'm thinking using the mk3 armour from forge world anf the werewolf heads from maxmini! :-)

That sounds pretty good id uses some green stuff make it look like the armor is broken and fur is coming out. since after all they are all wulfen

You can also use wulfen as troops with D3 attacks per roll. You can get wulfen models on ebay. If you can't find 13th company models you can buy regular space wolves and paint them pre hersey gray.

nerdfest09 wrote:yes I'm thinking using the mk3 armour from forge world anf the werewolf heads from maxmini! :-)

Seems like a very expensive way of doing it (would look cool though )

Only one flaw i see - aren't wolfen are supposed to have cannibalised the chaos marines armour and weapons after they killed them to replace there own damaged armour sections ,so there armour is a really random mix-up of old and new , imperial and chaos ???

I wouldn't get the iron armour unless i were using all of it ( to get my money's worth )

p.s.
Max mini werewolf heads are SWEEEEEEEET , I just got some for a buddy of mine they ARE perfect for wolfen

That is a very good point. but according to fluff the should all be wolfen since theyve been in the eye of terror for almost 10000 years. (or something like that) You might be better off just getting werewolves from somewhere and call them grey hunters

Dashyl wrote:That sounds pretty good id uses some green stuff make it look like the armor is broken and fur is coming out. since after all they are all wulfen

Not actually true. 13th Company has a high number of Wulfen, certainly. But they act as a form of linebreaker for what is an army of veterans that has no real heavy equipment/weaponry. The 13th Company has no Terminator armor, no Predators, no Whirlwinds, no Land Speeders, no Land Raiders, etc.

They've got heavy hitting Rune Priests with the ability to rip a tear in space and time, facilitating rapid redeployment; they've got the Wulfen who are vicious berserkers; they've got a Wolf Guard equivalent(wearing Power Armor, since they've got no real technical support to keep Terminator armor repaired, while it's a simple matter for them to replace Power Armor with scavenged bits from the Traitor Astartes they've been busily slaughtering in the Eye of Terror); they've got Bikers to act as a harrying force alongside of the Wulfen; and to finish it all off? Their most basic rank and file troopers are equivalent to Grey Hunters or even Long Fangs, at the very least, simply because of how long they've been in the Warp.

The 13th Company consist of all of the 13th Company's survivors who originally vanished into the Eye of Terror alongside of Leman Russ himself. These are Marines who've been battling the Traitor Astartes on their home turf, since the end of the Horus Heresy. They're going to be hard-hitting veterans, who emphasize moving fast and hitting hard--then getting the hell out of dodge before the counterattack strikes.

Wasn't it said in a book that an imperial guard got ambushed by demons and a bunch of werewolf like creatures came and saved them. I believe it was in Abandon the Despoiler's 13th Black Crusade. Not sure

I remember reading somewhere that the 13th company consisted of only space wolves that expressed the wulfen gene more than other members of their company. So in theory wouldnt all the members of the 13th legion eventually turn into a wulfen? and since its been 10000 years wouldnt they all be wulfen by now?

Don't mean to argue but im just curious now haha

Remember though, time in the eye of terror would not flow like in real space. So even though they have been there for 10 000 years, who knows how long it has been for them.

Dashyl wrote:Wasn't it said in a book that an Imperial Guard unit got ambushed by Chaos Marines and a bunch of werewolf like creatures came and saved them. I believe it was in Abaddon the Despoiler's 13th Black Crusade. Not sure

I remember reading somewhere that the 13th Company consisted of only Space Wolves that expressed the Wulfen gene more than other members of their Company. So in theory wouldn't all the members of the 13th Company eventually turn into a Wulfen? and since its been 10,000 years wouldn't they all be Wulfen by now?

Don't mean to argue but I'm just curious now haha

The Wulfen gene is rare. Even if you were to have an entire Company that was more likely to express it, you'd still have a large number of individuals who wouldn't express it. It's hard to explain, just because I don't have a real background in genetics. Think of it like the chances of an albino to be born into an all-white population. They're already predisposed towards the white pigmentation, but it doesn't mean they'll have a higher likelihood of producing an albino.

The actual story, by the way, was that a Guard unit was holding out inside of the remains of a cathedral during a siege led by some Khornate Berzerkers, and "something that howled like damned souls, and fought like Daemons" butchered the Berzerkers and left no traces behind.

thanks everyone!, good info there, so if I'm to do a small 13th company force how would it's list/organisation look? i take it i'd have a core of Grey slayers, but will my wulfen be used as basically terminators?? or are they just more normal troops that have manifested? does anyone know of a sample list I can work from?

darkangels_rule: yes the heads are sweeeet! I just really want to do them justice when i paint them! so i'll use evrything I learn here to make some nice mini's :-)

I can't think of any real way to use "Wulfen", outside of maybe counts-as Skyclaws(Jump Infantry representing them being incredibly fast).

They dont have to be wulfen they could just be space marines that are turning to wulfen but can still fight like space wolves so theyd just be grey hunters

yeah I was thinking of placing them around and representing those with the mark of the wulfen? I play Bran Redmaw and his company has a higher % of Wulfen affected marines, does this sound o.k?

the only rules GW has made for Wulfen is the 13th Co Appoc formation.


you could use Russ(counts as Logan) with Wulfen(counts as Blood claws) and a bunch of Wolf Guard.

I kinda like to think along the way the 13th company has come by a small fleet;
while traveling the webway they have mastered travel and hiding in it.
they have started to draw recruits from the battles they might be spotted at.
Having only a fleet force; recruits that don't make it are still saved with the special
attention of the 13ths wolf priest adding to wulfen and those making the process
going into the Grey Slayers and then into the the Storm Claws. Have Wolf Guard
able to take one to three heavy weapons ratio due to lack of no Long Fangs.

Well, they do have Long Fangs and can't take new recruits, you know, not having access to the Cup of Wulfen and all...

Grey Templar wrote:the only rules GW has made for Wulfen is the 13th Co Appoc formation.


you could use Russ(counts as Logan) with Wulfen(counts as Blood claws) and a bunch of Wolf Guard.

This is not true.

The 13th Company had a full army list in 3rd edition; part of the 13th Black Crusade(eye of terror campaign codex)

the EoT Codex had the rules for Traitor Guard(Plague Zombie squads, Mutant Squads, and just good old traitor guard platoons), Eldar Ulthwe Strike Force (Eldrad plus his "seer Council" which was several farseers and warlocks, Black guardian squads both storm and regular, limit of 1 aspect warrior squad excepting dark reapers of which you could take several in addition), and the 13th Co(Badass rune priests, grey slayers which were eliteish grey hunters, wulfen packs with similar rules to the current mark of the wulfen, grey slayer bikers, and I think they had Long fang equivalents).

All 13th Company members suffer from the curse of the wulfen, but due to The Warp, it comes and goes. When the Curse manifests itself the now/currently wulfen members of the company band together into packs.

The rune priests of the 13th company had access to a psychic power very similar to the vanilla marine Gate of infinity excepting that it did not have any risk of losing squad members.

I think I might(I said Might) write up a 13th company army list from what I can remember(long since lost the codex) and post it into the proposed rules.

I have it, I wonder if it's OOP and the specific pages can be scanned and posted.

It's out of print, but that doesn't mean you can scan and post. Copyrights still apply.

I was simply putting some fluff out there, I for one don't like the current fluff
because with no new recruits the 13th would be eldar in power armor they are seen in
plenty of battles through out the eye of terror so they are there to help someone; and surely
they had "fallen" comrades that would make good wulfen. as far as cup of the wulfen you could make up anything
i don't know maybe after Russ left fenris they all meet up shared some stories and talked about
up coming dilemmas the company might face and possible insight from their primarch or maybe he
leads them to this day who knows. maybe because they lack "CUP OF THE WULFEN" that they have
come up with another way one in which they can make only wulfen and those older marines that are triple OG's
make up the ranks of grey slayers and storm claws and because of the lack of senor members that the long fangs
might have suffered and instead simply make the wolf guard able to take more heavy weapons instead.

this way the only change to the rules is instead of long fangs a whole unit of heavy you can take heavy weapons at a rate of 1 per 3 wolf guard
and I can't see to many opponents not agreeing to this and if they don't just have the models to ready for your long fangs.

Think Green Berets a highly special group that goes into the enemies territory and trains the locals for guerrilla warfare.
instead the 13th use their geneseed and make more wulfen to help them. Your telling me that after a couple thousand
years they haven't come up with something I dont think so not my 13th.

I do know all the stories too I have all the codexes and books and ect. this is simply my reality that I accept


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the eye of terror codex list
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wolf lord
rune priest
wolf priest

Elites
Wulfen
Storm Claws

Troops
Grey Slayers

Fast Attack

Fenrisian Wolves
Storm Claws Bikers

Heavy Support
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Just thought about using some Iron Hand SM squad parts the ones that are with the bionics to add the aged look to the 13th

Wouldnt the copy right only be in effect if hes trying to sell it? if you do post the codex pages that would def be something id be interested in looking at.

GW is doing it with the two codexes on the web site so i think they might be inclined towards it
it only adds to people buying more models to make into wulfen and those heads from maxmini are
awesome.

Didn't know they did that for the 13th

it probably has the same status as the kroot Dex.

I would like to see it sounds cool.

I was thinking of writing rules for Wulfen, but looks like i got beaten.

Here is my projected army build this is going to give me flexibility to tailor it it will take me up to just under 3k for Apocalypse but we dont have the units for that anyway


HQ’s
Wulfen Lord Runic Armour + 20 Mark +15 Saga Warrior +35 170
Wolf Priest Runic Armour +20 BeastSlayer +10 130
Rune Priest Master of Runes +50 Runic Armour +20 add saga 170
470

Elites per model squad size wolf guard min max
Storm Claws 21 6-10 +10 126 220 take two squads for 440

Troops
Wulfen 24 5-15 N/A 120 360 take two of 15 for 720 points

Fast Attack
Storm Claws Biker 36 3-5 +10 108 190 take two at 380

Heavy Support
Long Fangs 18* 2-4 +36 152 188 take three 564 15

*+20 for missile launchers
Total 2574 78 models

Grey Templar wrote:Didn't know they did that for the 13th

it probably has the same status as the kroot Dex.

I would like to see it sounds cool.

I was thinking of writing rules for Wulfen, but looks like i got beaten.

It was an official Codex(in print and everything)

but is was also of limited playability(only for 3rd edition, and then didn't come out until very late third edition) If you do a Search on google for Codex eye of terror you can still find copies for sale(fairly cheap)

i'll have to tell my SW friend about this.

another guy here uses the Kroot dex all the time so the SW guy would be able to use a Wulfen dex.

Dashyl wrote:Wouldn't the copyright only be in effect if hes trying to sell it? if you do post the codex pages that would def be something I'd be interested in looking at.

Copyright has nothing to do with if you're trying to profit or not. If you don't own the actual copyright or have permission to post it...it's not allowable.

i'm back with another wolfy question, my main aim here is to be able to paint up some very nice models and ahve them in my SW army, i'm not a huge fan of vehicles so the 13th company suited my idea, but seeing as with 5th edition you can't really field a 13th army could I perhaps use a squad of my wilfen painted mini's and have them count as a squad of thunderwolf cavalry? how could I justify this? bigger bases?