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http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=270046

I am posting this in hopes that people stop writing codecii and codecies which are totally made up words.

Yeah! I always write "codices" so...pat for me.

I got as far as the first line... and stopped there, because he got it wrong.

I've seen time and time again people wrestling with the Pseduolatin in 40k. What is the plural of 'codex' (it's Codices...

So far as GW are concerned (and it's their made-up pseudo-latin, afterall) the plural is 'codexes'.

We're not talking about Latin here. The 'not-Latin' in 40K is a representation of High Gothic, a made-up language 40000 years in the future.

I'm glad that my use of the term "codexes" has finally been vindicated.

And so the great sages made their proclamations.

And the masses didn't care.

(neither do I)

Codexen.

Let the true plural travel forth into common usage.

I laugh every time I see "carnifexen."

I don't know why.

Codpieces...?

Whoops!

insaniak wrote:So far as GW are concerned (and it's their made-up pseudo-latin, afterall) the plural is 'codexes'.

We're not talking about Latin here. The 'not-Latin' in 40K is a representation of High Gothic, a made-up language 40000 years in the future.

It's Codices. Remember these guys use "Dice" for the singular form of dice, they're not grammar experts

Not all of it is Psudo-Latin they do occasionally use real Latin like Aquilla (eagle), Carnifex (executioner) and Codex (book) in this case.

n0t_u wrote:It's Codices. Remember these guys use "Dice" for the singular form of dice, they're not grammar experts

'Dice' is the more common usage these days. They're both correct, according to the Oxford Dictionary:

Oxford Online Dictionary wrote:dice
Pronunciation:/dʌɪs/
noun
(plural same)
1 a small cube with each side having a different number of spots on it, ranging from one to six, thrown and used in gambling and other games involving chance. See also die

n0t_u wrote:Not all of it is Psudo-Latin they do occasionally use real Latin like Aquilla (eagle), Carnifex (executioner) and Codex (book) in this case.

The fact that they use some actual Latin words doesn't make the language Latin, nor does it mean that the fictional High Gothic adheres to Latin language rules.

Again, it's a made-up language based on Latin. They can make their plurals work however they please.

n0t_u wrote:

insaniak wrote:So far as GW are concerned (and it's their made-up pseudo-latin, afterall) the plural is 'codexes'.

We're not talking about Latin here. The 'not-Latin' in 40K is a representation of High Gothic, a made-up language 40000 years in the future.

It's Codices. Remember these guys use "Dice" for the singular form of dice, they're not grammar experts

Not all of it is Psudo-Latin they do occasionally use real Latin like Aquilla (eagle), Carnifex (executioner) and Codex (book) in this case.

What I'm gathering is - GW has said it is spelt 'Codexes'. Therefore, given it's their damn product, that is - in fact - the plural of the work Codex - wait for it - when it pertains to a GW product. Because we've all been really dumb for years and not realised that it wasn't the latin 'Codex' it was the WHFB/40K 'Codecks'.

You may want to tell them their wrong if it really bothers you, they're not ravaging a live language after all, just a dead one, slightly more disturbing but hey - no language is being harmed in the production of these Codex.

ChrisCP wrote:

n0t_u wrote:

insaniak wrote:So far as GW are concerned (and it's their made-up pseudo-latin, afterall) the plural is 'codexes'.

We're not talking about Latin here. The 'not-Latin' in 40K is a representation of High Gothic, a made-up language 40000 years in the future.

It's Codices. Remember these guys use "Dice" for the singular form of dice, they're not grammar experts

Not all of it is Psudo-Latin they do occasionally use real Latin like Aquilla (eagle), Carnifex (executioner) and Codex (book) in this case.

What I'm gathering is - GW has said it is spelt 'Codexes'. Therefore, given it's their damn product, that is - in fact - the plural of the work Codex - wait for it - when it pertains to a GW product. Because we've all been really dumb for years and not realised that it wasn't the latin 'Codex' it was the WHFB/40K 'Codecks'.

You may want to tell them their wrong if it really bothers you, they're not ravaging a live language after all, just a dead one, slightly more disturbing but hey - no language is being harmed in the production of these Codex.

I wouldn't bother making much of a fuss about it anyway. I will continue to write it in terms of Latin (not because some company grabbed the word, mispelt it and hid behind the guise of creativity). To me it's like the "they're, there and their" problem. One is right, in the correct context, and it only annoys you if you let it. But, there's really no point in being bothered by something so trivial. I merely came into the thread to help out by sharing my knowledge.

@Insaniak: When did dice become the common usage? I wasn't aware of it. I've always just used "die".

It's their language with some latin roots. They can spell or phrase anything however they want. They don't have to constrain to any grammatical guidelines except their own.

@n0t_u: Yeah My current pet hate is; get,got and their bastard children.

n0t_u wrote:@Insaniak: When did dice become the common usage?

Sometime in the '90s, from my experience...

Don't you mean, the nineties...?

insaniak wrote:

n0t_u wrote:@Insaniak: When did dice become the common usage?

Sometime in the 90's, from my experience...

Seems kind of an odd decision, like they gave up on it or something

Jihadnik wrote:Don't you mean, the nineties...?

No. Using digits instead of spelling it out is acceptable practice for describing decades in a casual context.

That, and I personally don't see the point in spelling out numbers. Seems to kind of defy the point of having symbols to represent them in the first place.

insaniak wrote:

n0t_u wrote:@Insaniak: When did dice become the common usage?

Sometime in the '90s, from my experience...

Mmm, I remember it in primary school it as a hotly debated matter~!

Tremendous.

I'm still going to say codices, because that's what I've always said.

I failed out of Latin, so I like the fact that I can speak High Gothic the same way I speak Spanish, by adding bs suffixes.

In the grim future of this world, the upper class speaks a form of Latin as used by British school drop outs from the 80s

They had this discussion on Bolter and Chainsword. They got worked up about it. I didn't really see why.
It's a dead language, plus High Gothic isn't really Latin at all, it just uses certain words from it in order to give a Roman flavour to the Imperium. Mm-mm, Roman flavour.

Anyone who speaks an ounce of Latin will find numerous examples of "incorrect grammar" in High Gothic. Ferrus Manus springs readily to mind.

Then, hopefully, anyone with any sense will realize that GW made up a language, based some (not all) of the words on existing Latin vocabulary, and came up with their own grammar. The plural of "codex" in Latin is "codices." The plural of "codex" in High Gothic is "codexes."

I will personally continue to say codices, since it's hard-wired into my brain to pluralize "codex" in such a way, but that doesn't mean anyone who says "codexes" is any less correct, as long as they're talking about GW products or books within the 40k universe.

The guy in the thread actually says that codexes is fine.

My real reason for linking it is the people who write codecii and codecies, it just bothers the hell out of me to see people write made up words. These people are everywhere.

To be fair, those people also write Rouge Trader and Death Korps of Kreig, so they misspell in any language

Kroothawk wrote:To be fair, those people also write Rouge Trader and Death Korps of Kreig, so they misspell in any language

Let us not forget the infamous "penile legion."

Yeah, it always bothers me that people confuse Rogue and Rouge. They don't look similar at all, yes, they have the same letters but unless you're dyslexic you shouldn't confuse them (if you're dyslexic, you have an excuse, you can't help that).

Codexes is a perfectly valid English plural for codex. Using the regular plural formation will generally make you look less stupid than trying to use legacy formations that you don't understand. Octopi, octopii, virii, penii, I'm looking at you. The plurals are octopuses, viruses, and penises. Virus comes from Latin but doesn't have a plural in that language and the word penis pluralizes to penes in Latin. Octopus comes to us from Greek, where the plural is octopodes. The creative plurals are gaining recognition, but that's from common usage rather than weight of history.

You can also say maximums and minimums instead of maxima and minima, and forums instead of fora.

Of course if you're intentionally using dog latin like they do for High Gothic entirely different rules apply.

If someone is incapabable of using "legacy" terms like geese for plural goose, or cacti instead of cactus, then I question their intelligence (if they have a learning disability it makes sense, but most people don't have that excuse)

this is a real problem isn't that people are writing these words wrong.. it's that people care.

I mean, if you misspell english, sure.

if you misspell latin [as firstly this isn't latin] it's not a problem.

It's a DEAD language. noone speaks it solely. so, don't EXPECT people to fully understand the intricacies of the language. god.

it's also important to remember, if we're going to go down this road... I own a bible, thats my codex.

Bible - book. it's come to have special meaning.
codex - readings or manual. ergo, book.

the whole concept of codex in 40k comes from the imperium. really, most of the others should just be 'da manual of da greenskinz.' and 'screee screee screee screee necron' and '[insert some whymsical term here] of khaine'