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Yeah, my 'dream' list costs me exactly 3001 points.

I know in a larger game or a friendly, this doesn't matter, but what about in a bigger tournament?

does it matter all that much?

Id say for tounaments yes.
Drop a 5 or 3 point upgrade (I'd imagine theres a few in the list)

Obviously, the usual caveat about it depending on the tournament would apply.

In general, though, tournies make you stick to the points limit.

I also would recommend not taking it for granted that opponents in friendly games won't have a problem with you ignoring the points limit.

It's called a 'limit' for a reason. If you're going to argue that 1 point or three doesn't matter that much, there should be nothing stopping you from removing it...

Yes it matters. You can not be one point over. Now in a friendly I personally wouldn't care, but I have never seen it allowed, even at small local tournament.

I'm not saying it doesn't matter I was asking.

fair enough, and @ del, there are things I can get rid of, it's not that much of a problem.

@ damn you, 3 pt storm bolters!

For touneys it very much matters(unless the TO does allow for a 1-3 point window)

It is after all a Point Limit; and i for one would not seriously argue getting a Speeding ticket for going 1 MPH over the Limit(any argument other than possibly a faulty speedometer would not only get you laughed out of court but would also be an admission of guilt). I know that police VERY rarely give out a ticket(or even stop a motorist to begin with) for going 1 MPH over the limit but it is well within their right to do so. there has however been at least 1 case i know of where it has happened and the defendant got stuck with the fine as his argument entailed that he "was only going 1 MPH over" and the judge advised him that was an admission of guilt, and that the fine would be levied.


Boy that went tangential.

Captain Solon wrote:Yeah, my 'dream' list costs me exactly 3001 points.

I know in a larger game or a friendly, this doesn't matter

I disagree. It does matter. I say; "Stick to the point-limit agreed upon".

Of course you can agree to play a 3001 point battle with your opponent, but if you have agreed on 3000 and your opponent complains about you going over, he is not being unreasonable.

Could you possibly post your 'dream list'?

it doesn't matter. I actually found quite a few miscalculations in my list my razorbacks w/ lacannons were 90 points... lol

so, my points went down tremendously, and I even managed to fit in another complete squad.

haha wow..... measure twice cut once

If we agree to a 3000 point game, then the maximum points either of us can take is 3000. Its a very simple concept that a lot of people have trouble with. 3001 is a 3001 point list, not 3000.

How much does it matter? In a friendly game I'll tell them that I'd prefer to keep to the limit, but I'm not going to put out more than a single sentence of opposition - its not worth the effort.

If its a tournament then you better believe you have to stick to the point limit. I'll raise hell about that.

Captain Solon wrote:it doesn't matter. I actually found quite a few miscalculations in my list my razorbacks w/ lacannons were 90 points... lol

so, my points went down tremendously, and I even managed to fit in another complete squad.

Behold! The future leaders of our planet.

Do they not teach arithmetic at school anymore?


1 point over or 100 points over. No difference. I don't know of any tourneys that would let it slide.

White Dwarf used to spit out '1501' point lists and the like... but fortunately no one takes the official publication seriously. The one that springs to mind involved Jervis anyway.

Tourneys are usually pretty srtict, but in friendly games, I allow 1 point over.

For tournies that's a no-go. For friendlies it depends.

My regulars are usually okay with it for me since I take units as they are and everything is 110% WYSIWYG right down to squad types and numbers marked on the transports. That means I can't just drop a meltabomb or something to pull under the limit. (and they know that I'm often 10-40 points under for the same reason)

Personally, I'd always stick to the limit. Don't care if my opponent does, but if they are 5 points over and have a 5 point upgrade anywhere that they could remove they probably should.

Just you and me, playing locally, I could care less. Show up at a 2K tourney tho and it's an illegal list. I have never seen a tounrament that allowed you to fudge the points.

Friendly sure.
Tourney, prob. not.

Personally, I will never knowingly go over.
For me, that 1 point could mean the difference between including a Land Raider or not. It's a no-no for me, and I'm strict on myself.

the reason your one point over is do to say a iron halo you wanted to take which wont slide in tournies

Me personally and in my normal play group I'd have to say balking at a 1-3 point discrepency would be a TFG sort of thing.

Now before the inquisition gets a hold of me let me give you a good reason why this is. When we play friendly games were usually trying out different lists with configurations we're not sure about, or even using new untested armies all together. Our freindly games are test drives for the units we're trying out and as such trimming a unit down doesn't show us how that unit performs and won't tell us if that unit would work well in our "ideal" lists.

Now if I'm in a tourny then darned right I'm sticking to the limit, and as well if my play group wanted to do a tourny or a campaign than I would say stick to the limit too.

chromedog wrote:Behold! The future leaders of our planet.

Do they not teach arithmetic at school anymore?

That was unnecessary. I doubt there would be too many people out there who haven't added their list up incorrectly at least once.

My feelings seem to be inline with most everyone else. For fun games 1pt is no big deal but its a no go for tournaments.

"It's only one point" goes both ways.
If it is so negligible as to not matter, then get rid of it and use only up to the number agreed upon.

As per the general consensus, if not a bad idea on principle, there are not going to be many serious games (tournament or no...) where people will take kindly to it.

As an alternative what I would suggest is planning your lists in accordance with the standard points cap, and having the option present a slightly different pre-made list (on paper, you didn't just tailor on the fly kind of thing). That could in itself present some problems, and I would think it a silly way to go about gaming in general. On the other hand, I have definitely been 1-3 points over on a list because of the entire concept, which is not a good reason either.

Doing it because you want an extra HB is meh, but I totally understand if you had a really cool idea, and you are no less than limited to lacking one specific model/expensive upgrade, and you go into the game 10 points under or some such thing. You are basically forced to rework your entire list, and even if it sucks, it is good to avoid the confusion in the first place.

I play friendly games with a 3-5 (extra) point limit, and I am not usually concerned about doubling that number in certain games, for a cool list of course.

I don't want to force a friendly game into a one sided game if I don't have to.

Where I game we have a house rule you can always go over by up to four points. People absolutely love it.

Captain Solon wrote:Yeah, my 'dream' list costs me exactly 3001 points.

I know in a larger game or a friendly, this doesn't matter, but what about in a bigger tournament?

does it matter all that much?

Talk to the TO, thread answered.

Never over. Always under.

You can *ALWAYS* remove a piece of wargear... there is no valid reason to ask your opponent to 'let it slide' when you should just remove a piece of wargear.

zeshin wrote:Me personally and in my normal play group I'd have to say balking at a 1-3 point discrepency would be a TFG sort of thing.

Now before the inquisition gets a hold of me let me give you a good reason why this is. When we play friendly games were usually trying out different lists with configurations we're not sure about, or even using new untested armies all together. Our freindly games are test drives for the units we're trying out and as such trimming a unit down doesn't show us how that unit performs and won't tell us if that unit would work well in our "ideal" lists.

Now if I'm in a tourny then darned right I'm sticking to the limit, and as well if my play group wanted to do a tourny or a campaign than I would say stick to the limit too.

This seems like a bad idea to me, not because of a TFG situation, but because you are learning to use a list incorrectly. Then, if you liked it, and want to use it in a tourney or some such, you are used to using the list that is a friendly amount over, and don't know where to make the cuts for the points, where if you used the army at the correct total, you would have already made the point cuts, and tried it out.

This makes me wonder why more people do not simply skip the middle man and ask their opponent to play (for example) 3001 point games.

The idea of a house rule to do bad math sounds silly--just agree to play a different point value. There is no rule saying lists must be made in multiples of 10(0).

If you agree to use a list of 2000 points or less, show up with a list of 2000 points or less.

/shrug

Learning to play with 1-3pts over does not necessarily make it an incorrect way to learn to use a list.

Sometimes its just to see how a particular unit performs with a certain upgrade. Just because an adjustment to a list makes it go over doesn't mean that it will hurt the learning experience as long as there is a clear understanding within the group of players.

But if there is a 1-5 pt upgrade that could be putting you over (like DH targeters), just get rid of it to see if you can live without it.

Taking that 1-3pt over list more than once is a little bit devious though