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I am a bit new to the warhammer 40k universe and I have a question about the type of annunition the ork shootas and sluggas fire,do they shoot bolter rounds (those .75 caliber RPG`s that will make your buddy into gorund beef in 3.467 seconds) ,stubber rounds,or do the orks manufacture thier own ammunation? just wondering because i would think they fire all of the above,sounds orky.

I'm pretty sure they manufacture there ammo, outa bits they found on the floor...

They fire solid slugs, or at least they are described as mostly doing so. In general, the reason they have almost the same statline as a bolter is because of the ungodly calibre of most ork bullets.
Generally, these are either manufactured in mekshops or stolen from somebody.

There is\was a bit of "official" cannon floating around in (2nd ed? where all of the best fluff started IMO) that said that Slugga's\Shoota's only worked because the Orks believed that they would. It painted the entire race as hands down the most powerful psykers in the galaxy but said they were too dumb & disorganized to use their power. I think it went on to say that ammo wasn't a real issue but if the Ork believed he needed to reload that he would need to drop a rock into it or switch out what he thought to be the magazine before it would shoot again. I personally love this bit of fluff and no matter what the BL says I'm subscribing to it, if GW wants to change things it would have to be funnier then this.

They make their own or use other people's stuff, as long as it shoots.

in big waaaghs! they enslave whole planet to make ammo or they demand shootas to not attack you so some of those shootas are made by the imperium

ComputerGeek01 wrote:There is\was a bit of "official" cannon floating around in (2nd ed? where all of the best fluff started IMO) that said that Slugga's\Shoota's only worked because the Orks believed that they would. It painted the entire race as hands down the most powerful psykers in the galaxy but said they were too dumb & disorganized to use their power. I think it went on to say that ammo wasn't a real issue but if the Ork believed he needed to reload that he would need to drop a rock into it or switch out what he thought to be the magazine before it would shoot again. I personally love this bit of fluff and no matter what the BL says I'm subscribing to it, if GW wants to change things it would have to be funnier then this.

Exactly why there vehicles go faster, they just think they do and so it is. In fact as they were created by another race there were no ork gods, at least until the orks thought there were and again so it is.

Don't forget that rockets painted yellow make a bigger boom.

I seem to recall that in RT they actually did use bolters. But I don't have it on me, so I can't check.

Yes, in RT, they did use bolters.
Orks used the same bolter stats as SM and guard.

And eldar used lascannons (brightlances didn't exist until 1990 and even then, they were pretty much restricted to exarch and perhaps warlocks/farseers).

A shoota is just a slugga too large for an Ork to hold in one hand. A slugga is just a powerful pistol that makes a lot of noise and does a lot of damage, just like an Ork likes it. And it has to be sturdy enough to use as a club.

Melissia wrote:A shoota is just a slugga too large for an Ork to hold in one hand. A slugga is just a powerful pistol that makes a lot of noise and does a lot of damage, just like an Ork likes it. And it has to be sturdy enough to use as a club.

I always thought sluggas were like Uzi's since Orks have bad aim it would make more sense to have Fully-automatic weapons.

I imagine some are. But keep in mind that Orks do not use standardized weapons. A shoota is one of an insanely wide variety of weapons with a similar effect.

They pretty much fire whatever fits in the chamber. Because of their innate psychic abilities, if it can fit, it will fire, and it'll probably penetrate too.

...now if only they could actually hit something... shame innate psychic powers don't help that...

What if they thought they were uber marksmen?

Bullets curve!

People make way too big a deal about Orks being psychic.

Remember, humans can use shootaz, with or without Orks around.

Same with other Ork technology, like their trukks and bikes.

Although no human woulud WANT to ride them.

Melissia wrote:I imagine some are. But keep in mind that Orks do not use standardized weapons. A shoota is one of an insanely wide variety of weapons with a similar effect.

Sounds about right.

As said before, its pretty much anything that will fit in the barrel.

Also, no Ork weapons are rifled, so an Ork could easily just stuff a rock down his barrel and have almost the same accuracy as if he had a manufactured slug.

I read somewhere that humans could NOT use ork technology. I wish I could remember where though... I wanna say it was in the same place the mention of them all being wacky psychics.

Ork psychic powers work to an extent. For example, Ork vehicles don't just work cause the orks think they should. There has to be an engine, fuel, axles, wheel, and so on. However, the ork psychic powers stop it from breaking down every five minutes.

I think that they're probably produced from bits of junk, found everywhere. Ork weapons are so robust, that they could fire about anything. As for production, no doubt the Grots and Snotlings make the slugs.

Leonus wrote:I read somewhere that humans could NOT use ork technology. I wish I could remember where though... I wanna say it was in the same place the mention of them all being wacky psychics.

Probably, they're probably both horribly outdated.

More recent fluff, such as the Ciaphas Cain books, Dark Heresy, and a couple Marine books (I recall hearing about one where Marines were forced to use Ork equipment) contradict this rather clearly.

Melissia wrote:

Leonus wrote:I read somewhere that humans could NOT use ork technology. I wish I could remember where though... I wanna say it was in the same place the mention of them all being wacky psychics.

Probably, they're probably both horribly outdated.

More recent fluff, such as the Ciaphas Cain books, Dark Heresy, and a couple Marine books (I recall hearing about one where Marines were forced to use Ork equipment) contradict this rather clearly.

Thats the problem with those extra books, I don't read them and don't care about them which makes arguing about the fluff from them hard. The fluff I know is only from the codex, and in the codex (might not have been this editions) it does say that if a human were to pick up an ork weapon it has a high probability of not working, sometimes though the mek will get lucky and make something that actually does work, which could help explain those stories in those books you have, maybe that mek could get something done. Were is the bit explaining how yellow rokkits explode bigger, if I had known that then all my rokkits would be yellow instead of red (red rokkits go faster too you know)

Or maybe you're jsut reading outdated fluff which is irrelevant in fifth edition.

Thats the funny thing about this game and it's fluff, it's whatever you want it to be really, I'm not going to argue weither something is outdated or not, or right or not as I guarantee without even reading the books there is going to be some contradictory information. If you want to go full nerdage on this have fun I only presented a plosable explanation to pieces of contrary information, hoping to have an intelligent conversation and work out some of the obvious kinks that have been presented. I don't want to get into a treky esq argument, but you can...

yournamehere wrote: I only presented a plosable explanation

Based off of outdated information. Don't give me this "nerdrage" crap, as it has nothing to do with that. Rather, if you want to discuss the background of 40k, in a forum entiteld "40k Background" which is designed specifically for talking about 40k's background, try actually reading up on 40k's background. There's a lot of old, silly stuff that is no longer canon. Ork equipment being completely unusable by anyone other than Orks is one of them.

Melissia wrote:Or maybe you're jsut reading outdated fluff which is irrelevant in fifth edition.

Or maybe it says it in the 5th edition Ork codex that humans cant figure out how the ork technology works, and that any attempts to use said technology dont work because the orks think their technology only works for them. Orks think things do certain things better if they are red/ yellow/ louder, and so it dose. (I cant quote the Ork codex, but I can paraphrase, as I sold it to a friend starting out 40k)

Happygrunt wrote:Or maybe it says it in the 5th edition Ork codex

... except that there is no fifth edition Ork codex. The last Ork codex was released in 2008, shortly before fifth edition.

And that one-- the fourth edition one-- doesn't say that.

Melissia wrote:

Happygrunt wrote:Or maybe it says it in the 5th edition Ork codex

... except that there is no fifth edition Ork codex. The last Ork codex was released in 2008, shortly before fifth edition.

And that one-- the fourth edition one-- doesn't say that.

Sorry, around my parts we count that as 5th edition because it was written hand in hand with 5th in mind. And I know for a fact it dose say that, but as I said I cant provide a page number, and I dont want another flame war on dakka, I will concede the point to you Melissia. Good day.

No, the closest thing to your argument in the fourth edition codex is a quote by Genetor Lukas Anzion, who states "I theorize many [notice he does not say all] Ork inventions work because Orks themselves think they should work".

Not an unbiased source by any means, considering that it is a Techpriest of Mars, whom believes that human technology is the only truely pure technology.

Compare that to Dark Heresy which merely has Ork equipment more reliable in Ork hands-- but it's still no less reliable than many human inventions even outside of Ork hands. Merely that in an Ork's hands, a shoota is as reliable as a lasgun. Their mega armor works in a similar way, though really no human can actually fit in it so it's not as if that's easy to test out.