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Right know im watching a documentary about Nazi america. They are explaining how they twisted free speech tto there own ideals. For some reason i find it hard to believe these people and others like them with extreme ideals are protected under free speech. And THERE ARE PEOPLE OUT THERE WHO DEFEND THIS RIGHT(like the aclu). Yet we let them march and spread there hate. Can someone please explain this to me. Why do we let people who spew idiocracy as news(im looking at you fox)

No matter how wrong they are, they have the right to be so. Amurrca.

Yea its annoying but its their right. They might look incredibly stupid, and be the antagonizers in the extreme but they have just as mucha right to say those things as you do to say it against them.

Honestly, if you want to take that right away from one group, then youd have to take it from all groups. Itll affect everyone if we start doing that

The same rights that protect their free speech, also protect yours. They are allowed to be "wrong" and you are allowed to disagree with them (and say so). The only other alternative would be to let the government censor our speech which I believe is greater of the two evils.

I can't remember where I heard/read it garret, but the quote "hatred is it's own worst enemy" comes to mind.

By letting these people express their views, the majority are reminded just how many sick, twisted people there are in the world, and how it's important to spread lessons of tolerance on to future generations. In a way, by being allowed to spout their ideals, these extremist and racist groups are shooting themselves in the foot.

Better to let them speak and let us know who the idiots are than for them to go underground.

Ahtman wrote:Better to let them speak and let us know who the idiots are than for them to go underground.

Damn, you beat me to it.

I like to have my crazy people right out in the open where I can keep my eye on them.

While it is somewhat annoying that they have the right to say this crap, just remember: It's your sacred right to call them idiots.

If this kind of thing bothers you then you don't really understand the word freedom.

I may disagree with you have to say but I will happily give my life protecting your right to say it.

Living in a free society means it will be legal for someone to do something that you disagree with.

ie, be a Yankees fan.

These people are a very small minority, and not worth worrying about.

Honestly, I'm more worried about the people going after them. I've watched a few shows on them, and there's organizations like the Souther Poverty Law Center, which are really stretching the laws to take down these organizations.

These Nazi idiots don't matter. We shouldn't do a single scratch of damage to our legal system to punish them for being pitiful idiots. I feel like some of the cases the SPLC prosecuted really set bad precedent for no real benefit.

I recall watching a video of some of them filing into their "clubhouse" which was basically a ratty, 10'x10' shack. They all spit on the Israeli flag, stomped on it, then went in. One by one, just a parade of genetic defficiency, undiagnosed head injuries, and maybe 15 teeth between them. These guys aren't to be hated and persecuted, they're to be pitied or ignored. They're not actually doing anything but sitting around yelling and being sad.

Poor white people don't have access to white privilege?

Well, that throws my worldview out of whack!

dogma wrote:Poor white people don't have access to white privilege?

Well, that throws my worldview out of whack!

If you were double dipping as Gailebraithe I think that they should retire your number and induct you into the Internet Hall of Fame.

As the saying goes: "If the Fourth Reich should ever come to be, Neo-Nazis would be among the first to die".

I find it ironic that inbred morons with no links to the "superior race" that they claim to be building would support the very ideals that would see them executed under the true Nazi party.

Laughing Man wrote:While it is somewhat annoying that they have the right to say this crap, just remember: It's your sacred right to call them idiots.

Not on dakka though, Mattyrm must endure idiots without retorting offensively

*thick Russian accent* In Russia, sometimes free speech really hates you.

DarkAngelHopeful wrote:*thick Russian accent* In Russia, sometimes free speech really hates you.

That joke stopped being funny while I was still in the 9th grade, to be honest.

metallifan wrote:

DarkAngelHopeful wrote:*thick Russian accent* In Russia, sometimes free speech really hates you.

That joke stopped being funny while I was still in the 9th grade, to be honest.

That's odd, because I think it's hilarious!

garret wrote:Right know im watching a documentary about Nazi america. They are explaining how they twisted free speech tto there own ideals. For some reason i find it hard to believe these people and others like them with extreme ideals are protected under free speech. And THERE ARE PEOPLE OUT THERE WHO DEFEND THIS RIGHT(like the aclu). Yet we let them march and spread there hate. Can someone please explain this to me. Why do we let people who spew idiocracy as news(im looking at you fox)

Yeah, there are a lot of people out there who defend their right to it. I'm one of them. Been doing it for 9 years, from all around the world. DarkAngelHopeful is anothe one. As is the million or so other service members in our country.

I really love how you try to bash the ACLU, and Fox News in the same post. Really shows to me that your more about limiting peoples freedom of speech, then anything else.

"one hand gives, the other takes...." its a phrase that explain it well....


Idiots that make abuse of his "Free Speech" right just deserves our "ignore" right...

More on topic. I do believe in protecting the freedom of speech. I also like Fox news and sometimes I even like CNN (I know, crazy right? It's almost up there with 'not crossing the streams' I'm looking at you Ghost Busters). While I believe in freedom of speech, I still don't appreciate when people burn the US flag. However, as djones520 pointed out, him and I and millions of others are protecting that right.

DarkAngelHopeful wrote:More on topic. I do believe in protecting the freedom of speech. I also like Fox news and sometimes I even like CNN (I know, crazy right? It's almost up there with 'not crossing the streams' I'm looking at you Ghost Busters). While I believe in freedom of speech, I still don't appreciate when people burn the US flag. However, as djones520 pointed out, him and I and millions of others are protecting that right.

Here in Spain happens the same, supposedly here is a felony, with a good amount as a fine, but police authorities don't take care about that..... shame...

Black Corsair wrote:

DarkAngelHopeful wrote:More on topic. I do believe in protecting the freedom of speech. I also like Fox news and sometimes I even like CNN (I know, crazy right? It's almost up there with 'not crossing the streams' I'm looking at you Ghost Busters). While I believe in freedom of speech, I still don't appreciate when people burn the US flag. However, as djones520 pointed out, him and I and millions of others are protecting that right.

Here in Spain happens the same, supposedly here is a felony, with a good amount as a fine, but police authorities don't take care about that..... shame...

Well here in the US it is perfectly legal. I'd love to do nothing more then punch a divot into the forehead of someone who did it, but it's their right to do it, so I have to respect it.

djones520 wrote:

Black Corsair wrote:

DarkAngelHopeful wrote:More on topic. I do believe in protecting the freedom of speech. I also like Fox news and sometimes I even like CNN (I know, crazy right? It's almost up there with 'not crossing the streams' I'm looking at you Ghost Busters). While I believe in freedom of speech, I still don't appreciate when people burn the US flag. However, as djones520 pointed out, him and I and millions of others are protecting that right.

Here in Spain happens the same, supposedly here is a felony, with a good amount as a fine, but police authorities don't take care about that..... shame...

Well here in the US it is perfectly legal. I'd love to do nothing more then punch a divot into the forehead of someone who did it, but it's their right to do it, so I have to respect it.

Truly? feth... its a bit strange to read that... lot of people (i enclose myself) think about the americans are really patriotic in their own way... that's not a bit..... ironic?

he may well be patriotic, but by defending his right to be patriotic he must also defend that donkey-caves right to burn his countries flag, its a two way thing.

nomsheep wrote:he may well be patriotic, but by defending his right to be patriotic he must also defend that donkey-caves right to burn his countries flag, its a two way thing.

yeah, but, being as they are... i never imagined flag burning was allowed....

thats our liberal media for you, if you listen to the media too closley then all americans teenagers are hot blonde chicks with massive boobs somewhere in their thirties, or they are all fat.

Black Corsair wrote:

nomsheep wrote:he may well be patriotic, but by defending his right to be patriotic he must also defend that donkey-caves right to burn his countries flag, its a two way thing.

yeah, but, being as they are... i never imagined flag burning was allowed....

Many times, Congress and the states have tried to pass laws against it, but every time the Supreme Court ruled them unconstitutional.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_Desecration_Amendment

on topic haters gonna hate

If you stop them saying and burning then they just say it and burn them more. it'll actually bring motre people to their cause than if they are allowed to preach this gak in the street

So you think that people who disagree with you and that you dislike should not have protections on their speech? Does that mean that you're fine with having no protections on your speech if someone disagrees with you or dislikes what you say? Speech that doesn't bug anyone doesn't need protection.